In this episode of The Conscious Home Podcast, Blanche sits down with Hesta Prynn, internationally acclaimed DJ, radio host, and licensed therapist, for a conversation that moves between the dance floor and the therapy room and somehow makes them feel like the same place. This conversation goes there.

The dance floor as a portal, music as the first language, and what it means to trust the signal before you have the strategy.

• (00:00:00) Introduction: Blanche introduces Hesta and shares why this conversation felt like a natural pull, two women who trusted a signal long before they had the strategy to back it up.
• (00:01:25) Music as a First Language: Hesta breaks down what Music Connection Therapy actually is, how she helps people recognize their state, name it, and shift it, and why recorded music is the most underused tool we have for that.
• (00:04:38) What You Let In Shapes You: Blanche and Hesta get into the energetics of consumption, the music playing in your home, the songs you work out to, the genres that lift you versus the ones that pull you under, and why most people don't realize how much it's affecting them.
• (00:20:32) Music and the Home: Blanche asks Hesta how sound fits into the home space, and Hesta's answer surprises even her. For someone who travels constantly, music isn't tied to a place. It is the place.
• (00:25:49) Do People Know What a Mood Is?: Hesta goes there. Most high-performing people have never been asked what they're actually feeling. A feeling isn't a story. It's a sensation in the body.
• (00:31:44) "I Can't Meditate": What quieting the mind actually looks like, and why music might be the most accessible entry point for people who think they can't do it.
• (00:43:30) What She's Passing Down: Hesta's daughter is 12. What Hesta is really teaching her, above everything else, is to back her own play.

If you've ever felt most alive on a dance floor or noticed that the right song can shift your entire state in seconds, this episode will give you language for something you've always known to be true.

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ABOUT HESTA PRYNN

Hesta Prynn is an internationally acclaimed DJ, radio host, and licensed therapist. Taught to mix vinyl by Questlove, she has shared stages with icons like Amy Schumer and Deepak Chopra and performs for global brands including Spotify, Google, and Netflix. Her work blends music, psychology, and neuroscience to create unforgettable live experiences that transform how people think, feel, and connect.

She is a sought-after speaker at leadership gatherings, including Cannes Lions and the World Economic Forum in Davos. Hesta is the creator of Music Connection Therapy, a method that uses curated music, mindset prompts, and neuroscience-backed tools to help people shift their state and design the life they actually want. Her iHeartRadio podcast Music Is Therapy launched in 2026.

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My name is Blanche Garcia.

Welcome to the Conscious Home Podcast.

Today, we have Hesta Prin with us.

I'm very excited- Hi … because I felt like when her and I first spoke, we really

connected and resonated, so I feel like this is gonna be an amazing conversation.

Hesta Prin is an internationally acclaimed DJ, radio host, and licensed therapist.

Taught to mix vinyl by Questlove, she has shared stages with icons like Amy

Schumer, Deepak Chopra, and performs for global brands, including Spotify,

Google, and Netflix, to name a few.

Her work blends music, psychology, and neuroscience to create unforgettable

live experiences that transform how people think, feel, and connect.

She's a sought-after speaker at leadership gatherings, including Ken's Lions and

the World Economic Forum of Davos.

Hesta is the creator of Music Connection Therapy, a method that uses curated music,

mindset prompts, and neuroscience-backed tools to help people shift their state

and design the life they actually want.

That is quite a dossier- … aside from the energy that I felt coming

off of you when we first spoke.

So for anyone- Great … who hasn't met you, how would you describe what you do?

Because it's very different.

It's very niche, very similar.

I, I always love it when people kinda get really nitty into, like,

what they do that's so different.

Okay.

Cool.

So I'm a DJ.

I've been a DJ for 16 years professionally.

I've been a licensed therapist for three years, but it took me seven

years to get my licensure, and I spent a lot of time on live radio.

So in these spaces, what I essentially do, and what I've been doing for a long

time, is talking to people about music.

That's actually my favorite thing to do.

When I was growing up, like, I didn't know that could be a job.

But everything I've chosen has been a version of that, whether it's in

the studio or on the dance floor, live radio, or in the therapy room.

And so what I do in my Music Connection Therapy live experiences

is I bring this together.

I take people through sort of like time travel back and forward.

I help people very specifically connect to feelings, p-

physical embodiment of feelings.

I help them recognize their states.

A lot of people don't know what state they're actually in.

Maybe some people have never been- … asked that question.

And so I help people recognize how they're feeling and name how they're

feeling, and then I help people shift their state and project it towards

something that they want for the future.

Mm-hmm.

I think that's what a great therapist does, is like, "What am I feeling?

I have feelings.

There's things happening inside of me.

What am I feeling?

How is this connected to my past?

How can I best use this to drive my future?" And so because I'm a DJ

first and foremost, I think music is the greatest, most underused tool.

For this.

And it's a natural tool for me, although I think it's quite complicated

and, and nuanced, but that's really, like, my first language,

is the language of recorded music.

And so of course I use that.

Yeah.

And I think that music, like for me, and I've talked about this before

to listeners who have kind of been following along, that's what resonated

with me and just our connection.

Music has always been- Yeah … really an important part of even my awakening.

Like, I first connected to spirit through music and

realized I was more clairaudient.

And so music, I think, just, it bridges the chasm between even

nationalities, language or whatnot.

Like, music is just one of those things.

It's like scent.

It's, it's just something that transcends, and it immediately

brings people to, like, a feeling.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

And there are certain songs, you know, I'm, I really work in the realm

of recorded music, and the reason I say that a lot is because I don't

work with, like, singing bowls.

I don't work with, you know, I'm not a sound healer in sort of-

Mm-hmm … the traditional, you know, way that we think of this.

I'm really a DJ.

I like rock, you know, a vinyl show.

And so there are certain songs that transcend, like you said, nationalities.

Um, they transcend age.

Like, I always use the example I Will Survive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right?

Everyone knows how you're supposed to feel when you hear that song like this.

Yeah.

It's a, it's such a great example of how the song, without even hearing

it, just s- saying the name of the song, changes the state in your body.

Yeah,

100%.

And I- 100%.

And so I know all the songs like that, and so if I'm curating for, at Cannes

Lions in the south of France, where I'll be in a few weeks, that was on my resume-

that you read.

In Cannes, it's an international European, but North African, you

know, it's an international audience, and so I have to find those records

that speak to everybody, and that's really challenging, but fun.

But when I go to different groups, whether it's, you know, whatever

the demo of the group, as a DJ, you call this reading the room.

Yeah.

Who's in this space, and what songs are gonna move them?

Well, now I'm reading the room on a deeper level.

Who's in this space, and what songs are gonna make them feel what I want them to

feel so that we can achieve this outcome?

And I do it in a group, and I do it one-on-one, and it's very different

in, in the different containers.

Yeah, and I feel like people underestimate what they're taking in in their

energetic field, meaning that who you hang around with, the music that

you listen to, the movies that you watch, whatnot, what you consume, even

digitally on social media, it affects you, and this is at its deepest core.

So music will affect you.

You know, my husband said to me the other day, he said, "If you had to pick one

genre of music to listen to for the rest of your life, what would it be?" Yeah.

Great question.

And it, it was like, I think he's just trying to connect, and

it's really funny, and it's cute.

It's actually really cute.

But I was like, "I appreciate it."

Yeah.

And I remember saying to him, I was like, "I actually love,

like, house music." Great.

And he said, "Why?" And I said, "Well, because when you're listening to

ballads, more than likely it's gonna be something really sad, and it's

gonna bring you down, your, your energy level." I said, "Rock can go either

way, but it's the musical of rock.

It's that, it's a very, like, it's brash, it's harsh.

You know, there's not a lot of, like, delicate, it can't bring me, my energy

level and keep it up." When I listen to house music, I feel like there's something

that they put into the different sequences of the sounds that automatically, it's why

whenever I've gone to a house club when I was younger and I used to party, I was

never depressed at a house party- Mm-hmm

because the music keeps you at a certain level.

And yes, you can be, like, more chill, and you can be more vibey, but it was always

like the vibration always rose me up.

Like, I was always, like, happier listening to it.

It's just interesting.

You know, people forget.

You know, and I said this, like, I've written books, and the first book I

wrote, I said, "If I had to learn at a very early age, if I was gonna get out

of my own head and not be depressed, I just stop listening to certain music.

I may love it, but I can't, 'cause it takes me too far down." So what you're

doing is just, like, you're shifting the energy of people, which is amazing.

Yeah, and I think, you know, you're touching on all these genres, and what's,

the way I'm hearing it is, you know, every genre you described is a tool.

And so if you're talking about, like, ballads, you know, love songs,

heartbreak songs, it's a very specific tool of how you're gonna feel- Mm-hmm

and it can't be sustained.

It's like a three and a half minute, you know, very deep emotional journey,

and then you gotta come out of it.

And I think rock music, and of course we're generalizing- Yeah … but the

ener- the energy, the explosive energy, the sort of brashness, the rebellion

that we have in, in rock and roll for, you know, to generalize is y-

you know, anger is a, is the most…

is I always tell my patients this, but anger is the most energizing emotion.

Yeah.

And so I encourage people to feel angry, not behave aggressively-

Yeah … but to feel the anger because so many people, especially men that I

see, really have been conditioned to push it down or to be afraid of it.

And so when you feel it and you release it, you know, it's gone.

You get bored of it, you get distracted, you do something else.

But house music is, you know, it's designed to keep

you in the space long-term.

Yeah.

So it ca- you can't ride those ups and downs in quite the same

way because you'll burn out.

It's designed to give you that, that elongated passage- Yeah … of time.

And then over time, perhaps you transform into someone else, and

that's what happened in the house clubs, you know, and the gay community-

Yeah … and all of this to create the space, to create the… Physically,

I love that you like house music, and that's your lane, conscious home.

But it's about, you know, creating a container for us to

transform in a slow, even way.

Yeah.

And the music holds you up, and so I think that's really cool.

And when you asked the question, I sort of had the same answer in my head.

Yeah.

I feel like just vibrationally it's where I, I like to stay, if I had to be asked.

Yeah.

I love, and I love how you described even that- All these other songs

and types of music are moments that can't be constantly in that space.

And I think unfortunately- Yeah … what happens is a lot

of people stay in that space.

Like, I used to, as an empathic person or somebody who was a sensitive,

if I listened to ballads in the morning, I was in that energy all day.

I was like, "Oh, life," and like, "Oh, like- Yeah … when is love?"

And it's like so far… You know, and I just couldn't get out of it.

And I realized at a certain point, I was like, "Wait. Okay, Blanche. What I'm

consuming, I have to be really careful because it's affecting me way too much."

And my boundaries weren't up at the time.

I was really young, in my 20s.

I didn't know how to put boundaries up to listen to a song and

then just leave it there- Yeah

and walk away from it, and then still be happy-go-lucky.

It would become my whole personality.

I understand that.

Yeah.

You know, I came up in hip-hop.

I was in a hip-hop group, and we toured with The Roots for two years,

and I learned to mix vinyl, you know.

And I love hip-hop music, and that's really my foundation.

Yeah.

And sometimes I get hired to DJ, like, a '90s hip-hop set or whatever.

Like, it's still a big part of who I am, being from New York and being this age.

Mm-hmm.

But I do find that as I've moved into this work, the amount of

times that I reach for, like, a hip-hop record, it's not that often.

I understand, like, the meaning of a lot of the music and the

importance of a lot of the music- Yeah

and I love it, but I feel like it takes a, it takes a lot from me

to connect in that way, and then I don't really have anything left.

So I used to work out to hip-hop a lot, and I don't work out to hip-hop,

and I don't work out to angry music.

I work out to EDM.

That, and,

and that's what- Dance records … and that's what I mean.

Like, I love hip-hop, too.

Yeah.

Like, I grew up, like, Naughty by Nature and all those things, and

like- Yeah … you know, Salt-N-Pepa.

Like, those were all, like, when I was growing up, those were

all songs that we listened to.

And I agree.

Yeah.

Like, I love all of that.

Mm-hmm.

But when I, when I think about how I want my day and the rise of it,

there's something that I just get from the crescendo and the, the

way the music shifts, and it makes me feel, like, sparkly and magic.

Like, even my daughter-

That's so cool

… she's six, and I know you have a daughter, too.

And- Yeah … whenever we're in the car listening, when… She

listens to a lot of different music.

But I, I have her, when she was younger, listen to house music, and

now to this day it'll be, like, her favorite, and she'll be like, "Listen."

Yeah.

"Listen, Mom, it's, the beat's about to drop." And then, and she'll be- Oh, my god

… like in the car, and she'll be like, "The beat's a…" And I can just feel that

she's feeling what I feel with the song, that there's something energetically.

Like, she's feeling like she can take on the world, and she's gonna

fly, and there's unicorns are real, and the world is, like, magic.

And that's what the songs make you feel sometimes, you know?

And then of course, like, you're feeling that in your nervous system.

Yes.

You know, mirror neurons are f- reflecting each other, and it's

bouncing back and forth all over the car, so that's really beautiful.

And that's also, like, you know, that's the reason that we go to a show.

Yeah.

Whether it's a hip-hop show or a rock show or an EDM show, whatever, it's like, where

we go to the dance floor, we go to the club so that… And I still go out a lot.

Yeah.

And it's so that our, so that we can have… You know, it's one thing to

listen to a record and feel something.

It's another thing to listen to a record with another person

and, and feel something together.

But to listen to a record with- thousands of people and everyone's,

you know, c- collective effervescence.

We're all synced.

That- that's a real special, exciting part of being human, and I think

the really great artists are able to bring us together in that way.

Yeah,

no, I agree.

I think my first interaction with spirit in my own damaged way- Mm-hmm

was in my 20s, probably on the dance floor, and just EDM and, you know, at

the time it was drugs and whatnot, and I was like… But it was my closest

way, I think, to, like, release all of the fears and all of the blocks

that I had and really connect.

Yeah, oh, sure.

And you're with all these people- Mm-hmm … and it's really a, your combined energy.

Totally.

And I think that that was my first glimpse into, wait a minute, like,

now I do it naturally, but the music portion mixed with just, like, the

release of it, it's just something really beautiful that I think that

it's probably my most happiest state.

That's great.

I agree, and it's still happening.

You know, I go to see, um, a lot of artists and, like, I'm not the oldest

person in the room, but I'm definitely closer to the oldest than the youngest.

For example, I saw Peggy Gou, um, last week and, and, uh, you know,

it's a really, really young audience.

My husband flies drones for a lot of the, um- Yeah … EDM shows,

and so I go and I'm not in… Like, I can dip in and dip out.

I don't have to be, like, in the, you know- Right … general

population, whatever.

But it's really, it's still happening.

It's still happening for these young people, and it's still happening for me.

And I think it's really about, like, setting the intention.

Like, what am I leaving here?

I went and saw, do you know who Fred Again.. is?

Yes, only, like, uh, peripherally.

Fred is, like, probably, I think, the most important artist out there

right now, and he, uh, gives me chills even to say his name, and he did this

tour, um, for a record called USB where he really led people in- Mm-hmm

ceremony for many, many hours.

I think he played five hours or seven hours a night, and I went and

saw it twice, and it's, it's the most transformational experience

I've had on a dance floor.

It's certainly top three of my entire life, and this is just

this, you know, several months ago.

And he just released every piece of music in that whole,

it's like 208 hours of music.

He just released the whole thing on one YouTube link.

Mm-hmm.

And so people are listening to it, and it's like we're able to revisit

the feelings we had in the experience.

I mean, it's, what he's doing is incredibly powerful.

I'm trying to get him on my podcast because of, 'cause I really wanna put

the language of psychology and n- and neuroscience into what he's doing.

Yeah.

But I would say for anybody, like, I think he's the, the most important artist, the

most important new artist that we have

right now.

And I think what you're doing is you're quantifying and naming what a lot

of people have felt in their lives.

Like, a lot of- Absolutely … young people who don't know how to quiet their

mind or even get back into their body, they've never had any tools for this, and

so music was the first and is the first gateway that they have to really connect,

and they don't know what to name it.

Like, they don't know how to name it.

They just know that they feel alive when they're in these spaces.

Mm-hmm.

So it's really interesting.

I wanna ask, at what point did you realize that these two worlds weren't separate?

Like, was there a moment that they clicked and you were like, "Wait, what I've been

doing kind of naturally and what I want to do, there's a way to connect the two"?

Absolutely.

So during the pandemic, I was going to graduate school online.

Mm-hmm.

And I was DJing, like, live on Instagram, not because I wanted to, but because it

kind of kept me afloat- Yeah … during this time, and I would do a half an

hour every day in the middle of the day.

And I would, like, DJ and read the room, and nobody was there

'cause it was live on Instagram.

And so I started to talk about records.

I started to, like, come and bring out my records and be like, "This is this song.

This is what it means to me.

Here's why I like it.

This is what it does for me." And I'd play the record, and I'd kind of dance

to the record, and no one watched at all.

And then people started to watch, and then it became sort of this,

like, mini phenomenon in my life.

It got a lot of press coverage, and it w- became a thing, and I was on SiriusXM at

the time, and people were calling in to talk about this thing that I was doing.

Mm-hmm.

And when I was done… When I was done.

When we were done with the pandemic- Yeah, yeah … that's a thing that happened.

But when it came time to be out in the world again, I had just started

seeing patients, I was working towards my clinical hours, towards

my licensure, and I was sort of being like a regular therapist.

But then I would get these phone calls to DJ these parties, and I would, like, run

screaming and, like, cancel everything 'cause I missed my life, you know?

And I went to a coach, Lauren Zander, who's the most amazing coach, and my

course, Music Connection Therapy, is up on her membership platform now.

Maybe you can link to that, if people are interested.

Mm-hmm.

But I went to her because I was really unhappy.

Mm-hmm.

And I was turned on to her through Questlove, who's her,

who's… She's his coach as well.

And she was like, "Therapy or music?" And I was like, "Exactly, what do I do?

I'm so good at this, and I'm loved, and I'm so good at this,

and they're so different."

And she was like, "No, they're not." Mm-hmm.

"The way you're doing it, they're not different at all.

They're exactly the same.

Like, look what you're doing.

Just make it up."

Yeah.

Make it up.

Like, do it yourself.

And I really resisted that.

I was like, "I don't wanna start something new.

I, I don't know." Like, "Is this a real thing?

Will people understand what I'm doing?

Like, I'm making it up.

I'm being like a pioneer," whatever.

But I really didn't have a choice, 'cause when I… As soon as she sort

of, like, called me out… You know when someone, like, speaks your truth-

Yeah, 100%

… you can't, like, unspeak it?

Yeah.

She was like, "You're not a therapist.

Like, you're v- you're gonna be a therapist and sit at home

and do the…" Yeah, yeah.

You know?

And so as soon as she called it out, like, you can be both of

these things, it, like, freed me.

So I can do therapy sessions and still be me, and I can go

DJ parties and still be me.

Yeah.

And they're not all… It's not always, like, the spiritual experience.

Like, my clients don't always pay for that.

They're sometimes like, "Will you just come DJ this party?" Yeah.

But I do this keynote all over the world, and people are

hiring me to do the experience.

And so I can show up in both ways, and I think that's actually a really

good lesson that I wish I had learned earlier in my life, that, like, you

really don't have to be one thing or show up in just one way or not do

something in your own way just because, you know, it's never been done before.

It's like you can show up with all the pieces of you, and in

fact, you sort of have to show up with all the pieces of you.

I mean, I feel like that's what you do- No, 100% … as well.

I mean, don't you think so?

I was saying that that story really resonates with my own story because

I had spent… You know, people who follow my podcast and whatnot know

that I had spent probably about 25 years at the time doing interior

design, and that's all I was known for.

Yeah.

And there were inklings of me throughout my life where I wanted

to break into something else.

I remember being on a TV show traveling the world for, like, Travel Channel

and doing design, and that was it, and it was, like, very DIY design.

And I wanted to write a book called Empowered Design: Designing Your

Life from the Inside Out, and publishers were like, "You're crazy.

Like, just do a tabletop book with pretty pictures." And I

was like, "I don't know." Yeah.

"I don't feel like that's really me." And I ended up writing the book, and

I self-published, and it did nothing, but for me it, it did something.

And at 2020, when I also had my own awakening, and I talk about this, I

remember the first time that I was like, "What do I do with this new knowledge

that I have, this new con-" connection.

You know, I'm not gonna be some sort of, uh, you know, astrologer or, like, I'm not

gonna start being a medium on the corner.

You know, it's just not who I am, but I- now I have this new sight and this new

senses, and the way I look at life is completely different as I do channel work.

And so I remember talking e- uh, same.

And I think we hold light for others, like we go on our paths so that

we can light the way for others.

And so it took somebody else while I was doing my first Akashic record

read, and it was… I was being pulled to this woman, the same thing

where through a series of events.

And I remember sitting there, and she's like, "Okay, so, like,

they're just showing me…"

And I felt this in my being, similar to you.

She's like, "Uh, they're just showing me that you're supposed to combine

interior design and, like, what you do and connect to spirit." And I was

just like, "What are you talking about?

Like, how do I make that work?" And she's like- Yeah … "You're gonna just do it.

I don't know what the answer is.

You have to figure it out in your own way, but you're gonna bridge the gap,

and that is the future of design." And I was just like, "Okay." And so here we

are years later, and similar to you, I'm creating something that in the beginning,

and I don't know if you feel this way, you start in a direction, and at first you're

a pioneer, and nobody understands it.

They question it a lot.

And then somewhere along the way, people change from questioning it to being

like, "Oh my God, you're a genius." And they start- … understanding it.

I think that the world has to catch up because what we do are visionaries, and

the reason the energy is called to us is because we're meant to birth these new

systems into this world, and we're one of many and billions that are starting

to do it, and I see it all the time.

I was on two calls today that it happened, that people were like,

"What's going on?" Mm. And then now the world's starting to catch up.

Now we're at this, like, precipice.

So, like, with you with music, you probably were the only one thinking about

how to bridge this gap, you know, when you started it, and now there's probably

slowly you're starting to see that music in energy work as it relates to people

coming out more, like you just mentioned.

Yes to everything you just said.

Yeah.

I think that for me, like, when I got this idea or this download or Lauren

told me, or however- Yeah … language you use, I started to be panicked

when I would read The New York Times.

Because I was like, "This is so obvious and so right. Someone else

is doing this, and they're gonna get written up in The Times before me."

That was like a, that was like some fear- Yeah … based thought that I kept having.

And that didn't happen.

And I would hear about people doing stuff, but it was never exactly like-

Yeah … I did it because nobody had like the background- Your experience, right?

… in the same way that

I did.

You're like a snowflake.

Yeah.

Yeah, just like in my own specific sort of weird way, right?

And when I started, I think, doing this for like two years, which

was just recently, you know, my coach said to me, "You're the

OG." And I was like, "Oh, shit.

I'm the OG." So something about that was like incredibly freeing-

Mm-hmm … where I was like, "I'm the person who invented this."

And when I started creating a modality, that's a little different because like

I'm writing it like a psychology modality, and the clinician has to have, you know,

15 years of music curation experience.

Like, I wrote it like where only I, you know, only I could do it kind of thing.

But not really, I'm writing it so I can teach it to people.

I don't know.

All of this to say I relate to what you're saying.

I don't think it's about who's there first.

I think it's like just talking to people one on one about what you do.

Mm-hmm.

Every time you tell it to a new person, you're reinforcing it in yourself.

100%. I think speaking your truth.

And maybe I'm still doing that.

Maybe I'm still even in just like that phase.

That's a, that was the most non-answer I've ever given

to any question in my life.

But I think it's so true, and I even realized even with myself when I was

creating Conscious Home, I knew that it would be the standard that other people

would create their own modality from.

And so I knew that like nobody could take what I was creating

'cause it was my own experience.

But at the same time- Yeah, of course … it, it's gonna become

part of a larger discussion, right?

It's like one seed in the whole larger discussion.

So I have a question about this.

So I'm in the home space, and that's how I relate to energy, not just

alone, but it affects the home space.

And I talk a lot about how our homes hold energy and sounds and

scent and how objects we surround ourselves with and all of that.

And I know like whenever I'm doing something, when people take, you know,

a Conscious Home quiz or they're talking about the different archetypes, we

touch on music for each archetype and how they affect you, whether you wanna

experience joy in your life or you're calling in wealth or you're calling

in abundance or different things.

How does music fit into that equation for you?

So I don't know much about interior design even though my

mother is an interior designer.

Oh, nice.

And s- my mother-in-law is an architect.

So I'm not sure that I'm even qualified to answer the question, but I will tell

you that there are spaces in my home where I listen to music that feel like

the places where I listen to music.

And one of them is my bathroom.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I have a really beautiful bathroom, and I have my Sonos in

there that's like on its own channel.

Mm-hmm.

And then one of those is my kitchen, of course.

You know, sometimes I have them connected and I'm playing the same

music in both spaces so that I can come upstairs and go downstairs and all of

this and experience the same thing.

But generally, I'm listening to music alone in one of other spaces.

But, but with my family sometimes in the kitchen, but when I'm alone in my

house, I listen to music and sort of like interact with it in the space.

I don't know.

I don't know if I really know how does music play into the space in

your home the way like scent would.

I don't know.

I think that's actually a question for you.

I feel like whenever I'm trying to create an energy and a feel, like it's

as simple as when I'm trying to inspire myself and I do the things that bring

me to inspiration, into inspiration mode, like my avatar is activated.

And one of those- Hmm … is like cooking, like I love cooking.

And on a Sunday morning it's imperative for me to have on like Norah Jones,

like I'm- Yeah … a Lilith Fair.

Yeah.

Yeah,

cooking music.

I get it.

And, but it's also like there's something in the energy of creating something.

So I'm creating food, the sun is coming in, I'm putting scent, whether it's like

a candle that I love, and then the music is part of that kind of creativity for me.

But then if I wanna shift to joy, you know, then I'm shifting the music and

I'm dancing with my daughter or whatnot.

So I feel like in the home space, even though like it can be in any space, it

goes hand in hand with sometimes with the space and what I'm doing in the

space and how I'm creating that energy.

I understand.

I feel for me, it's funny 'cause I experience, as I'm listening to you

talk, I'm like trying to think about how I relate to what you're saying,

and it sounds a little corny and maybe everyone feels this way or maybe nobody

feels this way, but I feel that the artists that I am connected to are almost

like I'm, I'm connected to those, the bodies of work in a really intimate way.

And when I listen to certain bodies of work, and I'm saying Led Zeppelin,

Lady Gaga- Mm-hmm … Harry Styles, Steve Winwood, Elton John, like

that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

It's like I feel that I'm visiting with those energies.

It's almost like, I suppose, when people are, you know, can speak

to spirits in this type of stuff.

I feel like that- Yeah, you're calling in.

Yeah.

Yeah … you're calling it in.

And so on a Sunday morning for me, or Saturday morning really, I

like to listen to Steve Winwood.

I'm up earlier than everyone in my house.

I do sort of my business in the kitchen on a Saturday morning, and I often listen

to a Steve Winwood or like a Steely Dan or like a Tom Petty, like that moment.

Mm-hmm.

And I'm really connecting to those energies, but I'm really connecting

to the part, that part of myself.

Right.

Which is an old, it's just a, like a younger part of myself.

Mm-hmm.

Like a t- almost like a teenage part of myself.

Mm-hmm.

And then when I'm, you know, in the m- moments of doing this, that, or

the other thing, I'm connecting to the energies of those bodies of work.

Mm-hmm.

I don't really think of it in relation to my space.

You know, it's funny 'cause I knew I was coming on the show, I

was like thinking about my space.

Like I cleaned my closet- … over this weekend and my daughter's closet.

You know, this room I'm in is not as clean as it should be.

I don't feel, I think may- maybe because I spent all my 20s in like a hotel room,

like, and I travel so much, like I don't feel, I don't feel that the space is

my- It doesn't, like, register to me.

Right.

But what I'm listening to and how I feel- Is

what, is what home is to you … is- Yeah,

yeah.

Big time.

And, like, I'm not into f- I'm not into food.

I mean, I eat a very healthy, simple diet.

I eat to live.

Yeah.

I don't live to eat.

Not into food.

Like, there's so many things that I'm not into, but I'm so into

music doing the things for me.

You know what, when I'm traveling, I work out.

Mm-hmm.

I work out a lot, and I have certain music that I listen to when I work out.

Very, very specific records that I enjoy when I work out, and those will

come with me to Europe next week.

Yeah.

And they'll come with me all over the world.

It's like I bring… And now it's so fucking easy with the- Yeah

you know, with your phone.

It's like I bring the space with me.

And that's really interesting- So even if, you know- … um, because

everybody lives differently, whereas I think that, like, for you, the

music does completely transform the space you're in, and it is your home.

Yeah.

Right?

Whatever you want that home to be.

Yes.

That's right.

And I think that there's a lot of people that that does that for.

Everybody needs different things.

There are people that are just into cooking, that the actual nutrients

and the essentials that they use to cook with, like saffron or

different things that they're using, that's creating their home space.

And I guess for me in my home space, music is such a huge part of it.

But I think that's why- Yeah … I really love also mirroring with the aesthetics,

because color is really important to me, and shape, and, like, sometimes if I

just see a simple flower in my kitchen, it transforms, like, the whole space,

and I feel like, oh, I can breathe now.

Yeah.

It's

so

interesting.

Yeah.

And everybody kinda has their way of creating that.

Do you think that people underestimate how much sound is shaping their mood?

Do you think that there are people that come to you that they've, like,

they underestimate and they don't realize how much it's affecting them?

I think people don't know what a mood is.

Mm-hmm.

I think so many people, especially, like, my therapy patients are generally

well-resourced, high-achieving people.

I see a lot of men, which is not something I expected as a person with

a women's studies degree from Oberlin.

But I see people who think I or me or who they are is the talk track

happening in the prefrontal cortex.

Which is…

Yeah, I agree with that.

I think most people do, especially men, think that.

Yes.

And even just saying this, it makes me wanna

Settle my system.

And so the idea that there's even a you, a physical body, and that a

feeling is a chemical state and a feeling is a sensation in the body-

Mm-hmm … a feeling is not a story, even that is such a radical idea for

a lot of people who come see me, that to get to the space of what you put

in affects how it feels, first you gotta know it is a thing and you…

and it's an animal, and you have to know that a feeling, what a feeling even is.

Yes.

And so for a lot of people, that's really where you start, and I

think that's incredibly frustrating maybe, but incredibly empowering.

Like, "Oh my God, there's a whole instrument in this-"

Well, it's, it- You know?

Like, you're, you're getting out of the head space, and the thing

of it is, is that most people think that they can philosophize or think

themselves through certain things instead of feeling into things.

And, and people don't realize that you have to sit with things and

how that f- like, sits in your body and your nervous system.

Yes.

And I think a lot of kids, like, I was at a kid's party this weekend, and I have,

like, sometimes some of the, the moms say to me like, "Oh, your daughter's, like,

so brave and she's so sure of herself," and, you know, and they'll, they'll tell

me stories about their kid, about how they feel, you know, they feel they don't

wanna say certain things, they're very insecure or they're in their head a lot.

And I remember thinking to myself, I'm like, the biggest thing you can teach

them is to, like, how to be comfortable in their own skin, to be okay with, like, the

fear, but to, like, kind of, like, feel into that and breathe into that and get

into their body and all of these things.

And it, it's just a novelty idea.

A lot of people don't realize that.

And even a conversation I was having today where somebody was asking me advice on

something, and they're like, "How do I start?" And I was like, "It's, it's you."

Like, nobody can take your power away.

The more you give power away to people to say, like, "How do I fix this?"

There's no fixing it.

Yeah.

It's, like, being comfortable in your own skin, and I think people try

to logically think their way, like, "How do I take the steps? Is there a

class I can take? How do I…" Yeah.

You know, "How do I, like, kinda rig this to, like, work it out?"

And you're like, "No, no, you actually have to sit, go inward."

Yeah, and I think what, I think what you're talking about, I remember a long

time ago when I was in a band many years ago, when I was, like, 19, we needed

musicians to help us with something.

And my bandmates and I, I remember one of my bandmates whose, who was,

was much more intuitive than I was- Mm-hmm … at that time, certainly.

I was very cerebral.

Said, "Okay, we all identified kinda this is what we need. We need a drummer

and a guitar player," let's say.

And that was the end of the conversation.

And I said, "Okay, well, how are we gonna get it?" And she was kinda like,

"You know, we're gonna, we're gonna make it happen." And I was like, "Okay,

but like, that's not a strategy."

Like, what are we gonna do?

And she was like, the two of them are like looking at me like

I had like two heads, you know?

And they were kinda like, "It will be this way or that way or the other way.

Like, we don't know." And I, and I think about that moment a lot, because

I really rejected that at the time.

I thought it was really sort of unprofessional, and I

thought it was, uh, lazy.

Mm-hmm.

And I thought it was all the things that a lot of people have going on

in the talk track in their head: not good enough, lazy, you know, work

harder- Right … all these things.

And now of course, of course.

I mean, that's the whole thing.

Let's, this is what we need.

Let's call it in.

And w- now we go in the world, and we, you know, it comes to us, or we identify it

or h- manifest it or look for confirmation bias- Yeah, there, there's, there's-

or whatever language you wanna use.

Yeah, and there's

no, like, actionable steps other than-

No, of

course not … going in the… I- it's funny, you reminded me of something.

I had a gentleman come to me that wanted me to do channel work with him and

wanted to go into, like, his Akashic records, and I remember being like, "Mm."

The things he was bringing to me, I was like, they're very logical.

And I said, "But I don't know." When we go in, I always prepare

people, and I say, "When we go in, you're gonna get what you need.

There is no perfect… You know, you can ask questions, but they're gonna

answer what they answer." So we go in, and we have, like, this earth-shattering

session, and I remember, like, being like, wow, he really got a lot of answers.

And he was like- Yeah … "Well, how do I basically get to this version they're

showing me? How do I get there?" And I'm like, "Well- Yeah … you have to

start with the inner work. You have to start with, like, being blah, blah,

blah, but you're gonna go in a direction, and you have to figure out what that

is for you by sitting with self."

And I remember thinking, like, these were very clear thoughts to me.

These were very clear directions from Spirit.

Yeah.

Yes.

And like two days later, I get an email from him, and he goes, "I

just want you to know I'm really confused by our session." Yeah.

"And I uploaded our conversation to ChatGPT to find actionable steps

because I felt like you didn't give me actionable steps on how

to get to that version of me."

Yeah, yeah.

What did ChatGPT say?

I'm actually

very curious.

I don't, I don't even know.

I just remember reading it, and I'm going- Mm-hmm … "Oh, yeah." I mean,

it's useful for a lot of things, but the actionable steps, I was like, you have

to feel into, and you have to, like, you know, quiet your mind, and you have

to sit with yourself and create space.

Okay, so here's a perfect, that's you and me now- Yeah … we're collaborating.

Because I, when I go to these big companies and do this keynote,

I'm often, for a lot of these people who are very- Yeah … very

high-performing and very successful, I am often the first spiritual-

Right … person they've ever met.

Yeah.

I'm level one.

You're level- … on another level.

I'm not, I'm not you.

And so when the guy says to you, "What's the actionable strategy?" And it's

like you say, "It's quiet your mind.

Sit with self." For me, here's the actionable strategy.

listen to that Bob Dylan song that you listened to when you were blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Right.

And I, I can curate to match what we need him to do.

Yeah.

Because this is a person who needs that- Yeah, like I, I- … and needs to latch

onto the song to quiet- Yeah … the mind.

That, that's the whole, like I- And

that's the thing, like I was like some people are journaling,

some people are, you know, meditation and quieting the mind.

People work out, and that's their version of quieting the mind.

Everybody has their version, right?

But I was like, "You have to figure that out." Like, there's a part that, and, and

this is the thing even for me, it's true.

Like, a lot of people, they need those actionable steps.

Mm-hmm.

But even so, they're like…

The, the first thing I usually get from people is like, "I don't know how to

quiet my mind. I can't quiet my mind." Oh,

my God.

I

can't

meditate.

"I

can't meditate." That's my pet- I can't me- That's my pet peeve.

I get this from everybody.

That's my

pet peeve.

"I can't meditate." And I'm just like-

I can't shut

my mind off

and I'm like, "No, you actually can." That's, that- That's how you

go to sleep … that's what it is.

Yeah … by the way.

That's also how you- Yeah … listen to me.

Like, there are things that you do- Yeah … even art.

Everybody has a version of how they quiet their mind.

They just don't realize it.

They think that quieting the mind- That's

exactly right

is that they should be like Gandhi, and there should be a silent black room.

There should be nothing- That's right … and there should be silence.

And I was like, "By the way, the only way I meditate is to music." I

remember when I started meditating, I kept trying to quiet my mind,

and I was like, "I can't meditate."

Same thing.

And they end up going to Omega in Rhinebeck, and it's, like, one of those

spiritual- Yeah … retreat places.

I know Omega.

Yes.

I know all these places.

And I remember going there.

Yeah.

And I was going through the worst heartbreak.

I was like… It was horrible.

It was like a train wreck.

And I remember my spiritual advisor at the time, one of my psychic

friends for years, she goes, "I think you just need to go to Omega and,

like, take a course and just relax."

So I take this five-day course, and it's about empowering your life

in all these different quadrants.

But I remember sitting in a room f- with, like, 15 people I've never met,

and I was like, "Okay, we're in a circle." And they're like, "We're gonna

meditate." And I'm like, "Oh, crap." I was like, "This is never gonna work."

And then they put on music, and they go, "Now we're gonna walk

you through a visualization." It was the first time anybody had

put on music in order to meditate, and obviously being clairaudient,

I didn't know that at the time.

And the journey I went on, I was like, "I feel like I just dropped a bomb.

Like, I feel like I'm on another level."

And it was just amazing, and people don't realize that quieting the

mind does not mean devoid or absent.

Yeah, of course.

You know, I meditate.

I do TM.

And so I tried to meditate many times for many years, and I'd

sort of white-knuckled it through lots of different- … mindfulness

meditations for a lot of years.

Then I did some other things, too, and I was white-knuckling it through that.

And sometimes it would be easier than others, but it always sucked.

And I learned TM because I knew that I really needed to settle my nervous system,

and I liked that it had, that it was the most sort of, like, scientifically

researched and proven, and I liked that some people I admired did it.

And it's sort of like the brand of it really appealed to me.

Can you

explain to people who are listening what TM is?

Yeah.

TM is transcendental meditation.

And it's an Indian meditation, right?

It's the one The Beatles did, when you, like, see The Beatles, you know.

And, and Howard Stern does it, and Larry David, and Jerry

Seinfeld, all those guys do it.

And a lot of sort of celebrities do it, and a lot of normal people do it, and

old people do it, and young people do it, and they teach it to it- to, uh,

inmates, and they teach it to veterans.

And anyone can do it.

It's very simple, they say.

And there's a process that you learn it, and essentially it's

kind of like a self-hypnosis.

Mm-hmm.

And you get a mantra, and you repeat the mantra, and there's a

lot of science about why this works.

And they study it usually in relation to heart disease and things like this.

Whatever.

So I learned TM, and it's a silent… I think it's like

a… What do you call that?

A Vedic meditation?

Mm-hmm.

What's that called?

It's a

Vedic.

Right?

Yeah.

Um, and so you're… It's a silent meditation, but you think the mantra, and

the mantra is just, like, a nonsense word.

Da-da.

Mm-hmm.

Da-da, da-da, da-da.

But you are building neural pathways that when you hear that word in your

mind, they, you know, settle your system.

And TM changed my life.

I've been doing it for nine years in November.

It changed my body, for sure.

It changed every… It's the be- it is the best thing I ever did for myself.

Mm-hmm.

Ever.

And I know now about repetitions.

Repetitions of a lyric, "I will survive, I will survive." You know, repetitions

of the song and the music and the house music that we're talking about.

Yeah, the hook.

It's

why

people get- The hook … people get stuck on songs for that reason.

The earworm.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And so if… I love TM, and I feel like if I can teach people how to connect

something, the way TM connects the, the body state to the mantra, can I teach you

to connect the empowerment with this hook?

Can I teach you to connect the letting go with that one.

Mm-hmm.

And it's like you're giving people a toolkit if they can't meditate.

Mm-hmm.

If they can't do this, and they can't do th- and everybody wants

to tell you what they can't do.

I know.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, they put up the blocks really quickly.

Yeah, and I think that also, like, you know, nobody can… You

can't ride a bike until you get

on the bike.

Right, right.

You have to start somewhere.

Yes.

No, it's the same thing.

I tell my daughter- You know?

… she's six, and she's like, "But how do I do that?" And I'm like, "Well,

you have to start somewhere, and by the way, you're gonna fail a bunch

of times, and that's part of it."

You know?

Like, get used to it.

Yeah.

One thing, I don't think we even answered this, but I'm curious, and I know that

viewers are curious, why did you choose to get a clinical therapy license?

Like, what was the driving force?

Yeah.

You talk about how you combine them, and you were like, "How do I do

both?" But how did you get there?

I decided to do it… So I've always been very interested in, in

therapy, in the process of therapy.

You know, I'm Jewish, I'm from New York.

Yeah.

It's like part of the culture.

It just is.

And so I always, I always thought that's something I might wanna do in the

future, but I'm also an artist, and I followed music, and I did all of this.

When I had my daughter in 2014, I was like, "Will anyone hire me again?" Right.

But I really, really wanted to study therapy.

I think I had some things in my family I wanted to work out, and I did a couple

of years of graduate school, but I was kinda like chasing the gigs, and then my

career really blew up when my daughter was two, and then I really just left.

I was like, "I gotta go chase this money." Mm-hmm.

And when all the, when the world shut down and all the events were canceled

forever, for like, you know, two years almost, my brother was like, "Why don't

you see if you can go back to graduate school?" And at that point, everything

was online, and it went on for so long, like the pandemic, that I was able to do

that final year of graduate school, and I was able to start, you know, to get

maybe 1,000 of my clinical hours online, you know, working with families and

children, and I really loved doing it.

I think I have a talent for it.

But I got the license and the training because I didn't wanna be a coach.

I wanted to be in the conversation at Davos.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I wanted to be… Like, the places where I go and where I speak, I don't

think I would be invited to speak if I were not a- A licensed clinician.

And I wanted to be in that conversation, and I think it's a little bit of my,

like, overachiever thing going on.

But I had a hangup.

I was afraid people would think I was, like, a DJ who

liked- Right … mental health.

And I am a DJ who likes mental health.

But you felt like it added validity to what you do.

Absolutely.

And I, I don't just think it.

Mm-hmm.

I know it to be true.

And so when I'm in the room with other clinicians, which is a lot, a lot of the

time, I'll be on a panel or I'll be in some type of an event or with a company

or, you know, on a, at a keyno- a summit or a conference or what have you, and

I'll be with other clinicians, with PhDs and MDs and, you know, well, different

types of physicians and scientists.

And I can sit at those tables because of my training.

Mm-hmm.

Even if I'm not using every piece of my training, but I still use a lot of it.

My degree is in, uh… I'm an LMFT with diagnostic privilege, okay?

That means I can become a, you know, a psychedelic administrating, you

know, psychologist if I want to.

I can't do that if I didn't have this licensure.

Yeah.

You know, there's conversations that I can take part in because I did all of this.

Like, I'm trained in family systems theory, old school Bowenian family

systems theory, like fucking Salvador Minuchin, not like- Yeah … not IFS.

And so understanding, like, the experiments that they did and the

situations that they, these pioneers of family therapy created, a lot of

it is based in attachment theory.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I need all of this in my work.

That's why I can hold a room and feel safe.

Yeah.

If I didn't have that clinical training, how could I do that?

It's like if somebody has a panic attack on an airplane, I can sit

next to them- Yeah … and help them, not as a good Samaritan.

And you know what's interesting, I feel like the universe, is what I call it, and

life, like when we're here, our, I call them missions or whatever you call it,

and I don't think they have to be loud.

I think that everybody comes here, and they want to experience, and they

want to express something that they planned to come here to experience

and to share with the world, right?

For sure.

And I think it's always interesting that people, whether they realize

it or not, are slowly gaining the ingredients to their, if they choose it,

to living their biggest life purpose.

And sometimes they think that- Yeah … they're, they're accidents or mundane, or

they don't know why they're doing things.

And so very similarly, you're like, "Oh, and I was interested in this, and I took

it, and then I put it away when I was like, you know, money came in, and, and

my business took off, and I was DJing.

And then I picked it back up." And what's interesting is, is that I remember,

and I used to use this analogy really simply in design. I'd been in design

for 25 years at the time, and I would get, you know, newbie designers coming

out, and they'd be like, "I wanna learn this, and how do I learn all this?

And I'm stuck doing this."

And I'm like, "You're never stuck doing something." And I remember when

I started in design, and I would tell them, I was like, "I worked at a retail

place, and I sold furniture." And I remember that I was like, "I hate my job.

Like, what is this?

This is horrible." But I had to learn, like, 150 different vendors

and what they did custom and what they didn't and blah, blah, blah.

And I remember that years later, when I ended up really doing

the work, I knew more than other designers about these vendors.

It was like kind of like a jack of all trades.

And I think similarly in Conscious Home that I'm doing what I'm meant here to do.

It's my version of my soul purpose.

But my background in design, I could look at it and go, "Well, why did I

spend so much time before I got to this?"

But the home space and how it carries energy, and for me, beauty to me is a

well-lived life is not just a physical.

It's an energetic imprint that it leaves on you.

So, like, beauty to me, when I walk into a room, and the beauty of it just

kind of like, it just blows me over.

Like, I am just at my highest vibrational time, you know?

Yeah.

Versus when I walk into a room, and they've done nothing, and everything's

ugly and garish, and it's lighting and this and that, and I'm just

like, "Oh my God," I just recoil, and I can't thrive in those spaces.

So I find it interesting that for you, as we talk about your path and

your journey, that it led you to something that you're creating that

is a unique imprint of your own life.

But you probably didn't have any idea.

You were just like, "I just like doing this, so I always wanted to do it, so

I went in this direction," you know?

Totally.

My very first job was at, uh, one of my very first jobs was at a

restaurant called Bubby's in New York.

Yeah.

And if you just watch the Love Story with JFK Jr.

and Carolyn, if anyone watched that, it's the restaurant where

she goes with her sister where all the photographers are outside.

But I worked there in the '90s, uh, you know, at that, at that time- Mm-hmm

… pretty much, maybe a few years after that.

And I was a teenager, and they had a handbook.

They had a sales handbook, and it was thick.

It was, like, 40 pages.

And I remember going to the downstairs of Bubby's when they hired me.

They hired me 'cause I was, like, cute and, you know, whatever.

And they said, "Read this handbook, and this will teach you how to sell."

The idea that I was selling- … as a server never occurred to me.

Right.

And they had all these, like, psychological sort of m-

tricks of how to sell stuff.

Mm-hmm.

And I read it.

I mean, I still use some of these things today.

I read it, and I… It, like… It worked for me right away.

And I remember what would happen was people would come in, and I would sit

down at the ta- That was the shtick, was like the waiter would sit down at

the table, and I would sit down at the table, and I would talk to these people.

Mm-hmm.

And I would engage with these people, and then they would buy anything I suggested.

I'd be like, "We have a milkshake.

It's $11." "It's the sickest thing ever.

You should get it.

I'm telling you." It's

life-changing.

And I could s- Yeah, and I could sell them anything, but I can see in

retrospect that it was like I learned how to connect with people because the

restaurant gave me the opportunity- Right

to sit with them and look them in the eye and have this connection, and they

loved the feeling of that, as we all do.

And then I quit that job very early on because we used to pool our tips.

Oh, yeah.

And my tips were s- Yeah … so high, and I was like, "No." But I can see,

like, you know, the hours I spent in the recording studio not really caring about

what we were making, but just sitting and talking to the people and that connection.

It's like I was always doing the same thing, and when you make people feel

seen, they love you, and it's not you.

And I feel like the music does that for me, and then I translate that for

people, and then I can sort of sell them- Yeah … whatever they need.

Yeah.

You know?

Whatever they need in the time.

And I think that that's something I've been doing, and

I think if, if the world…

if the universe turned upside down and I landed in another country,

on another planet, and in another time, I probably would find a way

to talk to people and connect with them- And tell them what they need.

Yeah.

Give them what I know they need.

Yeah.

Totally.

And

which is what you're doing.

And I know that we're ending on time, but I know you're a mom, and we talked

briefly outside of this about how we're both moms, and we love our…

Like, we're just, like, lights us up.

Yeah.

Um, and I think about this.

So beyond the music and therapy, what do you hope to be passing down to her?

Yeah.

Oh my God, what a great question.

Um, you know, being a mom, I have one kid.

She's 12.

It's really hard.

It's really ha- She's very much not like me in some ways, and then

she's just like me in other ways, and that's, uh, in and of itself

challenging, both of those things.

And so I'm sure I get a lot of the stuff, like, wrong, even though I

know I don't, 'cause I understand attunement, but I probably do.

And so what I really wanna pass down to her and what I really sort of,

like, hammer home is I always make a space for her to have her feelings.

Mm-hmm.

She's not, like, a very deeply feeling kid or the dramatic kid or

the kid who's crying all the time.

Like, she's not that at all.

And when she, like, there's always a space for her to back her own play.

That's what I've really tried to teach her.

Uh, like I'll give you like a example.

I went to the GI doctor.

Mm-hmm.

And I brought her with me 'cause I didn't have anywhere to take

her when she was like maybe eight.

And the nurse was very rushed, and she put a, a gown on the table and said, "Okay,

change into the gown," and whatever.

And I said, "I'm just gonna talk to the doctor.

I gotta… I wanna ta- I wanna just like tell him what's going on with me.

I don't need to change into the gown." And she said, "Everyone

has to change into a gown.

You have to change into a gown when you're here." I'm with

my little girl right there.

And I was like, "I d- I decide when I change- Right … into a gown." Right.

"Thank you very much." But the way I was raised was like, when someone

says you change into the gown, you change- Right … into the gown.

The doctor said you have to ch- And I did that, and then I turned to my

kid after she left, and I was like, "When some- You know, it's up to you

when you take your clothes off- Yes

of course.

It's up to you when you feel, 'I wanna get in the elevator with- Yeah … this

person.' It's up to you whether you wanna eat, eat and have a meal with

somebody, and how it makes you feel, and if you're gonna put food in your

body with the feelings of how you feel.

Like, it's always you gotta listen to that voice inside.

That's what talks to you, and the world will tell you to talk it away-

Yeah … and to push it down and to be polite and be nice and whatever.

Err on the other side.

Yeah.

As your normal, like agency.

Err on the side of agency- Yeah … at all costs.

Yes.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Well, thank you for that.

Thank you.

And if you guys wanna hear more from Hesta, you can catch her

iHeartRadio podcast Music is Therapy.

I have really enjoyed this conversation.

It went way too quick.

Me too.

Thank you.

And- Yeah, I know … I know, I know.

And I knew.

We both knew it was gonna be like that.

We're like, "Oh, da, da, da, da, da, da, da." Yes.

Um, but we have- I know … like our regular daily lives.

But I'm so excited and, um, thank you for joining us.

I'm so happy to be on this.

I wish you could like come over and fix my house.

Maybe.

You're gonna come on my show.

Yeah.

'Cause my Nove- my November, uh, my show, I mean- Yeah … catch my show.

DJ Hester Prins Music is Therapy- Mm-hmm … on iHeart.

It's a weekly show, and every month focuses on a different area of life:

money, career, relationship, your body.

We're talking about fun in June.

You're gonna come on in November.

We're gonna talk about home.

I have Alfredo Paredes- Nice … who is the c- the, um, creative director

of Ralph Lauren for 35 years, and now has his own, you know, his own,

uh, company and collection and brand.

And you're gonna come on.

I'm gonna have two other amazing home people come on.

Awesome.

In November, we're gonna talk about how to create the home, how to love

our homes, and how our homes are gonna feed us, and how music plays into it.

And so I have so many questions- … for you, and I actually think it

would be fun on the show to show you some pictures of my space-

Yeah … and get like your take on it.

I'm all, I'm all for a cold read.

You know?

I'm all

for a cold read.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's do that, 'cause I wanna y- I wanna like y- … I

wanna like use your expertise.

But, uh,

yeah.

This is part A to the part B. This is part one.

Yeah, yeah, part one.

Yes, that's right.

Yeah.

That's right.

So thanks for coming on.

Okay, good.

And thank you for joining the Conscious Home Podcast.