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So get ready to unlock your business potential and take it to the next level.
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What if you're not stuck, you're just resisting the decision
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that would change everything?
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We're gonna talk about that and more today with our guest.
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His name is Eric Zajac.
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His company is Easy Livin Coaching.
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So welcome to the show, Eric.
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We're thrilled to have you.
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Why you decided to go into coaching and why you're so passionate
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about helping people make their lives easy and to achieve the
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things that they wanna achieve.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much for that question, right.
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So why does somebody… why does anyone wanna go into coaching?
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It's, it can be very interesting some days.
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Little bit about myself.
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I, former Navy veteran, as well as 25 years working in IT from all different
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levels of information technology.
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As a result, it was causing a debilitating back and sciatic pain on multiple
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occasions in my life, and I'm computer engineer by heart, and engineers
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like to learn things, so I started learning more and more about back pain.
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Discovered the work of Dr. John Sarno- Who was a physician in the 1970s and
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1980s who discovered the mind-body connection, and actually through
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his theories developed what he calls TMS, tension myostasis syndrome.
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And essentially, over years we repress emotions, and we push them down, and we
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push them down, and we push them down.
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And when it gets to a certain point, it bubbles out and it can
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manifest in our bodies as back pain.
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Now, you can imagine as a doctor in the '70s and '80s how his colleagues must
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have thought of him, but he was right.
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So that opening allowed me to start to understand the connection between
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the mind and the body, and I went deeper during the pandemic and learned
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self-hypnosis, 'cause I really was in need of stress relief, like a lot of us were.
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Every time we turned on the news, we didn't know if we
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were gonna catch a cold or die.
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So used self-hypnosis for that stress relief.
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It also taught me lots of other ways, taught me the difference between the
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conscious mind and the subconscious mind.
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And then a couple years later, my daughter, who had started college,
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she was a college golfer, started developing chronic pain, which the
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doctors found to be fibromyalgia.
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We went to a number of doctors to try to help her, and it all
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just ended with the same story.
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And as a result of that, my wife and I didn't know what else to do, and I
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said, "What about this hypnosis?" And I went and got certified as a certified
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hypnotherapist, then layered on transformational mindset methodologies
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from David Bayer's organization, and the two of them blended together
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were having some amazing impact on my daughter, where we were able to discover
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some beliefs that she had deep-rooted.
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And each time her and I would meet, a little bit would improve.
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I can't say it was just like a once, one and done, 'cause it wasn't.
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It was a number of sessions that her and I had together.
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But we got there, and she's made some remarkable improvements since then.
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Wow.
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Is she back to golfing?
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She does, but now she does it more for recreational than for college.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I'm just curious, how did that go?
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'Cause it's not just a coach-client, it's a coach-daughter.
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Yeah, so there is that.
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As any good 18 or 19-year-old is gonna do, they're only gonna take
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so much advice from their parents.
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But she's was very open-minded, and together we discovered some
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beliefs that she didn't know that she had, and when they came out it was
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just like she couldn't unsee them.
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And that's the beauty of this work, is just that when you start to identify
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those beliefs that you've been holding onto for years- It's like you see that
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thing in your face in the mirror, and it's just like every time you go into
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the mirror after, it's, "Oh my God, there it is." And that's, it's one
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of the things I love about this work.
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It's those aha moments that I have with clients.
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It's so fascinating, especially working with your daughter.
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That's so amazing, and I wholeheartedly believe that, and
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it's so interesting that he was way ahead of his time, which I imagine
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was probably something really hard.
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But it was really smart of you to head in that direction.
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I have no doubt that your daughter is a better person today for it, 'cause I
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know I've had 18, 19-year-olds, and they didn't wanna listen to what I had to say.
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You're so right.
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So one of the things you talk about, Eric, is the power of decision
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and how that affects us mentally, physically, and emotionally.
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Can you tell us more about that?
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Sure.
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Let me bring it back to your first question about desire, right?
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'Cause desire really sets the impulse for change, right?
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And then after you have a desire, then you make a decision to
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want to achieve that desire.
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So your question is, may have sounded wrong the way you said it,
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but essentially desire is the setup, decision is, becomes the catalyst
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to really start things in motion.
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So when we think of decision, everything that we do is from a decision, right?
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And what we find is that all the subconscious beliefs that we have
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essentially are a subconscious decision we made when we probably
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were too young to realize it.
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We'll take a lot of your audience members here, business owners.
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Let's say you grew up and you're hearing your parents talk about
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money and money being hard to make.
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Money doesn't grow on trees.
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Another one that I used to hear growing up was, "Oh, he must think
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we're made out of money." Right?
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So you form these beliefs in your head to be able to manage- the,
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what you're hearing on the outside.
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So those beliefs become these hardened things within us.
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And then what I have learned from this work is that those beliefs are nothing
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but a subconscious decision that we made.
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But here's the thing about decisions that's so powerful, and this brings
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it back to the, quote-unquote, power of decision, is these are decisions we
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made, and we can undecide them as well.
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We don't have to believe that money's hard to make for the rest of our lives.
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Instead, we can make a different decision.
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For me, it's water to the sea, money flows to me, was my new decision when
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I realized I had this money belief.
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And then I look for evidence in my life of how money is flowing to me.
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So maybe I just signed a new client.
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Great.
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That's evidence that money is flowing to me.
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Maybe I got a bonus.
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Again, more evidence that money is flowing to me.
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Maybe the bank makes an error and then corrects the error, and as
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a result, I have $200 more in my checking account at the end of the day.
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Again, all just evidence that money flows to me.
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So we look for those beliefs that limit people, and then we help
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them… I help guide them to make new decisions that are more in line
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with whatever it is that they desire.
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How do you get there?
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How do you get them there to recognize the, what they're
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affiliating words or a story with?
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I have two methodologies.
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One is you and I can just sit, and we could talk for a while,
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and I become a reflection of all the things you're saying.
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And then you hear that, we'll call it a lie, right?
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Because at the end of the day, it's not true.
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And as a result of that, and then hearing what I call your unintelligence,
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and I'm not talking about dumb or stupid when I say unintelligent
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here, so let me back that up.
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When I'm talking about intelligence, I'm talking about nature.
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Right, you see a flock of birds flying.
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It's guided by an intelligence.
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You see a school of fish moving together in unison.
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One moves, and they all move together.
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That's intelligence guiding.
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Think about how many times this morning you had to tell
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your heart, heartbeat to beat.
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You didn't.
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Intelligence was guiding the way.
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So unintelligence is any thought that's outside of that
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natural intelligence, right?
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And then so with some of the methodologies I work with, I have an attunement
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known as the two states of being.
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And when you're starting to feel feelings of constriction, right?
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That could be the fear, anger, overwhelm, time feels like it's diminishing, right?
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Those types of things are indications that you're caught
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up in unintelligent thinking.
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My job as a guide here is to help you recognize, okay, so what
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does that feel like when you're saying money is hard to make?
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It may be true for you in the identity that you're living in now, but that
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doesn't have to be true going forward.
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The other methodology I have is I can work with someone in hypnosis, guide
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them down to a very nice, relaxed state, and within this hypno- hypnotic state,
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then I can help them guide to find that belief, find even sometimes the source
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of that belief, change the meaning of the event that, that, that caused them
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to have that belief in the first place.
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And then like dominoes throughout their life, like that meaning has changed
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way back here at the beginning, and it changes all the way consistently
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all the way up to that point.
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There is some integration work that needs to be done, and I have some tools that
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I can help people with those as well.
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It's gotta feel scary but also freeing when people get to that event, and then
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they can start to change what it means.
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Can you share without obviously talking about any person in particular,
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but can you share something that, that was really an aha moment for
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one of your patients or clients?
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Yes.
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I had a business owner who came and saw me because- He was having trouble with guilt
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about even investing in his own business.
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And what he and I did was he was in what I call a rapid recode program.
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So he and I were meeting together just doing pure hypnosis work together, and he
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really wanted to get to the bottom of why do I have this guilt when I spend money?
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He backed it up to an event that happened in his life where he was recklessly
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spending and formed an association of guilt because he was apologizing to
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his wife for spending all that money.
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As a result, every time he pulled out his wallet, he would feel that tinge of
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guilt build up again, "I shouldn't be doing this." We helped-- I helped him
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experience that guilt again and make a new meaning about the guilt, right?
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The event is just the event, right?
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It's the meaning we make about events in our lives that cause
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those beliefs to get formed.
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So as a result of him changing that from guilt and actually talking to his
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younger self spending that money and helping him realize, no, it's okay to
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spend this money But just not foolishly.
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As a result, after that session, he was back off and he invested in a
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program that helped improve his overall company's business, where he was
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doing Medicare consultation before.
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He's still doing Medicare consultation, but now he also invested in a, I think
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it was RSSA program, where now he's able to consult with people, his clients,
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on how to deploy Social Security benefits in the most effective way.
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Wow.
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But he was having trouble investing in that program before we worked together.
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Yeah, it is funny how we all have, thinking back over our lives, the
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things that we've done and then how we beat ourselves up over it, and
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then we don't realize that program that, of beating ourselves up is
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still running in there somewhere.
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We, life moves on, but we don't always, our subconscious mind doesn't always
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move on from the impact of that.
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And that's part of the work I do with them, is just helping
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them recognize, hey, this is a mistake you made back then, right?
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Would the version of yourself make that same mistake today?
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And the answer is usually no.
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Right.
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So if the case is then, why keep beating yourself up over it when you can
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forgive yourself for that past thing, and then sometimes that's enough for
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somebody to real- literally just start shifting their identity right there on
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the spot from this person that feels guilty about spending money to, "No, I'm
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making an investment for the future."
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Yeah, I love that you talk about identity, because that's, has so much to do with it.
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Who do you think you are and who are you acting like?
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We try to empower our clients who join our bookkeeping program that
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it's not just about bookkeeping, it's about embracing that you are the chief
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financial officer of your business.
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You have to take that role, and that needs to be part of your identity.
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But what you do fascinates me too, because a lot of it gets established
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when you're really young, really young.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I guess as a parent you don't think about that when your kids are that little.
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And it's very hard to manage that.
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I think they're just gonna pull out what they're gonna pull out, aren't they?
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It's just gonna stick what's gonna stick.
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Yeah, so before age seven, and this is what the science tells us, is that
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essentially we're in this brainwave, brainwave state known as theta.
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Right?
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So you hear psychologists and psychiatrists talking about kids
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are like sponges up until a certain age, and they're 100% right.
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So about age seven, we start forming the prefrontal cortex of our brains, and at
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that point there we're more conscious.
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But up until that point, we're in this theta brainwave state, which
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is essentially just means our brainwaves are slower and we're more
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perceptible to the world so that we can learn how to live, right?
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So think about it from an evolution standpoint, right?
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We grew up on the savanna.
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We had to basically learn by watching others, and that's how our brains evolve.
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But in this day and age, it's not as effective to be watching our
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parents coming home from work, griping about work, because we do.
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We have mirror neurons, and we mimic what we see.
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Yeah, and if someone's had a lot of trauma under the age of seven, that's a… I
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guess that's something they have to go back and figure out and work on, correct?
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Because again, like you said, we're sponges at that age.
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We're not able to filter out what should and shouldn't come in or out.
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At that age, are we actually making conscious decisions about what we
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choose to believe, or are we just believing whatever we're seeing?
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That's a good question.
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I, I've seen this before with some of my clients of where they grew
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up in an abusive household growing up, and they form an association
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that it's not safe to speak up.
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And so my work with them has been going back to that event originally, giving
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that younger self love, which is hugely important, and allowing that person
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to forgive the person that caused the trauma, because essentially that person
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didn't know any better either, right?
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Pretty much everything that we're doing, and everybody you meet out in
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the street, they're all just reacting and responding from the level of
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consciousness they're in, right?
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Their awareness.
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So if somebody grew up in an abusive household, I'm not saying it's okay,
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but I'm just saying you can kind of see why they have the reactions
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and responses that they do to life.
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Yeah.
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That saying hurt people, and understanding that… And I think
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that's what's so amazing about entrepreneurs and business owners is
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I think we're conscious enough to know that we want to improve those things.
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And I think that's one of the things I love about being in this space is
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that we know we're doing the best we can do in the, on most days, but
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we also know that there's work to be done, like working with someone like
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you, to figure out how we can clear the traumas or the other, the beliefs
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so that we can improve and be better.
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And I think that's one of the things I love so much about entrepreneurialship
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is people are… And they're also open to talk about this.
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So are a lot of your clients business owners?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I love that.
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And the other thing too, a lot of my work with them is just teaching them that
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you have everything you need already.
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Essentially, my work with them is just helping them identify- And either
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transform or dissolve the resistance they have to getting what it is that they want.
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Working with the subconscious mind the way you do, that's what gives lasting results?
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Is that kind of the power behind it?
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Exactly.
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So when you're working in the subconscious mind, that's the home of where our
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beliefs, our patterns, our habits, all those bad memories, that's where they
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all reside is in the subconscious mind.
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You don't typically have direct access to your subconscious mind.
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You and I talking right now, we're in what's known as a beta brainwave
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state, and that's focused more on the prefrontal cortex, and you and I are just
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having a talk at the conscious level.
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When we're talking about the subconscious mind, we're right at the root of those
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limitations and resistance that we have.
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So when you transform it and dissolve it right there, you're essentially
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just dissolving it right at the root.
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There's no more problem anymore after that root has been transformed or dissolved.
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Do you find that people, when they get to the core of one issue,
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they're… Do they… Are they ready to move on to other issues?
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So do you find- Mm … that people are doing the work, like they…
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Like you said, they can resolve one thing and get to the core of that.
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Do you feel like that then opens them up to be maybe a little bit more conscious or
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willing to work on other things as well?
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Yes.
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What I have seen is that you clear this essentially a surface level belief, and
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it's like that brings up the opportunity to clear the next thing underneath it.
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And then as you get deeper and deeper, it's like you're seeing
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lives transform right there.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes you just gotta get rid of the, those surface level beliefs
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first to really get down to the core.
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Yeah.
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It's almost like being forgiven for something, you know what I mean?
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Something you've carried around for so long.
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Maybe you thought someone was upset with you or … And them saying, "No, I'm not
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upset with you," and it kind of dissolve.
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That's what I'm imagining it.
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Is that kind of how it works?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Imagine in kindergarten, right?
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Little Susie was supposed to meet you at the water fountain, and little Susie
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got, had to go to the bathroom, and you went to the water fountain, little
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Susie didn't show up, and as a result, your brain just developed this belief of
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it's not okay to trust people, and you carry that belief for the rest of your
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life until you're ready to take it on.
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And that's what I'm here to help people do, is just take that on.
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Wow.
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We're so grateful for people like you.
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And I love that it … I love, like Kirsten said, this entrepreneurial
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space because so many of us are taking what we've learned, the hard
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lessons that we've learned, and then expanding them and then helping others.
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We're so grateful for people like you helping others, Eric.
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And you two are helping people as well, right?
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We're trying.
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Big time.
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So- And honestly, we joke because, talk about trauma and things we
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don't like, money has a lot of shame and guilt for a lot of people.
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And sometimes when you think about something like bookkeeping,
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we don't enjoy doing it, we hate it, it causes us anxiety.
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Sometimes it's hard to recognize that there are people who
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actually love doing bookkeeping.
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That's their jam.
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That's their superpower.
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And it's so exciting when we see someone to, when they fully get
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that, when they're, when they start working with a bookkeeper and they're
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like, "This person's excited to do this, and they love doing this."
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And it changes the feeling about delegating, because I think sometimes
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when we find something stressful or causes us a lot of anxiety, we
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can't really imagine that someone else enjoys doing those things.
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Right.
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And if you're coming in with the energy of, "I hate doing this," guess what?
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Yes.
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You're probably not gonna be as effective and efficient as
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somebody who loves doing it.
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Yes.
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They're gonna find all the little nicks and knacks that you would've missed.
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Yes, exactly.
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Oh my gosh.
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Sure.
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Eric, I know there's a lot of people listening who are saying, "Okay, I
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need to talk to him." What is the best way for people to reach out to you?
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Best way to reach out to me is probably just by email.
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I'm Eric, E-R-I-C, @ezlivi- .biz.
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That's [email protected] .
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Or check out my services out www.ezlivincoaching.com.
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Okay.
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Yeah, we'll put that all in the show notes.
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So we, we love, love hearing about y- people like you
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who are helping people heal.
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And some people might think they're kind of new modalities,
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and I guess in some ways they are.
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I wish we had them a long time ago.
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But it's good that we have them now and we're using them now.
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So thank you so much for joining us today.
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Oh, thank you very much for the time and having me on your show.
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