1. Introduction and Operation Eagle Claw

• Reference to current events and news
• Discussion of "Operation Eagle Claw" (Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt) 00:27
• Context: Iran hostage crisis, failed Carter rescue, and related mishaps (planes blowing up, helicopters crashing) 00:55
• Mention of Delta Force's first use 01:14

2. Historical Context of Iran

• U.S. relationship with Iran since the 1979 revolution 01:39
• Changes in Iranian society post-revolution (role of women, implementation of Sharia law) 01:57
• Recent human rights abuses (executions, rape of female protesters) 02:19
• Critique of lack of response from Western women's groups and liberals 03:24

3. Western Values and Moral Concepts

• Moral foundation of Western society: Ten Commandments 04:19
• Comparison of Western criminal law and its protections (due process, executions) 04:38
• Explanation of "malum in se" vs. "malum prohibitum" crimes 05:13
• The universality of certain moral taboos (rape, murder) 06:08

4. Revolutionary War Reflections: George Washington’s Leadership

• Historical struggles of the American revolutionaries 06:21
• Washington's strategic retreats during the war 07:57
• Washington’s early military experience and later presidency 08:17
• Analysis of Washington's humility and ego (refusal to seize or retain power) 09:46
• Importance of command decisions and the ability to retreat 10:16
• Baron von Steuben’s impact at Valley Forge 10:29

5. Delta Force, Special Forces, and Military Training

• Discussion of Delta Force origins and movie pop-culture portrayals 11:33
• Recruitment and training of Special Forces (Green Berets, Rangers) 12:23
• Language training, regional assignments for Special Forces 12:46
• Specifics of Ranger school, Rasp, and misconceptions from Hollywood movies 13:14

6. Hangar 18 and Recent Legal/Political Controversies

• Mention of Hangar 18 (not deeply explored) and move to politics 15:18
• Southern Poverty Law Center accused of funding hate groups to stoke racial tensions during Charlottesville riots 15:34
• Issues of donor disclosure and possible fraud 17:08
• Historic context of anti-racism and criticisms of "inventing" racial hatred for fundraising 19:52
• Description of the self-preserving nature of advocacy organizations and government agencies 22:20

7. Philosophical Underpinnings: Hobbes vs. Locke

• Human self-interest as foundational to Western economic and political thought 23:11
• Hobbes’ and Locke’s perspectives on government and human nature 23:37
• Locke’s influence on American government as opposed to Hobbes’ authoritarianism 24:49

8. Ilhan Omar’s Financial Disclosures and Media Bias

• Discrepancies in Rep. Ilhan Omar’s financial filings ($30M to $100k) 25:09
• Observations about media reluctance to investigate "protected" politicians 26:01
• Comparison with average Americans’ tax errors 26:41

9. Government Involvement in Private Business

• Trump’s proposal to bail out Spirit Airlines, government ownership 27:53
• Biden’s earlier block of Spirit-Southwest merger 29:02
• Debate on government’s role in private market interventions (Honda incentives, Tesla/government subsidies) 31:26

10. Ohio Supreme Court: Submetering Decision

• Submetering of utilities in apartment buildings and Public Utilities Commission’s regulatory powers 34:03
• Implications for tenants/landlords and discussion of accountability in utilities consumption 36:07

11. Ohio Property Tax Abolishment Effort

• Axe Ohio Tax group’s petition and property tax ballot initiative 38:19
• Anticipated impacts on schools, police, fire departments, and budgetary shifts 39:18
• Comparisons with Florida’s tax structure 40:08
• Personal experiences with property tax assessment disputes 41:09

12. Ohio Gubernatorial Election Ballot Issue

• Unique Ohio law: loss of candidacy if the running mate leaves ticket 42:11
• Example: Heather Hill’s votes disqualified due to running mate’s resignation 43:00

13. Virginia Redistricting Controversy

• Redistricting process, court challenge, partisan implications 44:15
• Potential for the Supreme Court to reverse and impacts on congressional representation 46:05
• Commentary on political hypocrisy in redistricting stance 48:03

14. Winners and Losers of the Week

• "Loser": Army soldier arrested for illegal betting using inside info 49:05
• "Winner": Trump’s Most Favored Nation policy lowering U.S. drug prices 50:23
• Anecdotes about prescription drug tourism 51:52
• "Winner": Podcast contributor Troy passes law school and MPRE 53:05
• Recognition of human redemption through expungement work 54:06
• Difficulties of professional license restoration after convictions 55:09

15. Concerns about Marxism and Political Extremism

• Critique of social media influencers promoting Marxism and radical ideas 56:51
• Warnings about the direction of the Democratic Party and rise of extreme left-wing thought 57:51
• Analogies to historic extremists and the dangers of legitimizing radical voices 58:22

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

All right, it is your time, it is our time, it is everybody's time for your weekly dose of common sense.

And what is Operation Eagle Claw? You would say, well, it is the Iran hostage rescue attempt. The. The failed Carter rescue.

It's in itself because, you know, he was trying to do the right thing.

Oh, yeah, it just.

It was a disaster of epic proportion. So Operation Eagle Claw was launched.

The US state, the State Department of Defense attempted to rescue the 53 embassy staff held captive by the revel revolutionary Iran Carter ordered was a disaster. Planes blew up in the desert.

I mean, they ran into each other.

They ran into each other.

Helicopters got clogged with sand. It was a mess.

I think, Steve, that, you know, our fact checker is not here, but I'm pretty sure that was the very first use of Delta Force in U.S. history.

It might be.

I think it was. And, you know, lots of lessons learned.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

You know what I mean?

In other words, 47 years of dealing with these people.

They took our. Our embassy people hostage. These people are. I mean.

Yes.

And, you know, before that, the Persians were sort of normal. Right. They had colleges, they had. They. The women were sort of in school, like on the streets, and life was good and everything was fine.

But then it was very secular. The Marxist theocracy take over and implement their version of Sharia law.

Yeah.

And here we are. Yeah. And look, I don't care what God you pray to, but. Well, when they start killing Americans, I do.

Well, I mean, just this week, you know, as part of the negotiations, Trump asked for the Iranians to, you know, express a little goodwill and not execute these eight female protesters that they had arrested and had a death sentence. And what they did, Steve, is just so inhumane.

Before they beheaded these Women or hung them, I'm not sure which, but they, they execute by beheading or hanging. Before they put them to death, they gang raped each of the eight women. All right, so we're order to prevent them. You'll, you'll.

I mean, this is the part that's just unreal.

This is insane.

In order to prevent them, within their concept of radical Islam, from going to heaven. Because if an unmarried woman has sex before she dies, she can't go to heaven.

Right? So it's.

So they gang raped her.

It's not bad enough. I mean, think about that. I mean, just, just think about this for a second.

I can't.

And tell me where in our Western civilization that this would ever be okay?

Where are the women's groups? Where are the liberals? Where are the people talking about the inhumane crimes? The, the. I mean, you can hate Trump all you want, but.

But these people are despicable. What they've done to their civilian population.

This isn't a Jewish thing. This isn't a Zionist thing. This is. People think about this. The motive for rape is horrific enough. Right?

So look, I mean, you can talk about it all you want, but the, like, raping women is bad in and of itself. But consider like all the bad motives that we would in the west ascribe to rape and then add to it the final little needle in the eye.

Because now you believe that you're going to hell.

Exactly.

You know, because I raped you. Not only have I raped you and I've taken everything you have and I'm going to cut off your head, but I'm doing it so you go to hell.

I mean, it's like we talk.

Here it is in Western civilization, we have this thing called the Ten Commandments, you know, and it's like we go way back to this idea of what is right and wrong. And this isn't a religious conversation.

No.

But this is sort of like the moral foundation for our society. And, you know, thou shall not kill, shall not covet thy neighbor. Thou shall not steal, thou shall not. Whatever.

Steve, you're a defense attorney and you know, well, all of the, I won't say impediments or checks and balances before we execute somebody in our system. It might be 10, 20, 25 years for them to exhaust every possible legal avenue before the state can compel that person to be put to death.

Yeah, and there's people that disagree with it, there's people that don't, but at least there's something.

There's something.

And what I was getting at here is like we have this understanding in criminal law norm. You remember this from your law school days, I'm sure.

Yes.

There are crimes in our society. I'm talking uniquely the western societies, going back to the Normans and the British and then it retook it and made it better. There.

There's a concept called malum in say M A L U M N S E malam and say. And what that means in Latin is it's just bad because it is like we understand certain acts, certain crimes are just bad.

Yeah.

And then we have another concept called malum and prohibitum where things are only against the law because we say they're against the law. Think like speeding or jaywalking, whatever, not paying your taxes. Yeah. These are regulatory stuff. It's just, it's a crime because we say so.

And we have deemed it that way. But certain, the fundamental nature of, of our criminal law is we want to make illegal things that are malam and say.

And whoever says that it's okay to rape and behead protesters in order that they go to hell and stop their voices. That by every definition of Western civilization as malamin say it's bad, it's just bad. And, and I'm not saying.

Look, does that justify an all out war? Not necessarily, but you have to put it into the milkshake.

Yeah, yeah. Another thing. So you know, the Iranian thing, the, the, the rescue mission that, that failed.

Another thing that going back to the revolutionary period 250 years ago, this is, this is basically the next couple of weeks leading up to the, you know, July, the July 4th, the next couple of months, I should say. Washington was basically preparing for the British to invade New York City. So he had stationed his troops on Long island and he got his ass kicked.

Is, is what's coming up. And during the, you know, the Declaration of Independence period, the Continental army was.

Suffered its first major loss and he retreated then basically up, up to the Delaware. And you know, then we know what happened later, you know, Christmas time.

Yep.

But it was, it, this was a bad time for the revolution. So when these people signed that Declaration of Independence on, you know, July 4th, they really were putting their lives on the line.

I mean, like Ben Franklin, you know, we either hang together or we're going to hang separately.

Yeah. And they, I, I think all of them probably reasonably thought they were going to lose.

Yeah, I would say, I would think, yeah.

And you know, it's interesting, the, the, I'm not a scholar by any measure on the Revolutionary War And I've said this before on the show. It's like there's historians that would say Washington's greatest victories were his retreats. And you know, he got out of New York.

Yeah.

Without they can save the army.

And he mastered his. His skill at retreating when he was an officer for the British army during the French Indian War.

Interesting.

Yeah, yeah. He. There was this battle. So he had surrendered to the French earlier in the year. Then there was another battle and they released him.

You can leave with your muskets. And they let the British. They let Washington and his. And his guys leave Fort. What was it called, Fort Recovery or something in Pennsylvania.

Anyway, he rejoined the British forces and later on was in another battle where the French and the Indians had killed off all the British commanders. And he as like a Captain Washington, he was then the most senior officer in.

Even though they lost like 650 or 800 British soldiers dead, he was able to march out of there and save like 4 or 500 of them. And it was through his skill learning how to retreat.

Yeah.

And he brought that to the Revolutionary War.

When he was president. I think he was inaugurated presidents. I can't remember the exact. So fast forward. The revolution is over. We've got Washington as president.

And basically they were asking Washington, just stay on correct. Just be.

Many people said just be the permanent president until you croak.

And he says no. He says no. Which is like when has that ever happened? When has somebody abdicated power like that?

And if you go back to this idea of retreating, here's this. Here's my pop psychology.

It says something about his ego or lack of it because there's so many people who would say, you know what, Dan, the torpedoes full steam ahead. Which is, you know, we honor that on some level. But Washington knew enough to know, I can't win this fight. I'm going to get out of Dodge.

Even though sort of telling the rest of the country, look, you know, we can't beat the British, you know, but he didn't let his ego get in the way and he saved the army.

Yeah.

And think it. Think of that command decision.

Right.

Like we've got. We've were lining up for the fight. He knows he can't win it, so he leaves.

Right.

It really pretty remarkable.

And later on save the army again.

Did it at Valley for Valley Forge Yeah. Did it again.

Brought in Baron von Steuben, you know, to teach military discipline. Brought in a Prussian general, you know, to teach military discipline to the Americans. And they did close quarter combat drills.

They really upped their game and you know, we went on to win.

We went on to win.

So.

The absolute disaster.

Which hostage hostage.

Following the 79 takeover of the US embassy in Tehran.

Oh, okay.

Jimmy Carter. President Carter sent in the Delta Force to, to try to retrieve them and there was a catastrophic equipment failure and some piloting error. But.

But it was dusty and at night and you're landing C130s and it was messy.

So Norm thinks that. Norm we not thing. We were wondering, is that the first use of Delta Force? Do you know the history of Delta Force?

I am going to open up my laptop and figure that out.

I think it was the first combat mission for Delta Force. At least that has been admitted to.

I think Special, like Special Forces in general were like started operating after Vietnam or like started. I'm sorry, during Vietnam.

It was JFK's idea.

And then Delta would have branched off from that. There's a very popular meme about the guy who actually made Delta 4 force.

Yes. And then he was on site.

Yeah. He just now actually started using social media.

So it's been very popular like this month that he's just, he's just telling us stories now about how he created everything.

The Green Berets were founded by jfk? Yeah, it was his idea.

So are these guys just badasses?

Yeah. So they recruit from all branches. Delta Force. Does they mainly recruit Green Berets?

I, I don't think there's like a reasoning for that other than that they speak another language. So it's kind of. All these guys are badass. Navy Seals, Green Berets, Special Force, PJs,.

All that Marine Recon.

Yeah, Marine Recon. They're all super badass. It's just. I think the thing that the Green Brays have is they're at least fluent in another language.

Yeah.

So that's very strategic.

So fluent. You mean like a foreign line? They speak foreign languages?

They do strategic language. If you look up Special Forces groups, every group is numbered and then that number has a language they're tailored to.

So then they focus that group into certain regions of the world.

Yeah.

So than that. That's how they. I think that's why they're most picked, because do you.

Is it a. Is it a requisite that you already know a language or do they teach a language?

They teach it. So when you go through a selection process, you first get selected, if you are actually able to participate in the program to be Special Forces.

After that, they send you through Special Forces training for a period of time, and then they send you a year through a training program to teach you the language. And then after that, they put you with your group.

All right, there's a movie on Netflix. Who's that big guy that plays Jack Reacher?

Good book, though, is Chosen Soldier. They go through the entire.

You're getting serious. I'm talking. I'm talking Hollywood here.

He's talking fantasy now.

Anyway, there was a movie where a guy. The guy who plays Jack Reacher, I saw it on Netflix or something, and he goes and fights these aliens, But.

Oh, God, aliens. He goes, cowboys versus Aliens.

But it shows. Like he was. He was showing up for special fight forces training, and they have to complete something, and they.

And I wondered how accurate that was, if you had any idea how that works.

Are you talking about, like the brand new movie? Yeah. Oh.

I mean, do you really fight aliens?

Come on, man.

But I think, you know, some of those always have some semblance of the truth on how you end up being in.

Yeah. So he's going. He's going through Rasp at the time.

All right, that's what I was asking.

Yeah.

So what is rasp?

Rats. There's two different programs. There's like Ranger school and then there's ras.

He's gonna be a Ranger, right? Okay.

Yeah, yeah. So he was trying to be a Ranger. Ranger. You see the tab? That means you're Ranger qualified. And then rasp means you have the scroll, which is like.

That's the actual, like, real more badass one that you want. But if you have the tab, you have to wear it all the time. So everybody sees it. Ranger school is just the best leadership school in the world.

That's just all it is. Gotcha. But no, there was no aliens. I don't think at the schools. I've never gone.

But they didn't have actual aliens that you fought.

I've met a plethora of people that have went to that school, and I feel like they would have mentioned that they fought aliens there. However, I mean, they might have left it out.

Okay.

And Jack Reacher started as a mechanic, and then he went to Rasp.

Yeah, well, my. My uncle Started as a cook and he went to rasp. So, I mean, you can, you can start anywhere and go the rest.

Like any job at all, they'll take anything. Now jobs have different amount of slots they're willing to give. Obviously, if you're a mechanic, you know, they're not giving a ton of the.

They're not going to waste money on that. If you're an infantry guy, sky's the limit, man. They just, they'll dump as much money to you as they can.

All right, so good. You're good for something here. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. What do you know about Hangar 18? You know so well, that's the Air Force.

Well, some amazing things have happened this past week, one of which is this. The, the indictments, the charges against the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Isn't this incredible?

Just incredible.

So we are finding out that during the Charlottesville riots and that whole confrontation, which Joe Biden said caused him to run for president in the first instance, because he said, you know, he couldn't, bro. He just couldn't brook the evilness of the skinheads and the neo Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan coming forward in Charlottesville.

And, and that guy from Ohio drove his mopar into some young lady and killed her.

And, and Biden said that this was all somehow a reflection of conservativism, which I find incredible because the Nazis were socialists, as we all know. At any rate, it turns out the Southern Poverty Law center was funneling money to these hate groups in order to stoke racial hatred.

This is incredible.

They claimed that the first blush was, oh, we weren't paying them to be hateful. Those were informants. But it has turned out, according to the FBI, that we're talking millions of dollars and it was paid to the leaders of these.

Yeah, and look, not informants. That defense is going to be.

Look, having defended such cases, these white collar fraud cases, here's what the problem is going to be with that defense. Norm, I am soliciting from you. We've created a 501c3, a charitable foundation. And our job is we're going to go fight racism in the world.

Fine.

It's a great charitable purpose. Go do it. You know, we, we, we, we're going.

To give you the.

Whatever requisite tax breaks you get, or rather the relevant tax, but you get them. So, Norm, I need you to give me $1,000,000 of your hard earned money. Now, you're gonna.

There's reasons you would give me the money beyond just being an ideologue, but you know, you would typically find a charity.

Now if, if I say to you my job, our, what we're doing is we're going to fight racism, we're employing people, we're out educating people on the streets. And you think that's a worthy cause, that's great.

But what if I said, and by the way, I'm going to give your million dollars or half your million dollars to the head of the kkk or I'm going to give them, give this organization these neo Nazis funding so they can go to Charlottesville and burn crosses or whatever they were doing, right.

And trigger a riot.

Now, you could say, look, I'm okay with that if it's for informant purposes.

So if I told you, look, by the way, we're doing this, but these are informants that we're paying and we're getting information and we're working, working with the government, great, fine. Now you could argue with that whether it's going to be, whether it's going to be effective or not.

But at least you knew as a donor what you were giving your money for.

Now what's going to happen is these people, these, these donors probably, I would call that material information that, that they would want to know, right, when, when they're giving their money to a charitable family. So, like, that's the crime, right? That's the fraud.

Well, it, so I have had this theory for a while and, and I heard it first on the radio by commentator Barry Farber, who is a conservative talk show guy.

And Barry, you know, is, is, is brilliant and he has, he's put out this idea and I agree with him that there is so racism of the violence or racism of the kind that maybe existed, you know, in Jim Crow, with. Jim Crow with the, with the lynchings and hangings and preventing people from voting, that kind of abhorrent racism.

You sure, people still hold biases in their hearts, but the kind of racism that used to happen, that people marched, you know, big D.C. marches and Martin Luther King and you know, the NAACP and all of these organizations which all did great work, the FBI, Mississippi Burning, and they really got informants about the three voter register people that went, got murdered by the Klan and they get, and they really did break up.

They did great work. Right?

They did great work, but there was so little of that in comparison to back then now that they are, they are, they're inventing racial hatred where none exists.

Right. So let's think about the motives of this. There's a couple different motives we can come up with the first would be just sort of self preservation.

Well, you're the one you mentioned already. Fundraising.

Yeah. Well, that's self preservation.

Before. Before Charlottesville, the Southern Poverty Law Law center was bringing in about 40 million a year in donations.

After the riot, which they helped finance in Charlottesville, it went to 100 million. So it worked.

It worked.

It worked. Their investment in the Klan to get the. To bolster them to do this march resulted in people like George Clooney giving them millions of dollars.

This is like, if it worked, if I create a special interest program to go solve a problem and whatever that problem is, say the problem is I. Who knows, pick a problem.

Yeah.

And I, I need 10 employees. They're each getting paid 100,000 each. And I need my own salary.

Yeah.

So I've created this organization. We've got an infrastructure. We maybe even have a brick and mortar store, like the Clinton foundation, like the Clint Foundation. So now we have.

Now we have a bunch of employees. And, you know, my own. I've been doing it for 15 years, so my own livelihood is sort of dependent upon this.

Yep.

And now, lo and behold, I solved the problem. Now what?

Yeah.

I don't have a job.

Right.

Because the problem is solved. So what do I have to do? I have to create more problems.

Exactly.

Or I have to act like we didn't solve the problem. Exactly. And this is how back you got.

These race hustlers, and I hate to.

Use that word, but like, they are, of course.

I mean, he just like out of a whole cloth. Barry Farber would say the worst thing that you can call a white person is a racist. That's the worst thing you could say.

So people are on tenterhooks, stepping around people like Al Sharpton because they don't want to be accused of being a racist.

Right.

And so they, He. He can milk them for millions of dollars and has. And has.

Yeah.

So I, you know, this is in what I think is interesting, I think it's also important to note when the government gets involved in this, the same phenomenon occurs.

It does.

So we create a special interest agency. Dei, agency, whatever.

You know, these people, it's not like they're going to go solve the problem and then stop because then they lose their jobs and they lose their livelihood. This is human nature, folks. And this is why Marxism always fails, because it doesn't account for the pesky problem of the fallen man.

Right.

That's human nature.

That's right.

We all operate on our own self interest, as much as you can Try to whitewash that. No. But as much as you can to deny it, we, we all.

Fundamental thing behind like Adam Smith and the theorists of, of market forces is that people's natural inclination, it's just built in you. It's survival instinct. Right. You know, flight or fight.

It's, it's, it's built into you to take care of yourself and your family as your number one priorities.

And, and this is why.

And the only way to, the only way to combat that, if you're on the Marxist side of things, is to create an authoritarian branch of government to smash it down.

Yeah.

And hold you at bay, at gunpoint, literally. And this is why, look back when a liberal education still meant you get a liberal arts education.

I had to read Hobbes Leviathan and I had to read John Locke and I had to read all sorts. I read Gandhi. I read a lot of stuff.

Right.

I read it all.

Probably read Marx.

I read more. I read Ingalls and Marx. I read it all. Yeah. And my first year in college, I read this stuff.

So Hobbes would say, because of what we're talking about, we need an authoritarian government to sort of keep everything in line because people always act under self interest and therefore they'll kill each other in the wild. Yeah. There's probably better scholars than. I am going back 50.

Yeah.

A long time.

Lord of the Flies theory.

Yeah.

Basically.

And then you've got Hobbes or. Yeah. Or not Hobbes. Hobbs says that. Then you've got John Locke who comes back with his treaties on government, I think two of them, and says.

Yeah, I agree with everything that, that Hobbs says.

The, the.

About the inclination of mankind. But I reached the exact opposite conclusion because mankind has figured out that we can't just kill each other and survive.

Yeah.

You know, we will figure it out our own. We have things like contracts.

Right.

We have graded systems of justice to redress for when people are wronged. And it doesn't account for everybody. There's always outliers. There's always criminals.

Right.

And there's the criminals that we have to deal with in a justice system. But Locke has said. I agree with everything Hobbs says about mankind. Why it's all why we act in our self interest.

And that's exactly why we don't need an authoritarian government.

Right.

And Hob say you do. And, and we have built ours on the Locke model.

That's right.

And these people out there, the Marxists out there are the Hobbs model, whether they'll admit it or not.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's, that's my dime store philosophical history lesson of the day.

Yeah, with that, I'll shut up. Another amazing story. And this is, this is another one that's just going to be fascinating to see how it unpeels.

And it, again, it involves the FBI, it involves possible criminal charges.

And that's the Ilhan Omar financial disclosure requirements as a member of Congress, where she and her husband, in a previous filing, which they have since revised, the previous filing said that their net assets are $30 million. Up to 30 million. They just refiled and said, no, actually it's between 18,000 and $100,000.

Now there is some big chasm there between 100 grand and 30 million. And, and, and, and she doesn't want to answer questions.

And I think it's because, going back to your DEI comments, Steve, that she has, she's checked all the boxes. Forgive me, okay. These are DEI boxes I didn't create. This is not my fault.

But she's black, she's an immigrant, she's Muslim, she's a Democrat, she's non Christian. You know it. And, and she's female.

So she's checked all these boxes in the reporters, other than say, I don't know, Axios or Fox News or Washington Times, almost no one will question her about this.

No.

Because she gets a pass somehow.

But if you ran for Congress, it changed my income. You would get grilled about it, changed my income by about 10 or $15,000 and I owed a little bit of money in tax.

And you take the hit.

I took the hit. I paid the tax. I had to pay the account to file the Harper plus, by the way, to file the amended return. And we fixed it. Right. No big deal. Yeah.

I find it.

And if you ran for Congress, that would be a public record.

The point is, is that it was like 10 or 15,000. 30 Million.

Yeah. How do you lose? How do you say.

How do you make that mistake?

And then the next year you say I'm worth only a hundred thou. I revise that.

I just. Oh, I missed a zero. A couple zeros.

Yeah. So something.

Look, I mean, I'm sure there's some reason why probably.

Steve, you'll like this. I can't now. Okay. I've said every now and then about some of the Trump policies that are, you know, and I'll get to one that I think is amazing. And.

And they're great. One of his ideas that came out this week, I just. This will just drive Steve crazy. I. So Spirit Airlines is about to, you know, tank.

I mean, they're basically teetering on bankruptcy, and they say that they're going to file, and Trump wants to bail them out with taxpayer dollars and hold a 25% government interest, like ownership in the company. Once the US government would bail them out.

Unlike the car companies where, you know, Chrysler and General Motors, the government doesn't own a piece of them. Even though we bailed them out.

Trump's saying, and I. I think it's this Wall street thing he's got in his head, that it's the president's job to save companies. And I don't know where that comes from. Steve, has the government tried to save your company or mine?

No, they tried the opposite, actually. I don't.

I don't get this. If Spirit Airlines is a airline.

Well.

And they can't operate right, and they're not, you know, they're not profitable. They go down like any other company in both ways.

So I guess in the Biden era, Biden stopped the merger between Spirit and. I forget the other one, Southwest. Was it Southwest? Yeah, Spirit in Southwest. Biden stopped that somehow. And now, because that Spirit's going.

And what. What the agenda was this, that. Look, Spirits are cheap. We don't want to. This is a great airline for the people, by the people. It means the. Not the.

Yeah.

You know, it was like, rah, rah, rah. The budget people can still get on the plane. This is great.

Yeah.

Well, because they stopped the merger, now it's going under. So now. Now we have none of it.

This is like when the point you're making is really one of economics, which is it's not the government's job to put its thumb on the scale of private business. Private businesses presumably either know how to run their business and make money or they don't.

Yeah.

And if they don't, they go under.

And I say that about Tesla.

I say that about all or any of them. Any of them. It's just, look, you either can or you can't.

And when I. I've laughed a few times saying, Trump's the first Democrat I voted for because he. He has these ideals.

That's right.

And I think Vance does. We advance. We talked to him one time, and I Asked him about this, like, look, the government can't fix all, but they think that they can.

They have this tendency, you know, and I saw this in metal, in the private.

I don't like it.

This kind of came out of World War II.

You see guys like George Bush, senior Bob Dole, a lot of your World War II veteran, GOP Republican people, you know, the space program, they have this mentality that government is the solution and government can do all. All.

Until we got to Reagan.

Yes.

Until we got to. And he tried, but even he, you know.

Yeah, right.

He couldn't even he, but you know, he like his famous quote, I'm from the government, I'm here to help. Right.

Government's not the solution to the problem. Government is the problem.

Government is the problem. Yeah. So I, I, it, it is interesting. Look, I don't like it. I don't like the government's thumb on the scale of private business.

I don't care if it's a business that, I mean, look, the problem with this is that we have to put ideology or not.

We have to put certain understanding, a foundational understanding in place because it shouldn't matter if we really like the business or if we really don't.

That's the business.

It shouldn't matter. Shouldn't matter.

Whether Biden said, I don't want to save Spirit because, or I don't want to let Spirit merge because then its prices are going to go up. That's no, that's no better motive than Trump saying, I want to help Spirit because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like the motive shouldn't matter. Whether we like the business shouldn't matter.

And this, this also applies to the state of Ohio. So my dad was a state legislator when Governor Rhodes recruited Honda to Ohio. Honda had no factories in Ohio.

Governor Rhodes started that and he rolled out lots of incentives. Right. Okay. You don't have to pay for this, you don't have to pay for that. We're to give you the Transportation Research Center.

You can h, you can own that. It's two and a half mile or four mile, you know, testing center and IT, etc. Etc. So he, he rolled out a lot and it's been great for the state of Ohio.

You could argue that Honda now has four or five factories and, and several suppliers all over Ohio. Lots of Ohioans. And, and by all accounts, Honda is a great company. So, so let's just put that out there.

What my dad said was representing the Cincinnati area is Ford Motor Company came to my dad and said, you know what? Our transmission plant down there in Sharonville, Ohio, you've done nothing for us. State of Ohio. You've done all this stuff to bring in Honda.

Well, why should we stay in Sharonville, Ohio? Maybe we should move to, I don't know, Media, Pennsylvania or Dubuque, Iowa. You know, like you're doing something for our competitor.

You're picking and choosing who to help here, but you're not helping the legacy companies like gm, Ford, Chrysler, Jeep, you know, et cetera. And you know, that's the argument.

Why are you as a government going like you say, put your thumb on the scale, pick Elon Musk and Tesla as the company that you're going to give, you know, tax breaks for people when they buy an electric car and then therefore Tesla is largely built on the backs of taxpayers. Well, why aren't you doing that for gas cars? Why just electric cars, et cetera.

That's right.

And it's in excuse. And here we are, we have a different president than Biden and Obama and this president wants to get rid of those tax incentives for electric cars.

And you're seeing the market revert back to the level playing field.

And people are like, well, if I don't get 15,000 bucks off on my taxes or 7,500 or whatever the, you know, the spiff is, well, then I'm not going to buy a hybrid or I'm not going to buy.

Of course not. Right. Because it doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any financial sense.

Right. Yep.

So.

Yep.

The Supreme Court of Ohio made a ruling this week, Steve, that what's called sub metering is, is regulatable by the state of Ohio that the pco, it's, they ruled in favor of sub metering.

And what this is, is on electrical utilities like, you know, like Duke Energy or, or aep, they are highly regulated when they want to disconnect or connect you or bill you or change their rates. The processes for all of that are controlled and regulated by the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio.

But around 2% of in of Ohio's apartment buildings have had what they call middlemen where an apartment building owner can contract with a middleman who does the billing and does the disconnecting and connecting and all that stuff instead of aep. And then that middleman buys electrical service from AEP and then rebuilds it to the tenants in the apartment buildings.

And Puco said, yeah, that's okay. The Ohio Supreme Court said, no, baby, no, that's not okay. Middlemen Electric companies are now going to be.

They're going to fall under the same regulatory constraints as the public. They are being viewed as utilities now.

Yeah. I don't know what to think of this.

It's interesting that a Republican Supreme Court would make that decision.

I don't know what to think. Well, it's because it's the government. Because what's happening is I think these resellers are selling it at a lower price. Oh.

The contention is that they were jabbing.

People, they were jamming people. Okay. Well, maybe that's the.

Because it gets the landlord out of the loop. Either he or she then doesn't have to deal.

I don't know the facts to argue, to comment on this.

It's like property management.

Yeah, no, I get it.

Yeah.

So we have the. I forget what they're called. We have meters. There's like a weird. There's an inch. There's a quirky name for it. Wildcat.

Or, you know, because I've looked into doing that here in my building. It's like we have one meter service and somebody's going to split it all up and do the building for different tenant. It's like.

And my building was too small and out of 10 to do it. But I understand what's going on.

Well, you know, some landlords, like, include utilities. Like it's, it's in your rent. But what that leads to when it's free. Right. Is.

Is tenants will just say, well, hell, turn the heat, you know, 40 below zero. Crank it up, crank it up, open the windows.

I lived in a condo complex for a while that had like six units and we all had the same water. And the water was split up evenly between the units and it caused a little bit of strife. Right.

Because what happens is you don't care when your toilet's running and broken.

Yeah.

Or you're washing your car every day, or you're washing your car every day, or you take 50 minute showers instead of 10. You know, it's like you don't care. And electric's the same way.

If you don't see the bill directly, then you tend not to care about how much power you're using.

Yeah. And this was a way.

Again, we're back to Hobbs.

This is a way to bill each individual tenant for the electric that they are using.

So I think what happens is it ends up saving the tenant's money. When I was told because I, I was working to try to convert my complex, I was working with the.

There was only six of us, but I was saying let's, let's pay this company to come in.

Yeah.

Split up this water for us and bill us individually. Okay. And I was told by some realtor buddies who do property management that almost always the water bills go down. Almost always.

Yeah.

Because now they're accountable because people don't use as much.

Right.

So may.

I don't know what, I don't know what the, I don't know where the bodies are buried on this one, but I'll have to read the decision before I can comment.

Yeah. Yeah. Another thing we've talked about on this show before, this Axe Ohio tax group has. They need 640 or 620,000 signatures to get that.

To abolish the property tax in Ohio. To get that on the ballot. Not, not to abolish attacks, but to get the initiative on the November ballot. And they're halfway there.

They held a press conference and said they have 305,000 signatures. They need 315 more over the next three months in order to put that on the November ballot. So it seems to be a real deal like, like these people.

Are we some momentum there?

We shall see. I, I, I, I'll believe when I see it. Yeah, I'll believe when I see it.

So what do you think, Steve? What's your prediction if it's on the ballot and Ohioans have the chance to abolish the property tax?

I think they'll do it.

You think they'll do it?

I think they'll do it.

Wow, that'll be epic. Yeah.

But here's the thing.

Wow.

This is like, I look at it this way. You've got a dike, right. So that's holding back the water. If there's a leak here and you plug that one.

Well, you know, if there's a, you're going to have to, they're going have to, like, somewhere we're going to have to meet the budget either way. So you can say drastically cuts or dra. I mean, come on. That doesn't happen.

But it'll be local. It'll be schools, fire departments and local police. Police that get. Really.

That's right. So somewhere that funding is going to have to come.

And so what I'm saying is you can say that we're going to eliminate property taxes, but it's going to be replaced by something.

So you, as you pointed out, it could be, it could be budget cuts, and maybe initially it will be, but eventually the government doesn't stop spending money. It never stops spending money. It never rolls back we already talked about this. It's the same as the, as the Southern Poverty Law Center.

They're not going to say, look, no, we got less money to work with, so we'll start making cuts. No, they're going to tax you somewhere else.

So this is the flip of Florida's financing. In Florida, they don't have an income tax.

Yeah, but they have a huge, but.

They have a huge property tax.

They have a well, and they have a huge tourist business. You know, they have hotel taxes. So they have consumption resort taxes. And they have people coming down.

I mean, so they have other, they have other means of income down. Yeah, they do. So.

But their property taxes are pretty high.

So we should get Vi here to talk about this and see what his plan is on the other end. Because, I mean, look, and he has.

Promised t a property tax cuts. He doesn't like this idea, so he's saying, I'll fix it. Please don't pass this thing. Yeah, but you think people will.

I think in this economic climate, we, with the cost of living.

Look, would I vote not to pay property tax? You bet your ass I would.

Yeah.

No, sh.

I think I, I, I feel like you're right.

I mean, again, this is like, for.

Feel like you're right.

I love, I love it when we find these little, these little common themes to go through our show because this is the same thing we're going to act out of our self interest.

Like, if I can save like the property tax, I don't know if it's going to work for commercial and residential, but the property taxes I pay here in this building, it's freaking lunacy. I fight with them every two years about this and they claim my building is worth all this money. And I'm like.

And they say, what's your evidence that it's not. I tried to list it.

And didn't you get an audit? I did because I have some property in Franklin county also.

And yeah, I got a thing from the auditor that said the Franklin county assessment is being redone this year.

Yeah, I had that last year and they raised my taxes by. And I fought it the first year. I fought it and I won because I just bought the building and they said it was worth a million.

You're like, well.

And they're like, what's your evidence? I said, well, I just bought it for this. It was like open to the market and I just bought it for this.

And I tried to get it as low as I could and I think it's worth it. Right so this is what the market says it's worth. I won that one this year. I lost. So this is another. You have to go hire somebody.

There's a company that comes in and fights it for you, and that costs like 10 of what you save. So you just get screwed no matter what. It is pretty difficult, but in self interest, people will vote.

Like, if I could eliminate the $30,000 a year in property taxes I pay, I would do it.

This is a weird little story, so it just merits. It's kind of a throwaway thing. I actually didn't know this, which is a shame on me. But in Ohio, when you run for governor, you run as a ticket.

And if your running mate decides he or she wants to drop off the ticket, your, your, your votes for you don't count anymore. It's not like you get to replace that person. So if you have filed for the primary as a ticket.

So this lady, a Republican lady in Cleveland named Heather Hill, she was an Ohio candidate for governor. Right. She's on the Ohio. She was in the primary. She's on printed ballots.

She got in a fight, believe it or not, with her running mate, a guy named Stuart Moats. And she said that he made inappropriate advances to her and used a racial slur. She's African American. I don't know his race.

But at any rate, he then in a tiff said, okay, I'm done, I'm off the ticket. I withdraw.

Yeah. Bye, bye, bye, bye.

So Frank Larose, our Secretary of State, put out a memo to all of the election boards in Ohio that they cannot count votes for Heather Hill for governor because her running mate dropped out. So now.

Yeah, I don't even know what to think of this.

I mean, I didn't know that.

Yeah, it's.

I just assumed you could pick somebody. Kind of like if they died, I could say, hey, Troy, you know, this person dropped off my ticket.

Do you, you know, would you like to be lieutenant governor? Yeah, I guess not. You can't do that.

Troy must be a criminal defense lawyer.

Yeah, you would be at least as good as Trestle as lieutenant governor.

I don't know what a lieutenant governor even does.

Cuts ribbons.

Oh, yeah. I, I kill that job.

You'd be good at that.

Finish up your PRs.

So anyway, I thought that was an interesting thing, and I had not even known she was running.

So what about, speaking of running for elections, what do you think about this Virginia deal? The redistricting in Virginia? This is a, this is a huge, monumental.

Yes.

And the judge block Seismic shift. The judges blocked it, but I hear tell that it's a Republican judge. And the Virginia Supreme Court is likely not to.

The Virginia Supreme Court is likely to reverse. The judge of blocked it. Meaning.

That's interesting. So in Ohio, our Republican Supreme Court has struck down until.

Until the last one, I think Frank LaRose and the panels of Republicans, they took a redistricting plan to the Ohio Supreme Court, I think four or five times.

This went on a couple years ago. Yes.

And it was struck down by Republican Supreme Court justices until they finally worked out something in agreement with the Democrat Party. And they took. They took that plan and it passed muster.

But apparently what Glenn Youngkin did as governor in Virginia is he created a bipartisan panel. He took it away from the legislators.

They passed some kind of law or amendment to the Virginia Constitution, and they had a system until this vote that. The one that you're talking about, Steve, until they changed it. They had an independent commission, equal, both parties. Right.

Nonpartisan, supposedly, that would come up with these districts. And my understanding is in Virginia, Republicans are about 48% of the population and Democrats are 52.

And the current congressional representation is seven, or excuse me, eight Democrats and seven Republicans.

So it's about right.

It's about right.

Yeah.

This new plan is going to just.

10 To 1 at that point. Yeah.

So I wonder if the Supreme Court can hold its nose and agree to allow this.

Well, so I. Look, the people voted for it is the sort of the human cry on the, on the left the people voted for it.

And on the right they're saying, wait a minute, what if people voted for slavery?

I mean, there's some things that are unconstitutional.

Well, I. But I think the process of the vote might have been. I, I think the. So what happens is I should read the decision and I can give a better.

But I can give a better breakdown. But here's what I'm guessing you want to hear my guess.

He put a stay on it, right?

He put a stay. So there was a challenge to the process. So basically the Republican side of things says this was unconstitutional.

The vote did not follow the proper procedures here in Virginia for such a vote, whatever those are.

So he stayed the certification that this had. Yes.

And so the Republicans go and they file for what we call injunctive relief. They want a temporary restraining order preventing implementation of this rule or this new procedure or the new districts until it's.

The courts have time to litigate it all. And I hear. Well, I've heard both sides. I've just doing Some quick research while we're on the show. It's like there's people that say both ways.

Virginia uphold it, the Supreme Court won't, so we'll see.

But really, I've heard different commentators on this and one of the arguments is, well, let it all happen, you know, burn it down because then Florida's doing the same thing and then some other states will do the same thing and all sort of fix itself in the end.

Others are saying, wait a minute, this is a huge problem for Republicans and we, the Republican Party should have been in on this, fighting this tooth and nail from the nationally. Tooth and nail. Yeah, I, I don't know where I am on it. I, I, you know, look, I know, I know this. I don't have any control over it here.

No, not a darn thing I can do about it. Here.

Is another one of these actions like gun control. I, there's a couple of things she did Amy or not Amy.

Well, oh, she was going to do the same thing, but the stamber, the new governor of, of Virginia, she campaigned as a moderate.

She's far from it.

Right?

Yeah. And she kind of did an Obama, you know, campaigned as a middle of the road, hey, I'm kind of Clintonesque.

I'm, you know, all about business and all about, you know, you know, being moderate and, and then once in office, you know, pretty radical. And so she said she was against, you know, this kind of gerrymandering when she was a candidate. And then once she became governor, she.

Was all, yeah, she's all for it. I'm sure she'll decline to sign it. Right.

So when a loser. I'm going to do this loser because we talked about the US army at the top of the show. This is an amazing thing.

So I don't know much about what they call the poly market or the prediction market at. Yeah, I see two.

You got the exchequer over there.

Yeah.

There's this, there's this army soldier, Gannon, Ken Van Djk, who has been arrested for using his inside information, national security information that he had.

Cryptocurrency.

Yeah. A foreign. He created a false name to try to cover his tracks and for. And the FBI's all over. He's. He's going to get charged with up to. He's.

He's eligible for as much as 60 years in prison for this. A 38 year old, I think US soldier. So he's in serious shit. He is the loser of the week.

He is the loser of the week. All right, so Mike, you want to do your winner? You want me to get to my.

Oh, yeah. My winner would just. It's real fast.

It's amazing to me that this Trump, RX and Trump, what do they call it, Most favored nation status with the drug companies is, Is starting to really work.

So this week, the 17th drug company, Regeneron, agreed to provide free gene therapy drugs to America's poorest, you know, drug dependencies or consumers. And one of the drugs, rfk, kind of messed up his math when he gave testimony. But one of the drugs involved, Steve, was $600 per dose. It's now $10.

There you go. Imagine that.

And that's because Trump has this idea, shocking, right, that Americans shouldn't be paying any more than Canadians or Italians or, you know, Ecuadorians or any other country. We should be getting the same prices. Right. Most favored nation treatment by our own drug company.

Right.

And if you want to sell to Medicaid. Right. You have to be in his program. Good for him.

Yeah. I mean, again, this is the government getting. So here's the problem with healthcare is. Problem with all this. The government's already involved.

They're already involved. Off.

Right. And, and so then, then it's for.

The research, the unfair part. Like. So I used to be the lobbyist for Ohio's bus companies. Okay. This is. Goes back a couple decades, Steve.

They would do tours to Windsor, Canada for old folks specifically to run up there from Ohio, cross the border, shop for their drugs, jump back in the bus and come back to Ohio.

It's crazy.

So, I mean, there was drug tourism, prescription tourism.

I thought you're gonna tell me they're going to Windsor to go to the strip clubs and gamble.

Well, they might have done that too, you know.

All right, Troy, what you got over there?

Kind of stole my biggest loser. I really wanted to do the gambling one, but there's some other news. There's one of the counter, counterterrorism secretaries for Trump here.

I don't know how actually high up she is. She's in this whole racket where she's having sugar daddies following her, a bunch of money.

Oh, I did see this. Right. She's looking for A sugar daddy.

W. I mean, she's very qualified for that position of trying to find sugar daddies. She's pretty talented looking, but I thought that was just kind of funny. My. My winners though, she's loser.

My winners though is I finished up law school this week and I passed mpre. I found that out this morning also.

All right, so what was that last past wedding?

Past the NPR ethics, like bar exam thing.

Oh, nice.

Well, look, I. My winner was going to be our hero over here, Troy, because he did.

I didn't know about the MPR until just now, but I didn't know either Troy has now passed the bar exam or passed or gotten through law school. Now he can sit for the bar exam, see if he wants to do this job for a living. And he's passed the MPRE too. That's part of the bar exam.

It used to be baked into it. Now it's separated out. It's called the model Professional Responsibilities Examination. So they teach you how to be an honest lawyer?

I dare you to figure that one out. But apparently Troy is qualified to be an honest lawyer.

Have you been fingerprinted, printed yet?

Yes, but for like, you know, personal reasons.

Other.

Yeah, don't worry about the fingerprinting. All right, so look, I got some other winners and losers. Another winner I have is.

Look, I. I've developed somewhat of a record ceiling and expungement practice upstairs, my law practice of Palmer Legal Defense. And you know, I did this as a means to add some extra income to the top line line and even the bottom line for that matter.

But I've realized something along the way. There is a such thing as human redemption.

There's a such thing as people making fundamental changes in their lives, putting their past behind them and being able to move forward. And I've done expungements and record ceilings over the years, but now I've got this first hand approach.

I had a young man, I've had two young men this week, both of whom made significant mistakes in their. One as a juvenile and the other as a. As a 18 year old. And now, you know, years later to go into court, I get to hear what they've done.

Because of this, I continued with my counseling. I stopped using alcohol, I don't use drugs anymore. Or I was spending all my time in the basement on the Internet. I don't do that anymore.

I started a business doing this because I couldn't get a job because I had a family felony. So I got enterprising over here. I mean, it's like, really remarkable what humans are capable of doing when we let them do it.

And so, like, this redemption that I'm seeing, it really compared to what my other practice is, helping people at their worst. Now I get to help people at their best.

So, Steve, can I ask you a question about this? I know we're short on time, but just. I was at a federal court, and I heard a judge.

You know, I was just in the audience there to support somebody, and I was in a federal courtroom, and the judge passed it, you know, his. His sentence down on a certified public accountant here in Ohio. And that.

That young man, I mean, guy in his 30s, I think, and he lost his license to be an accountant. And it crushed me to hear that because it was. It was overgrowing, you know, marijuana. You know, it was. It was. To me, okay, yes, that's a crime.

And it's, you know, when he should be punished. And I get all that. The idea that you lose your profession, you lose everything. Steve, it crushed me.

Is there any way that somebody who loses their law. License, medical license?

Yeah, it happens all the time.

Can they get that back?

It happens all the time. I represent plenty of surgeons over the years that had pill or addiction issues and gotten trouble. And.

And, you know, we can get them through the system, and sometimes there's a way to divert them out of the system and get into treatment. But even if they get convicted, there's usually ways back for those kind of professionals, especially if it has to do with addiction, but not always.

So, look, I mean, a federal conviction is not expungeable. You don't get. I mean, that's on your record forever. You've got it forever.

And it's up to the licensing board now whether they want to make an exception to it. So it's not easy.

Not bad.

It's not easy. So make wise choices, folks. That was my good.

My bad is I happen to stumble into somebody talking about this Hassan Piker interview at the New York Times. This guy, some social media. I think he was a twitch guy. Troy, is that right?

About Clav?

Yeah. I don't know.

He has a podcast of some kind.

He has a pod, but he's a. He's a Marxist, he's a communist, and he's out there with his millions talking about the Luigi mange.

Yeah, he's talking about how that was a good murder. He's talking about. Yeah, I. Stealing is good. If. Like, if it's. And.

And, like, if it's from a private grocery store, that's Good, because they bake it into the cake. Anyway, I would steal from the Louvre. He says we need that kind of crime. And he's totally cool with killing the insurance executives.

I mean, he accused him of some kind of. What do you call it? Financial murder. That this health care company.

Yeah.

Was financially murdered.

They were financially murdering people because they were dying people coverage, and they were dying. Now, there's no stat. Like people just spew this stuff out without any sort of detail. But.

And just so you know, he's hanging with the likes of Zoran Mandami, Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama. Like these, these people.

These are on his podcast.

These are freaking Marxist lunatics who don't like our country. He says our country has no redeeming value. He's not a patriot in any way. Remember that, because this is taking hold and it's scary, scary stuff.

So. So let's pick an equally unsavory person like David Duke. Right? Back in the day, he was Ku Klux Klanner.

Can you imagine a former president like Obama or George Bush Jr going on David Duke's podcast?

No.

Why would you go on a podcast of a guy who. Who says murdering a healthcare executive by shooting him in the back of the head was a good kill?

I have conversations with my beloved Democratic Democrat friends all the time, most of whom are not into this. And I think there's, like, I. I think we need to watch this very carefully because the Democratic Party is slowly being succumbed by this.

And it's not the Kennedy democrats of the 60s. No, you know, it's not. And they don't believe in the country. They don't believe in any of this.

So that's why we're here, giving you common sense and explaining to you with real people who just happen to look at the news and think about it a little bit. So anyway, brought to you every week by Harper plus Accounting. Our accountant could be yours.

I'm sure he's resting on a beach somewhere after a tax season. It's not true, actually, but he should be. Check him out. Harper plus Accounting. Thanks to the Exchequer over there. Troy, our beloved co host.

I don't know what you are over there. You're something. But he's now going to be a.

Lawyer, soon to be a barrister.

A barrister. It's not too late, I tell him every day. But anyway, I'll be coming at you right from the middle each and every week.