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Episode 88 • 30th November 2023 • The Driving Confidence Podcast • Kev & Tracey Field
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In this episode, Kev and Tracey chat with friends and acquaintances about their stories and experiences of driving with a Sat Nav.

We chat about:

  • Not relying completely on the Sat Nav for journeys
  • Using road signs and markings to help with decisions
  • That Sat Nav mishaps can and do happen to everybody

While listening to this episode, ask yourself:

  • How do you feel about driving using the Sat Nav?
  • What is your Sat Nav story
  • What strategies do you use if the journey doesn’t go to plan?

We would like to extend our huge thanks to all the guests who so kindly shared their stories!

Glenn

Kirsty Bartholomew Kirsty Bartholomew is a leading travel blogger focusing on trips and days out in the UK. She loves exploring the world and then helping others to get the best deals, see the must see sights and get out there and explore! Kirsty's Facebook page Kirsty's Website

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kev:

So in this episode, we're going to be talking about Sat Nav stories.

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And so it's only right that our first

guest is Glenn, one of our friends,

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who actually this was his idea

for a podcast episode, wasn't it?

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It was.

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It was.

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And.

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Obviously we've, the story

we have and it's quite funny.

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Yeah.

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so it's

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Glen over to you.

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Tell us.

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glenn: Well, firstly, thanks for

inviting me on and giving me the

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opportunity to share a couple, a

couple of my experiences, a couple,

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yeah, , so I've not driven down a

guided bus wave yet, I have put in

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an incorrect postcode and ended up in

the middle of an industrial estate.

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But I would like to share

a couple of incidents.

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One very recently whilst I was

having a weekend away in Nottingham.

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The other one several

years ago back in Cornwall.

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So firstly my incident in Nottingham.

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So as a driver there is so much to

observe when driving in a major city.

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In addition to operating the

vehicle itself, increased traffic,

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volume of pedestrians, busways.

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One way streets, increased

volume of traffic signs.

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They have trams in Nottingham as well.

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And the weather, the weather

was appalling when we went.

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But with the help of Sat Nav we

managed to locate the hotel and the

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multi storey car park relatively easy.

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Only for me to take the wrong turn, ending

up in what appeared to be the service

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entrance for one of the mainstream shops.

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Where the security guard in his high

vis jacket helped me reverse out

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back into the main road and redirect

me into the next correct turning.

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In the sat nav's defence, it

was probably driver error.

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There was a car blocking the

correct entrance and when I

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mounted the kerb, I had a feeling

this couldn't be the right way.

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But still have the cheek to pull

the window down and ask, was

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this the multi storey car park?

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I guess the lessons learnt here was

just being extra vigilant, although

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sat navs appear to have pinpoint

accuracy, you as a driver will

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still need to take responsibility.

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I don't know if that's a, a starter,

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kev: that's a very honest one.

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That is.

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I quite, I quite like that being very

honest because I think most people would.

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And say, is this it?

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And just drive down it anyway and then get

onto a loading bay or something like that.

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It's like, this is a strange hotel, but

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glenn: Yeah,

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kev: you did well.

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glenn: Yeah, it's obviously nervy, okay,

I would like to think I'm quite an

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experienced driver, but when you're in a

city center, there's so much happening.

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You can't always blame it on the sat nav.

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So in this instance, I'll

put it down to driver error.

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And yes, I'll hold my hand up.

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kev: Well, I'm here gonna say,

yes, Nottingham City Centre.

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I've got lost as well.

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So it's not the easiest city centres.

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It's not the most straightforward

and Luke and I got lost when we were

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trying to find a hotel and we ended

up going round a couple of times and

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yeah, we had a few incidents that time.

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So yeah, I'm with you on

Nottingham, definitely.

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But you mentioned loads of things there

like loads more signs, the weather.

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And that all comes into play, doesn't it?

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Did you find that SatNav was just

like added to the pressure as well?

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glenn: It does.

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If you're rigid and follow the sat

nav to everything it tells you to

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do, you could make a lot of mistakes.

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You have to take into consideration

everything else that's going on.

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kev: I think that's the problem isn't it?

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Yeah, that is the problem.

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And that comes out as a theme through

some of these stories actually,

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that yeah, SatNav's brilliant,

but it is really important to go

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a bit old school at the same time.

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Yeah, definitely.

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So, you said you've got

another story, Clare?

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glenn: This was many years ago.

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kev: Ha

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glenn: when, when, when

Sat Navs first come out?

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I guess like many married couples, uh,

you have your differences in relationship.

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We had heated discussions in the car,

but they only, they only appeared to take

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place while I was driving and frequently

due to me taking the wrong turns.

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I must admit, I'm not one for

stopping and asking directions.

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so before sat navs were installed as a standard product in cars or available as

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a guidance on modern day phones, we took

the option to purchase a bolt on system.

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Overnight it seemed to stop

any directional discussions.

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There was no need for us to challenge

ourselves on, is it the left?

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Is it the next right?

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Or have I took the wrong turn?

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It gave an accurate time we would

reach the end destination, which at

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the time was cutting technology.

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Driving became more enjoyable.

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There was no need to plan the journey.

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You just got in the car and drove.

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Our only heated discussion were

when we ganged up on the sat nav

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for not taking the easiest of routes.

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Or on one occasion when we ended

up on an industrial estate,

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which I previously mentioned.

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Both occasions, it was probably down to

me for not downloading the latest software

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or plugging in the correct destinations.

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Anyway, so our most memorable

sat nav incident was on a

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journey through Cornwall.

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The weather was good, the end destination

was set, we were heading through the

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countryside following the directions.

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With minimal fuss, admire the beautiful

scenic views of the narrow winding roads.

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Turn right and take the second exit.

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Keep to the right and take the next left.

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The voiceover was concise and clear.

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We opted for the relaxed, calm, in

control female voice, rather than the

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John Cleese option, which was available.

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So now take the second

right and turn left.

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Now take the ferry.

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At this point we looked at each

other and both repeated the phrase.

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Now take the ferry.

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Not knowing Cornwall that well,

straight away I had visions of ending

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up in France in four hours time.

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At this point, I was panicking.

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The road was clear ahead.

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I thought I would turn around

at the next safe place.

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As we navigated the bend, I

joined the flow of traffic

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awaiting to board the ferry.

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There was around 20

vehicles in front of me.

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I was always told to look for a

Plan B when you are driving and

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be aware of your surroundings.

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In the vent, you have to make

an unexpected sudden movement

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in a safe, controlled manner.

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So today was no exception.

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I could see the hatched area was empty.

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In front of me, there

was no oncoming traffic.

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My plan was to overtake the

stationary vehicles in a safe manner.

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Get to the hatched area, turn around,

and find another way to my destination.

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I pulled out, made my way

down to the hatched area.

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As I overtook the vehicles queuing,

I could see a major fault in my plan.

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ferry had arrived.

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The gates were opening,

allowing the cars to embark.

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I made it to the hatched

area but was stuck.

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I couldn't turn around.

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I had no option other

than to get on the ferry.

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What made it worse is not only had

I jumped the traffic queue, making

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my way to the front, I still didn't

have a clue where I was going.

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Luckily it was just a short

ride across the estuary.

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We got a few strange looks whilst

on board but nothing serious.

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I guess the lesson learned is to

be aware of your surroundings, your

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route, and always take note of the

relevant road signs on your journey.

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kev: I just, when you first

told me that I just had visions

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of you ended up in France.

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My favorite bit is the fact that you were

planning to turn around, but ended up.

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You jump in everybody.

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glenn: Yeah, I certainly did.

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I overtook everyone.

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Q jumped.

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And then when we got to the

bottom, I couldn't turn around,

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so I had to get on the ferry.

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Uh, I was first on the ferry.

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We had the best view, but it was

only cutting across Cornwall.

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Uh, it was my first time

in Cornwall, I think.

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kev: I think that the message there is

just listen to Sharon when you're driving.

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I think that's, you know, just

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glenn: I can't comment.

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Yeah, I can't comment.

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Yeah, so

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kev: And of course, this was the

early days of sat navs, so they

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were renowned, weren't they?

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They weren't good, were they?

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They were renowned for taking

people off in all sorts of

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weird and wonderful directions.

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But yeah, probably not taking

someone onto a ferry, but that

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was just a, it was a great story.

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Yeah, that's brilliant, lovely.

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So how do you use sat

navs now though, Glenn?

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Now you've had all these,

these experiences, are you

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more confident with them?

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And where they're actually

going to take you, or?

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So I think the other thing, the

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glenn: I'm stuck when I'm playing

cricket and we've got a game in

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Milton Keynes and the sat nav in my

wife's car doesn't work correctly.

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Well, it doesn't work at all.

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So I'm normally fine for being

late, even though I've played

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there two or three weeks before.

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So, so if we don't turn up on time that

they're, they're quick enough to find you.

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And I must admit, I don't like driving in

Milton Keynes without the aid of Satnav,

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kev: nav on a regular occasion, so

don't let it put you off is, um,

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is another message there, isn't it?

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Love

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glenn: I would certainly

be lost without it now.

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kev: Brilliant.

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Thank you very much

for sharing your story.

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Yeah, it was good.

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glenn: You are welcome and thanks

for letting me, , come onto your show.

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kev: And thank you for the idea as well.

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tracey: So next we're

gonna talk to Kirsty.

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So, Kirsty, I'm just gonna hand straight

over to you to say who you are, what

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you do, and to tell us your story.

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kirsty: Hi, I'm Kirsty.

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I'm a travel blogger, and I write

a website called Lost in Landmarks.

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So I do all sorts of travel all

over the place but mostly I chat

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about travel around Britain on that

podcast, although I do have another

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one that is a bit more driving.

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, focused, which is about driving along

Route 66, which is called Lost on 66, so

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tracey: Oh, fantastic.

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kirsty: Yeah, so there's, there is

lots, there's lots of uh, lost going

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on here, which is probably quite

appropriate for our SatNav story.

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So, but yeah, so our funny story with

the SatNav is so I'm going back a

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little bit now But it was when we were

traveling in a camper van with our kids

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and it was quite a large camper van

It was some quite wide quite old very

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very beige camper van We were traveling

around France and in France there are

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some wonderful wonderful villages that

accept camper vans and they have like

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car parks that are set up for campervans

to stay overnight and things like that.

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They're called an air.

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Um, and we used to have this book that

would have lists and lists of all these

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airs that we could go to in the, in the

most obscure little French villages.

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, and they would have the GPS coordinates

that we would then plot into our sat nav.

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And so I did that with this one

village that we were going to.

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And I was just absolutely

convinced everything was fine.

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Absolutely fine.

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So we're driving along.

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It wasn't me that was driving.

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It was my husband, but, he's a

truck driver, so he's a lot more

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better with bigger trucks than I am.

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And so we're driving along and we're

just going down this small village road.

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And he's like, I'm not

sure this is quite right.

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Are you sure this is right?

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And I'm like, yeah, because.

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The end site's just at

the end of this road.

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It's fine.

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And as we're going down,

the road's getting narrower

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and narrower and narrower.

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And people start to come out of the

streets and sort of look at us and

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go, What are they doing down here?

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What are they doing down here?

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Are they supposed to be coming down here?

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And we get to the end of the road.

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The car park is just supposed to be in

front of us, but unfortunately there

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is a large river there, , and we can't

get into the car park from that way,

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so, , yeah, I had kind of set it up in a

way and, like, led my husband down this

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road, and then he had to, unfortunately,

reverse all the way back through this

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very, very narrow French village, so we

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tracey: Which can't be

very easy in a campervan.

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kirsty: No, and this is what I

was saying, he's a truck driver,

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so he's kind of a little bit...

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He's a little bit more better than I

am, like, you know, I'm used to using

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your middle mirror, but obviously with

the campervan, you can't see anything

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through the back, so you've just got to

use your side mirrors, and he's kind of

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good with that, so, but he still talks

about it now as that I've let him down.

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into a river in France.

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So clearly

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tracey: you, Kirsty.

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It was the sat nav.

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I don't,

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kirsty: it's that thing, you think this,

you put it into the sat nav and you think,

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oh well that's fine, the sat nav says

it's fine, so you go off, off you go, all

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confident, all confident to drive down.

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And um, yeah, so I'd, I'd love to say

that that's the only time that that's

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happened, but I do that quite often,

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tracey: I think you mentioned

Cornwall as well, didn't you?

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When I, when I first got

in touch with you, you

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kirsty: yeah, so I live in Cornwall now,

clearly from my accent, I'm not from

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Cornwall, Yeah, so we recently moved

down to Cornwall and everybody always says

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never use your, your sat nav in Cornwall,

um, and so I had this in my head.

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Yeah, we won't use the sat nav when

we get to Cornwall and we'd come down

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just for a bit of a recce before we

moved and we were desperate to go to

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the beach because we lived in a place

that was nowhere near a beach and we

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were just desperate to go to the beach.

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So we popped it into the sat nav.

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Didn't think anything of it and

then we're just traveling down these

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roads and it's as you sort of go

along You're like, oh my goodness.

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Um, I'm not sure I should be here

You know this this is like a like

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I'd look at the phone and it would

come up with a village coming up.

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I'm like, oh it's fine, we're

coming to a village and there'd

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be one house in that village.

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And I'm like, this isn't

right, it doesn't feel right.

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And the road just started to get

narrower and narrower and narrower.

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I was like, I'm not sure this is good.

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My husband just sits and drives and I'm

just out there going, um, yeah, it's fine.

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We're fine.

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I'm sure it's all going to be good.

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And we got towards the end of,

you know, we could see on the sat

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nav that the sea was coming up.

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We were like, oh, we

must be getting there.

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So, but we were so high up, like we were

nowhere near like a car park or anything.

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We were so high up and I was

like, we're just going to end up.

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I had visions of us just coming

out of the cliff somewhere and

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that's the end of the road.

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And so, yeah, and that was like last.

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A couple of years ago, it really was

very, very recent and we do that a lot.

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Eventually it turned us around this

very, very tight bend and we managed

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to find a, the car park where it

took us to, but oh my goodness,

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it was the narrowest of roads.

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And I do tell myself always,

never use the sat nav in Cornwall.

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I still do it sometimes.

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tracey: Yeah,

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kirsty: normally goes wrong.

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But normally that's our,

that's our funny stories.

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They're always me thinking I

know where we're going and then

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sending us down some narrow road.

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tracey: Have you got any words

of advice, any wise words for our

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listeners when it comes to Sat navs?

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kirsty: Normally, I'm very good

actually normally at just checking out

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sort of the last part of the journey.

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So I like to look on Google Maps.

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I'm quite a big sort of, I'm a

planner and that makes me feel good

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if I know where I'm going to end up.

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So normally that's what I would do.

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I would check out where the

end of the journey is on Google

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Maps and that normally helps me.

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And also if you're, um, you know,

just having a good overview of the

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journey as well is always good.

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And then it can make you sort of

realize, okay, that's a really

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narrow road I'm going to go down.

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That's probably not the best one.

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Let's go and find another one.

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Because sat nav really just,

and especially in Cornwall,

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for anybody who ever comes and

drives down here, they don't pay

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attention to the size of the roads.

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They just send you the quickest way,

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tracey: Yep.

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kirsty: which, which isn't so good when

there's a tractor coming the other way.

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tracey: No.

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Oh, lovely.

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That's brilliant.

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Thank you so much for

sharing your stories.

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And I love the fact that your

blogs are all about getting

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lost for your travel blogs.

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I think that's because it just is,

if you're going to go places, it's a

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normal part of life is getting lost.

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But actually that's half

of the adventure, isn't it?

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kirsty: Yeah, it's the story, it's

the adventure, and sometimes you

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have the best things that happen

when you get lost, isn't it?

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So, it's all part of the adventure.

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You're

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tracey: Oh, brilliant.

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Thank you so much, Kirsty.

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Okay.

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kirsty: welcome.

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tracey: So this time, I'm delighted

to introduce Fenella, who's a member

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of one of the business groups that

I'm in, and she volunteered her Sat

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So, To you to introduce who you're a

little bit about what you do, and then

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dive straight into your satin story

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fenella: Hi, so thank you.

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Yes, my name is Mila Hamus, and I

am a trainer of something called

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Neuro Linguistic Programming,

Timeline Therapy and Hypnosis.

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So essentially I train coaches

and leaders to get better results.

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NLP is the art of understanding how

your mind works to make it work for you.

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So that's for them to get better results

for themselves and for other people.

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What I also do though is I coach and

I get people, uh, to get over their

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barriers and especially any type of

fear, which includes PTSD and phobias.

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So funny enough, my um, my Sat Nav

story did actually start from when

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I was up in Manchester attending a

training, weekend from my old trainer.

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I lived down in the south.

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I'm up there in Manchester and I'm

going to go to Sudden Coalfield, which

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is near Birmingham, north somewhere of

Birmingham, and I'm driving, put the

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Sat Nav on to direct me down there,

and then I suddenly realise it's

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going to take me through the M6 toll.

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Now, you don't have to go

through the M6 toll, I know,

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when you're going down that way.

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And I'm thinking, well, I don't want

to pay 6 just for the pleasure of

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going through a road with just a few...

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Cars on it.

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I'm happy to sit in the middle

of the day on a main road.

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And, uh, so what I did was I came off the

motorway and went sort of down the road a

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bit somewhere, somewhere near Birmingham.

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And thought, okay, well, I'll

plug in the sat nav again to

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be able to go on another road.

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So I plugged in the sat nav and because

I was a fair way out, I thought,

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well, it'll probably go another way.

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No, it took me back to the M six

toll . So I wasn't having any of

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that 'cause I did have a bit of time.

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Once again, I went off, uh, off the

motorway, offered another turn off.

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I think I went in nearly into

Birmingham that time and, uh, put

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the Satnav in again and, uh, thought,

okay, well I'll have another go.

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And, uh, started off on

my journey once again.

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And guess what?

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It was not going to let me

go anywhere else except for

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through the, by the M6 toll.

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So by then, I just kind of really,

I was getting really frustrated,

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had no idea because I didn't have

an old map, a map in my, my car.

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And, um, so I had no idea how else to

use it because I had it on my phone.

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When you get all confused like

that, just my head sort of gets

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all frazzled and you can't think.

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So yes, I have to suck it up and go down

through the M6 toll and pay the money.

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So yes, that was just so, so infuriating.

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And that's why I don't really

like using the Sat Nav a lot of

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the time because it takes me ways

that I don't actually want to go.

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And it's not the only

time that that's happened.

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So that's essentially it

forcing me to pay money.

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tracey: Oh dear.

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And it is so frustrating, isn't it?

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Because when you know that there

must be another way as well,

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of course there's another way.

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But, um, so what would you, if you

were doing that journey now, what would

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you do before starting the journey?

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fenella: I'd take a map.

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tracey: Yeah,

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fenella: Seriously, I'd take a

map and I'd mark it out on the map

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because I wouldn't trust the phone.

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Because you know when they start

and you plug it in and you've got

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an idea of where you're going to go.

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Because I don't really know how to

use the sat nav very well or like

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putting pins in or things like that.

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So, you know, when you put it in,

and then it starts telling you to go

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away, so you know you don't want to

go anyway, it kind of winds you up,

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well, it winds me up anyway, when it's

telling me to go places that I don't

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want to go, and it's not listening to me.

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It's one of those things,

talking to machines.

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tracey: yes, I know.

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And do you talk to your sat nav as

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fenella: Oh, yes.

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Oh yes, I, I tell it to shut

up, and then I go, no, I don't

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want to go that way, be quiet.

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tracey: Yes,

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fenella: It's hilarious

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tracey: yes, yes.

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Because they do change course, don't they?

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If you go off in a different direction.

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But you need to know which way to go.

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To the, you know, for it to

then change correctly I think.

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Yeah,

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fenella: the first place.

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Absolutely, because this one,

no way was it going to let me go

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anywhere except for the M6 toll.

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tracey: it was on commission, obviously,

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fenella: Yeah.

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It's a nice quiet road though.

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tracey: Oh, those brilliant.

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Thank you.

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Fan vanilla.

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Oh, that's great.

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And the, yeah, these things, these

are exactly the sort of things that

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can happen with satin ns, aren't they?

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. Thank you for sharing your story.

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fenella: You're very welcome.

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tracey: We put out into a

business group that I'm in,

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asking for funny SatNav stories.

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And one of the people who came

forward with the story was Joe.

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Hi,

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JO: Hi, Tracy.

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How are you?

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tracey: I'm great.

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Thank you.

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And thank you so much for

joining me this afternoon.

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So, Joe, I'm going to hand over

to you and ask you to say who you

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are and what you do, and then just

go straight into your SatNav story.

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JO: Okay.

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Thanks for having me, Tracy.

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I'm Jo Mitchell Hill, and I am an

ADHD therapeutic parenting coach.

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So I work with parents, , who

have ADHD themselves, or

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have children who have ADHD.

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And I work with them.

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Using therapeutic parenting strategies

to help them create a more harmonious

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home environment, better, deeper

relationships between them and the kids.

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I've been doing that for

gosh, a good few years now.

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, absolutely love it.

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And I've helped, you know, quite

a few people along the way.

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tracey: Brilliant

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JO: Thank you.

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So my driving story.

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Last year, my brother, , got married

in Croatia, his wife's Croatian, and,

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that time of year, you can only fly to

certain airports, and then you have to

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drive to wherever you're going, which

is fine, not a problem, because I like

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to drive, driving doesn't bother me.

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I'm Australian.

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I grew up in Australia.

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If you want to get

anywhere, you have to drive.

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So driving doesn't bother me, but it was

the first time in such a long time that.

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I'd done it solo.

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My husband had stayed at home.

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It was just literally

myself and my daughter.

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Like I've driven, , around the UK

with her, but never sort of abroad.

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And it didn't, didn't really worry me

in the slightest, if I'm honest with

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you, other than the fact that I suddenly

realized when I got there that all the

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signs were in Croatian, because they

would be, they wouldn't be in English.

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So not a problem.

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So we drove from Zagreb down

to Rijeka, which was, you know,

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lovely, very straight road.

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It's a toll road.

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It's a straight road, not a problem.

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Everything great.

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We got there, super, stayed there for the

week, had the wedding, and that was great.

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We had to go home.

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We sort of left a little bit later and

we were driving in the evening, which was

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probably my first mistake because yeah,

I probably the least confident driver.

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I think in the evening, I think as I've

gotten older, I know you just get older

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and your eyesight goes, doesn't it?

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So I plugged the phone in for the sat nav.

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And of course it was just.

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It was talking to me, but it

wasn't showing me anything.

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So I'm like, oh, that's really helpful.

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And bless my daughter, she

was only eight at the time.

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And she was like my wing woman.

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And she's like, it's okay, mummy.

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She said, I'll hold the, the thing.

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And she's a very nervous car passenger.

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Cause she'd had a car

accident on the way to school.

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And she'd been quite nervous.

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So this for her was a big thing.

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So anyway, so we're driving

along and I thought this is fine.

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Once I get on the toll road.

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It's, it's a straight drive to Zagreb.

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It's like two hours or something.

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So it's a straight drive

and it's not an issue.

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And we'd booked a hotel for that

night because our flight was

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quite early in the morning, it's

driving around, driving around.

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Remember where I have to

get off and that's great.

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So I've gotten off and the sat nav

kept saying to me, turn left here.

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And I'm like, but there's no

road there and I'm thinking,

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okay, we'll drive around again.

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And of course, again, you know,

all the, signs are in Croatian.

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And I'm thinking, I have

no idea where I'm going.

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If I carry on on this road, what

country am I going to end up in?

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I have no idea, you know,

just that kind of thing.

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Suddenly, suddenly realized I felt really

vulnerable, really, really vulnerable.

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We were kind of skirting

around the airport.

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So we, we, we weren't far from where we

were because the hotel we were staying,

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it was like five minutes from the airport.

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And I thought there's got to be a

petrol station around here somewhere.

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Someone's gotta, you

know, be able to help me.

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And I was trying to.

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Be a little bit jovial because my daughter

was starting to freak out that she

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obviously picked up on the fact that I

was sort of stressing a little bit and

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I was like, you know, singing songs,

clapping my hands, being all like that.

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But I was inside.

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I was like thinking, Oh my

God, what am I going to do?

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Because at some point on our drive back,

this warning light had flashed up on

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the car again, all in all in Croatia.

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And so I had no idea what it said.

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I'm just going to just.

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And it was pelting hard

with rain and it was dark.

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So I'm just thinking, Oh my God.

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So you can imagine.

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So.

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I found, I don't know, like

an Aldi's or something.

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And there was a petrol station.

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So I've parked up, I've run in with her.

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And you know, you get that nervous energy.

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And I've said, can anybody

tell me where this is?

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And they all sort of looked at me.

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The woman at the desk started

speaking to me in Croatian.

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And I was just like, I have

no idea what you're saying.

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And then the two young

girls came out from, Right.

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The store cupboard.

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And they said, you're literally like

five minutes away from this place.

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Go out, turn left.

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I'm thinking left and I

can't find this left street.

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And I said, okay.

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I said, if you're telling me it's five

minutes away, we shall never see each

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other again, because I'll be at the hotel.

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I said, but if I'm back in five, 10

minutes, I said, someone needs to help us.

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So, cause it's getting ridiculous now.

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And I was also conscious of the fact I

hadn't filled the car up because it was

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a high cost, had to fill the car up.

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I still had like half

a tank so I was fine.

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So I drove out, drove around this It

was like a industrial state, I guess.

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And I just said to my

daughter, No, can't find it.

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So I've driven back in.

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And at this point, I have to admit,

I was really, really close to tears.

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Like, really close to tears.

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I thought, I don't know what to do.

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I actually was in that much of a panic.

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I'm usually a very level headed,

very sort of laid back person.

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But at this point, I just

thought, I don't know what to do.

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I'm starting to feel unsafe.

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Because it's nighttime

and it's getting later.

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My daughter's now starting to panic

and I'm not sure and everything in me.

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I'm a parenting coach.

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I say this to parents all the time.

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You know, we've got to be calm.

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We've got to be calm.

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Otherwise we join in the chaos.

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And I'm thinking I'm just

joining in that chaos.

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We're just going to have like tantrums.

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So anyway, I went back in.

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And there was a woman paying for her fuel,

and I said, someone needs to help me.

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Someone needs to show

me where this hotel is.

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And the woman took, the

details of where it was.

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And she said, my husband

is outside in the car.

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said, we'll show you where it is.

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And I said, well, I thought

I could have kissed her.

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She said, you are literally

five minutes away.

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I'm like, yes, everybody tells me I'm

five minutes away from this place.

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So she then got in her car and

I said to her, I'll pay you.

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I'll give you money.

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She's like, don't be ridiculous.

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She said, just get in

the car and follow us.

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So we got in the car, and I still wasn't

calm at all, and I was just like, oh

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please, like then thinking, then thinking,

because you know, we've all seen American

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horror stories and stuff haven't we?

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And going, oh yeah, this is,

this is a really clever thing to

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do Jo, but again thinking, no.

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My whole experience in Croatia to this

point, everyone has been lovely, everyone

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has been more than helpful, and they

were brilliant, and they took us, I never

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would have found it, I don't know where

this left turn was, but it was this kind

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of like dog leg turn and then around

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tracey: Um,

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JO: a suburban thing.

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And they, they sort of stopped

in the hotel was there.

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So, I was ever so grateful ran

out gave her a big hug said

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thank you so much that's amazing.

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They drove off and we went

into the hotel, and I am.

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I spoke to the lady.

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the manager of the hotel.

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And I said to her, look,

I've got a hire car.

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I said, but actually I'm

so nervous and anxious now.

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I don't want to drive

to the airport tomorrow.

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I said, but I've got this hire car.

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I need to get it back to them.

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Some lights flashed up.

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And at that point she just went, no.

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No.

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And I was like, now I grew up,

my dad's family are Polish.

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So I knew, I knew what was coming.

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She's like, no, she said,

you pay for nothing.

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She said, you leave this car here.

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She said, and I will

make them take it back.

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She said, and you will pay for nothing.

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There will be nothing.

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There will be no money

taken out of your account.

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They've given you a bad car, right?

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And she was like, Oh my.

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And I was like, Oh my God.

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Oh, I could kiss you as well.

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So she said to me, I will get you.

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a taxi for free.

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And I was like, Oh my God, this is just

the loveliest country in the world.

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She said, it is literally five minutes.

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There's that five minutes again.

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She said, it's literally five

minutes away, the airport.

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And I said, look, we have

to be there so early.

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I would much rather someone pick us up

and take us then have to worry about it.

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So they'd organized this taxi

for us like the following

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morning for free and everything.

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And she said to me, don't

worry about the car.

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Just leave everything here

that needs to go back with it.

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So don't worry about the fact

that you haven't put fuel in it.

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Don't worry about it.

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Anything like that.

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She said, you will not be charged.

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And she was true to word

because here we are.

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A year later, no one's

ever charged me for it.

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No one's ever contacted me about it.

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So she was, I don't know.

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She, she was obviously very

scary to them and told them off.

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But I have to say it was the most.

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Someone must have been smiling

at me because we got to that

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point where I just thought I

didn't know what I'm going to do.

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If I keep driving, not sure what

country I'm going to end up in.

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Um, and yeah, and we had

these like little, these

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angels that came and saved us.

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So, I guess, you know,

check your SatNav is working.

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That's probably a good thing to do.

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Um, and when you're going, you know,

in a foreign country and maybe make

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sure that, that you can get things

in English if, if at all possible.

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So you know where you're

going and what you're doing.

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But yeah, it hasn't, I say it

hasn't dampened my spirits to drive.

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I, you know, I still like to drive and

I still drive anyway, but there is that

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little bit of nervousness in me in the,

in the back of my mind, I'm just a bit

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like, Oh, do I really want to do this?

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But I keep going, keep going, keep

putting that sat nav in and hope.

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And I've got a friend of mine gave

me a, not that I think it works.

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Um, in Europe, but a friend of mine

gave me another sat nav to download.

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And she said, this one's brilliant.

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She said, this one tells you

if there's any problems and

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it diverts you then around.

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I'm like, it's amazing.

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So, so yeah.

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So I use that one now.

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tracey: brilliant.

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Oh, so really it sounds as if the moral

of the story for you is that being

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better prepared, that idea of actually,

rather than just winging it because

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you feel confident, is regardless of

how confident you feel, to have a

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look, do your research, know where you

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JO: absolutely.

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, but I think also as well, because

everyone was just saying to me,

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Oh, you know how to get back there.

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What I didn't think of was

what I do at the other end.

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tracey: Yeah,

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JO: And yeah, don't don't go in the dark.

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Go during the

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tracey: yeah.

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So during the daytime when you feel

better, but also that thing that people

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are willing to help as well, aren't they?

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When you ask for help.

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So I think anything like that,

finding a shop, finding a petrol

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station, certainly I've done

that when I've got lost in Wales.

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I, um, I just realised, hmm, this

village was not on my list of

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villages I was supposed to be going

through, I've taken a wrong turn.

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And so that's what I did.

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I

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JO: Yeah, yeah.

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And, and I think for my

daughter, it was a good...

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exercise of like, I guess, modeling

to her of like, you know what, there's

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nothing wrong with asking people.

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And actually it's the most sensible thing

to do in the situation that we're in.

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But to go to a petrol station or a

supermarket and ask somebody, you

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know, to places where one, there's

CCTV, so everything's captured on CCTV.

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And two, it's, you know,

it's a public place.

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So it was just, yeah, it wasn't

too late at night, thankfully.

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:

Um, But yeah, it was and, and

just, you know, to say to it, you

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know, we can get through this.

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We can do this.

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It's, it's okay.

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We might be having a slight

panic, but we're all good.

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:

You know, nothing bad's

going to happen to us.

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:

But I think being a mum in that

situation was I reacted completely

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differently to how I think I would

have reacted on my own because I was

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conscious of having, you know, having

her there and having to look after her.

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I had to snap myself out of it

because I just thought this is

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going nowhere, nowhere quickly.

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And we're going to miss our

flight because I'll still be

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driving around tomorrow morning

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tracey: But of course now what you've got

is a story that you probably reel out and

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tell people regularly and laugh about now,

because once it's over and gone with, then

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it becomes just a great story, doesn't it?

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:

JO: yeah, yeah, I do

sort of tell everyone.

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I mean, a friend of mine said to me,

Oh, what did you learn from this?

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I was like, not to travel at nighttime.

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And she said to me, no, not to

go anywhere without your husband.

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And I was like, why

would I want to do that?

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I was

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tracey: no, that's not, that's

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:

JO: I said no, because

it wasn't practical.

721

:

He couldn't come for various reasons.

722

:

I said, so I'm not going

to not go to things.

723

:

I was like, it

724

:

tracey: limiting, wouldn't it?

725

:

No,

726

:

JO: really would.

727

:

tracey: thing.

728

:

JO: It really would.

729

:

And as I said, I'm not, you know,

I've, I've driven all over the world.

730

:

It doesn't bother me.

731

:

I'm the one that drives because my

husband says, I don't like driving

732

:

on the other side of the road.

733

:

And I'm like, well, I don't care.

734

:

I'll just drive wherever.

735

:

So that's never going to be for me.

736

:

But, um, yeah, I'm not that sort of person

that's going to be told like, you can't do

737

:

tracey: Yeah.

738

:

Not to do it.

739

:

No!

740

:

And that probably wasn't the

first time you've got lost.

741

:

You've probably got lost while driving

plenty of times and potentially it might

742

:

not be the last time you get lost either.

743

:

It's just part of driving, isn't it?

744

:

JO: it is.

745

:

I mean, I remember, very quickly, I

remember when I did the first time move

746

:

to Sydney and I had, this is in the

day before Sat Navs, I'd been to Sydney

747

:

once before, and I kind of didn't really

have an idea where my friend lived.

748

:

But again, I found myself driving

over the Sydney Harbour Bridge,

749

:

driving on the outskirts of Sydney

and somehow found her house.

750

:

I was just like, I had a map and

I was a bit like, oh, I think

751

:

that's where I've got to go.

752

:

We'll just give that a go.

753

:

But, you know, I think these

are the adventures, aren't they?

754

:

These are the things that you just

kind of, you go, well, I did it

755

:

and nothing bad happened to me.

756

:

And I'm, You know, here to tell the tales

and maybe be a cautionary tale or maybe

757

:

be a tale of, you know, for somebody else.

758

:

Go, you know, just ask someone there's

always somebody that's willing

759

:

to, as you said, there's always

someone that's willing to help you.

760

:

tracey: There is.

761

:

Definitely.

762

:

Great.

763

:

Oh, well, Jo, thank you so

much for sharing your story.

764

:

I hope everybody's enjoyed listening

to that and can take from it

765

:

something to help them as well.

766

:

So thank you very much.

767

:

JO: You're welcome.

768

:

Thank you.

769

:

audioKevField21980164064: So for

our final story, we wanna welcome

770

:

on one of our friends, Stuart.

771

:

And Stuart.

772

:

I'm gonna hand over to you

to introduce yourself to say

773

:

who you are and what you do.

774

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064:

Okay, fantastic.

775

:

Hello everyone.

776

:

My name is Stuart and I own

a driving school in Glasgow.

777

:

And I own a training company

called Bright Coaching.

778

:

And I'm the head of

engagement for the ADI NGC.

779

:

That's, that's what I do.

780

:

audioKevField21980164064: Fantastic.

781

:

Now, Stuart, we are so grateful

to you for coming on to share

782

:

your sat nav story with us.

783

:

'cause we were part of your sat

nav story, which is obviously

784

:

how we found out about it.

785

:

So, over to you.

786

:

Tell us about your story.

787

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: Tracy

and Kev, not only were you part of my

788

:

SatNav story, you were the cause of

my SatNav story, because if it wasn't

789

:

for you, there would be no story.

790

:

So the story goes that Kev and

Tracy, uh, were up in Glasgow,

791

:

and you know, we go way back.

792

:

We've known each other for many years.

793

:

So as you do, we arranged to

kind of meet for dinner in town.

794

:

And I, uh, very, very generously offered

to come and pick you up from your hotel.

795

:

And drive to the restaurant, because

your hotel was, from memory, about

796

:

maybe 25 minutes, into Glasgow.

797

:

So I'm, I'm from Glasgow.

798

:

Glasgow's, you know, a

reasonably sized city.

799

:

It's quite a large place.

800

:

I'll get my disclaimers

out there right now.

801

:

And it was dark.

802

:

I'll get that disclaimer in there as well.

803

:

I'll tell the story and then, then we can

actually talk about, you know, my excuses.

804

:

Um, so basically I, I jumped in my

car and I had, you told me where you

805

:

were staying and I kind of registered.

806

:

Okay, that's fine.

807

:

I know where that is.

808

:

That's not a problem.

809

:

But every time I jump in my

car, I always, I always use

810

:

my sat nav, even if I'm going.

811

:

Somewhere that I know, um, I always use

my sat nav because one of the things

812

:

it's very good at is the live updates.

813

:

It'll tell you when a road's

blocked or there's, just kind of

814

:

traffic jams because where I live,

there's regularly, diversions in

815

:

place and, and things like that.

816

:

So.

817

:

It was a Saturday night, the roads were

quieter than usual, and I was following

818

:

the sat nav, and after I'd been driving,

I live in the south side of the city,

819

:

I live next to Hampden Park, for those

who know Glasgow, quite close to there.

820

:

, and Tracy and Kev were

staying, north of the river on

821

:

the very kind of far west end.

822

:

Of the city.

823

:

The Wild West, as, as

sometimes referred to up here.

824

:

Um, and that's, that's where I

roughly knew I was heading to.

825

:

But as I'm driving, I'm thinking

about lots of other things because

826

:

I've been working that day.

827

:

And I started thinking to

myself, this is taking me away

828

:

that I've never been before.

829

:

I don't, I don't know this way.

830

:

This is not the way I would have

went if I hadn't put the sat nav on.

831

:

So then you have this, this

is the first thing, isn't it?

832

:

Is the sat nav right?

833

:

Or is the sat nav wrong?

834

:

And this usually happens when

you're on a motorway and it wants

835

:

to take you off because it's

registered a tailback up ahead.

836

:

And I hadn't registered, I'd probably

registered quite late because I was

837

:

distracted, I was thinking about other

things, I kind of thought that I've kind

838

:

of went this far, I'll just trust it now.

839

:

Rather than doubling back,

which would have taken longer.

840

:

It's possible that I was already running

a little bit late in coming to get you.

841

:

Possible, but we'll never know because

I can't remember that far back.

842

:

And then the further I went, as I

said, when we talk about Southside

843

:

in Glasgow, what we mean by that is

south of the river, the River Clyde.

844

:

So I know that at some point I

need to cross the River Clyde.

845

:

And I'm thinking, what

bridge is it taking me to?

846

:

Is there a bridge that I don't know about?

847

:

Between here and the Erskine Bridge,

which is basically out at Loch Lomond.

848

:

These, these are the bridges that

I'm thinking about in my head.

849

:

No, there must, there must be something,

because I can see now in the map, it's

850

:

showing you a way across the river.

851

:

You can actually see a

way across the river.

852

:

And.

853

:

I trusted the satnav said there

must be something that I did not

854

:

know about a bridge that I did not

know about because it's not my

855

:

most familiar side of the city.

856

:

But no, there was no bridge.

857

:

audioKevField21980164064:

What was there, Stuart?

858

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064:

Are you going to use this image

859

:

on, on, on the show notes?

860

:

audioKevField21980164064:

I will put the image on.

861

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: Okay, the,

the, the sat nav, the sat nav had taken me

862

:

to the location of the Renfrew Ferry, and

the Renfrew Ferry, I was going to say for

863

:

those who don't know Glasgow, that, that,

just for those who didn't know, because

864

:

I'm from Glasgow and I didn't know,

the Renfrew Ferry is a passenger ferry.

865

:

It's about the size of my car.

866

:

It's about the size of my car.

867

:

And it only runs between nine

and five or eight and six, only

868

:

runs between eight and six.

869

:

And as you know, this is like

quarter past eight at night.

870

:

I'm coming to try and

pick you up for an 8.

871

:

30 reservation or whatever it is.

872

:

Um, so I then had to pull over and

phone you and say, listen, sorry guys.

873

:

We've got this reservation.

874

:

I'm going to be late and

it's a busy restaurant.

875

:

We've got, we've got this reservation

for this thing because for me to get

876

:

to the Renfrew Ferry, I'm now out west.

877

:

On the side, on the wrong side of the

river, and for me to get back , to a

878

:

bridge, I need to go either to Loch

Lomond, or I need to come back into

879

:

town, which is a 25 minute drive, and

then go 25 minutes west on the north.

880

:

So it's going to take me an hour

to get to you, and then 25 minutes

881

:

back in, we're going to be an

hour and a half late for dinner.

882

:

So we had to just say, listen, you

guys are going to have to jump a

883

:

taxi, and I will get there, you'll

probably be there before me.

884

:

Because I'm lost in my own city.

885

:

Um, and, and that's,

that's my SatNav story.

886

:

But it's, as we were talking about,

it's, it's far more than a SatNav story.

887

:

It's far more than a SatNav story.

888

:

audioKevField21980164064: I

just love the story, Stuart.

889

:

I just love it that it's, you know,

it's, um, I, I love hearing it often,

890

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: yeah,

yeah, I, I got that, I got that, yeah.

891

:

Always here to help.

892

:

But I was thinking about this

before I came on, , today.

893

:

About what we're going to talk

about, and I figured out what

894

:

my first main, , issue was.

895

:

And it's probably on the GDE matrix

under something, but I can't think what

896

:

it would be under, but it was actually

just a little bit of, over familiarity,

897

:

that I'm not going to get lost.

898

:

Kevin, Tracy are up from

Leighton Buzzard in Glasgow.

899

:

I'm not going to be the one who gets lost.

900

:

audioKevField21980164064:

I know where they are

901

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064:

Yeah, so I don't need to do any

902

:

route planning or anything like that.

903

:

And the second thing that contributed to

it was, , I knew that you were staying

904

:

in a hotel next to a hospital out

towards the west and north of the city.

905

:

And there is another, hotel.

906

:

and hospital to the west of the city,

not as far west as you guys were.

907

:

But I probably confused

that somewhere in my mind.

908

:

I would have gone through the

cloud tunnel to get to that.

909

:

So that kind of over , familiarity,

a little bit of, um, confu of

910

:

not, not, not even confusion.

911

:

I just didn't give it enough thought.

912

:

As to where exactly you were

staying, that was, that was

913

:

kind of a vital thing as well.

914

:

aNd then all the kind of more general

things come in that, I was probably

915

:

rushing a bit because I was late.

916

:

I was distracted because it

had been a busy day at work.

917

:

All these things are going on in my head.

918

:

, and yeah, so interesting from

a, you know, this, this, this is

919

:

what we do for a living, guys.

920

:

And it's just so interesting

that I was that guy.

921

:

I was that guy.

922

:

audioKevField21980164064: it's that

thought of, I don't need to worry about

923

:

that because I know what's gonna happen.

924

:

I'm gonna get in the car a certain

time, put the sat nav on and off I go.

925

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: Yeah.

926

:

Yeah.

927

:

I mean, all that, over familiarity

and all that kind of stuff.

928

:

And I'm from Wasco and

these guys are the tourists.

929

:

I, even with all that, I've

also got my sat nav is back up.

930

:

And it all, it all failed.

931

:

It all failed me.

932

:

SO I guess the other thing to add

into that is, In terms of what you

933

:

guys do with confident drivers.

934

:

I remember the point of the approaching

point of, I was going to say no

935

:

return, but the point of inevitable

return, but I had to backtrack.

936

:

Um, I remember.

937

:

starting to tense up and that,

that feeling in my stomach that

938

:

I was going to be late because

I really don't like being late.

939

:

I'm always there, you know, 15 minutes

early, earlier than I need to be.

940

:

aNd I was anxious about the fact that,

A, I was going to be late picking you

941

:

guys up and I could picture you guys

standing outside the hotel waiting for me.

942

:

But I was also anxious about being late

for the reservation at the restaurant.

943

:

So I really don't like.

944

:

being that guy.

945

:

I used to work in

hospitality, maybe it's that.

946

:

And I I could just, I was really

aware of that sensation and then that

947

:

affects your decision making as well.

948

:

I was super conscious of that, the

further away I got from the bridge that

949

:

I, that I should have been aiming for.

950

:

audioKevField21980164064:

Yeah, definitely.

951

:

And that is the truth

for everybody, isn't it?

952

:

When you have that dawning moment

of realization, and then the what

953

:

if thoughts start, and then those,

you know, that fight flight freeze,

954

:

those feelings, the natural feelings

that we all experience, yeah.

955

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: And

then just to build on that anxiety

956

:

kind of thing, did, I, I did get to

the restaurant and you guys did get to

957

:

the restaurant and we met and we had

a lovely meal and none of it mattered.

958

:

None of it mattered.

959

:

So all that stuff that's flying

through my head about, oh no,

960

:

they're going to think I'm an idiot.

961

:

Oh no, the restaurant's

going to be furious.

962

:

All that stuff didn't matter.

963

:

We got there maybe five, 10 minutes

late or whatever, but in the grand

964

:

scheme of things, it did not matter.

965

:

, whereas maybe, uh, and this is where I'm

hopefully going to redeem myself a little

966

:

bit, maybe a less experienced driver would

have been starting to pick up the speed.

967

:

And break the speed limit and

starting to do more dangerous things

968

:

to alleviate that anxiety so that

they didn't, they weren't late.

969

:

And all that kind of stuff.

970

:

sO yeah, just so many interesting

things from such a small story that is

971

:

relevant to the way that we train people.

972

:

The, the way that we train pdis and ADIs.

973

:

but also learner drivers.

974

:

Yeah, really, really valuable

lesson, for me anyway.

975

:

audioKevField21980164064: I think it's

also full license holders as well.

976

:

We do in our training about the,

the sat Nav says, you're gonna

977

:

get there at 10 past nine, but

you've got a reservation at nine.

978

:

You don't like being late.

979

:

What are you gonna do?

980

:

side of things isn't, it comes in

and it's like, are you tempted to

981

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: Yeah.

982

:

So, so working out in your head.

983

:

So if I drive 175 miles an hour, that'll

chalk seven minutes off the journey time.

984

:

Will I, will I get away with that?

985

:

audioKevField21980164064: And

that is, that's the consequences

986

:

that people deal with, isn't it?

987

:

, that's what happens and, trying to

teach those, those coping strategies

988

:

of what can you do in that situation.

989

:

But yeah,

990

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064: Yeah,

991

:

audioKevField21980164064: and it

was a lovely meal as well, so.

992

:

audioStewartLochrie11980164064:

It was a good meal.

993

:

It's a very good restaurant.

994

:

Yeah.

995

:

audioKevField21980164064: And so of course

for us, the reason we were so keen for

996

:

you to share the story is one because

we've started this whole episode, the very

997

:

first story was a fairy story as well.

998

:

So it's nice for us to finish off

with a fairy story at the end.

999

:

Even though it was a passenger

fairy tale, so it's fine.

:

00:46:22,974 --> 00:46:24,140

Yes, very different fairies.

:

00:46:24,141 --> 00:46:30,671

But also it's that thing for us

is that this really can happen

:

00:46:31,261 --> 00:46:33,751

to anybody and it's not a reason.

:

00:46:33,751 --> 00:46:38,261

I mean, you've continued using your sat

nav since, since this happened, clearly.

:

00:46:38,511 --> 00:46:39,401

audioStewartLochrie:

Yeah, absolutely.

:

00:46:39,471 --> 00:46:40,161

Absolutely.

:

00:46:40,221 --> 00:46:45,751

Um, the sat nav is part of everyday

driving for me and I, I know that

:

00:46:46,466 --> 00:46:47,996

It's not always right as well.

:

00:46:48,026 --> 00:46:49,186

That's kind of an important fact.

:

00:46:49,216 --> 00:46:50,816

You get to know your sat nav, don't you?

:

00:46:51,426 --> 00:46:54,296

And you kind of know when you trust it and

when you don't and all that kind of stuff.

:

00:46:55,491 --> 00:46:56,791

audioKevField:

:

00:46:57,771 --> 00:47:00,061

Thank you very much for

sharing your story, Stuart.

:

00:47:00,756 --> 00:47:01,596

audioStewartLochrie:

You're very welcome.

:

00:47:01,901 --> 00:47:02,391

audioKevField:

:

00:47:03,402 --> 00:47:08,352

So just to finish off this podcast

episode, I would just like to thank

:

00:47:08,352 --> 00:47:12,948

everybody who's taken the time out

of their day to participate yeah,

:

00:47:12,948 --> 00:47:18,238

I mean, it's a real compilation of

different stories, and we, yeah,

:

00:47:18,258 --> 00:47:21,218

we're so grateful to people for

sharing those stories with us.

:

00:47:21,468 --> 00:47:25,848

Yeah, and normally Sat Nav stories

are, you know, a bit funny as

:

00:47:25,848 --> 00:47:28,798

well, but they have a serious

connotation to them, don't they?

:

00:47:29,188 --> 00:47:31,158

Potential things that have happened, so.

:

00:47:31,658 --> 00:47:32,018

Thank you.

:

00:47:32,198 --> 00:47:33,318

Yeah, absolutely.

:

00:47:33,328 --> 00:47:37,991

And the idea here of, of asking

people to share their stories wasn't

:

00:47:38,291 --> 00:47:44,241

so that we can highlight mistakes or

to, to laugh at people in any way.

:

00:47:44,261 --> 00:47:49,091

It really was to demonstrate

that these things can happen too.

:

00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,366

anybody.

:

00:47:50,386 --> 00:47:56,446

Now, when I think about us and our

road trips, oh my goodness, Kev,

:

00:47:56,466 --> 00:48:02,556

we have been on so many what we

term our magical mystery tours.

:

00:48:03,426 --> 00:48:05,806

Well, yeah, because I just put

the sat nav on, you know, if it's

:

00:48:05,806 --> 00:48:10,976

somewhere I don't know, I know, I

genuinely know the first half of it.

:

00:48:11,276 --> 00:48:14,616

, and there might be a sat nav

is for if there's road closed

:

00:48:14,646 --> 00:48:16,276

roadworks or whatever traffic.

:

00:48:16,746 --> 00:48:20,166

Um, but the second half is

normally somewhere where we just,

:

00:48:20,666 --> 00:48:22,316

just, just follow it really.

:

00:48:22,806 --> 00:48:25,316

And then we look at it and

we go, yeah, go on then.

:

00:48:25,716 --> 00:48:27,576

It's going to take us 2 minutes shorter.

:

00:48:28,456 --> 00:48:30,746

And we end up in some

weird and wonderful roads.

:

00:48:30,966 --> 00:48:31,966

Yeah, well, you do.

:

00:48:32,286 --> 00:48:36,636

My preference is if it's gonna, if it's

gonna save us less than ten minutes,

:

00:48:36,976 --> 00:48:41,876

let's not bother, let's stay on the main

road, because, um, through experience.

:

00:48:41,986 --> 00:48:44,536

Yeah, it's one of those

things, isn't it, with me?

:

00:48:44,536 --> 00:48:47,156

I just go, come on, let's just follow

it and just see where it ends up.

:

00:48:47,156 --> 00:48:48,136

You're an adventurer.

:

00:48:49,886 --> 00:48:51,681

An explorer, I like to call it.

:

00:48:53,621 --> 00:48:59,491

But, regardless of when it takes you off

the wrong way, we know, we know that we

:

00:48:59,491 --> 00:49:03,331

can't always 100 percent trust the SatNav.

:

00:49:03,332 --> 00:49:08,161

We know that we need to look at road signs

and everything else as well, don't we?

:

00:49:08,161 --> 00:49:14,191

And I think that is the story

behind this is, SatNavs are a

:

00:49:14,191 --> 00:49:16,931

fantastic addition to help people.

:

00:49:16,981 --> 00:49:17,261

Yeah.

:

00:49:17,638 --> 00:49:19,168

But don't rely on them.

:

00:49:19,683 --> 00:49:23,313

You know, you still need to look at road

signs, road markings, that side of things.

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aLso don't trust it's going to

take you the most direct route.

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And it may be that you think,

Yeah, no, I'm not turning there.

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I'll just carry on.

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Because it's, it's what makes

you feel more comfortable.

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The sat nav will still get you back

to that position where you want to be.

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And not to let it put you off.

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No, you carry on using it because

it's a, it's an addition, it's

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something there to help you.

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So, yeah, use it wherever it takes you.

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So we hope that you found that

episode entertaining, interesting.

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We hope you enjoyed it as much as we

enjoyed recording it with everybody

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who came on and helped us out with it.

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And yes, we hope it resonated

with you in some way.

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And maybe you've got a story

that you'd like to share with us,

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then all of our contact details

are in the show notes as always.

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And so all that leaves us to

say is, until next time, have a

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great day, whatever you're doing.

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