"I should be judged on what I’m doing in my work, not on whether I wear a West Ham shirt to the office." – Alice Hendy MBE

Welcome back to wo0 pod, the unapologetic space where women refuse to be told what to wear or how to run their businesses. Hosted by Wendy Gannon (aka wo0), this podcast is part of Female Five Million—a movement for women who are done dimming their light and playing by outdated rules.

In this episode, Wendy is joined by Alice Hendy MBE—cybersecurity expert, West Ham superfan, and the powerhouse behind Ripple (R;pple) Suicide Prevention, a piece of technology that has now intercepted over 70,000 crisis-level online searches and saved countless lives.

Alice shares how losing her brother Josh was that moment that rewrote her life, and why she built the tech she wished he’d had access to. We also dive into why women are still being judged for their clothes (and tattoos) and learn about Wendy’s - shall we say ‘interesting’ - ink… 

In This Episode:

• How Alice turned personal tragedy into tech that saves lives – Building R;pple from her childhood bedroom
• What Alice, Wendy & Buckers have in a toastie – Are people really talking about toasties enough on podcasts? We think not… 
• Judgement around tattoos and appearance – The time Alice was told she “didn’t look like someone who should have tattoos”... ummm- what?
• Grief, mental health & surviving loss – What it really feels like to lose a sibling
• How men can show up as allies – A shout-out to the men backing Alice’s mission
• Football shirts as power wear – Why Alice’s West Ham shirt makes her feel part of something bigger

About Alice Hendy MBE:

Alice is the founder of Ripple Suicide Prevention, a free browser extension that intercepts harmful searches and offers immediate support to those in crisis. She built Ripple after losing her brother Josh to suicide and has since received an MBE for her work. She’s also a full-time cybersecurity expert, relentless LinkedIn truth-teller, and unapologetic wearer of her beloved West Ham shirt collection.

Connect with Our Guest: Alice Hendy MBE

• Ripple Suicide Prevention: www.ripplesuicideprevention.com
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• LinkedIn: Alice Hendy MBE
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• Honouring Josh’s Memory: Find out more about Josh, his life and the impact he had on those around him

Resources & Mental Health Support

• Samaritans (UK): Call 116 123 (free 24/7)
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• Papyrus HOPELINE247 (for young people): Call 0800 068 4141
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• Ripple Tech Download: Or search “Install Ripple”
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• More support options: An extensive list of support available, accessed via the Ripple platform

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>> Alice Hendy: You have to appear a certain way. And why should you? I

should be judged on what I'm doing in my work and

my output, not on if I want to wear a West

Ham shirt or not. To the office.

>> Wo0: Welcome to don't fucking Tell me what to wear or how

to run my business. This is the

Woo Pod.

>> Alice Hendy: It's intercepted now over

70,000 harmful searches. These aren't

searches where people are typing in mental health or well being. These

are crisis level searches where people don't want to be here

anymore.

>> Wo0: I'm your host, Wendy Gannon, but most people call me Woo.

I'm a photographer, ADHDer,

female advocate, and let's be honest, an all

around legend. Can you tell I didn't write this

script.

This podcast is part of Female5Million, a

movement founded to empower women to step the fuck up,

take control, and unapologetically own their

space. It all started

with some fucking Jebbins LinkedIn post

specific shouting some sexist bullshit about how women should dress

to succeed in business. And you know what?

Stuff like that really me

off. It really me off.

So I posted about it. And that post ignited

something bigger. a nationwide photography project, a full

blown fucking movement. And now this

podcast here on the Woo Pod,

we're raising the voices of women who refuse to be told what to

do. Women who are done playing by the rules and are now

saying, don't fucking tell me what to wear or how to run my

business. If you've ever been told to tone it down,

dress more appropriately or run your business like a

man, fuck that.

Expect raw, unfiltered conversations with women who

have fought through sexism, abuse and

outdated, patriarchal to build success on their

terms. all whilst wearing whatever the fuck they want.

Oh, and there's more swearing than our producer is willing to

beep out. Sorry, Buckers. Speaking of

which, you'll probably hear me ask producer Buckers to chime

in from time to time, because like I give a shit

what she says. We've both got adhd. We bounce well off each

other. Deal with it. We're here

to celebrate women doing business their way and shine a spotlight

on the incredible ways women are fighting back and lifting each other

up. Because to be honest, that's what it's all about

for those who aren't able to speak up right now for

whatever reason. I see you.

Okay, let's crack on then.

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the Woo

Pod. the series of don't tell me what to wear

or how to run my business. Today we're

joined by the absolutely legendary. And I am

going to fangirl all over her, Alice Hendy

MBE, and obviously producer

Buckers. How. How are you doing,

Alice?

>> Alice Hendy: I'm good, thank you. Thank you so much for having me on

here.

>> Wo0: I love you.

>> Alice Hendy: Of all the podcasts and stuff that I've done, I've done

previously, this one appeals the most because I think it's

probably going to be the most real. Yes.

>> Wo0: Hundred percent.

So. So I followed you, known

you for ages. So I used to work in recruitment and I knew you from

the insurance world and then,

when I had my own recruitment company. You

released Ripple, which we'll ask you about in a second,

and I bought a

ticket or something and I won a switch off.

You did win a

switch off, yeah. And I've. Yeah.

And then we've met up a few times. I did. You did the

Ripple Festival in Portsmouth and.

And then you took part in the female 5 million shoot

after I'd. The day after I'd watched you

speak. It just, it just all seems to slot

perfectly into place. It

does. So who are

you and what do you do?

>> Alice Hendy: I am, pretty normal, I would say,

down to earth, standard person.

I have worked in IT and cyber

security now for about 12 years,

so I've spent time working in, the banking

industry, insurance industry, but

always doing cyber security. And I still work

full time at the moment, for a large consultancy

firm running their cyber security programmes

as well. So that's really my bread and butter.

in my spare time, which is fairly

limited, I run my charity

Ripple, which I set up, and

founded in, 2021.

And that keeps me very occupied, all

the time, for sure.

>> Wo0: Definitely. can you tell us what Ripple is?

I've seen you talk about this a couple of times, so if

I start crying, just keep going,

Just keep going.

>> Alice Hendy: So, the, the kind of background information here then

is In

November of 2020, it was a Wednesday,

25th of November, Covid had hit.

Lots of us were in lockdown,

isolated. It was pretty for

most people, to be honest, at that time anyway.

personally, I was in the middle of a divorce at that stage as

well, and I'd moved out of our

family, home and moved back home with my parents into

my childhood bedroom. So not really

where I wanted to be, you know, 30s kind of

thing, really. Little did

I know, though, unfortunately, that life was going to

get a lot worse. And

that happened at, at 5, 28 in the morning

on the 25th of November, when

we received a knock at my parents front door

and two police officers were stood in front of us, which

is never a good sign. They asked to come

in and sat us down. And

very bluntly they say to us, about two hours

ago, we found somebody

who has taken their own life. And

we've identified that person as being your brother

Josh.

So I don't

know how you can really deal with, with that, news. Frankly,

it was almost like somebody had

let a grenade off in the living room. We were all just

sat there in total shock,

silence, didn't know what to do. We got

handed a leaflet by the police and then off they went.

And we just couldn't believe what, what

we've been told. Josh was 21

when he took his life. He was my only

sibling. He was my best mate.

And in the, the weeks that followed

after losing Josh, I became

just obsessed, absolutely

obsessed with going through his

devices and trying to work out why,

what was so bad in Josh's life at that

moment that he believed not being

here was his best route.

And when I did that, went through

his phone, went through his laptop, ah, went through his

tablet. I saw that

he'd been going on the Internet for several months

prior to him ending his life. And he'd been

searching for how he could do it,

horrible searches, you know, how, how can he end his

life, what methods could he use, and so on.

And unfortunately, those searches that

he was conducting were giving him

step by step, instructions,

tips, encouragement,

even pain scales for each method of

suicide to help him make a decision as to what

method he should pick. And

I just couldn't believe actually that this stuff

existed. In my day job in cyber security, I'm

used to seeing horrible stuff and dealing with horrible

people. It's fairly common for me to see what

goes on there. I'd never really come

across this kind of content before. And I was

shocked. And actually it was

Christmas Day of 2020, so exactly a month

after we lost Josh. So everyone else is,

you know, tucking into their roast dinners.

Our Christmas Day went out the window. We were sat there, I think, with

a takeaway on trays. and I just came up with

this idea and I said to my parents,

why is there nothing? If somebody is this desperate and

this low that they're searching for this stuff on the Internet, why

is there nothing out there that intervenes

and signposts them down a different path

and gets to them at that pivotal moment to let them know

that actually there is support available for you?

And so because nothing existed. I decided

to create my own piece of technology which

I called Ripple. I built it

and built the kind of idea and had had the,

the concept worked out really

in my bedroom and I had

absolutely no idea that it would grow into the beast that

it today. Really.

>> Wo0: You're an absolute legend. These things grow

quite quickly, don't they?

Similar. But can you tell us what Ripple does and who

it's for?

>> Alice Hendy: Ripple is a piece of tech and

it can be downloaded as a browser extension, so you can put it

on your browser of choice, Chrome, Edge,

Firefox, Safari, whatever it is you use.

And once downloaded, it means that if somebody was

to go on the Internet and search for something

harmful to do with self harm or

suicide, then the Ripple technology

would interrupt the search, intervene,

it would come up with a breathing exercise

and then it would signpost you to a selection

of mental health resources that you can access

both now and also in the longer term.

It's for everyone. It's for

parents to download for their kids at home,

it's for schools to download for free to

safeguard their students, it's for colleges and

universities to safeguard their students.

It's for businesses to deploy to safeguard their

workforce. It's for charities to put in

place. It really is for everybody.

We've got different versions of Ripple for different

age groups. We can tailor what's on

Ripple to suit the needs of who it is we're dealing

with. And it saves lives and it's simple to

use.

>> Wo0: I got it for Quirk. It was just me working

there. You brilliantly let us have that

and it's wonderful, honestly, it's so

good. I remember last time I saw you do a talk

there were some stats that you said that

could you, do you, do you know those are found.

>> Alice Hendy: There'S 1.2 million Internet

searches that can are conducted every single

month on how to take your

own life. So it just shows

that, you know, if people want to find the answer to something now, they go on the

Internet to find it. And sadly, suicide's no

different. in terms of stats

relating to Ripple, we've now had

2 million downloads of the technology

and it's intercepted now over

70,000 harmful searches.

>> Wo0: Wow.

>> Alice Hendy: which blows my mind. You know, these aren't searches where

people are typing in mental health or well being. These

are crisis level searches where people don't want to

be here anymore. So to know that we've intervened on

that many searches, you know,

considering this is something I started, as I said in My bedroom

with my mum bringing me toasties every couple of hours.

Just, yeah. Unbelievable.

>> Wo0: What do you have in your toasty?

>> Alice Hendy: Well, depends what mood I'm

in's a go to. But if I'm

feeling really edgy, I might do a cheese and

tomato.

>> Wo0: We're having cheese and ham. Cheese and Italian ham for lunch

today.

>> Alice Hendy: I'm not even just ham.

>> Wo0: Italian ham and edam.

>> Alice Hendy: oh, okay. Posh, Posh.

>> Wo0: That was Emily. She

like, yeah, she was like, oh, she's not feeling very well. I

had a tooth out yesterday, My back's hurting. She was like, let

me just order something on Uber Eats. And because it was Monday,

it was like, you get super cheap

vegetables, fruit vegetables on a Monday.

So I just like, I'm gonna do Waitrose. All right,

so we've got Waitrose, Eden,

and Italian, hams.

>> Alice Hendy: So screams class.

>> Wo0: I ain't got no class, girl.

>> Buckers: Just bog standard cheese and Marmite over here.

>> Wo0: Oh, God, I've never had anyone even think that I

might even be a tiny bit classy.

>> Alice Hendy: Well, you've just told me you. You've got your groceries from

Waitrose and you've got Italian ham and e dam in your toasty.

So from my end.

>> Wo0: Okay.

>> Buckers: That's the glamorous life of a podcaster.

>> Alice Hendy: Exactly that.

>> Buckers: Yeah.

>> Wo0: you want to see what I'm wearing from the waist down?

Dirty dog walking

Reebok tracksuit bottoms

and bright yellow socks. So,

yeah. So why

did you get involved with female 5

million or the don't tell me what to Wear or How to

run my business podcast?

>> Alice Hendy: So I love the concept of don't tell me what to

wear. In particular,

I have always worked for

corporates, multinational

corporate banks, insurers and so on.

And there is a certain way that you are supposed to

dress. And

I've never been that person. I've just never,

ever been that person. I've never felt fitted in

with what I should be wearing.

don't mean to say that I go there and I'm really out there, but

I'm just a scruff. I'm just a scruff.

I'm tracksuit bottoms, I'm Crocs,

and more often than not, I'm in a football shirt, to be

honest with you. So telling me to wear, you know, a

blouse and a pencil skirt and

tights and high heels and stuff just doesn't do it for me.

It's just not.

>> Wo0: It doesn't work. It doesn't work.

>> Alice Hendy: It's not me. No. And you know, one of the reasons That

I, I've got the job. Job that I've got now. I. I

asked them specifically to put. To put,

working from home in my contract so that I didn't have to

go and wear clothes that I should

be wearing in the office. So now I'm

lucky enough to wear, you know, tracksuit bottoms, football shirts on a

daily basis. And lo and behold, I can still do my

job.

>> Wo0: Amazing. I think they have like. Do they have, like, dress down

Fridays or something?

>> Alice Hendy: I have dressed down Monday, Tuesday,

Wednesday, Thursday and Friday

usually. Yeah. And if it's a weekend, I don't

usually get dressed at all. It's pyjamas.

>> Wo0: Brilliant. love it. So why do you

think we've got. They've got these

rules.

>> Alice Hendy: It's just a perception that, you know,

you have to appear a certain way and why should you.

I should be judged on what I'm doing in my

work and my output, not on, if I want to

wear a West Ham shirt or not.

>> Wo0: Office hours.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah.

>> Wo0: Is it getting worse? Is it getting better?

I don't know. Like. So obviously we started this

whole project because some dude whose name I can't even

remember said

that for women to be successful, they have to wear

tops up to their neck, jackets look

classy, blah, blah, blah.

>> Alice Hendy: I bet they, ah, have Edam and Italian.

>> Wo0: But they don't. But

they have Itsu sushi.

He also said that if

a woman's got her tongue poked out in her photo,

she deserves, to get unsolicited dick pics sent to

her.

>> Alice Hendy: Wow.

>> Wo0: Wow what? Knob.

>> Alice Hendy: It's just. It's unbelievable. I think it's improved

slightly because so many people now work from

home. Yeah, Covid. I think improved the

situation on that basis for sure.

but, you know, we

don't really tell. Tell men what to wear.

>> Wo0: Absolutely not. Sam Harman. Oh, my

God, I've mentioned her again.

She told me that there's a. I think we

actually spoke about this on the podcast, didn't we? There was, They

did a. Fuck's sake. What?

>> Buckers: It was like. It was a study. Are you talking about the study of the.

The, News anchors.

>> Wo0: News anchors, yeah, yeah.

>> Buckers: Where they did a study over a certain period of time.

It might even have been a year, but essentially

there's like a period of time over which they. They,

had a female news anchor and a male news anchor.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah.

>> Buckers: And the male news anchor wore the same. Same suit for the

whole time. And on one of the days they put the

female news anchor in the Same outfit that she'd

worn before, maybe even the day before or something like that. And they had

complaints about the woman wearing the same

outfit where the man had worn the same outfit

every day.

>> Alice Hendy: There you go. It's just nuts.

>> Wo0: It's so dumb.

>> Alice Hendy: It really is. But I mean,

also, what somebody would class as

smart casual. I

might class as really, really, really

smart.

>> Wo0: I'm with you.

>> Alice Hendy: When somebody says to you, oh, just wear smart

casual, I'm really in my head then

about what I should, what I should wear, because to

me I'm really making an

effort and I'm probably still seen as casual,

you know?

>> Wo0: Yeah.

>> Alice Hendy: So it's. I don't know. I just, I just don't agree with

it. I don't like it. And I think you should judge a person based

on who they are and what they, what they,

achieve and their outputs as opposed to what they look like.

>> Wo0: Hurrah. What about tattoos,

Alice?

>> Alice Hendy: So, that feels like a loaded.

>> Buckers: Question for some reason.

>> Alice Hendy: Knows exactly what she's asking here.

Okay, look, so story M.

I was asked to go onto

a, quite a popular podcast

that will go unnamed with

a, interviewer who

is fairly well known. Fairly well

known, never met this person before.

And yet again I was in the dilemma. What should I wear

to this podcast? Now, on this particular

podcast, I wasn't being filmed. It

was purely audio. Right. So I can wear

whatever I want. So I turned up

wearing.

>> Wo0: Sorry, you can wear whatever you want anyway.

But yeah, go.

>> Alice Hendy: I turned up wearing jeans and and

like a, like a blouse, a blouse thing. But it was very

casual and I have my sleeves rolled

up and I was interviewed by

this individual and I think it went quite

well. And then

I was, I was

blindsided really, with a comment of,

oh, you've got tattoos.

Now, for those who, who don't know,

I've got a whole sleeve of

my right arm tattooed.

>> Wo0: You can see in the female 5 million book.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah. Top to bottom. It's, it's full. And

actually all of my tattoos are, for my

brother. All of them. Every single one of them to me has

got a, ah, meaning or a story behind or

a memory that is, is personal to

me. Now, this comment

was, oh, you've got tattoos. You don't look like

the type of person that should have tattoos.

And I was like, what does a

person look like then? What should

a person look like then? who has tattoos? I don't

understand what you're saying. Oh, you

know, you've Got, you know, you've got an MBE and,

you know, you just. You're just not really the type of person that

I would expect to have an arm full of

tattoos.

>> Wo0: Oh, so weird.

>> Alice Hendy: I just couldn't really believe what. What she was

saying. I just went, well, I do. I've

got a whole sleeve. You know, I've got a whole sleeve. And she

was very taken aback by. By that.

And it just got me thinking, you know what, What?

I. I don't understand that. Is there still a

judgement there of if you've got tattoos, you should be a

certain way? you know, should I be a biker in

leather? And you know what? Should I be

because I've got tattoos? I don't know.

>> Wo0: Yeah, so I, When I did

photos@ted.tedx photos, Alice

Stevenson did a talk there

and, like, I was sobbing. I was like, oh, my

God, it sounds like me. But not because she's a

lawyer and she was a single parent.

She was a single parent and she was saying

that the judgement that she got from being a single parent

was ridiculous and had to try even

harder. And. And I felt the same because I was on my

own with Emily for so long. And, she

has sleeves as well, tattooed

sleeves. And she started going to

work. She was working for the law firm. and she always

had to cover them up. And I'm probably telling this

wrong. I'm so sorry, Alice. And then she started

working for herself and she went to a

client meeting just dressed

normally. And, I think she

apologised for what she was wearing and they were like, no, we've gone.

We've hired you because you're normal.

And it's just. It's just absolutely bonkers that

certain, certain professions

or sectors you have to

wear. Like, they expect you to wear that,

otherwise you're not doing your job properly. It's

just.

>> Alice Hendy: It's not bonkers. It's literally nuts. And

again, what does? Me having tattoos

on my arm. you know,

why should that be a thing for you?

>> Wo0: Crazy horses,

that's why.

Don't know where that come from.

>> Buckers: Also, what year is it? Because, like, you

can't, you know, like, that sounds like the sort of thing

that someone would say to someone 20 years ago.

Oh, you don't look like the type of person to have tattoos.

Yeah, but, like, wake up.

What. What planet are you living on? Everyone

has a tattoo. You're weird if you haven't got a

tattoo.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah, this is the thing. This is the

thing. Oh, yeah.

>> Wo0: So look, it's slightly off

topic here. So I'm obsessed with dicks,

right?

Like, obsessed with that. I see them everywhere. Like,

I used to have an Instagram that was like, hashtag, looks like a

dick. People used to send me the dicks that they saw. You know when

people see smiley faces and things. No, I see dicks

everywhere. A book's been made

about, like it's an

obsession. so I'm yourself, by the way.

>> Alice Hendy: The, weirdest podcast I've ever been on.

>> Buckers: Great. We're doing our job properly.

>> Alice Hendy: Very different. Very different. Yeah.

>> Wo0: So I wanted a dick tattoo, but I didn't want a

dick tattoo, right. So I drew a dick on

my tattoo artist side pad and

she. It's on my forearm. She made

it into this. So I drew the

dick, she made it abstract. So now it's my

Abby dick.

>> Buckers: Hold on.

>> Alice Hendy: Wow.

There's so much going on in my head right now. I don't know what to say first.

>> Buckers: glad it's not just me.

>> Alice Hendy: I think the first thing to say is, nice tattoo.

I love how you've just described that. And now, whenever

anybody sees it, they will now

realise, good. It's

genitalia. Good

on. Good on you, you know, if that. But again, if

that's what you. If that's what you want, why not?

>> Buckers: I see it now.

>> Wo0: Yeah, you see it now?

>> Alice Hendy: I see it now.

>> Buckers: I see it now.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah. Have you told many people about that or

is everyone.

>> Wo0: Everyone? Yeah. Yeah.

>> Buckers: I always thought like, it was a wave, like a

curse.

>> Wo0: There you go.

>> Buckers: But exactly what Alice was saying,

Wendy, though, like, your

tattoos are, yours and yours alone, like,

they're. They're unique, they're quirky, whatever,

they're great. They are nothing to do

with your talent and skill as a

professional photographer.

>> Alice Hendy: Exactly.

>> Wo0: Yeah. I.

I've just

got no words. I don't.

I don't know where a people get off. Like, do

you actually think that?

>> Buckers: I know, it's so.

>> Wo0: It's so weird.

>> Alice Hendy: What? Also so awkward when you actually get

asked the question and you're being filmed

in person, in person

and they're literally going like, pointing

to. To them as if to say, that.

>> Wo0: Was filmed as well.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Wo0: Did they go out?

>> Alice Hendy: No, it was all. It was audio, but I had cameras and

stuff all over. it was.

Yeah, it's really, really surreal and really awkward

because when you're first asked the

question, your immediate reaction is

to. To go back. To go back at

them?

>> Wo0: Did you go back at them, Alice?

I was gonna ask Earlier. But you. Boy, I knew. I knew

that you were.

>> Alice Hendy: So there was, Well, this is a. This is a slight. This is

the same, podcast, the same interviewer.

And when I was first introduced

to this person who was interviewing

me, they said to me,

hi, Alice. Oh,

you're much prettier in person than you are on YouTube.

Aren't.

>> Wo0: What did you say back?

>> Alice Hendy: I said,

you're much prettier on YouTube than you are in person.

>> Wo0: Oh, my God.

>> Buckers: That's the kind of thing that you expect to see. Like, that's the kind

of line from a film.

>> Alice Hendy: It just came out of me without me even thinking.

And this is before we've even done any of the podcasts. And then I

thought, oh, shit, I shouldn't have said that.

>> Buckers: No, they shouldn't have said it.

>> Wo0: They shouldn't have said it.

>> Alice Hendy: I thought. No, actually, you should have. You should have said that because.

Yeah, you know what. What makes you think that

that's an acceptable thing to say to somebody? And again, it

goes back to your. Your appearance and what you're looking like.

What on earth does m. You know, I don't. I haven't got

any makeup on today. I couldn't give less of a

shit what people think I look like. I couldn't. I don't

care. I just.

>> Wo0: Sorry, but your skin's amazing if you ain't got any makeup

on. I haven't got any makeup on either. And I'm

like.

>> Alice Hendy: What? Why?

>> Wo0: Yeah, I don't.

>> Alice Hendy: I'm coming to a podcast where you're going to be filming, you know, and,

recording my voice. What does it matter if. If you

think. If you think I'm pretty or not? I couldn't care

less.

>> Wo0: So rude. So entitled.

>> Alice Hendy: So entitled. Yeah. So this was the same podcast. It was an eventful

morning for me.

>> Wo0: Does it have many listeners?

>> Alice Hendy: Unbelievably, yes.

>> Wo0: We're gonna get more.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah. Unbelievably, yes. But sadly, that

part wasn't included in the. In the recording, because I think I'd

have been thrown out if it had been.

>> Wo0: God, absolutely,

Alice. I know we've been talking a lot about

entitled people and blah, blah, blah, and I do

want everybody to know that we're not man bashing, although it's

not been specifically men today. we don't like

bashing men. And I wonder if you've got any positive

examples of men showing their support for you.

>> Alice Hendy: O. Good question.

>> Wo0: I mean, somebody's literally answered no.

>> Alice Hendy: yeah, I mentioned earlier, I do. I do my work

with Ripple, alongside my full time job

at, at, a consultancy firm.

And I had a very

senior member of staff at

this consultancy firm contact me

quite randomly. You, know what it's like on

teams and you get a message saying, oh, can we set up a call? And I'm

thinking, oh my God. I'm thinking,

what have I done? Instantly like, I've done something

wrong. So I'm really nervous,

have the call and he's actually saying to

me, I've seen stuff that you're doing

with Ripple and, I want to

meet you and go for a coffee with you. And,

this guy, by the way, is like, he's so senior at

this company. He's like, God, right? So for him to

say that he wants to have a coffee with me

is like insane. This guy hasn't got a spare five

minutes.

>> Wo0: Yeah.

>> Alice Hendy: So I'm thinking, oh, my God, this is unbelievable.

Of course we had

a catch up, had a coffee, catch up. And he was like, you know, I want to

get, I want to be involved in the charity in a personal

basis. And he since

a member of my advisory, board for the

charity now and he, he helps me and does work

for me external to our day jobs,

but is really, really supportive of the charity.

So I think that for me was a biggie because

firstly, he's a guy, secondly,

he's really, really senior and thirdly,

he's actually given up his time outside of work, which he probably

has very little of to help a

cause.

>> Wo0: I love that. Do you want to give him a shout out?

>> Alice Hendy: He's called Jit.

>> Wo0: We love you, Jit.

>> Alice Hendy: He's a top, top man.

>> Wo0: You're a legend. And, the last question

that we always ask everybody, Alice, can you

tell us, and I think I know what you're gonna say. Can you tell

us one piece of clothing or outfit

that makes you feel your most powerful slash

beautiful.

>> Alice Hendy: So it just definitely doesn't make me feel beautiful.

But you are, but it does make me feel

powerful. And that is my West Ham,

United football pop.

I've, got several of them. They all make me feel

powerful. They all make me feel part of a

community and part of the club.

M My favourite one is the home one, which

would be the claret and blue

colours. it's got

the crest on the right hand side of

West Ham and London on it.

I've got my favourite player on the back of my

shirt, which is Thomas Suchek,

who I follow every game and,

when I put it on, which is usually when we've got a game, which

is this evening, actually, so I will be putting up. Are you playing

evening Fulham tonight?

>> Wo0: Oh, good luck.

>> Alice Hendy: Yeah, sorry, I

just. I just love it. It gets me excited for the game. It makes me feel

part of something.

>> Wo0: Do you wash it?

>> Alice Hendy: Do I wash my West Ham shirt?

Yep, I do.

>> Wo0: I had a boyfriend that, wouldn't wash his

shirt if they won.

>> Alice Hendy: Did your boyfriend put deodorant on?

>> Wo0: Yeah. Wasn't too bad. Like, if

they. If they lost the next week, he could.

>> Buckers: You could wash it so he wasn't.

>> Alice Hendy: Stinking of Billy Ocean every time he put it on then.

>> Wo0: Billy Ocean.

>> Buckers: I don't get it.

>> Wo0: Bo.

I love you Bucket so much.

>> Buckers: I was like, what?

>> Wo0: Love really hurts without you.

>> Alice Hendy: O.

>> Buckers: I'm sure Billy Ocean smells lovely.

>> Wo0: Oh, me.

>> Alice Hendy: Great.

>> Wo0: Oh, Alice, you're a legend. Thank you so much for coming on. It's been a

real joy.

>> Alice Hendy: Thank you for having me. It's still the weirdest podcast

I've ever been on, and I'm here for it.

>> Wo0: I hope that you are never on one that's

weirder.

>> Buckers: Me too.

>> Alice Hendy: Thank you. I think it will take some doing.

>> Wo0: And obviously we're going to pop all of

your in the show notes. We'll put

Ripple on there. and I guess we

could put a link to West Ham United.

>> Alice Hendy: You could.

>> Buckers: Just in case no one's heard of them.

>> Alice Hendy: You could.

>> Wo0: Just in case.

>> Buckers: If you'd like to stay connected and find out more about West Ham Ham,

please.

>> Alice Hendy: You could do both and go to, West

Ham's. If you type in Ripple on West

Ham's homepage, you'll get the articles

that come up with our partnership.

>> Wo0: How about then

we interview West Ham, for our podcast.

>> Buckers: We get all of them.

>> Wo0: All of them at once. Like,

around my house.

>> Alice Hendy: Good luck.

>> Wo0: You show them your tattoo, I will

show my naked. Show me theirs.

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