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if you're ready to finally turn Instagram
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video ads into real results
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this episode is for you
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it's gonna break down exactly what to run
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what to avoid
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and how to craft an offer that actually converts
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so our guest today I'm excited to introduce you to
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his name is Brady Sticker
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his company is Church Candy
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I love that name and we look forward to having you
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and learning more from you Brady
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thanks for coming yes
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of course Jenny
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I'm so excited to be here with you guys today
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well Brady
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I always love to ask this question first
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how did you end up in the place
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where you are with church candy and running ads
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what was your journey to get here
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yeah it's a great question
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I get that a lot'cause I'm very young for where I'm at
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at life I got married at 19
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and you don't typically see that with my generation
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I'm 27 years old I have two wonderful kids and yeah
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so I was actually a pastor
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over the youth ministry at my church
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and it was a smaller church
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so they couldn't afford to pay me
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so I had a day job
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and that day job was actually running ads
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for chiropractors
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I worked for a marketing agency that did that
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that my dad actually started
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and throughout that season
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my pastor asked me one day he's like Brady like uh
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is there a way you could take kind of
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what you learn from your day job
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and help us out at the church
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and we wanna greet some people in the city
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invite people to church
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with some social media campaigns
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I was like yeah
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absolutely let's do it and it took a while
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like the first $500 our church spent on ads
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no one showed up from it
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I was I was embarrassed and I I was like okay
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this is not gonna work but luckily
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my pastor didn't give up on me and we kept trying it
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and eventually like
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we got things ironed out
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and we started seeing new families visit our church
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and then all of a sudden
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I started getting phone calls from other pastors
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in other cities asking if I could help them too
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and so today we've served over 1,000 churches
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and we say that
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we're on a mission
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to connect a million people to a local church
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and we track that every single week
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we have now connected over 300,000 people to churches
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all across the country
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what a great impact you're making
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that's amazing yeah
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and I think I live in Florida
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we joke that nobody is actually from Florida
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everybody moves here and I know for a lot of people
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that's the first thing that they're working on
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figuring out is what church to go to
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so do you have a lot of Florida clients
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oh we have clients all over
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like it's funny
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I had my team make a map of everywhere we have churches
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you would think it would mainly be in the south
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or the Bible Belt but it's everywhere
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we've got churches in Miami
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we've got churches in Seattle
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churches all across the east and West Coast California
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New England so it's really cool to see how God's using
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you know church
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candy to impact so many people all across the country
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awesome now
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do you only run ads for churches
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or do you run ads for other businesses
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so the company only runs ads for churches
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I do take on some high ticket coaching clients
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where I help set up your ads for your business
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that's at a lot larger scale
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and that basically came across
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whenever I would always tell people no
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and then someone was like well
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everyone has a price and I was like alright
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well let's let's chat about that
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so I do take on a handful of those clients
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but for the most part it's just churches okay
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so for all of you listening out there
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let your pastors know about
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Brady and his ads that he runs
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who knows maybe your church could grow that way
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so I love this so what are some of the you know
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when you first are gonna run an ad campaign
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what are some of the things that you need to do
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right off the bat yeah
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I mean for me
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we've grown our business
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like the way we've reached pastors
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the No. 1 lead source for us is
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Instagram and Facebook ads
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and so this is something that yes
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we do for our clients
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but we know for us really really well
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and I think like
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if you're just wanting to start running ads
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the thing that you need to focus on is
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how do you make the ads not look like ads
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like that's what we have found that works the best
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if like it doesn't look like an ad
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because here's the thing like
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if people are on social media
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and they come across your ad well
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if it's obviously
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you're just trying to sell them something
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what do they do they're just gonna swipe away right
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like they're not gonna stop it
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but if you can
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get them engaged and hooked at the very beginning
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and it doesn't obviously come across right away that
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like oh this is obviously an ad
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Brady's trying to sell me something
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you're going to see way better results with your ads
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like for us
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all of our ads that we run for our business
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are focused on filling up a calendar with like
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sales appointments sales calls
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and what we have found that works best are ads
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instead of me just running my mouth to the camera
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like this
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it's ads of our clients talking about the results
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we've gotten them where it's
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so I actually host a podcast
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and I've started doing it all in person
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and here's why
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it's actually I record right here in the studio
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the reason why I do the podcast in person
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I'll fly one of our clients out here
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it gets expensive but it's worth it
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because I have just found that a video of someone on
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like a podcast clip
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because people are already used to seeing podcast
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clips on social media it performs really really well
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and so if I sit down with a client and interview them
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ask them their story tell them you you know
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just ask a them to tell their story
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and then we talk about like
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how our business has impacted their ministry
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and then they talk about all the new guests
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they've gotten all the growth they've gotten
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whenever they have one of these podcast microphones
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and they're looking off to the side and they're saying
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yeah the No. 1 thing we did to grow our church was
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use church candy
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that doesn't look like an ad comparatively nothing
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obviously I love all podcast shapes and sizes
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I'm literally doing a virtual podcast right now
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but if I only did virtual
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and the pastor's looking into the camera and says yeah
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the No. 1 thing we did to grow our church is use church
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candy it just doesn't have the same feel
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because I'm looking directly into the camera
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that could be an actor that I paid for all we know
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but there's when your ads don't look like ads
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there's a sense of authenticity
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and that's why I love using like podcast clips
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and just like
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authentic testimonials have just worked really
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really well for us
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booking calls for our marketing agency
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so great to come up with like something so small
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like looking away from the camera
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that has such a great impact
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yeah we've tested all sorts of
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I'm embarrassed
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and I don't want to say how much we have spent on ads
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this year
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but it is in the six figures and it's only September
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so we have like really found
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what has worked to get service based businesses
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new clients cause we did it for our business
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and so I struggle with a
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lot of other entrepreneurs as far as like
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shiny object syndrome so
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it makes me want to now start helping other businesses
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too but I've got to I stay focused
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I always remind myself Steve Jobs used to say
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focus is saying no to good ideas
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but like I said to everyone's got a price
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so if you do want me to help you with this
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shoot me a DM on Instagram
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and maybe it'd be a good fit
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but most likely I'm gonna say no haha
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but I love that that's also about the
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the whole thing that you have your niche
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you know who you can help the most
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and you're really focused on that
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and it's also your heart right
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like helping churches bringing new families
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so absolutely makes sense
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so what are some of the three
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3 key points to build a better ad
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like you know if you're helping people figure out like
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what type of ad should they create
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obviously the video ads having your customers in them
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but what are some other things that they can
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do to build great ads yeah
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I I always tell people like
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you need to look at the 3 p's the people
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pain and promise right
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so people would be who are you showing this ad to right
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what we have found
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that works best for actually targeting
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the people that I wanna reach
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which would be like
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lead and executive pastors of churches
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there's a strategy called retargeting
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this is like what Amazon does
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like if you're on Amazon
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and you're looking at a cool podcast microphone
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like this then you go to Instagram
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and you see ads for this microphone
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that's not a coincidence right
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Amazon knows that you're interested in this
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so they're gonna target you directly with ads
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so what we do and we do this for our clients too
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it's really easy
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you just set up the meta pixel on your website
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and it allows you to build
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like a custom
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audience of people that have been to your website
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we already get a lot of organic traffic to our website
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just from referrals or people that watch our podcast
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or even people that like engage with us on Instagram
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we're able to show them more ads
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but so
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we'll show ads to people that are already interested
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right and that has a higher likelihood of converting
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why well
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cause they already know you
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that that trust has already been built
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are they qualified
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and the people that you're showing the ads to
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can they actually afford your services
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are they a good fit for your program
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I'll tell you this we turn away
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probably close to 100 churches every single month
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just cause we're not a good fit
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like they can't
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there's no way they could afford us like
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and and I would even tell them like
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if it was my brother
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that was the pastor of that church is like look
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I love what you're doing
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you guys don't need Instagram Facebook ads right now
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there's some other things
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like if it's just like
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three people to meet in the living room
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I love that but like
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you're not at the stage where you need
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Instagram and Facebook ads right now right
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and maybe like thinking through this okay
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maybe we need to have like a down sell or something
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if I'm turning away 100 churches a month
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like maybe we need to have a a better uh
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lower ticket
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or some kind of coaching or something for them
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but regardless of the people right
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so what we do on our ads is
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before they even see a calendar
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we ask them questions and based on those questions
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we either show them a calendar
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or we have just like a bunch of free resources
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for small churches I
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this reminds me I actually tried to sell it
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it was like 100 bucks and you get all of this
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and then people would leave comments like
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oh they're just after the money and it's like
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no like the hundred dollars for us doesn't mean much
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it's just covering the ad spend
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that we spent on the ads for you to even go there
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so I was like whatever
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we'll just give it away for free
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so are they No. 1 people who are you showing it to
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how are you showing it to them
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with your targeting and are they qualified people
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then pain right
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what is keeping your Avatar up at night right
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like what are the biggest problems that they have
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if you're doing b to B
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what's the biggest problems they have in their business
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or for like us a lot of churches they throughout covid
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this was great for us because we started in like 2021
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2022 a lot of churches were empty
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they were on decline they they needed to get people in
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and so that was what was keeping pastors up at night
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it's like we need to reach people like people are lost
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like we've gotta we've gotta reach our city
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for us as a marketing agency
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it's like I gotta get new clients
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I gotta keep my clients like
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these are the problems
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that I have as a marketing agency owner right
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so you gotta think of what's the pain
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what are the problems that your audience has
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and then that's gonna help you build an effective ad
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because you want to
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enter that conversation that they're already having
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in their head right
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like if they're already thinking about like man
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this is what's keeping me up at night
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and they see one of your ads
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it's gonna convert really
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really well why
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but guys you're speaking their language right
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you're entering that conversation
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they're already having in their head
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and then the last one is promise right
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a lot of the times I will like
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over explain
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like add strategy and the targeting and all of this
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and I'm selling the drill
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not the hole you know what I mean
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like I
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I need to focus more
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and we found that ads that get the best results are
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whenever it's testimonials of our clients
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or podcast clips those outperform
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the videos
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where I'm talking about our unique strategies
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and how it works
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no one cares about that at the end of the day
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at the end of the day
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like they wanna know what's the promise
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what are the results that I'm gonna see from this right
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and so if you can just keep those three things in mind
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the people that you're showing the ads to
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the pain
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the problems that are keeping them up at night
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and then focus on that promise
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how you're going to help them
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get from point a to point B
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then you're gonna have a really
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well performing ad campaign
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Brady let me tell you
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both of us are very good at selling drills
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and not holes well
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I should say we try really hard to sell drills
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but we really should be selling holes
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I think that that's a hard thing for a lot of us to do
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right
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so it's it's those benefits it's what you can you know
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what you can get out of what we're selling to you
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do you have any more tips around that
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because I do feel like that's something a lot
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of business owners struggle with
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yeah I mean
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it's almost like if you were a travel agent
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you wanna sell Maui right
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you don't wanna sell oh
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you've got a 7:00am flight
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and you don't have TSA Precheck
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so that means
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you're getting to the airport two hours early
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so you gotta be at the airport at five
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that means you gotta wake up probably at like
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4:30 or 4:00am pack up the bags
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load the kids and you can't afford first class
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so you're sitting in coach with
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next to
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two people that probably didn't put deodorant on
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and then you're on the plane
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you're going it right
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that's selling the drill you know what I mean
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yeah you don't wanna sell the flight to Maui
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you wanna sell sitting on the beach
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you wanna sell the relaxation right
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and so even in like
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like practically like in our headlines
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we don't say like Facebook ads for churches
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no we'll say how to get new guests with social media
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or the average church we work with is getting 20 to 50
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new visitors every month right
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like we focus on that result
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and then the same thing too with like the testimonial
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so whenever I'm coaching like my video editors like
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okay
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if a client sends a testimonial or we record a podcast
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here's what to look for when you're clipping the ads
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look for the specific results
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it's great if they say like
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we love church candy the customer service is great
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Brady's an awesome guy the team's amazing
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sure all of that is good to have
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but I wanna hear the yeah
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our church went from 100 people
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to 200 people in one year
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and the only thing we were doing for outreach
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was social media ads
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like
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those are the kind of things that we want to look for
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and that's selling the promise
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right rather than selling the drill
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selling the hole rather than the drill
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it's funny because
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I was having a conversation earlier today
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with someone who
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helps businesses come up with an exit strategy
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we know so many businesses don't sell
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and they end up just closing up
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but we were talking about the fact that you need to
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prepare to sell your business
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and he said I often compare it to a house
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and people seem to understand that
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someone comes in to view the house
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that they want to buy from you
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and they're like well
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how's the plumbing oh
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that hasn't worked for years
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what about the kitchen oh
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we we took the stove out because we never cook
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so you're kind of
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pointing out
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all the things that are wrong with the house
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because you haven't bothered to keep it up
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and he says it's like a business
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if you want to sell your house for the most money
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you need to keep it up
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and you need to make it most desirable for most people
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and I thought that was a really good analogy
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and I loved your analogy as well is
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is thinking about how people can really
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visualize the results that they want
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and give them examples that can make them a comparison
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so they can understand
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what the outcome really could be
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and why it could be that way yeah
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absolutely so
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what are some things that people should absolutely do
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we talked a little bit about this already
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but some things that they shouldn't do
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when they're gonna run video ads
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so don't make them look like ads
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you want to make them look like
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just like an organic Instagram reel
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so like real practical
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like don't record your videos like this
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record them like this right
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I would recommend do some R&D
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go to Instagram
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and start consuming some Instagram reels
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uh now careful
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cause they'll trap you in
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and it's like two hours later
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it's like oh my gosh
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I've been researching and it's like no
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you've just been zooming scrolling like for me
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it's like barbecue and football videos
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I'll sit there for hours just watching that
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what that'll do is
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it'll allow you to see what are the types of formats
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the editing styles
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that people are already using on Instagram reels
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and you wanna make your ads look like that
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so just like really practically
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you don't want it to make look like a commercial right
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it's okay if you wanna use a fancy camera like this
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that I'm using here on this call
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but like turn it sideways
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that way it's vertical
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and it is the same aspect ratio as an Instagram reel
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so you want it to actually look
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organic in your editing style
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and then another thing is
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you don't wanna just make one variation
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so this is something that we like coach our clients on
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is record a video
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and then when you're done recording that video
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record three different hooks
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like that way
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we're able to split test what's performing the best
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you don't have to re record the whole video
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cause like the base ad can stay the same
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but if you're gonna do split tests
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instead of split testing
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two completely different videos
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split test
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the thing that's going to be the biggest needle mover
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and that's not just like the bulk of the video no
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the biggest needle mover is gonna be your hook right
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that's gonna get someone to stop scrolling
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so for example we tell our clients
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record three hooks one that's focused on faith
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one that's focused on family
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and one that's focused on community
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I wish I had another F Word fellowship
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there we go three FS so the faith is like hey
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are you looking to grow your relationship with God
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are you looking for a new church in the Houston area
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right that would be a faith focused hook
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the family one would be like
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maybe talking about cultures like hey
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do you want
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to raise your kids in a way that is based on the Bible
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and what you're looking around culture
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and you don't know what they're learning in school
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yada yada right
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that's one kind of maybe around family
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and then fellowship or community
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it's like hey
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doing life alone is no fun
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that's why here at our church
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we're all about fellowship
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we're all about community right
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so you can split test those three different hooks
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the rest of the video
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just inviting people to church is the exact same
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so what we'll do is
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I'll have a montage of testimonial videos
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where it's just 3 to 5 seconds
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of a client talking about how much they love us
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going back to back to back to back
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but I will record different hooks of myself
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whether it's like hey churches
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can your church handle new families visiting
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and then it just immediately cuts to testimonial
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testimonial testimonial testimonial um
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and I would just
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record different versions or variations
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of that hook then we'll split test that right
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and so and that kind of brings me to another thing
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I feel like a lot of service based businesses
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dramatically
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undervalue the power of testimonial videos
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like I've got a friend he runs a huge business
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they it's a digital marketing agency
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they do more like SEO and website stuff
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but they have like 400 clients
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but they have like seven testimonial videos
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and it's like what like no
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so like what
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I do is like we have a a team of account managers
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I incentivize them to get those videos
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whether it's on zoom calls like this
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and then we coach them on you know hey
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if a client says something awesome be like hey
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do you mind if I press record
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and you tell me that again
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so we can use that to help reach other people right
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or do something to where it's like hey
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if you send us a testimonial video
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you get this bonus thing like for us
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sometimes we'll do a text message campaign
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where we send out a mass text to your list
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inviting them to your falls around the corner
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so like
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your fall festival
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or trunk or treat that your church is doing
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or just some sort of bonus value that they get
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if they send in a testimonial video
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and then you leverage that testimonial video
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to get new clients cause like I've always said
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like this is how we've grown our business
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is when we get a new client
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we try to get them really really good results
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and when once we get them really good results
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we
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we document that in a testimonial video or a podcast
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and then from there we leverage that in our marketing
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we we leverage what the results
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we got them in our marketing
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and then we use that in our marketing
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to now get a new client
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and then once we get that new client
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what do we do oh
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we get them result and then it just repeats
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that's just the cycle that we've used to
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to grow our business
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to have served over 1,000 churches
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that is amazing fantastic
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I wanna talk if I might just go back to the hook yeah
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it sounded
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like you put the hook in the middle of the video
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is that right no
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the hook's gonna be at the beginning sorry yeah
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your hooks at the very beginning
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so
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you'll have a hook that gets someone to stop scrolling
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and then the body is the same
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so we divide our video ads into three parts hook body
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CTA called action and typically
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the body and called action are gonna be the same
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throughout ads that we're running
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our creatives
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the things that will split test are the hooks yeah
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that's I think so many people forget the CTAs
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don't they yeah
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no give them a next step right
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or give them 12 you can do this or this or this or this
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I think that's no give
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give them give them one next step like
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and if it's an ad it's like
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tap below to claim the freebie or schedule
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discovery call or whatever that next step would be
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well awesome yeah
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this has been fantastic
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thank you so much for sharing all of this
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now
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I know there are people listening and they're going
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okay well
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I need to talk to him haha cause I need his help
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so what is the best way for them to reach out to you
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uh yeah
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I'm most active on Instagram
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just at Brady sticker on there
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shoot me a DM I respond to every single one
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unless it's just like spam
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and I'd be happy to help you out there
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lovely Brady
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I want another little call to action for everybody here
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remember if your church is trying to grow
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maybe you could introduce Brady to your pastor
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because that's who he really focuses on helping
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as are the churches
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and I'm gonna mention your name to someone I
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who is very active in her church
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I'm talking to this weekend
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so I think what you're doing is amazing amazing
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I love it yeah
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you can send them to church candy.com
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check out one of our I think
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we have probably close to 100 testimonial videos now
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so we'd love to serve any churches out there
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well thank you so much for joining us today Brady
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you have shared so many great tips and ideas
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and suggestions that I know anybody
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listening is going to walk away with
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some great information so thanks for joining us today
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hey thank you guys so much for having me
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I hope I was able to give some value to your audience
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thanks for listening to the 6 figure
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:
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Business Mastery podcast
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if you enjoyed listening to this episode
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00:22:34
and you are ready to leverage video marketing
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