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So in this episode, we're going to be talking about Sat Nav stories.
And so it's only right that our first
guest is Glenn, one of our friends,
who actually this was his idea
for a podcast episode, wasn't it?
Obviously we've, the story
we have and it's quite funny.
Glen over to you.
glenn: Well, firstly, thanks for
inviting me on and giving me the
opportunity to share a couple, a
couple of my experiences, a couple,
yeah, , so I've not driven down a
guided bus wave yet, I have put in
an incorrect postcode and ended up in
the middle of an industrial estate.
But I would like to share
a couple of incidents.
One very recently whilst I was
having a weekend away in Nottingham.
The other one several
years ago back in Cornwall.
So firstly my incident in Nottingham.
So as a driver there is so much to
observe when driving in a major city.
In addition to operating the
vehicle itself, increased traffic,
volume of pedestrians, busways.
One way streets, increased
volume of traffic signs.
They have trams in Nottingham as well.
And the weather, the weather
was appalling when we went.
But with the help of Sat Nav we
managed to locate the hotel and the
multi storey car park relatively easy.
Only for me to take the wrong turn, ending
up in what appeared to be the service
entrance for one of the mainstream shops.
Where the security guard in his high
vis jacket helped me reverse out
back into the main road and redirect
me into the next correct turning.
In the sat nav's defence, it
was probably driver error.
There was a car blocking the
correct entrance and when I
mounted the kerb, I had a feeling
this couldn't be the right way.
But still have the cheek to pull
the window down and ask, was
this the multi storey car park?
I guess the lessons learnt here was
just being extra vigilant, although
sat navs appear to have pinpoint
accuracy, you as a driver will
still need to take responsibility.
I don't know if that's a, a starter,
kev: that's a very honest one.
I quite, I quite like that being very
honest because I think most people would.
And say, is this it?
And just drive down it anyway and then get
onto a loading bay or something like that.
It's like, this is a strange hotel, but
kev: you did well.
glenn: Yeah, it's obviously nervy, okay,
I would like to think I'm quite an
experienced driver, but when you're in a
city center, there's so much happening.
You can't always blame it on the sat nav.
So in this instance, I'll
put it down to driver error.
And yes, I'll hold my hand up.
kev: Well, I'm here gonna say,
yes, Nottingham City Centre.
I've got lost as well.
So it's not the easiest city centres.
It's not the most straightforward
and Luke and I got lost when we were
trying to find a hotel and we ended
up going round a couple of times and
yeah, we had a few incidents that time.
So yeah, I'm with you on
But you mentioned loads of things there
like loads more signs, the weather.
And that all comes into play, doesn't it?
Did you find that SatNav was just
like added to the pressure as well?
glenn: It does.
If you're rigid and follow the sat
nav to everything it tells you to
do, you could make a lot of mistakes.
You have to take into consideration
everything else that's going on.
kev: I think that's the problem isn't it?
Yeah, that is the problem.
And that comes out as a theme through
some of these stories actually,
that yeah, SatNav's brilliant,
but it is really important to go
a bit old school at the same time.
So, you said you've got
another story, Clare?
glenn: This was many years ago.
glenn: when, when, when
Sat Navs first come out?
I guess like many married couples, uh,
you have your differences in relationship.
We had heated discussions in the car,
but they only, they only appeared to take
place while I was driving and frequently
due to me taking the wrong turns.
I must admit, I'm not one for
stopping and asking directions.
so before sat navs were installed as a standard product in cars or available as
a guidance on modern day phones, we took
the option to purchase a bolt on system.
Overnight it seemed to stop
any directional discussions.
There was no need for us to challenge
ourselves on, is it the left?
Is it the next right?
Or have I took the wrong turn?
It gave an accurate time we would
reach the end destination, which at
the time was cutting technology.
Driving became more enjoyable.
There was no need to plan the journey.
You just got in the car and drove.
Our only heated discussion were
when we ganged up on the sat nav
for not taking the easiest of routes.
Or on one occasion when we ended
up on an industrial estate,
which I previously mentioned.
Both occasions, it was probably down to
me for not downloading the latest software
or plugging in the correct destinations.
Anyway, so our most memorable
sat nav incident was on a
journey through Cornwall.
The weather was good, the end destination
was set, we were heading through the
countryside following the directions.
With minimal fuss, admire the beautiful
scenic views of the narrow winding roads.
Turn right and take the second exit.
Keep to the right and take the next left.
The voiceover was concise and clear.
We opted for the relaxed, calm, in
control female voice, rather than the
John Cleese option, which was available.
So now take the second
right and turn left.
Now take the ferry.
At this point we looked at each
other and both repeated the phrase.
Now take the ferry.
Not knowing Cornwall that well,
straight away I had visions of ending
up in France in four hours time.
At this point, I was panicking.
The road was clear ahead.
I thought I would turn around
at the next safe place.
As we navigated the bend, I
joined the flow of traffic
awaiting to board the ferry.
There was around 20
vehicles in front of me.
I was always told to look for a
Plan B when you are driving and
be aware of your surroundings.
In the vent, you have to make
an unexpected sudden movement
in a safe, controlled manner.
So today was no exception.
I could see the hatched area was empty.
In front of me, there
was no oncoming traffic.
My plan was to overtake the
stationary vehicles in a safe manner.
Get to the hatched area, turn around,
and find another way to my destination.
I pulled out, made my way
down to the hatched area.
As I overtook the vehicles queuing,
I could see a major fault in my plan.
ferry had arrived.
The gates were opening,
allowing the cars to embark.
I made it to the hatched
area but was stuck.
I couldn't turn around.
I had no option other
than to get on the ferry.
What made it worse is not only had
I jumped the traffic queue, making
my way to the front, I still didn't
have a clue where I was going.
Luckily it was just a short
ride across the estuary.
We got a few strange looks whilst
on board but nothing serious.
I guess the lesson learned is to
be aware of your surroundings, your
route, and always take note of the
relevant road signs on your journey.
kev: I just, when you first
told me that I just had visions
of you ended up in France.
My favorite bit is the fact that you were
planning to turn around, but ended up.
You jump in everybody.
glenn: Yeah, I certainly did.
I overtook everyone.
And then when we got to the
bottom, I couldn't turn around,
so I had to get on the ferry.
Uh, I was first on the ferry.
We had the best view, but it was
only cutting across Cornwall.
Uh, it was my first time
in Cornwall, I think.
kev: I think that the message there is
just listen to Sharon when you're driving.
I think that's, you know, just
glenn: I can't comment.
Yeah, I can't comment.
kev: And of course, this was the
early days of sat navs, so they
were renowned, weren't they?
They weren't good, were they?
They were renowned for taking
people off in all sorts of
weird and wonderful directions.
But yeah, probably not taking
someone onto a ferry, but that
was just a, it was a great story.
Yeah, that's brilliant, lovely.
So how do you use sat
navs now though, Glenn?
Now you've had all these,
these experiences, are you
more confident with them?
And where they're actually
going to take you, or?
So I think the other thing, the
glenn: I'm stuck when I'm playing
cricket and we've got a game in
Milton Keynes and the sat nav in my
wife's car doesn't work correctly.
Well, it doesn't work at all.
So I'm normally fine for being
late, even though I've played
there two or three weeks before.
So, so if we don't turn up on time that
they're, they're quick enough to find you.
And I must admit, I don't like driving in
Milton Keynes without the aid of Satnav,
kev: nav on a regular occasion, so
don't let it put you off is, um,
is another message there, isn't it?
glenn: I would certainly
be lost without it now.
Thank you very much
for sharing your story.
Yeah, it was good.
glenn: You are welcome and thanks
for letting me, , come onto your show.
kev: And thank you for the idea as well.
tracey: So next we're
gonna talk to Kirsty.
So, Kirsty, I'm just gonna hand straight
over to you to say who you are, what
you do, and to tell us your story.
kirsty: Hi, I'm Kirsty.
I'm a travel blogger, and I write
a website called Lost in Landmarks.
So I do all sorts of travel all
over the place but mostly I chat
about travel around Britain on that
podcast, although I do have another
one that is a bit more driving.
, focused, which is about driving along
Route 66, which is called Lost on 66, so
tracey: Oh, fantastic.
kirsty: Yeah, so there's, there is
lots, there's lots of uh, lost going
on here, which is probably quite
appropriate for our SatNav story.
So, but yeah, so our funny story with
the SatNav is so I'm going back a
little bit now But it was when we were
traveling in a camper van with our kids
and it was quite a large camper van
It was some quite wide quite old very
very beige camper van We were traveling
around France and in France there are
some wonderful wonderful villages that
accept camper vans and they have like
car parks that are set up for campervans
to stay overnight and things like that.
They're called an air.
Um, and we used to have this book that
would have lists and lists of all these
airs that we could go to in the, in the
most obscure little French villages.
, and they would have the GPS coordinates
that we would then plot into our sat nav.
And so I did that with this one
village that we were going to.
And I was just absolutely
convinced everything was fine.
So we're driving along.
It wasn't me that was driving.
It was my husband, but, he's a
truck driver, so he's a lot more
better with bigger trucks than I am.
And so we're driving along and we're
just going down this small village road.
And he's like, I'm not
sure this is quite right.
Are you sure this is right?
And I'm like, yeah, because.
The end site's just at
the end of this road.
And as we're going down,
the road's getting narrower
and narrower and narrower.
And people start to come out of the
streets and sort of look at us and
go, What are they doing down here?
What are they doing down here?
Are they supposed to be coming down here?
And we get to the end of the road.
The car park is just supposed to be in
front of us, but unfortunately there
is a large river there, , and we can't
get into the car park from that way,
so, , yeah, I had kind of set it up in a
way and, like, led my husband down this
road, and then he had to, unfortunately,
reverse all the way back through this
very, very narrow French village, so we
tracey: Which can't be
very easy in a campervan.
kirsty: No, and this is what I
was saying, he's a truck driver,
so he's kind of a little bit...
He's a little bit more better than I
am, like, you know, I'm used to using
your middle mirror, but obviously with
the campervan, you can't see anything
through the back, so you've just got to
use your side mirrors, and he's kind of
good with that, so, but he still talks
about it now as that I've let him down.
into a river in France.
tracey: you, Kirsty.
It was the sat nav.
kirsty: it's that thing, you think this,
you put it into the sat nav and you think,
oh well that's fine, the sat nav says
it's fine, so you go off, off you go, all
confident, all confident to drive down.
And um, yeah, so I'd, I'd love to say
that that's the only time that that's
happened, but I do that quite often,
tracey: I think you mentioned
Cornwall as well, didn't you?
When I, when I first got
in touch with you, you
kirsty: yeah, so I live in Cornwall now,
clearly from my accent, I'm not from
Cornwall, Yeah, so we recently moved
down to Cornwall and everybody always says
never use your, your sat nav in Cornwall,
um, and so I had this in my head.
Yeah, we won't use the sat nav when
we get to Cornwall and we'd come down
just for a bit of a recce before we
moved and we were desperate to go to
the beach because we lived in a place
that was nowhere near a beach and we
were just desperate to go to the beach.
So we popped it into the sat nav.
Didn't think anything of it and
then we're just traveling down these
roads and it's as you sort of go
along You're like, oh my goodness.
Um, I'm not sure I should be here
You know this this is like a like
I'd look at the phone and it would
come up with a village coming up.
I'm like, oh it's fine, we're
coming to a village and there'd
be one house in that village.
And I'm like, this isn't
right, it doesn't feel right.
And the road just started to get
narrower and narrower and narrower.
I was like, I'm not sure this is good.
My husband just sits and drives and I'm
just out there going, um, yeah, it's fine.
I'm sure it's all going to be good.
And we got towards the end of,
you know, we could see on the sat
nav that the sea was coming up.
We were like, oh, we
must be getting there.
So, but we were so high up, like we were
nowhere near like a car park or anything.
We were so high up and I was
like, we're just going to end up.
I had visions of us just coming
out of the cliff somewhere and
that's the end of the road.
And so, yeah, and that was like last.
A couple of years ago, it really was
very, very recent and we do that a lot.
Eventually it turned us around this
very, very tight bend and we managed
to find a, the car park where it
took us to, but oh my goodness,
it was the narrowest of roads.
And I do tell myself always,
never use the sat nav in Cornwall.
I still do it sometimes.
kirsty: normally goes wrong.
But normally that's our,
that's our funny stories.
They're always me thinking I
know where we're going and then
sending us down some narrow road.
tracey: Have you got any words
of advice, any wise words for our
listeners when it comes to Sat navs?
kirsty: Normally, I'm very good
actually normally at just checking out
sort of the last part of the journey.
So I like to look on Google Maps.
I'm quite a big sort of, I'm a
planner and that makes me feel good
if I know where I'm going to end up.
So normally that's what I would do.
I would check out where the
end of the journey is on Google
Maps and that normally helps me.
And also if you're, um, you know,
just having a good overview of the
journey as well is always good.
And then it can make you sort of
realize, okay, that's a really
narrow road I'm going to go down.
That's probably not the best one.
Let's go and find another one.
Because sat nav really just,
and especially in Cornwall,
for anybody who ever comes and
drives down here, they don't pay
attention to the size of the roads.
They just send you the quickest way,
kirsty: which, which isn't so good when
there's a tractor coming the other way.
Thank you so much for
sharing your stories.
And I love the fact that your
blogs are all about getting
lost for your travel blogs.
I think that's because it just is,
if you're going to go places, it's a
normal part of life is getting lost.
But actually that's half
of the adventure, isn't it?
kirsty: Yeah, it's the story, it's
the adventure, and sometimes you
have the best things that happen
when you get lost, isn't it?
So, it's all part of the adventure.
tracey: Oh, brilliant.
Thank you so much, Kirsty.
tracey: So this time, I'm delighted
to introduce Fenella, who's a member
of one of the business groups that
I'm in, and she volunteered her Sat
Nav story for this episode as well.
So, To you to introduce who you're a
little bit about what you do, and then
dive straight into your satin story
fenella: Hi, so thank you.
Yes, my name is Mila Hamus, and I
am a trainer of something called
Neuro Linguistic Programming,
Timeline Therapy and Hypnosis.
So essentially I train coaches
and leaders to get better results.
NLP is the art of understanding how
your mind works to make it work for you.
So that's for them to get better results
for themselves and for other people.
What I also do though is I coach and
I get people, uh, to get over their
barriers and especially any type of
fear, which includes PTSD and phobias.
So funny enough, my um, my Sat Nav
story did actually start from when
I was up in Manchester attending a
training, weekend from my old trainer.
I lived down in the south.
I'm up there in Manchester and I'm
going to go to Sudden Coalfield, which
is near Birmingham, north somewhere of
Birmingham, and I'm driving, put the
Sat Nav on to direct me down there,
and then I suddenly realise it's
going to take me through the M6 toll.
Now, you don't have to go
through the M6 toll, I know,
when you're going down that way.
And I'm thinking, well, I don't want
to pay 6 just for the pleasure of
going through a road with just a few...
Cars on it.
I'm happy to sit in the middle
of the day on a main road.
And, uh, so what I did was I came off the
motorway and went sort of down the road a
bit somewhere, somewhere near Birmingham.
And thought, okay, well, I'll
plug in the sat nav again to
be able to go on another road.
So I plugged in the sat nav and because
I was a fair way out, I thought,
well, it'll probably go another way.
No, it took me back to the M six
toll . So I wasn't having any of
that 'cause I did have a bit of time.
Once again, I went off, uh, off the
motorway, offered another turn off.
I think I went in nearly into
Birmingham that time and, uh, put
the Satnav in again and, uh, thought,
okay, well I'll have another go.
And, uh, started off on
my journey once again.
And guess what?
It was not going to let me
go anywhere else except for
through the, by the M6 toll.
So by then, I just kind of really,
I was getting really frustrated,
had no idea because I didn't have
an old map, a map in my, my car.
And, um, so I had no idea how else to
use it because I had it on my phone.
When you get all confused like
that, just my head sort of gets
all frazzled and you can't think.
So yes, I have to suck it up and go down
through the M6 toll and pay the money.
So yes, that was just so, so infuriating.
And that's why I don't really
like using the Sat Nav a lot of
the time because it takes me ways
that I don't actually want to go.
And it's not the only
time that that's happened.
So that's essentially it
forcing me to pay money.
tracey: Oh dear.
And it is so frustrating, isn't it?
Because when you know that there
must be another way as well,
of course there's another way.
But, um, so what would you, if you
were doing that journey now, what would
you do before starting the journey?
fenella: I'd take a map.
fenella: Seriously, I'd take a
map and I'd mark it out on the map
because I wouldn't trust the phone.
Because you know when they start
and you plug it in and you've got
an idea of where you're going to go.
Because I don't really know how to
use the sat nav very well or like
putting pins in or things like that.
So, you know, when you put it in,
and then it starts telling you to go
away, so you know you don't want to
go anyway, it kind of winds you up,
well, it winds me up anyway, when it's
telling me to go places that I don't
want to go, and it's not listening to me.
It's one of those things,
talking to machines.
tracey: yes, I know.
And do you talk to your sat nav as
fenella: Oh, yes.
Oh yes, I, I tell it to shut
up, and then I go, no, I don't
want to go that way, be quiet.
fenella: It's hilarious
tracey: yes, yes.
Because they do change course, don't they?
If you go off in a different direction.
But you need to know which way to go.
To the, you know, for it to
then change correctly I think.
fenella: the first place.
Absolutely, because this one,
no way was it going to let me go
anywhere except for the M6 toll.
tracey: it was on commission, obviously,
It's a nice quiet road though.
tracey: Oh, those brilliant.
Oh, that's great.
And the, yeah, these things, these
are exactly the sort of things that
can happen with satin ns, aren't they?
. Thank you for sharing your story.
fenella: You're very welcome.
tracey: We put out into a
business group that I'm in,
asking for funny SatNav stories.
And one of the people who came
forward with the story was Joe.
JO: Hi, Tracy.
How are you?
tracey: I'm great.
And thank you so much for
joining me this afternoon.
So, Joe, I'm going to hand over
to you and ask you to say who you
are and what you do, and then just
go straight into your SatNav story.
Thanks for having me, Tracy.
I'm Jo Mitchell Hill, and I am an
ADHD therapeutic parenting coach.
So I work with parents, , who
have ADHD themselves, or
have children who have ADHD.
And I work with them.
Using therapeutic parenting strategies
to help them create a more harmonious
home environment, better, deeper
relationships between them and the kids.
I've been doing that for
gosh, a good few years now.
, absolutely love it.
And I've helped, you know, quite
a few people along the way.
JO: Thank you.
So my driving story.
Last year, my brother, , got married
in Croatia, his wife's Croatian, and,
that time of year, you can only fly to
certain airports, and then you have to
drive to wherever you're going, which
is fine, not a problem, because I like
to drive, driving doesn't bother me.
I grew up in Australia.
If you want to get
anywhere, you have to drive.
So driving doesn't bother me, but it was
the first time in such a long time that.
I'd done it solo.
My husband had stayed at home.
It was just literally
myself and my daughter.
Like I've driven, , around the UK
with her, but never sort of abroad.
And it didn't, didn't really worry me
in the slightest, if I'm honest with
you, other than the fact that I suddenly
realized when I got there that all the
signs were in Croatian, because they
would be, they wouldn't be in English.
So not a problem.
So we drove from Zagreb down
to Rijeka, which was, you know,
lovely, very straight road.
It's a toll road.
It's a straight road, not a problem.
We got there, super, stayed there for the
week, had the wedding, and that was great.
We had to go home.
We sort of left a little bit later and
we were driving in the evening, which was
probably my first mistake because yeah,
I probably the least confident driver.
I think in the evening, I think as I've
gotten older, I know you just get older
and your eyesight goes, doesn't it?
So I plugged the phone in for the sat nav.
And of course it was just.
It was talking to me, but it
wasn't showing me anything.
So I'm like, oh, that's really helpful.
And bless my daughter, she
was only eight at the time.
And she was like my wing woman.
And she's like, it's okay, mummy.
She said, I'll hold the, the thing.
And she's a very nervous car passenger.
Cause she'd had a car
accident on the way to school.
And she'd been quite nervous.
So this for her was a big thing.
So anyway, so we're driving
along and I thought this is fine.
Once I get on the toll road.
It's, it's a straight drive to Zagreb.
It's like two hours or something.
So it's a straight drive
and it's not an issue.
And we'd booked a hotel for that
night because our flight was
quite early in the morning, it's
driving around, driving around.
Remember where I have to
get off and that's great.
So I've gotten off and the sat nav
kept saying to me, turn left here.
And I'm like, but there's no
road there and I'm thinking,
okay, we'll drive around again.
And of course, again, you know,
all the, signs are in Croatian.
And I'm thinking, I have
no idea where I'm going.
If I carry on on this road, what
country am I going to end up in?
I have no idea, you know,
just that kind of thing.
Suddenly, suddenly realized I felt really
vulnerable, really, really vulnerable.
We were kind of skirting
around the airport.
So we, we, we weren't far from where we
were because the hotel we were staying,
it was like five minutes from the airport.
And I thought there's got to be a
petrol station around here somewhere.
Someone's gotta, you
know, be able to help me.
And I was trying to.
Be a little bit jovial because my daughter
was starting to freak out that she
obviously picked up on the fact that I
was sort of stressing a little bit and
I was like, you know, singing songs,
clapping my hands, being all like that.
But I was inside.
I was like thinking, Oh my
God, what am I going to do?
Because at some point on our drive back,
this warning light had flashed up on
the car again, all in all in Croatia.
And so I had no idea what it said.
I'm just going to just.
And it was pelting hard
with rain and it was dark.
So I'm just thinking, Oh my God.
So you can imagine.
I found, I don't know, like
an Aldi's or something.
And there was a petrol station.
So I've parked up, I've run in with her.
And you know, you get that nervous energy.
And I've said, can anybody
tell me where this is?
And they all sort of looked at me.
The woman at the desk started
speaking to me in Croatian.
And I was just like, I have
no idea what you're saying.
And then the two young
girls came out from, Right.
The store cupboard.
And they said, you're literally like
five minutes away from this place.
Go out, turn left.
I'm thinking left and I
can't find this left street.
And I said, okay.
I said, if you're telling me it's five
minutes away, we shall never see each
other again, because I'll be at the hotel.
I said, but if I'm back in five, 10
minutes, I said, someone needs to help us.
So, cause it's getting ridiculous now.
And I was also conscious of the fact I
hadn't filled the car up because it was
a high cost, had to fill the car up.
I still had like half
a tank so I was fine.
So I drove out, drove around this It
was like a industrial state, I guess.
And I just said to my
daughter, No, can't find it.
So I've driven back in.
And at this point, I have to admit,
I was really, really close to tears.
Like, really close to tears.
I thought, I don't know what to do.
I actually was in that much of a panic.
I'm usually a very level headed,
very sort of laid back person.
But at this point, I just
thought, I don't know what to do.
I'm starting to feel unsafe.
Because it's nighttime
and it's getting later.
My daughter's now starting to panic
and I'm not sure and everything in me.
I'm a parenting coach.
I say this to parents all the time.
You know, we've got to be calm.
We've got to be calm.
Otherwise we join in the chaos.
And I'm thinking I'm just
joining in that chaos.
We're just going to have like tantrums.
So anyway, I went back in.
And there was a woman paying for her fuel,
and I said, someone needs to help me.
Someone needs to show
me where this hotel is.
And the woman took, the
details of where it was.
And she said, my husband
is outside in the car.
said, we'll show you where it is.
And I said, well, I thought
I could have kissed her.
She said, you are literally
five minutes away.
I'm like, yes, everybody tells me I'm
five minutes away from this place.
So she then got in her car and
I said to her, I'll pay you.
I'll give you money.
She's like, don't be ridiculous.
She said, just get in
the car and follow us.
So we got in the car, and I still wasn't
calm at all, and I was just like, oh
please, like then thinking, then thinking,
because you know, we've all seen American
horror stories and stuff haven't we?
And going, oh yeah, this is,
this is a really clever thing to
do Jo, but again thinking, no.
My whole experience in Croatia to this
point, everyone has been lovely, everyone
has been more than helpful, and they
were brilliant, and they took us, I never
would have found it, I don't know where
this left turn was, but it was this kind
of like dog leg turn and then around
JO: a suburban thing.
And they, they sort of stopped
in the hotel was there.
So, I was ever so grateful ran
out gave her a big hug said
thank you so much that's amazing.
They drove off and we went
into the hotel, and I am.
I spoke to the lady.
the manager of the hotel.
And I said to her, look,
I've got a hire car.
I said, but actually I'm
so nervous and anxious now.
I don't want to drive
to the airport tomorrow.
I said, but I've got this hire car.
I need to get it back to them.
Some lights flashed up.
And at that point she just went, no.
And I was like, now I grew up,
my dad's family are Polish.
So I knew, I knew what was coming.
She's like, no, she said,
you pay for nothing.
She said, you leave this car here.
She said, and I will
make them take it back.
She said, and you will pay for nothing.
There will be nothing.
There will be no money
taken out of your account.
They've given you a bad car, right?
And she was like, Oh my.
And I was like, Oh my God.
Oh, I could kiss you as well.
So she said to me, I will get you.
a taxi for free.
And I was like, Oh my God, this is just
the loveliest country in the world.
She said, it is literally five minutes.
There's that five minutes again.
She said, it's literally five
minutes away, the airport.
And I said, look, we have
to be there so early.
I would much rather someone pick us up
and take us then have to worry about it.
So they'd organized this taxi
for us like the following
morning for free and everything.
And she said to me, don't
worry about the car.
Just leave everything here
that needs to go back with it.
So don't worry about the fact
that you haven't put fuel in it.
Don't worry about it.
Anything like that.
She said, you will not be charged.
And she was true to word
because here we are.
A year later, no one's
ever charged me for it.
No one's ever contacted me about it.
So she was, I don't know.
She, she was obviously very
scary to them and told them off.
But I have to say it was the most.
Someone must have been smiling
at me because we got to that
point where I just thought I
didn't know what I'm going to do.
If I keep driving, not sure what
country I'm going to end up in.
Um, and yeah, and we had
these like little, these
angels that came and saved us.
So, I guess, you know,
check your SatNav is working.
That's probably a good thing to do.
Um, and when you're going, you know,
in a foreign country and maybe make
sure that, that you can get things
in English if, if at all possible.
So you know where you're
going and what you're doing.
But yeah, it hasn't, I say it
hasn't dampened my spirits to drive.
I, you know, I still like to drive and
I still drive anyway, but there is that
little bit of nervousness in me in the,
in the back of my mind, I'm just a bit
like, Oh, do I really want to do this?
But I keep going, keep going, keep
putting that sat nav in and hope.
And I've got a friend of mine gave
me a, not that I think it works.
Um, in Europe, but a friend of mine
gave me another sat nav to download.
And she said, this one's brilliant.
She said, this one tells you
if there's any problems and
it diverts you then around.
I'm like, it's amazing.
So, so yeah.
So I use that one now.
Oh, so really it sounds as if the moral
of the story for you is that being
better prepared, that idea of actually,
rather than just winging it because
you feel confident, is regardless of
how confident you feel, to have a
look, do your research, know where you
, but I think also as well, because
everyone was just saying to me,
Oh, you know how to get back there.
What I didn't think of was
what I do at the other end.
JO: And yeah, don't don't go in the dark.
Go during the
So during the daytime when you feel
better, but also that thing that people
are willing to help as well, aren't they?
When you ask for help.
So I think anything like that,
finding a shop, finding a petrol
station, certainly I've done
that when I've got lost in Wales.
I, um, I just realised, hmm, this
village was not on my list of
villages I was supposed to be going
through, I've taken a wrong turn.
And so that's what I did.
JO: Yeah, yeah.
And, and I think for my
daughter, it was a good...
exercise of like, I guess, modeling
to her of like, you know what, there's
nothing wrong with asking people.
And actually it's the most sensible thing
to do in the situation that we're in.
But to go to a petrol station or a
supermarket and ask somebody, you
know, to places where one, there's
CCTV, so everything's captured on CCTV.
And two, it's, you know,
it's a public place.
So it was just, yeah, it wasn't
too late at night, thankfully.
Um, But yeah, it was and, and
just, you know, to say to it, you
know, we can get through this.
We can do this.
It's, it's okay.
We might be having a slight
panic, but we're all good.
You know, nothing bad's
going to happen to us.
But I think being a mum in that
situation was I reacted completely
differently to how I think I would
have reacted on my own because I was
conscious of having, you know, having
her there and having to look after her.
I had to snap myself out of it
because I just thought this is
going nowhere, nowhere quickly.
And we're going to miss our
flight because I'll still be
driving around tomorrow morning
tracey: But of course now what you've got
is a story that you probably reel out and
tell people regularly and laugh about now,
because once it's over and gone with, then
it becomes just a great story, doesn't it?
JO: yeah, yeah, I do
sort of tell everyone.
I mean, a friend of mine said to me,
Oh, what did you learn from this?
I was like, not to travel at nighttime.
And she said to me, no, not to
go anywhere without your husband.
And I was like, why
would I want to do that?
tracey: no, that's not, that's
JO: I said no, because
it wasn't practical.
He couldn't come for various reasons.
I said, so I'm not going
to not go to things.
I was like, it
tracey: limiting, wouldn't it?
JO: really would.
JO: It really would.
And as I said, I'm not, you know,
I've, I've driven all over the world.
It doesn't bother me.
I'm the one that drives because my
husband says, I don't like driving
on the other side of the road.
And I'm like, well, I don't care.
I'll just drive wherever.
So that's never going to be for me.
But, um, yeah, I'm not that sort of person
that's going to be told like, you can't do
Not to do it.
And that probably wasn't the
first time you've got lost.
You've probably got lost while driving
plenty of times and potentially it might
not be the last time you get lost either.
It's just part of driving, isn't it?
JO: it is.
I mean, I remember, very quickly, I
remember when I did the first time move
to Sydney and I had, this is in the
day before Sat Navs, I'd been to Sydney
once before, and I kind of didn't really
have an idea where my friend lived.
But again, I found myself driving
over the Sydney Harbour Bridge,
driving on the outskirts of Sydney
and somehow found her house.
I was just like, I had a map and
I was a bit like, oh, I think
that's where I've got to go.
We'll just give that a go.
But, you know, I think these
are the adventures, aren't they?
These are the things that you just
kind of, you go, well, I did it
and nothing bad happened to me.
And I'm, You know, here to tell the tales
and maybe be a cautionary tale or maybe
be a tale of, you know, for somebody else.
Go, you know, just ask someone there's
always somebody that's willing
to, as you said, there's always
someone that's willing to help you.
tracey: There is.
Oh, well, Jo, thank you so
much for sharing your story.
I hope everybody's enjoyed listening
to that and can take from it
something to help them as well.
So thank you very much.
JO: You're welcome.
audioKevField21980164064: So for
our final story, we wanna welcome
on one of our friends, Stuart.
I'm gonna hand over to you
to introduce yourself to say
who you are and what you do.
My name is Stuart and I own
a driving school in Glasgow.
And I own a training company
called Bright Coaching.
And I'm the head of
engagement for the ADI NGC.
That's, that's what I do.
Now, Stuart, we are so grateful
to you for coming on to share
your sat nav story with us.
'cause we were part of your sat
nav story, which is obviously
how we found out about it.
So, over to you.
Tell us about your story.
and Kev, not only were you part of my
SatNav story, you were the cause of
my SatNav story, because if it wasn't
for you, there would be no story.
So the story goes that Kev and
Tracy, uh, were up in Glasgow,
and you know, we go way back.
We've known each other for many years.
So as you do, we arranged to
kind of meet for dinner in town.
And I, uh, very, very generously offered
to come and pick you up from your hotel.
And drive to the restaurant, because
your hotel was, from memory, about
maybe 25 minutes, into Glasgow.
So I'm, I'm from Glasgow.
Glasgow's, you know, a
reasonably sized city.
It's quite a large place.
I'll get my disclaimers
out there right now.
And it was dark.
I'll get that disclaimer in there as well.
I'll tell the story and then, then we can
actually talk about, you know, my excuses.
Um, so basically I, I jumped in my
car and I had, you told me where you
were staying and I kind of registered.
Okay, that's fine.
I know where that is.
That's not a problem.
But every time I jump in my
car, I always, I always use
my sat nav, even if I'm going.
Somewhere that I know, um, I always use
my sat nav because one of the things
it's very good at is the live updates.
It'll tell you when a road's
blocked or there's, just kind of
traffic jams because where I live,
there's regularly, diversions in
place and, and things like that.
It was a Saturday night, the roads were
quieter than usual, and I was following
the sat nav, and after I'd been driving,
I live in the south side of the city,
I live next to Hampden Park, for those
who know Glasgow, quite close to there.
, and Tracy and Kev were
staying, north of the river on
the very kind of far west end.
Of the city.
The Wild West, as, as
sometimes referred to up here.
Um, and that's, that's where I
roughly knew I was heading to.
But as I'm driving, I'm thinking
about lots of other things because
I've been working that day.
And I started thinking to
myself, this is taking me away
that I've never been before.
I don't, I don't know this way.
This is not the way I would have
went if I hadn't put the sat nav on.
So then you have this, this
is the first thing, isn't it?
Is the sat nav right?
Or is the sat nav wrong?
And this usually happens when
you're on a motorway and it wants
to take you off because it's
registered a tailback up ahead.
And I hadn't registered, I'd probably
registered quite late because I was
distracted, I was thinking about other
things, I kind of thought that I've kind
of went this far, I'll just trust it now.
Rather than doubling back,
which would have taken longer.
It's possible that I was already running
a little bit late in coming to get you.
Possible, but we'll never know because
I can't remember that far back.
And then the further I went, as I
said, when we talk about Southside
in Glasgow, what we mean by that is
south of the river, the River Clyde.
So I know that at some point I
need to cross the River Clyde.
And I'm thinking, what
bridge is it taking me to?
Is there a bridge that I don't know about?
Between here and the Erskine Bridge,
which is basically out at Loch Lomond.
These, these are the bridges that
I'm thinking about in my head.
No, there must, there must be something,
because I can see now in the map, it's
showing you a way across the river.
You can actually see a
way across the river.
I trusted the satnav said there
must be something that I did not
know about a bridge that I did not
know about because it's not my
most familiar side of the city.
But no, there was no bridge.
What was there, Stuart?
Are you going to use this image
on, on, on the show notes?
I will put the image on.
audioStewartLochrie11980164064: Okay, the,
the, the sat nav, the sat nav had taken me
to the location of the Renfrew Ferry, and
the Renfrew Ferry, I was going to say for
those who don't know Glasgow, that, that,
just for those who didn't know, because
I'm from Glasgow and I didn't know,
the Renfrew Ferry is a passenger ferry.
It's about the size of my car.
It's about the size of my car.
And it only runs between nine
and five or eight and six, only
runs between eight and six.
And as you know, this is like
quarter past eight at night.
I'm coming to try and
pick you up for an 8.
30 reservation or whatever it is.
Um, so I then had to pull over and
phone you and say, listen, sorry guys.
We've got this reservation.
I'm going to be late and
it's a busy restaurant.
We've got, we've got this reservation
for this thing because for me to get
to the Renfrew Ferry, I'm now out west.
On the side, on the wrong side of the
river, and for me to get back , to a
bridge, I need to go either to Loch
Lomond, or I need to come back into
town, which is a 25 minute drive, and
then go 25 minutes west on the north.
So it's going to take me an hour
to get to you, and then 25 minutes
back in, we're going to be an
hour and a half late for dinner.
So we had to just say, listen, you
guys are going to have to jump a
taxi, and I will get there, you'll
probably be there before me.
Because I'm lost in my own city.
Um, and, and that's,
that's my SatNav story.
But it's, as we were talking about,
it's, it's far more than a SatNav story.
It's far more than a SatNav story.
just love the story, Stuart.
I just love it that it's, you know,
it's, um, I, I love hearing it often,
yeah, I, I got that, I got that, yeah.
Always here to help.
But I was thinking about this
before I came on, , today.
About what we're going to talk
about, and I figured out what
my first main, , issue was.
And it's probably on the GDE matrix
under something, but I can't think what
it would be under, but it was actually
just a little bit of, over familiarity,
that I'm not going to get lost.
Kevin, Tracy are up from
Leighton Buzzard in Glasgow.
I'm not going to be the one who gets lost.
I know where they are
Yeah, so I don't need to do any
route planning or anything like that.
And the second thing that contributed to
it was, , I knew that you were staying
in a hotel next to a hospital out
towards the west and north of the city.
And there is another, hotel.
and hospital to the west of the city,
not as far west as you guys were.
But I probably confused
that somewhere in my mind.
I would have gone through the
cloud tunnel to get to that.
So that kind of over , familiarity,
a little bit of, um, confu of
not, not, not even confusion.
I just didn't give it enough thought.
As to where exactly you were
staying, that was, that was
kind of a vital thing as well.
aNd then all the kind of more general
things come in that, I was probably
rushing a bit because I was late.
I was distracted because it
had been a busy day at work.
All these things are going on in my head.
, and yeah, so interesting from
a, you know, this, this, this is
what we do for a living, guys.
And it's just so interesting
that I was that guy.
I was that guy.
audioKevField21980164064: it's that
thought of, I don't need to worry about
that because I know what's gonna happen.
I'm gonna get in the car a certain
time, put the sat nav on and off I go.
I mean, all that, over familiarity
and all that kind of stuff.
And I'm from Wasco and
these guys are the tourists.
I, even with all that, I've
also got my sat nav is back up.
And it all, it all failed.
It all failed me.
SO I guess the other thing to add
into that is, In terms of what you
guys do with confident drivers.
I remember the point of the approaching
point of, I was going to say no
return, but the point of inevitable
return, but I had to backtrack.
Um, I remember.
starting to tense up and that,
that feeling in my stomach that
I was going to be late because
I really don't like being late.
I'm always there, you know, 15 minutes
early, earlier than I need to be.
aNd I was anxious about the fact that,
A, I was going to be late picking you
guys up and I could picture you guys
standing outside the hotel waiting for me.
But I was also anxious about being late
for the reservation at the restaurant.
So I really don't like.
being that guy.
I used to work in
hospitality, maybe it's that.
And I I could just, I was really
aware of that sensation and then that
affects your decision making as well.
I was super conscious of that, the
further away I got from the bridge that
I, that I should have been aiming for.
And that is the truth
for everybody, isn't it?
When you have that dawning moment
of realization, and then the what
if thoughts start, and then those,
you know, that fight flight freeze,
those feelings, the natural feelings
that we all experience, yeah.
then just to build on that anxiety
kind of thing, did, I, I did get to
the restaurant and you guys did get to
the restaurant and we met and we had
a lovely meal and none of it mattered.
None of it mattered.
So all that stuff that's flying
through my head about, oh no,
they're going to think I'm an idiot.
Oh no, the restaurant's
going to be furious.
All that stuff didn't matter.
We got there maybe five, 10 minutes
late or whatever, but in the grand
scheme of things, it did not matter.
, whereas maybe, uh, and this is where I'm
hopefully going to redeem myself a little
bit, maybe a less experienced driver would
have been starting to pick up the speed.
And break the speed limit and
starting to do more dangerous things
to alleviate that anxiety so that
they didn't, they weren't late.
And all that kind of stuff.
sO yeah, just so many interesting
things from such a small story that is
relevant to the way that we train people.
The, the way that we train pdis and ADIs.
but also learner drivers.
Yeah, really, really valuable
lesson, for me anyway.
audioKevField21980164064: I think it's
also full license holders as well.
We do in our training about the,
the sat Nav says, you're gonna
get there at 10 past nine, but
you've got a reservation at nine.
You don't like being late.
What are you gonna do?
side of things isn't, it comes in
and it's like, are you tempted to
So, so working out in your head.
So if I drive 175 miles an hour, that'll
chalk seven minutes off the journey time.
Will I, will I get away with that?
that is, that's the consequences
that people deal with, isn't it?
, that's what happens and, trying to
teach those, those coping strategies
of what can you do in that situation.
audioKevField21980164064: and it
was a lovely meal as well, so.
It was a good meal.
It's a very good restaurant.
audioKevField21980164064: And so of course
for us, the reason we were so keen for
you to share the story is one because
we've started this whole episode, the very
first story was a fairy story as well.
So it's nice for us to finish off
with a fairy story at the end.
Even though it was a passenger
fairy tale, so it's fine.
00:46:22,974 --> 00:46:24,140
Yes, very different fairies.
00:46:24,141 --> 00:46:30,671
But also it's that thing for us
is that this really can happen
00:46:31,261 --> 00:46:33,751
to anybody and it's not a reason.
00:46:33,751 --> 00:46:38,261
I mean, you've continued using your sat
nav since, since this happened, clearly.
00:46:38,511 --> 00:46:39,401audioStewartLochrie:
00:46:39,471 --> 00:46:40,161
00:46:40,221 --> 00:46:45,751
Um, the sat nav is part of everyday
driving for me and I, I know that
00:46:46,466 --> 00:46:47,996
It's not always right as well.
00:46:48,026 --> 00:46:49,186
That's kind of an important fact.
00:46:49,216 --> 00:46:50,816
You get to know your sat nav, don't you?
00:46:51,426 --> 00:46:54,296
And you kind of know when you trust it and
when you don't and all that kind of stuff.
00:46:55,491 --> 00:46:56,791audioKevField:
00:46:57,771 --> 00:47:00,061
Thank you very much for
sharing your story, Stuart.
00:47:00,756 --> 00:47:01,596audioStewartLochrie:
You're very welcome.
00:47:01,901 --> 00:47:02,391audioKevField:
00:47:03,402 --> 00:47:08,352
So just to finish off this podcast
episode, I would just like to thank
00:47:08,352 --> 00:47:12,948
everybody who's taken the time out
of their day to participate yeah,
00:47:12,948 --> 00:47:18,238
I mean, it's a real compilation of
different stories, and we, yeah,
00:47:18,258 --> 00:47:21,218
we're so grateful to people for
sharing those stories with us.
00:47:21,468 --> 00:47:25,848
Yeah, and normally Sat Nav stories
are, you know, a bit funny as
00:47:25,848 --> 00:47:28,798
well, but they have a serious
connotation to them, don't they?
00:47:29,188 --> 00:47:31,158
Potential things that have happened, so.
00:47:31,658 --> 00:47:32,018
00:47:32,198 --> 00:47:33,318
00:47:33,328 --> 00:47:37,991
And the idea here of, of asking
people to share their stories wasn't
00:47:38,291 --> 00:47:44,241
so that we can highlight mistakes or
to, to laugh at people in any way.
00:47:44,261 --> 00:47:49,091
It really was to demonstrate
that these things can happen too.
00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,366
00:47:50,386 --> 00:47:56,446
Now, when I think about us and our
road trips, oh my goodness, Kev,
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we have been on so many what we
term our magical mystery tours.
00:48:03,426 --> 00:48:05,806
Well, yeah, because I just put
the sat nav on, you know, if it's
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somewhere I don't know, I know, I
genuinely know the first half of it.
00:48:11,276 --> 00:48:14,616
, and there might be a sat nav
is for if there's road closed
00:48:14,646 --> 00:48:16,276
roadworks or whatever traffic.
00:48:16,746 --> 00:48:20,166
Um, but the second half is
normally somewhere where we just,
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just, just follow it really.
00:48:22,806 --> 00:48:25,316
And then we look at it and
we go, yeah, go on then.
00:48:25,716 --> 00:48:27,576
It's going to take us 2 minutes shorter.
00:48:28,456 --> 00:48:30,746
And we end up in some
weird and wonderful roads.
00:48:30,966 --> 00:48:31,966
Yeah, well, you do.
00:48:32,286 --> 00:48:36,636
My preference is if it's gonna, if it's
gonna save us less than ten minutes,
00:48:36,976 --> 00:48:41,876
let's not bother, let's stay on the main
road, because, um, through experience.
00:48:41,986 --> 00:48:44,536
Yeah, it's one of those
things, isn't it, with me?
00:48:44,536 --> 00:48:47,156
I just go, come on, let's just follow
it and just see where it ends up.
00:48:47,156 --> 00:48:48,136
You're an adventurer.
00:48:49,886 --> 00:48:51,681
An explorer, I like to call it.
00:48:53,621 --> 00:48:59,491
But, regardless of when it takes you off
the wrong way, we know, we know that we
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can't always 100 percent trust the SatNav.
00:49:03,332 --> 00:49:08,161
We know that we need to look at road signs
and everything else as well, don't we?
00:49:08,161 --> 00:49:14,191
And I think that is the story
behind this is, SatNavs are a
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fantastic addition to help people.
00:49:16,981 --> 00:49:17,261
00:49:17,638 --> 00:49:19,168
But don't rely on them.
00:49:19,683 --> 00:49:23,313
You know, you still need to look at road
signs, road markings, that side of things.
00:49:23,973 --> 00:49:27,153
aLso don't trust it's going to
take you the most direct route.
00:49:27,273 --> 00:49:30,773
And it may be that you think,
Yeah, no, I'm not turning there.
00:49:30,813 --> 00:49:31,803
I'll just carry on.
00:49:31,803 --> 00:49:34,623
Because it's, it's what makes
you feel more comfortable.
00:49:34,643 --> 00:49:38,373
The sat nav will still get you back
to that position where you want to be.
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,500
And not to let it put you off.
00:49:41,785 --> 00:49:44,765
No, you carry on using it because
it's a, it's an addition, it's
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something there to help you.
00:49:46,735 --> 00:49:49,465
So, yeah, use it wherever it takes you.
00:49:52,135 --> 00:49:57,465
So we hope that you found that
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00:49:57,465 --> 00:50:02,065
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00:50:07,805 --> 00:50:10,505
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