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How Ancient Societies Solved the Problem Every Growing Company Faces
Episode 5911th September 2025 • The Mammoth in the Room • Nicolas Pokorny, PhD, MBA
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As your organization grows, you've probably experienced the moment when consensus-based decision-making starts breaking down. What worked for your startup team of 10 suddenly becomes chaos with 100 people. This isn't leadership failure; it's an evolutionary inevitability.  

In this episode, we explore how our ancestors faced this exact challenge thousands of years ago, and why understanding their solution is crucial for modern leaders navigating organizational growth. The transition from egalitarian bands to complex hierarchies wasn't just ancient history but a blueprint for understanding why flat organizational structures eventually failed.  


We’ll discuss why resistance to hierarchy is hardwired into our brains, yet embracing it strategically can be the difference between organizational success and failure. If you're leading any group larger than a campfire circle, you need to know evolutionary forces are still shaping your workplace dynamics.


In this episode:

- Introduction to the evolution of hierarchy

- Efficiency and coordination in large groups through hierarchy

- Transition from egalitarian bands to ancient states

- Modern implications of hierarchical structures



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Resources Used in the Episode: 

Mengistu, H., Huizinga, J., Mouret, J.-B., & Clune, J. (2016). The Evolutionary Origins of Hierarchy. PLoS Computational Biology, 12(6), e1004829.

https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1004829  


Perret, C., Hart, E., & Powers, S. T. (2020). From disorganized equality to efficient hierarchy: how group size drives the evolution of hierarchy in human societies. Proceedings of the Royal Society B, 287(1928), 20200693. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2020.0693 


Turchin, P., & Gavrilets, S. (2009). Evolution of Complex Hierarchical Societies. Social Evolution & History, 8(2), 167–198. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266884396_Evolution_of_Complex_Hierarchical_Societies   


Van Vugt, M., & Smith, J. E. (2019). A dual model of leadership and hierarchy: evolutionary synthesis. Trends in Cognitive Sciences, 23(11), 952–967. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31629633/ 



Get in Touch: 

Website: https://www.mammothleadershipsciences.com    

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolaspokorny 

YouTube: www.youtube.com/@MammothLeadershipSciences   

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