Shownotes
We're venturing deep into a range of issues affecting our sense of common sense and morality in society, from controversial laws about defining and tackling anti-Semitism passed by the House of Representatives to campus controversies involving the American flag and protests at public universities.
We also dive into discussions on the role of Marxist ideologies in education, skepticism about the expansion of Title 9 regulations, and the eyebrow-raising habits of government in regulating free speech and firearms.
Additionally, we touch on global perspectives, making sense of the involvement of foreign governments in educational plots, understanding different immigration policies and their impacts, and discussing the contradictions in advocating for free speech rights.
We also share some lighter topics, like a striking trivia related to World War 2, our experiences with roller coasters in Ohio, the land of thrill, and a quirky celebration of National Wear a Helmet to Work Day.
Common Sense Moments
00:00 Student claims military words came from camp.
09:13 Biden calls those against open borders racist.
13:18 Holocaust Remembrance Alliance adopted definition of antisemitism.
17:48 Flag replaced, protested, protected, and went viral.
22:53 Born in 1970, saw protests, no daycare.
26:39 Son takes over home, demands money, confronts father.
32:35 Visiting memorial provides enlightening historical perspective.
40:40 Incentives matter: Subsidies lead to more activity.
44:17 Justify firing and hiring based on lawsuit concerns.
50:15 Government intrusion through gun registration raises concerns.
54:33 Police surprise man and woman during raid.
57:06 Social media evidence exposes officer's misconduct.
01:05:05 Ohio secretary of state's program removes inactive voters.
01:07:40 Obvious standards for gun purchase and voting.
Common Sense Takeaways
1. **Challenging Anti-Semitism Legislation**: Exploration of the nuances and legal implications of new legislation intended to tackle anti-Semitism and its potential conflict with free speech principles.
2. **Campus Free Speech**: Analysis of the ongoing controversy over free speech rights on university campuses, specifically highlighting the perceived imbalance in how conservative vs. leftist ideologies are treated.
3. **Government Role in Education**: Critique of governmental influence in universities, especially regarding the push for certain ideologies and the corresponding implications for students who may hold differing views.
4. **Flag Display Controversy**: Discussion on the patriotism and principles behind defending the American flag in public institutions, along with reactions to replacing it with symbols representing other nations or causes.
5. **Role of Marxism in Art and Education**: Examination of Marxist influences in modern art and educational institutions, questioning their value and return on investment for students and society.
6. **Impact of Civil Rights Legislation on Hiring**: Evaluating the effects of Title 7 and Title 9 on employment practices, particularly the tension between promoting diversity and the potential infringement on personal freedoms in hiring decisions.
7. **International Influences in Education**: Insight into the presence of foreign-funded educational programs, such as Confucian centers, and their potential implications for educational independence and ideological integrity.
8. **Professional Protesters and Foreign Interference**: Delving into the phenomenon of professional protesting and the historical instances of unrest potentially funded or influenced by foreign entities, underscoring concerns about national stability.
9. **Legacy of World War II in Popular Culture**: Reflecting on the intriguing case of Leonard Dawe, his crossword puzzles during WWII, and the broader implications of pop culture elements inadvertently intersecting with significant historical events.
10. **Legal Consequences of Campus Protests**: Debating the legality and ethics of recent protest actions on college campuses, including the treatment of faculty and other students involved, and the comparison to professional workplace standards.
Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.
Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.
Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.
Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.
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Transcripts
Alright. Here we are. Time again, May 3, 2024. Time for commonsenseohioshow.com. And, you know, why do I say commonsenseohioshow.com? Because that's where you can go check out all the latest and greatest and all the oldest and can't think of another word to work, but all the old episodes for Common Sense Ohio Show. You can also subscribe, like, get to your podcast subscription, places right there at commonsenseohioshow.com. We are brought to you day in and day out by Harper Plus Accounting. Finished, my Q1.
Steve Palmer [:Got all my tax returns done with Glenn. Been a guest on the show. Any issues with your accounting, they got it. They got you covered. And now they've got this even you know, I think they focus a lot on entrepreneurs and business owners, small, large, medium, whatever. But, they've also got a new division doing with your transactional stuff. So if you're thinking, well, I don't need an accountant, it's you know, I don't need to pay all that for an account. They got you covered.
Steve Palmer [:You know, it's it's like a step above the guys with the signs, flip them around on the side of the road, trying to entice you in.
Brett Johnson [:That's gotta be the most best feeling to work with somebody like that.
Steve Palmer [:Come on. Like, that's who you want working your taxes. But, anyway, apparently, it's motorcycle helmet day because Norm has got his motorcycle helmet on.
Norm Murdock [:National wear a helmet to work day.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Well, did you ride your bike in?
Norm Murdock [:No. No. No. It's, it's supposed to rain today, so I didn't I didn't ride. But had my helmet on last night and for some test and tuning at Mid Ohio. Anyway, it's wear your helmet to work, not wear your helmet while you're working. So I'll
Steve Palmer [:take it off. Take your headphones off too, everybody.
Norm Murdock [:But they actually have a day for, yeah, wearing a helmet.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Is it a Hallmark day? Buy a card for you helmet wearing SOBs? Yeah. So, you know, before we dive into all the weighty news topics, and there are plenty, we do a world war 2 fact of the day. And, you know, last couple of weeks, 3, 4 weeks, I've gotten sort of heavy with it and then found some stuff that I've linked up to current times. I'm just gonna go trivia this week. On May 3rd so there's a guy out there named Leonard Dawe, d a w e.
Brett Johnson [:You ever heard of him?
Steve Palmer [:No. I hadn't either. But he worked for the Daily or, he was a professor in England back in World War 2, round about May 3rd ish. Before that, he had become the setter for the Daily Telegraph. I had to look up what the hell a setter was. A setter is somebody who creates crossword puzzles.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, really? I was gonna say I thought it was probably the type, the
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. You're
Steve Palmer [:type setting or something. That's what I thought too. Yeah. But, no, it's a guy who he's a guy who created crossword puzzles. Now, crossword puzzles apparently sort of emerged in the twenties out of, the United States, and it caught on like wildfire everywhere. The Daily Telegraph, even the subscriptions went up when they started offering crossword puzzles. And this guy, Leonard Dawe was a setter. He created great crossword puzzles.
Norm Murdock [:Cool.
Steve Palmer [:But on this day, this so my sources sometimes give me different days. So it might be May 2, it might be May 4, but, you know, roundabout now. Yeah. And by the way, I was gonna I was gonna talk about the end of World War 2, but because that's gonna happen. We'll do that next week.
Norm Murdock [:Okay. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Around about now, in 1944 emerged, a series of crossword puzzles that the solutions were sword, Juno, Mulberry. What was the other one? All Omaha.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, boy.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. And, you know, you would say
Norm Murdock [:In May. In May. Before d Day
Steve Palmer [:Before d Day.
Norm Murdock [:How is this guy getting these?
Steve Palmer [:These were the answers to the crossword. So it's like there was a clue that led you to those words. And I don't
Brett Johnson [:reading it again. I'm getting I I
Steve Palmer [:I didn't spend a whole lot
Norm Murdock [:of time. High command should have been doing his crossword puzzle.
Steve Palmer [:Right. So m I 6 or whatever the Brit you know, the spy people got involved, and they, you know, they grabbed the guy, and they started interviewing him. They, you know, it's like this mystery still to this day. Yeah. How did he
Norm Murdock [:get those things?
Steve Palmer [:Get those things? He was eventually released and set back, and that was that. It is and then in 19
Norm Murdock [:You're saying a crossword puzzle guy was arrested?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Well, a question Holy crap. Who created it was like, well, how the hell do you know this? And what are you doing by disseminating this information? Is there some sort of Nazi spy intrigue going on?
Brett Johnson [:It'd be
Steve Palmer [:a great movie. You know? You could put Tom Cruise at this guy or something. Yeah. But, anyway, they, they investigated about 40 years later, 40 years the 40 year anniversary of D Day. Somebody comes forward and says, why was this guy's student? And it turns out, this is what they think. How he would create crosswords by bringing his students in to say, give me some words. Like, here here's the you know, give me some words that match this grid or whatever.
Norm Murdock [:Okay.
Steve Palmer [:And then he would go back fill with clues.
Norm Murdock [:Okay.
Steve Palmer [:And the student said, yeah. I I gave him words. And, you know, it turns out there was a military training camp right nearby the school and the officers and the and the enlisted guys had less than tight lips about the stuff. And he claims that he heard some of these words and gave those to the professor who then backfilled clues in. Wow. Whether that's true or not, who knows? It's still a mystery. And, you know, trying to read, like, the British rags on this, you know, they've got their little British quippy Yeah. Way to talk about.
Steve Palmer [:But I I never found that it was definitively established. But I think what people believe is that the students overheard soldiers, talking about that and then backfilled it in, or then he later backfilled it in with clues. So there you go. That was round about May 3, 1940 Do you know 44.
Norm Murdock [:Do you know what Juno even means? I don't even know what that word means.
Steve Palmer [:It's a place in Alaska.
Norm Murdock [:Well, you know the
Brett Johnson [:same way?
Norm Murdock [:You know no. No. Okay. J u n o is
Steve Palmer [:how it
Brett Johnson [:I don't know where it came from.
Steve Palmer [:Sword is obviously
Brett Johnson [:Which is
Norm Murdock [:which was one of the beaches.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Geno Sword Omaha.
Norm Murdock [:And it sounds like Greek mythology or something. I don't know what I don't know. J u n o. Well, anyway Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:No. You're right. No. We got this thing right in front of you.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, it's just one of those irritating little factoids. I've never bothered
Brett Johnson [:looking up.
Norm Murdock [:And it is funny, Omaha Beach. Right? So, like, there is no place in Nebraska that has a beach. Right.
Brett Johnson [:You know? Yes. You know? Yeah. You know? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's that's
Norm Murdock [:true. I don't know. Like, is Juno maybe like a Morse code? Like, you know, when you say Jay, it's Juno. I don't
Brett Johnson [:I don't know.
Steve Palmer [:Maybe a goddess, I think.
Norm Murdock [:There you go. Hera. So it is like a a mythological Okay. Person.
Brett Johnson [:Juno spacecraft.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. So here we go. Here we go. Hera, daughter of Cronus and Rhea, mother of Zeus, was associated with all aspects of life, all aspects of the life of women. The goddess of women, marriage, and childbirth, she was known by the Romans as Juno. Homer gave Hera the epithet oxide because of her large full eyes, and described her as tall and striking.
Norm Murdock [:And I'm guessing the Roman calendar picked up her name for the month of June.
Steve Palmer [:Probably. Yeah. Probably. Probably. Alright. So we
Brett Johnson [:Well, anyway.
Steve Palmer [:We all probably we all know a lot of stuff collectively, but we didn't know that.
Norm Murdock [:Well, we've we've I mean, that's fascinating,
Steve Palmer [:actually. Fascinating as it is. We should probably cool. Bump on.
Norm Murdock [:Absolutely. Well, start off with some gaffe stuff. I so Biden, he he made a a statement in some kind of foreign policy speech a couple days ago, and he remarked that Japan and India have racist
Steve Palmer [:Xenophobic, he called that.
Norm Murdock [:Xenophobic.
Steve Palmer [:Because they're not letting immigrants in flooding their borders like we are.
Norm Murdock [:Like we are. And so it's
Steve Palmer [:Well, hold on.
Norm Murdock [:It's true about their immigration policy. Whether it's from xenophobia or not, I I can't answer that. I don't know.
Steve Palmer [:Well, who cares?
Norm Murdock [:But Japan It's
Steve Palmer [:their country.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Japan, I think now this is a couple of years old, but Japan had only taken in, under refugee, status, 4 people. 4.
Steve Palmer [:Well, first of all, look how look how big Japan is. Yeah. I mean, they don't have the vast geographical area that we have.
Norm Murdock [:They and India are jammed
Steve Palmer [:with Yeah. They got they got plenty of people already. Secondly, because we have plenty of people as do we. Right? So we don't need anymore. At least not ones that are coming in illegally and not paying taxes and sucking off the government teeth of, benefits. Like, we don't we don't need any more of that. No. So we we should have every right to refuse it.
Steve Palmer [:And and, you know, there are some commentators saying, like, look at London. What's going on with that city?
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And and some cities in Germany, same thing. I mean
Norm Murdock [:The the Netherlands.
Steve Palmer [:The Netherlands. And, you know, the Scandinavian countries are finally catching wise to this because they let this in. And, you know, they're a very homogenistic culture.
Norm Murdock [:Wasn't it the great great grandson of Vincent Van Gogh that was murdered in the Netherlands by because he he drew a cartoon of Mohammed. Mhmm. And Okay. Yeah. A radical, like, killed him, stabbed him to
Brett Johnson [:death
Norm Murdock [:in public.
Steve Palmer [:So Biden with his nonsense, really what he's calling you folks, what he's calling us, what he's calling everybody, anybody who doesn't support open borders, illegal immigration. I don't I'm not saying immigration. I'm saying unlawful, illegal, wide open borders. Come in and do what you please, you criminals, you people, whatever you are for whatever purpose Right. Then you're xenophobic. Right. You're racist. If you don't so it's the classic leftist trope.
Steve Palmer [:Classic. Like like Agree with me or
Norm Murdock [:you're a racist? If you said all lives matter, including black lives, including any You're
Steve Palmer [:a racist.
Norm Murdock [:You're a racist.
Steve Palmer [:Racist. Right.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. And and poking at your allies.
Norm Murdock [:That's the
Brett Johnson [:thing. Poking at your I mean
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Oh my gosh. I just was like, is that the
Steve Palmer [:He's a moron of the highest order.
Brett Johnson [:I'm not the highest. Say it. The it's like The Japanese emperor is probably going, what the fuck? Well, the
Steve Palmer [:prime minister. Prime minister.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. He's taking his head. He's gotta be shaking his head going, hunky.
Norm Murdock [:Like, out of nowhere Right. You're calling my culture or my country xenophobic.
Brett Johnson [:Thanks, buddy. Thanks, buddy. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Like like, you you could talk behind
Steve Palmer [:the scenes.
Brett Johnson [:Stick it
Steve Palmer [:up your ass and break it off. That's what I'm saying.
Norm Murdock [:Right. You know, like, could you take a few more refugees?
Brett Johnson [:So, look, at the same time Wow. We're, like, his his
Steve Palmer [:I'm done. Yeah. You know, it's like Yeah. It doesn't
Brett Johnson [:make sense. The
Steve Palmer [:the policies are so absurd right now or lack of policies are so absurd.
Norm Murdock [:They're absurd.
Steve Palmer [:And to say that other people are xenophobic for not adopting our ridiculousness is ridiculous.
Brett Johnson [:Right. That's that's that's the point right there.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Yeah. It's it's ridiculous.
Norm Murdock [:He also gave a speech, I think yesterday, he finally decided to speak about the college, campus unrest where the police are finding about 50% of the people being arrested in general at, you know, or being apprehended and then let loose. That about 50% of the people are not students on that campus.
Steve Palmer [:They're professional protesters. Exactly.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, really? I hadn't heard of that.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. About half. It's about half. And he said in his remarks something that I guess you could say this is aspirational, but it should not turn into legislation, which the house passed this bill. So Biden said, you know, there's no room, for hate speech. And as painful as it may be, yes, there is, mister president. Hate speech should be perfectly legal.
Steve Palmer [:Man, doesn't it it's like I hate that word. I hate that word. Hate that
Norm Murdock [:word, but like
Steve Palmer [:me think of Orwell. So I remember reading 1984. And our kid I don't think my sons had to read 1980 4, which is a telling problem with public education.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah. Right.
Steve Palmer [:But I had to read 1984, and there was all sorts of words like that, doublespeak and ministry of truth.
Norm Murdock [:And Right.
Steve Palmer [:You know, hate speech sounds like something very Orwellian right out of 1984.
Norm Murdock [:Because who decides what is hate?
Steve Palmer [:That's right.
Norm Murdock [:And and there is nothing so everybody knows I I say and I do mean, I love everybody, but that that doesn't mean other people have to. The people can hate me and they can talk about how they hate me and and they can give
Brett Johnson [:us a
Norm Murdock [:beat. Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:What is hate? Right. So hate is even morphed, but this is important. Yeah. So hate isn't just hate. It isn't just name calling. It's morphed into you don't agree with me.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:And and think about how dangerous that is.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Because it's a hop, skip, and a jump from complete complete dismantling of the First Amendment. I mean, it really is the gateway to getting rid of free speech. This is hate speech. So all free all speech is free except some speech is freer than others back to Orwell. Right? So it's like, like, you know Yeah. All animals are created equal except some are more equal than others. And and who is the arbiter of that? Biden? That guy came and read a freaking teleprompter without saying the word pause.
Norm Murdock [:Well, I mentioned, the house so it's not a law yet, but the house passed a a a bill, on Wednesday.
Steve Palmer [:I mean, we're sure I'm gonna I I gotta finish the like, this table is chock full of hate speech by their definitions.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Exactly.
Brett Johnson [:For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Norm Murdock [:Well, and here's an example. So they adopted the Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. That's an org an a worldwide organization, you know, to to educate and and remember and, you know, to to mark the the fact that there was a holocaust because there is holocaust denial and they're they're, you know, contending against that as as well they should. So they have an adoption within that they have adopted within that organization a definition and it's and it's long a long definition of what antisemitism is. And one of the aspects included in the definition of antisemitism is a position denying the Jewish people of a right to self determination, aka having a state of Israel. Okay. Now, I think there should be. They had they so here's Norm Murdock's opinion, so let's dispense with this so that you don't think I'm an anti Semite.
Norm Murdock [:The Jews, both religious and culturally, should have the right to a state. They should have a right to self determination. So there there you go. So that makes me a Zionist, I guess. So the the house passed a law adopting for enforcement that definition of anti Semitism. And it goes right to what Steve just said. Whether it's the president or the Congress, the idea that we're gonna define what is acceptable speech.
Steve Palmer [:To what end are we doing this?
Brett Johnson [:I mean, this is Right.
Norm Murdock [:This is the slippery slope right here.
Steve Palmer [:It doesn't make it any better.
Norm Murdock [:Steve, it passed 3 20 to 91. Go ahead.
Steve Palmer [:And it doesn't make it any better that it's defining anti Semitism because that happens to be speech that you wanna support right now or or the speech you wanna tamp down.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:It doesn't make it any better. All the speech is free. All the speech is, Exactly. Is permitted. And the only remedy for it is more. Yes. More.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right. So I should be able to say any anti Semitic trope I want to say.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:And I should be able to say it on this table at this or at this table on this podcast. And I I don't give a flying rats behind what the definition of anti Semitism is. Right. I should be able to say it. Do am I going to? No. Of course not. And I and I don't use I try not to use offensive, epithets epithet language to to anybody.
Norm Murdock [:Epithets.
Steve Palmer [:Epithets. Yeah. But I should be able to. Right?
Norm Murdock [:Absolutely.
Steve Palmer [:Those are two different things. Now now the question is, what are we undergirding all of this with? It should be some common sense of right and wrong, some common sense of morality in our society.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And we don't have it right now. And and it doesn't mean that the government can backfill that with laws like this. Yeah. I find it stupid. Yeah. You know, what is anti Semitic? I don't know, and I don't care. Yeah. You know, it's like, I'm not gonna go criticize I'm not gonna say offensive things to Jewish people, and I'm not gonna say offensive things to Muslim people.
Steve Palmer [:I'm gonna disagree with both at some time or another. And if you find that offensive, shove it up your ass.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Yeah. I yeah. Exact well well said. And I I think we we touched on this in the in the previous show. And I it never occurred to me that the house of representatives would pass such a law that it just so I don't know. Chuck Schumer said in the senate, he's not sure what he's gonna do with this. But I could see the senate passing it.
Norm Murdock [:I could see Biden signing it.
Steve Palmer [:It's just political nonsense. Because if you're defining anti Semitism, that means at some juncture to what end you have to ask. At some juncture
Norm Murdock [:They'll make it illegal.
Steve Palmer [:It'll make it illegal.
Norm Murdock [:That's because
Steve Palmer [:why else would you need a definition?
Norm Murdock [:Why else would you need a definition? Correct.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. It's stupid. It's political nonsense.
Norm Murdock [:So Well,
Steve Palmer [:Let's talk. I gotta talk about this.
Norm Murdock [:Go ahead.
Steve Palmer [:It's it's bubblegum. Again, it's sort of bubblegum. Yeah. But under it's underlined with some interesting stuff. Yeah. So the college campus debacle.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. While we're on that.
Steve Palmer [:Right? Yeah. If you go check out GoFundMe, phi kappa what's it? Fi kappa 5 men defended their flag, throw them a rager is this GoFundMe account. It is up to $516,672. So what happens is these guys it was at, I think, the University of North Carolina. Am I right on that? Yeah. These these fraternity guys. Yeah. So the the protester did the protesters removed the United States flag from the public campus, took it down
Norm Murdock [:Took it down.
Steve Palmer [:Put up the Palestine flag. The school finally got a pair of got some courage and went and and, pulled down the Palestine flag, put up the American flag. And as soon as they left, of course, the the protesters went back to take it down. Well, this group of fraternity kids whatever they are, came and protected the flag. Wow. Prevented it from hitting the ground and did all this. Well, somebody saw this on TV because, of course, social media and viral it went viral.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. It didn't happen unless it's on video.
Steve Palmer [:That's right.
Norm Murdock [:That's our that's our culture.
Steve Palmer [:The GoFundMe, throw them a rager. So somebody, not even a brother or a member of this fraternity decided we're gonna somebody needs something. I mean, they deserve something. Let's throw them a rager. So now it's up to, like, 516 1,600 Oh
Norm Murdock [:my gosh. Wow.
Steve Palmer [:That's how much the GoFundMe is. So anybody wants to check that out and then and GoFund them. And, you know, they're saying that the Star Spangled Banner, etcetera. So there's an interesting underlying this is interesting. So Yeah. Why, you know, why is it controversial to take down the United States flag Or, I mean, fly the United States flag
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:At a public funded university.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Crazy.
Steve Palmer [:You know, what what's like, where are we in this country where you can't even salute the flag?
Norm Murdock [:Well, it's like that Texas boy that, temporarily was, you know, suspended in high school for wearing all he did was he wore a t shirt that had the American flag on it, and they said that's a hate speech.
Steve Palmer [:Unbelievable. I mean, well, there's a case called Tinker versus Des Moines Independent School District. I think back in the Vietnam era, they were wearing black RMBs or something. Yeah. And it was a I think it was a black kid who and he was punished for that. And the the supreme US Supreme Court finally rules and the quote was something along the lines of, kids do not check their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse door when they enter publics when they enter
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:A public school.
Norm Murdock [:Especially in a garment. Yeah. I I do love these frat boys. So it's like, I'm gonna this will piss off all the marines. But it's kind of like the frat boy version of Mount Suribachi.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. I mean, they had their moment.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:They had
Brett Johnson [:their moment. Because I saw the picture
Norm Murdock [:and their flagpoles in the background and they're all huddled around the base of it. And I'm thinking, my god. You know, World War 2, we had the marines putting
Brett Johnson [:up the flag. Well, there's some respect to be had to any country's flag. I you know, them taking down the Palestine flag. Hopefully, they were respectful of it.
Norm Murdock [:I'm sure they were not.
Brett Johnson [:Probably not. I and I understand I understand the moment. Why did Columbia I told I understand.
Norm Murdock [:When the cops took down the Palestinian flag, they put it on the ground.
Brett Johnson [:Did they? Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Oh. And they raised the American flag. And mayor Adam
Brett Johnson [:And I get I mean, I'm I'm not
Norm Murdock [:Mayor Adams, who's turning into a Republican
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Said said some really strong things. He said 18 only 18%. This is from mayor Adams' speech yesterday. Mayor of New York City, he is really on this flag thing. And as you know, he's an ex transit policeman. He said only 18% of American youth think that this is a good country, which leaves 82% do not think it's
Brett Johnson [:it's a
Norm Murdock [:good country. And he
Steve Palmer [:says It's insanity.
Norm Murdock [:He said so this is the Democrat there. I hope that number's wrong. I hope it's he said he said, we've got to quit this kind of education. We've got to quit this mind screwing of our youth where they think this is a bad place.
Steve Palmer [:Is Palestine better?
Norm Murdock [:And and he said
Brett Johnson [:Well, exactly.
Norm Murdock [:Right. He said it in context with these students putting up the Palestinian flag. He's like, what are they doing?
Brett Johnson [:Right. Well, oh, no. I I agree. I don't agree with them putting a Palestine flag up.
Norm Murdock [:I at all. I don't agree
Brett Johnson [:with that. I think respect
Norm Murdock [:what middle finger to America.
Brett Johnson [:It certainly is. It's certainly is.
Norm Murdock [:When they put up the North Vietnamese flag or the Vietcong flag during the Vietnam War. Yeah. It wasn't really that they're supporting the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese. It was more or less to say, hey, America, f you.
Steve Palmer [:The common thread the common thread is these people hate America.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:And they live here. They are stand it's like it's like our founders, your father, your grandfather, his grandfather, all the way going back Right. Planted this huge oak tree, a seed that has now become this huge oak tree with all these limbs.
Norm Murdock [:Yes.
Steve Palmer [:And these limbs create a nice comfortable place for us to sit. And these morons are taking out their saws and cutting off the limbs.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:They don't understand what they're doing. Right. Because once it's gone, it's gone. There is no freer place on the planet than the United States of America, and there never will be again if we let this go.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. And you know when we're obviously coming up on the anniversary of the Kent State shootings, but wearing that the hat. Very similar. You know, but it's that to what are you wanting another Kent State situation? Sure. Do do you want another one? Do you wanna do you wanna live in infamy like that? And and it's Because and you're not gonna not necessarily pushing it to that degree, but it's that what do you what do you want? Because the universities cannot divest of this money. They can't.
Steve Palmer [:No. They can't. So They
Brett Johnson [:can't. It cannot happen. And I understand their point. I get that they
Steve Palmer [:They they can, but they won't.
Brett Johnson [:They yeah.
Steve Palmer [:So So here's here's what's interesting about this is that I think I wasn't I was born in May 5, 1970. On that day, I think there were tanks on Lane Avenue and and Woody Hayes was out there trying to call up the protesters and do with all the stuff. But you have to ask how it got that far. Mhmm. You know, and and look, I think Florida, the I don't know who it was or what school was down in Florida said it best. Like, we're not running a freaking daycare here. Yeah. Just because you're enrolled in our in our colleges doesn't mean you get to go run amok, take over our streets
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And take over our college buildings and impede the education of what of everybody else who's who's here trying to get an education. That's not what we signed up for. That's not what you signed up for. I don't give a flying rat's ass how much you paid me to be here. You don't have that right. Columbia and these universities have permitted it to get to the spot where there is no choice except to send the cops in and do this. So if they had to shut it down, ab initio, right from the start Right. Then it wouldn't have happened.
Steve Palmer [:It's sort of like they have created the it and you have to ask if this isn't rocket science. Right? I I'm a genius. No. So they they did it on purpose. They it's like on some level, these universities agree with these protesters, and they let it go because they don't want or they're so scared of them that they don't wanna be the ones that say blah blah blah.
Norm Murdock [:See, what district was it in Portland or Seattle that had that district called CHAS?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. It was during the BLM riots. Yeah. And it went to mug it went to hell, like, overnight.
Norm Murdock [:And then they burned down or they occupied a police station.
Steve Palmer [:They burned down
Norm Murdock [:They tried to burn down a federal
Steve Palmer [:courthouse. Hey. It's it's criminal. Yeah. You can't yeah. Can't permit this stuff. So, Brett, your point's good. Now so you have to ask and, you know, I venture here over at the Daily Wire.
Steve Palmer [:I agree with him on a lot of stuff and some stuff I don't. But I he had an interesting take
Norm Murdock [:He's a smart guy.
Steve Palmer [:He had a very interesting take on this. We are basically subsidizing our our, universities, both public and private
Norm Murdock [:Oh, we are.
Steve Palmer [:By guaranteed student loans. Right. So it's like we are subsidizing them.
Norm Murdock [:Amongst a whole host of other things, grants
Steve Palmer [:Irrespective of that. Yeah. We are subsidizing Absolutely. These schools. Right. And, you know, and when you look at it that way, when when you look at student loans as a subsidy
Norm Murdock [:That's right. It is.
Steve Palmer [:And it is. It's a very interesting angle that I hadn't considered. I hate student loans, and we're bitching about them. And they wanna pay them all, and they wanna forgive them all, but yet they're still lending. You know? Yeah. Right. Right. The scourge of what it is, but the government's still backing student.
Steve Palmer [:Like, colleges have created these these complete nonsense programs and buildings and and degrees Right. Because the government's paying for it.
Norm Murdock [:You can major in Star Trek.
Steve Palmer [:It's so stupid. What? It's so dumb.
Norm Murdock [:You're majoring in
Steve Palmer [:cash expense. Imagine? And and, you know, can you imagine, like, if you're a lender Yeah. Like, or even my own son. So if I had to pay for my son's education, he comes to me and says, I'm gonna go to Columbia, and it's gonna cost a $100,000 a year. Yeah. And I'm gonna major in Star Trek or or, you know, some sort of
Norm Murdock [:Basket waving.
Steve Palmer [:Art. You know, like, Marxist art in the 20th century or some other nonsense. I'd be like, yeah, no freaking way.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. I'm not as funny as that.
Steve Palmer [:Pay for that. I'm not gonna pay for that. That's right. You wouldn't pay for it because there's no return on the money. Right. No. Yet the government is.
Brett Johnson [:Right. And and and, you know, it's interesting to your point of universities kind of silently backing this, you know. But but Chung, I may be a day late and a dollar short on this, but we think the simple solution of this would be you expel the students that don't leave. Yes. Then all of a sudden, they they're trespassing. Yes. And they're done. Right.
Brett Johnson [:We're done.
Steve Palmer [:You have committed burglary and trespassing.
Brett Johnson [:You're done. Yeah. Bye bye. If you don't want to be here and you don't want the tuition money going to Israel, as you say, then leave.
Steve Palmer [:Kindly get the f
Brett Johnson [:out. Right. Did you see where solve the problem. I mean, again, if it if it goes that far.
Steve Palmer [:Did you see where My son came home in my house and took over my bedroom with his buddies Yeah. Saying, I want more I want more gas money, and you have to buy me another car, and you have to do this. And I don't like where you're where you're spending your money, dad. It'd be like, yeah. No. You got 10 seconds. Right. And then I'm kicking ass.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Right? Right. It's like, get out.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Turn the dog loose.
Brett Johnson [:And and I do like that we allow universities to to be the place to voice your opinion. I get it.
Norm Murdock [:But Well, that's
Brett Johnson [:what it should be. Going too far with this.
Steve Palmer [:Hold on. I I heard some commentary on this too. Why do we think that?
Brett Johnson [:Well, more tradition than anything else probably.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:But what's it when did the tradition start?
Brett Johnson [:Because Actually, back in 1700. Well, not
Steve Palmer [:to voice your opinion. Oh, well, true.
Brett Johnson [:That's a good point. You're you're you're they were actually stating essays and thesis. Well, you were supposed to go to
Steve Palmer [:university to learn. Yeah. Like, when did it become a place True. For for kids to go scream whatever their whim is
Brett Johnson [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:About whatever their whim It's like
Brett Johnson [:it's evolved. You're right.
Steve Palmer [:We I no. No. No. No. I'm not criticizing you for this because I somebody made this point in my life all going on. I was like, you know, that's interesting. So we think that you students should go out of these free speech rights and all this crap. It's like, who says so? Like, you paid to go to college.
Steve Palmer [:Mhmm. You didn't pay to go rampage on the streets and pick it and protest.
Norm Murdock [:Well, Steve Bullshit.
Brett Johnson [:Well, it's kinda we've kinda lost that opportunity to do it on the courthouse lawn if because you've brought this up too that you do the soapbox deal. Yeah. In the early People use the arm,
Steve Palmer [:just talk.
Brett Johnson [:Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. And
Steve Palmer [:you still could.
Norm Murdock [:Do do you guys do you guys not find it rather hypocritical that all of a sudden the left is real worried about free speech rights on campus?
Steve Palmer [:On campus. Right.
Norm Murdock [:After banning all the conservative voices and canceling events Arresting
Steve Palmer [:kids. Right.
Norm Murdock [:And allowing people to protest, you know, whether it's Ann Coulter or Tucker Carlson or whoever, and then they're not allowed to speak. All of a sudden, now the left real all you gotta let these Hamas
Steve Palmer [:people speak. Problem when you have
Norm Murdock [:They're picking which kinds of
Steve Palmer [:speech. When your standard is relative, this is what happens.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Well
Norm Murdock [:and I'm glad Instead of absolute.
Brett Johnson [:Yes. And I'm glad you shed light on the professional protest protesters that are there.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah.
Brett Johnson [:That's enlightening. And and I should have put 22 together before you even said that.
Norm Murdock [:Well, they
Brett Johnson [:take off own industry.
Norm Murdock [:They take off their helmet or their hat.
Steve Palmer [:It's bald guys that are, like, 40 years old. Yeah. They they show up like, they show their arrest records all over the country. They're wearing
Norm Murdock [:pink leotards.
Steve Palmer [:But it's the same thing that happened in the sixties. Yeah. You know? This happened in Columbia in the 60
Brett Johnson [:I mean, it's the same crap.
Norm Murdock [:And in fact, the USSR back then, the Soviet Union, was funding this campus unrest. I mean, it's come out now that they actually
Steve Palmer [:It was their plan.
Norm Murdock [:Had Soviet cells in the United States that were printing up the banners and and supplying
Steve Palmer [:If you create unrest, if you create chaos, if you create a like, if you educate kids to the point where they think the United States is a bad place and you have no moral standards anywhere, then you can dismantle a country.
Norm Murdock [:Well and today, we have
Steve Palmer [:what's happening.
Norm Murdock [:We have these Confucian, centers on campus that are funded by the Chinese
Brett Johnson [:Right. Government.
Steve Palmer [:It sounds great.
Norm Murdock [:It's the same thing
Steve Palmer [:as a social media organizer. Yeah. Except it's a it's a Marxist communist educational plot.
Norm Murdock [:And now they're calling for campuses to oust the Hillel affiliated offices that are on a lot of campuses, which is for Jewish students, you know, or people who wanna learn about Judaism. It's it's it's an office, a building, a club, or whatever for them, and they want those kicked off campus.
Brett Johnson [:Well, that's because my daughter got to take advantage of that. We're not not Jewish, but, you know, to go to Israel over a winter break
Norm Murdock [:Yes. To through Hillel. Exactly. At at
Brett Johnson [:when she went to Penn State.
Norm Murdock [:It's educational.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. For sure. She it was very educational. Now she can see looking back going, oh my god. I was there. I was, you know, those are
Steve Palmer [:So it's not just stories in a bible anymore. It's actually stuff that you can see Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Feel and and
Steve Palmer [:it's still there.
Brett Johnson [:How they interacted with each other is that, no. We couldn't go there because those 2 hit each other. I mean, that literally happened.
Norm Murdock [:We've we've kicked out military recruitments off campus. Right? That recruiters. Yeah. Now they wanna get rid of Hillel. They you know, you can't have any kind of Christian anything. You can't have any conservative anything. But Hamas, they want free speech rights for them.
Steve Palmer [:Yes. So Yeah. Exactly. And and now we're creating laws so they can't have free speech rights. It's like this is so insane. All all you have to do
Norm Murdock [:Did you see Iran is offering, scholarships for anybody who lost their, who who got expelled? You can go to Iran. Oh oh, I wanna see I'm sure I'm sure they're gonna be
Steve Palmer [:all the gay people are gonna be flooding into Iran. And
Norm Murdock [:flying off the top of buildings.
Steve Palmer [:Yes. With wearing their, rainbow capes.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, that's Right.
Steve Palmer [:You go wear that crap over there and see what happens. I can't speak from any authority because I haven't been there, but I've got a hunch.
Norm Murdock [:Well, it's Right. It's a a theocracy state. I mean, it's You
Steve Palmer [:don't agree? Then you gotta right. So look.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, at least Israel, right, is a secular state in terms of like, they have Palestinians in their armed forces. That that Israel being mainly Jewish, okay, it's not a religious state. Right. It is a secular state. Iran is a theocracy.
Brett Johnson [:They do have they have Palestinians in their army? Absolutely.
Norm Murdock [:Do you know our Do you really Do you know our do you know our friend, that runs the Nazareth Deli here
Brett Johnson [:in Columbus? Yeah. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:He's an Israeli citizen. He's Palestinian.
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And there's lots of them.
Brett Johnson [:Well, that's great. He loves Israel.
Norm Murdock [:And he loves Israel.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's good. Yeah. They they No. I mean, I I mentioned earlier too. If you really do want a good snapshot of what happened on May 4th, in, in in 70 at at Kent State, first what? First, go visit it.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. You
Brett Johnson [:can visit the memorial because it gives you a history of the day before, the day of, and protests and shootings that happened at other campuses weeks after too. So it's it's it's enlightening but it also and I I I I this is the conspiracy theorist person and I'm not a conspiracy person at all, necessarily, but you kinda sit there and you kinda go, you know, a lot of film cameras that day going on. Yeah. Because they captured a lot of stuff and and I know once you put the pieces together the day before the kids just beat the hell out of Kent. They burned some stuff down.
Norm Murdock [:And they did occupy building.
Brett Johnson [:They knew something was going on and there were a lot of and and we're talking about that time. Remember, 1970, it's film cameras. Yep. Not cell phones. There are a lot of cameras going on at that point in time. Alright. Your film cameras going on. This idea
Steve Palmer [:of professional agitator There was something going on. And that was going on.
Brett Johnson [:But I'm I'm got though, looking back, it's good it was captured.
Steve Palmer [:It's good.
Brett Johnson [:It really thank God it was.
Steve Palmer [:History is not telling the tale exactly I sort of like this. Like, where are you gonna start your tale of history? When the police are going into the Columbia buildings or when this the university permitted it to go on for a month?
Norm Murdock [:Right. Mhmm.
Steve Palmer [:To the point where there were tent encampments Yeah. And people taking over and impeding kids from going to their classes. It's like it should have stopped immediately. And then this wouldn't have happened. And and these kids have the gall to say they need humanitarian aid after they've taken over a building. Did you see this?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Like, Northwestern totally caved in.
Steve Palmer [:It's like these these these kids are saying, we need humanitarian aid, like, hot food. Oh, my. Yeah. Right? They're it's like Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:If anybody who caves to this nonsense,
Steve Palmer [:you're just you you get what you deserve.
Norm Murdock [:Yes. So Yes. Northwestern took the opposite of, you know, near Chicago, took the opposite, tact that the University of North Carolina, UCLA, and lately, Columbia. They they dispersed the they they gave the Hamas protesters everything they wanted. So anybody arrested, anybody, suspended, expelled, whatever, they're reversing all of that and they agreed to a bunch of new programs, and it basically caved in. Yeah. And it's just like, okay. So
Steve Palmer [:Here we go.
Brett Johnson [:It works. It'd be interesting to see where the parents role is in Violence works. In regards to holding parents accountable for any damage, anything going on because you know those kids not necessarily paying for their own education. It's it's mom and dad. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Well, oh, my child would never do that.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Well, it's Wow.
Steve Palmer [:To to to seed the field to any of these demands, which are absurd on their face.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right? They're absurd.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:It it just reflects what the university's motives are. Because there's no you you wouldn't say yes to this unless you agreed with the protesters.
Norm Murdock [:Right. You
Steve Palmer [:you agree with the
Brett Johnson [:It certainly looks that way, doesn't it? It comes off that way. Yeah. It it does. It it it
Steve Palmer [:It's like you wouldn't be Well, and
Norm Murdock [:the faculty formed perimeter lines at several of these protests where the faculty locked arms to try to keep the police from going in.
Steve Palmer [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:So the faculty's on board. Fire them all. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:If I'm in charge, you're all fired. Like, imagine if this were imagine if this were your business and your employees are out there helping to impede your ability to do business. And not only that, like, you to impede your ability to serve customers who have paid you for your service. Yeah. So if I had employees upstairs in my law firm, and they decided that they're gonna barricade the front of my building because they don't agree with some policy or practice I have, say, with COVID. And I've got clients coming and going that I can't help because of it. You're all effing fired. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Guess what? You're fired. There's no severance. There's no nothing. You're a traitor. Bye bye. You're fired.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. And in this contracts that the university has with
Norm Murdock [:The AAUP.
Brett Johnson [:I can't imagine anything's covered in this in regards to legal ways of firing people. Yeah. I don't. Of teachers.
Steve Palmer [:So attendee professors. Attendee professors. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:It'd be interesting.
Norm Murdock [:I I don't know how to violation. I would
Steve Palmer [:think of a tenure professor is in conspiracy know. To commit burglary, trespass, and other crimes that are impeding the university's business, then you should be fired.
Brett Johnson [:It it goes beyond
Steve Palmer [:First of all, yeah. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:It goes beyond first because I'm looking at that first amendment piece. It's like but it does it goes beyond that because you're impeding business, basically.
Steve Palmer [:This is crime.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. You're committing crimes.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Right.
Steve Palmer [:I think it's a crime to take over a building and and and not prevent others to come. It's a crime.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:It's called burglary or or trespass, depending on how you wanna define it.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:But it's a crime.
Norm Murdock [:Yep. And if you're a professor
Brett Johnson [:It's so interesting if the current students would would sue the other students.
Steve Palmer [:Well, you'd sue the university and the other students. Yes. You absolutely I would.
Brett Johnson [:Because I paid to be here to take a test. Yes. I may agree with what you guys are saying on the lawn. I'm not
Steve Palmer [:gonna wanna
Brett Johnson [:pay for it. But that's all I'm here. I'm I'm going to protest in another way, but you're impeding my way to to take my finals, to get the hell out of here and graduate to my job. Yeah. I'm suing you.
Steve Palmer [:I'm suing. If I am a kid That would be so interesting. My son up at Bowling Green Yes. Was unable to walk for graduation or unable to get to finals or his education were impeded, I would seriously consider suing Bowling Green. That would
Brett Johnson [:be such an interesting case.
Norm Murdock [:The the campus staff, there were I think 3 janitors that were effectively kidnapped at Columbia.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. So now you have
Norm Murdock [:They were entrapped. They were not allowed to leave before
Steve Palmer [:That's not a sexual kidnapping. That is kidnapping.
Brett Johnson [:That's kidnapping.
Norm Murdock [:Exactly. So, you know, is Biden gonna send the FBI?
Brett Johnson [:Of course not.
Norm Murdock [:You know, come on, guy.
Steve Palmer [:Of course not. Of course not.
Norm Murdock [:But but t but but parents that go to a school board meeting and rant a little bit, they're domestic terrorists.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. They're domestic terrorists. These people taking over our public building and impeding public business. That's terrorism. And and let alone the private university. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:The janitors came out and said, yes. They were holding us. We were not permitted to leave. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And so just to put in perspective in Ohio what kidnapping is, that's kidnapping. Yeah. And it's a felony of the first degree carries with it a maximum possible punishment of 11 years in prison.
Brett Johnson [:How did they stop them from leaving then?
Norm Murdock [:Well, physically would not Physically, yeah. Threats threat of violence.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Force or threat of force. Wow.
Norm Murdock [:You know? And eventually, they they relented. But for several hours, they were not allowed to leave.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. And we've had this
Steve Palmer [:going on right here in Columbus. So the highest state protesters I mean, a lot of those guys were arrested. Those those protesters were arrested. Yeah. And then I went to court on Monday, I think, is when they were all coming through.
Brett Johnson [:They wanted they wanted arrest.
Steve Palmer [:Saw a
Brett Johnson [:couple of video. Yeah. They just they they were taunting him on video.
Steve Palmer [:It's like,
Brett Johnson [:you know, they're gonna get arrested today. Did we do enough?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. You're messing with the superintendent of Annapolis. I I don't think he's gonna tolerate
Steve Palmer [:He's not gonna tolerate. And he shouldn't. And he shouldn't. Because we look. I got my own theories on public universities. I mean, I there's there's some pros and cons there. Yeah. But you've got kids who are paid to get an education, and these people are preventing the kids Right.
Steve Palmer [:From getting an education. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:A small minority of them are preventing the majority from getting From getting
Steve Palmer [:because most of the kids I I talked to my son. He's like, look, we don't care about any crap. We just wanna he's funny.
Norm Murdock [:You know, getting back to
Steve Palmer [:get their education and get out of this.
Norm Murdock [:Getting back to Ben Shapiro's comment that you brought up. The other pernicious aspect of these federal backing of student loans is it has it has facilitated the hyperinflationary Of course. Intuition.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Because, you know, all it is is a promissory note and and uncle Joe is saying he's gonna make that go away.
Steve Palmer [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:So I don't care what you charge me for this service.
Steve Palmer [:I'll pay it. Yeah. Because I'll pay it.
Norm Murdock [:It could be $1,000,000 a year. When they're talking about fairness slightly.
Steve Palmer [:This is what the government always does this.
Norm Murdock [:I mean
Steve Palmer [:They create a bad policy. It it results in bad outcomes.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:And then they blame everyone else
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:For the outcome, not them. Nobel universities fault for overcharging for education even though we were subsidizing it and letting them do it. So That's right.
Norm Murdock [:Nobel laureate Milton Freeman and Yes. Thomas Sowell, these guys, they would they always say you get more of what you subsidize. You always get more of what you pay for. So so if you're going to subsidize student loans, people who otherwise maybe you shouldn't go to college because they really don't want a degree. They want the lifestyle.
Brett Johnson [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:You know? They they just
Brett Johnson [:it's a
Steve Palmer [:It's free. It's a 4 year vacation.
Norm Murdock [:You get out of high school. You don't really have to get a job then. You can go to college and kind of float around, have fun, get do CAGRs, you know.
Steve Palmer [:And then come out and bitch about $200,000 worth of debt for, like, a, you know, a history degree that you can't get a job.
Norm Murdock [:While your blue collar classmate is busting his ass at a dealership doing diesel work or whatever that or putting roofs on houses or whatever the hell he's doing. Yep. You know, they're in the real world. Some of these college kids are just deferring their adulthood.
Steve Palmer [:And one of my favorite Thomas Sowell quotes is, these these bad policies are never judged on their outcome. No. Only their intent.
Norm Murdock [:Only their intent.
Steve Palmer [:And by the time the outcome has manifested, the people who push the policies are long gone.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. You know, it's like
Norm Murdock [:Well, that's how we got the subprime, crisis on housing. Right.
Steve Palmer [:It's like
Norm Murdock [:Everybody deserves a house. Right. So So if you can
Steve Palmer [:racist banks not lending to people and
Norm Murdock [:If you could fog a mirror, we'll give you a mortgage. Mhmm. Well, then what were you expecting? They can't pay the the loan back.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Thomas Sowell wrote a great book on that, the housing boom and bust. It it is it is one of the most insightful, thin little read. You know, it's only you know, you can be you can be done in a couple hours. Yeah. And I buzzed through it as fast as I could. It was absolutely fascinating Yeah. In all fact.
Steve Palmer [:All of it. Based on facts and studies.
Norm Murdock [:So talk a little bit, if we can, about this, title 9 redefinition of, protected people. It it used to be based on the 2, sexes, male, female. So, Biden's administration, we talked about this last week, has decided to define, those who think that they're the other gender, whether they physically converted or not. If they identify if a male identifies and thinks he's a female or purports he's a female, he's now protected under title 9. And Yost and 25 other states, Dave Yost, r a g, there's 26 states now that have formed a coalition to sue the administration over that rule change.
Steve Palmer [:Well, this this warrants a little bit of discussion.
Norm Murdock [:That's more than half of the state.
Steve Palmer [:Title 9, title 7. I mean, the these civil rights type legislative acts, you have to sort of put this in perspective. If the government is telling me that I, in my personal business, am not allowed to discriminate, it isn't you're impeding my freedom. Right? And I'm not saying I disagree with the fact that I shouldn't discriminate.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:But it's sort of like the free speech. You're impeding my freedom. It's almost patently unconstitutional. Yeah. I've always struggled with this since I've learned about this in law school. I took an employment title 7 type class, you know, in your 3rd year, you take these electives.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And it always bugs me because, you know, after you take constitutional law, you realize all these freedoms that we have, and then you see this title 7 and title 9 telling us what we can and can't do in our personal lives. And it's if not, you can be prosecuted, you can be sued, you can be not prosecuted, but sued. And it's it is a violation of my freedom to choose who I hire at my workplace.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And, you know, and it Oh, and fire too. And fire. So and I have to justify firing somebody of a certain race or skin color because I'd be worried about getting sued. So it's, like, on its face, it sounds good Yeah. But it's troubling. It's a little troubling. You know? Do I wanna have a female worker? Do I wanna have a male worker? Do I wanna have a black worker or a white worker? Whatever it is, it's it's, like, on the face of it, we should be able to choose that. And then how would you prevent discrimination? Well, you know, the market will do that.
Steve Palmer [:Because if I am stupid enough to say I'm not gonna hire any women, and I'm not gonna hire any black people, I'm not gonna hire any Asians. I'm not gonna hire any Jews. Well, then somebody else will.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Brett Johnson [:You look at the auto dealerships.
Norm Murdock [:And you'll get called out on it.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. You look at the auto dealerships. They finally realized that women like to buy cars from women.
Steve Palmer [:Mhmm. And guess what? There they are.
Norm Murdock [:There they are. Right.
Brett Johnson [:I like buying cars from women, quite frankly. I just do because I'd rather deal with women buying a car.
Norm Murdock [:Well, the CEO and the founder of the motor.
Brett Johnson [:You know, it just I just see the difference in it. I don't know why. Just that's my preference, but it's that it allowed itself to happen, but we didn't have any dictatorship of you must have 3 females on the floor. Yeah. The market fixed it.
Steve Palmer [:The market fixed it. Now Well,
Norm Murdock [:the the head of General Motors for, like, the last 10 years has been a female. Yeah. The CEO.
Steve Palmer [:And and I hope she's good at the job. It sounds like
Brett Johnson [:she is. Right? Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:So back to your back to where we started here then. So you have these titles, and then you get so think about this. Biden, Now, not Congress. Right. Not the Senate. Not the House.
Norm Murdock [:They didn't modify Title 9. He did.
Steve Palmer [:They didn't change anything. Biden said, I'm gonna redefine through an executive administrative action Yep. What this means. Think about that. So what you did yesterday was not against the law. What you did today is against the law. Right. This is what I have been harping on for the last 5 years.
Steve Palmer [:The administrative state is a dictatorship in in the in the making.
Norm Murdock [:So he came down on the side of Leah Thomas. You know, the the the guy who still has his package Yep. That's swimming against or did till he graduated, but was swimming he now wants to be in the Olympics and compete internationally.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, I'm sure.
Brett Johnson [:Why not
Steve Palmer [:go get a medal?
Norm Murdock [:It's unreal.
Steve Palmer [:It's nonsense.
Norm Murdock [:What if LeBron just rolls out of bed this morning and says, I'm a chick. I'm gonna go into the WNBA.
Brett Johnson [:I wanna play on the Indiana Pacers. Yeah. I wanna play against Caitlin.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, he could just Exactly. Right. It it would be 400 to nothing. I mean, just drop the ball. Right.
Brett Johnson [:Right. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And but more troubling for me is the executive authority to modify rules this way
Norm Murdock [:Yes.
Steve Palmer [:And get away with it. Will it be like create criminals overnight. It's been happening in the second amendment arena and and the the the, ATF.
Norm Murdock [:Well, let's go to that. That that's actually on my list. And Steve, I'm glad can you address that? The the a the head of the ATF said, in theory, selling one gun privately could classify you as a dealer. Yeah. There is You have gotta
Steve Palmer [:an interpretation of the regulatory scheme that's that wants to redefine who's a dealer and who's not. So I I don't wanna go into the nuance. We did a munitions podcast on this at one point, but it has to do with your selling guns for profit, maybe oversimplify it that way. Well, that's almost everybody. And and why does it matter? First of all, because if you're selling a gun for profit, I sell you my gun, Norman, say, it's now worth $200 more than I paid for it. Right. Well, I'm selling it to you for profit. Like, I wouldn't sell it to you for less.
Norm Murdock [:Well, if you have a Rembrandt and you got it, from your dad Does that make me a deal? To me for half a $1,000,000.
Steve Palmer [:Now does that make me a dealer? Yeah. And why do I care if I'm a dealer? Because if I'm a dealer, now I gotta go form 2. I gotta go do my forms. I gotta get an FFL. FFL. And I've gotta get an official transfer. Federal. I've got a Federal
Norm Murdock [:firearms license.
Steve Palmer [:I have to go through an FFL, licensed federal agent, to make the transfer of the gun who's then gonna take down all sorts of information that they're gonna promise never to use.
Norm Murdock [:And they have the right to do surprise?
Brett Johnson [:Right. Yeah. Raids.
Steve Palmer [:So if you have an FFL or well, if you have an FFL, you sort of agree to open your doors to inspection On demand. Of your books. But more important, it prevents private sales of firearms. So Yeah. And you would ask why we care about private sales of firearms. Well, they're gonna say because of crime. And I'm gonna say, well, look. No.
Steve Palmer [:No no criminal is gonna follow these rules anyway. Right. Right? Right. So that you know, forget about that. It's not
Brett Johnson [:gonna prevent any crime.
Steve Palmer [:They're not even gonna know about this rule because they're not gonna care. You're doing it because you want to create a registration list for guns, and it's just another regulatory scheme to ban guns. And and it's, you know, there's this idea of incrementalism, and it works both sides. You know, you like, if you you have to you have to take away somebody's rights incrementally. It's it's like the frog in the pot. You know, you have to turn up the water slowly.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And it went it it because it happens almost imperceptibly at that point.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:You get to the point where you're like, wait a minute. What's happened?
Norm Murdock [:Happened? Just one more little change.
Steve Palmer [:It's like the end back to Animal Farm. It's like the end of Animal Farm when they all sudden look a little bit like the human. You know,
Brett Johnson [:it's just happening. So connect the dots in regards to how I'm not I'm not disbelieving you, but how connect those dots where it could go. Because we we say that a lot and I I totally agree, but some people don't have the imagination to go there. You know what I
Steve Palmer [:mean? Basically Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:If you can. So grandpa kicks off, and he's got he, you know, he dies. And and and he leaves a Luger to his nephew. Right? He a war trophy that he picked up off the battlefield. Now now the young man has a Luger. He doesn't want it and he and he goes to a gun show. Right?
Steve Palmer [:And sells it.
Norm Murdock [:And legally sells it to to another Ohioan. Right?
Brett Johnson [:At the gun show. Not a not a dealer or just a person.
Norm Murdock [:You know, because he doesn't Or
Steve Palmer [:he just knows you because you collect, and he sells it to you.
Norm Murdock [:And he sells it to me or however or the next door neighbor.
Brett Johnson [:He's now a criminal.
Norm Murdock [:He's now a criminal under this interpretation.
Steve Palmer [:So he would now be required to go through an FFL. And, you know, where does that go? Well, it gives the government more intrusion into our personal lives. And it it goes nowhere if you accept the premise that the government can never be corrupt and take advantage of things or has a different agenda to do things like ban firearms. Because once they ban firearms, they have to know where they are. And in order to know where they are, they gotta get them all on paper somewhere and and track down names and addresses. And then you have to wonder, alright. So if if, you know, Buford Pusser knocks on my door and, says, I need you you're registered for a gun. And I say, no.
Steve Palmer [:I don't have that anymore. Well, our paperwork doesn't show that you ever sold it. We'd like to come in and start looking around for it. Yeah. And, you know, there's these people that would say, I've heard and this is on the right. People on the right say this. You know, law
Brett Johnson [:and order folks. Well, I'd let them in to
Steve Palmer [:go search whatever they want.
Norm Murdock [:I've got nothing to hide.
Steve Palmer [:I got nothing to hide.
Norm Murdock [:So that Thomas
Steve Palmer [:You don't understand. Yeah. What if they're corrupt?
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:What if they're corrupt? And if you think that doesn't happen, come follow me for about 6 months.
Brett Johnson [:Right. He dropped a little baggy of white stuff.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. We got the thing.
Brett Johnson [:What's that, mister?
Norm Murdock [:Well, we we know of cases where no crime was ever charged, but they have taken evidence out of somebody's house Yeah. Like cash. Like $30,000
Steve Palmer [:All the time.
Norm Murdock [:And it's in a baggy down at the sheriff's, you know, holding storage room.
Steve Palmer [:I have a client whose phone is in the storage department right now. He was and it it's like I can't get it out. Yeah. It it it and they think they're entire look, anytime the government seizes cash or guns, it's like out of their cold dead hands, are you getting that back?
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. No. I I just I think it's a good example. I think it playing this out is perfect Yeah. To to allow people to kinda think about, yeah, I can go there.
Steve Palmer [:So you have to think it and it's not that Yeah. I've had to think about that too. It's a good question, because it's the same question that our founders answered when they said we're gonna have something called the 4th amendment.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Like, why did they care whether the government had a warrant to come into your house? Like, if you wanted to create a society that was completely crime free, you would just disband the constitution and put the jackboots on the ground and take control, except that itself is corrupt and that itself is criminal.
Norm Murdock [:Right?
Steve Palmer [:You you have to create a check on the governmental action because government is made up of humans. And humans, we all know, at least we all believe at this table, are imperfect. Though created in the image of God, we are we are vested with original sin and imperfection, and we all wanna do better, but we all succumb to it sooner or later. And just because you work for the government, you don't get cloaked with some sort of immunity from that.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. You you know, human beings often have access to grind and
Brett Johnson [:Or we just have a bad day.
Steve Palmer [:You just have right. You have a bad day.
Brett Johnson [:Seriously. You know, it's just as simple as that.
Steve Palmer [:You say local sheriff Bob doesn't like you because you married his cousin, and his cousin you
Brett Johnson [:know, it's like
Steve Palmer [:whatever. You don't think that that person's gonna
Norm Murdock [:you don't
Steve Palmer [:think that person's gonna next to Grimes?
Brett Johnson [:Does. Oh my god.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. You bet.
Norm Murdock [:Let me, let me roll out this. So this is a this is a great little fact scenario. So, last fall, the Elyria, Ohio Police Department responded to a a young lady's call. She had broken up with her boyfriend that she was cohabitating with his house. He owned the or he was renting the the apartment, the, if you will, the residence. And she had turned in her key to the landlord and said, okay. I'll move down. And and then she remembered, I have some meds at the house.
Norm Murdock [:I'd like to go get them. Well, she went back to the house, knocked on the door. The boyfriend said, get the hell out of here. I don't want anything to do. You're not you're not allowed to come in here anymore. It's my my residence. You moved out. You left.
Norm Murdock [:You turned in the key. So she calls the police. 5 Elyria policemen showed up, and they told her, listen. We don't have any reason to kick this guy's door down, but you can. So the police coached her to kick the door in. They kicked the door in. The police then got in a stack. Like, now these are inexperienced like like Clearly,
Steve Palmer [:they didn't know what the hell they're doing.
Norm Murdock [:They didn't know what the. So they got into this they got into the SWAT stack, like so they get into a line, and one of them goes right up so so the boyfriend's, like, up at the top of the landing at the top of the stairs in his underwear, like, where the bedroom is, and he goes, what the hell are you doing in here? And and and they the police go in after the girlfriend, so she goes and gets the drugs or or her her medic medications. And one of the policemen charges right up the steps behind her, to, to to accost this guy at the top of the landing. And the guy at the top of the landing doesn't know you know, he's like They
Steve Palmer [:know what the hell they're there for. Right? Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:What what you kick the door in? Like, you know, there's no warrant, no no fourth nothing.
Steve Palmer [:Right. This is why this this is the this is the manifestation of what we're talking about.
Norm Murdock [:So they charged him with, like so they found some things. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Of course. Right. Oh my god.
Norm Murdock [:And because he tussled so one officer almost fell out a window, and and this guy grabbed the officer and pulled him back in. Actually, saved the officer, but they called that an assault on the plane. He should've just let the guy. But at any rate, they charge this guy, and his attorney, who's a former state trooper and a police officer himself, said it it is the most outrageous thing he's ever seen.
Steve Palmer [:It is horrible. He tried to
Norm Murdock [:get the body cam video. They said, well, because we dropped the charges, we erased all the body cam video.
Steve Palmer [:Oh my goodness.
Norm Murdock [:So they just dismissed all the charges.
Steve Palmer [:That's I I don't know if that's a crime, but I that's public record. You can't do that. I'm sure there's protocol that they can't do. So look, this is this
Norm Murdock [:is a Is that not real or what?
Brett Johnson [:Brett, this this story couldn't have come any better timing on
Steve Palmer [:the heels of your question because this is what happens. You would say, how does, like, how does it manifest itself that you give the government permission to do certain things? They drive an effing truck through it. So it is not true that this look, I don't know for sure whether this girl still had property rights to enter. But just because she did, you don't get to slam in the door and and allow the police to come in.
Brett Johnson [:It would be interesting to know if the girl knew one of the Elyria police that acts to grind
Steve Palmer [:That's funny you should bring that up. I had a case at a college. I'm not gonna mention which one, but it was a college. It was a private university here in Ohio. And my client was accused of, I can't remember what he was accused of. Oh, assaulting a girl. Right? It might even been like a misdemeanor type sex offense. And we got our investigator involved when we looked into it and it was total b s, total b s.
Steve Palmer [:And it was right in the advent of social media, Facebook, Myspace was still around. I don't know if Twitter or whatever, but it's in the middle of social media. And we start flipping somebody, my law clerk at the time, younger kid, turned out to be a good lawyer, works for the state now in the medical board. He found social media accounts of the officer and or of the girl. And there's the girl and the officer in about a half a dozen pictures with his arm around her. They're at a college party. You know, they're they're sort of hanging out together. He gotten a little too friendly with the girl, and he was the complaining witness who filed the complaint against my client.
Steve Palmer [:Of course, the case got dismissed, but it shows you. It's Norm's point and your point. These are humans. I'm not saying he's a bad man. I'm saying he's human and he is subject to the same flaws that the rest of us are, the same temptations. I just heard a sermon on the temptations of Christ. Right? And there are like, if you take those metaphorically, it's like we all have these things. And the, you know, the one who was able to resist, of course, was Christ.
Steve Palmer [:But we can't always, you know, we all succumb to temptations.
Brett Johnson [:May I may I prescribe a movie for you?
Steve Palmer [:Sure.
Norm Murdock [:If you haven't seen it, have you seen The Last Temptation of Christ? Yeah. Yeah. By Martin Scorsese?
Steve Palmer [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:Terribly misinterpreted movie. Of course. But it is a what if movie. Like, what if Jesus had said, you know what?
Steve Palmer [:I I'm really hungry.
Norm Murdock [:I and I don't wanna be crucified.
Steve Palmer [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:I I I'm gonna decline this from the father, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go have a family, have kids, enjoy, you know, the comforts of, if you will, middle class life back then, whatever. And, but people were so offended because here's Jesus having sex, having a wife, having a family, and they're like no no no don't you get it? That was the temptation of the devil. And the movie is revealing to you what would it
Steve Palmer [:Where that goes. Right?
Brett Johnson [:Can go.
Norm Murdock [:But then at the end, you've seen on the cross like he did not succumb to that temptation. But it shows you really what what a huge sacrifice when you think of, you know, how his mind must have been troubled.
Steve Palmer [:Well and and think, you know, the temptations always come when we're at our weakest. Yes. You know, even Christ. So he's out
Norm Murdock [:in the desert?
Steve Palmer [:In the desert, no water starved. Right. You know.
Norm Murdock [:And the serpent is saying, hey, dude. Come on. Come on.
Steve Palmer [:You can do it. Yeah. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:We can put it together.
Brett Johnson [:We can
Norm Murdock [:do it together.
Steve Palmer [:Don't you dare do it. So Go
Brett Johnson [:ahead. It's
Steve Palmer [:it's it's it. You know?
Brett Johnson [:You know,
Steve Palmer [:I don't know how we got into temptation things.
Norm Murdock [:But it's like Because he was man and God.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. But what led us to that in this discussion? I can't remember. But anyway, it's,
Brett Johnson [:We're we're all all tempted with those
Steve Palmer [:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Moments. So if you think that the police officers Yeah. Are not gonna succumb to temptation to, like, their their their compass is somehow always true north.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:You're wrong. Right. You're just effing wrong. And anybody who was out supporting the BLM riots was saying just that. Right? We can't have these horrible police officers. Yet now, you know, we we're they're okay somehow when cops are knocking on doors to go in and take out take your guns. Yeah. You know, it's like it's the same.
Steve Palmer [:It's like free speech. It has to it has to apply uniform.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. I should point out, by the way, just to go back for a second. The ACLU did come out against that house.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, good. Yeah. Finally. So it's it's nice. Now if they were going in there to find guns or to find some Right. Yeah. With the ACLU, you would have taken a different viewpoint. Yep.
Steve Palmer [:They become content based.
Norm Murdock [:So a little fun story
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Even though ended up.
Norm Murdock [:This doesn't quite fit in. But hey. So Cedar Point is has debuted a ride, a new ride called Top Thrill 2. It's the tallest and fastest roller coaster in the world. It launches. So you launch at 74 miles an hour. It hits a top speed of a 100 and 20. Yesterday, my race car was doing 150.
Norm Murdock [:120 is a lot when you're don't have a helmet on, and you're just out exposed in the air. It's 420 feet high, which if if one story of a building is roughly 10 feet, 42 story building? You have got to be shitting.
Steve Palmer [:Look. The top thrill is at the top thrill race or whatever that is. So that that ride, the original version of that caused somebody's death. I think somebody was injured and they had to close it down. Yeah. And then, obviously, they've rebuilt it hopefully bigger and better and safer. But here's what's interesting about Ohio. Ohio makes it big again.
Steve Palmer [:We are we're like the roller coaster capital of the world.
Norm Murdock [:They come from all of them.
Steve Palmer [:They come from I like, I've been up there at Cedar Point before. I I took my kids when they were younger. And there were kids who made a annual pilgrimage, like this group of teens. They're they're like mid late twenties at that time. But since their teens, they've been coming in to to experience the Cedar Point roller coasters. Yeah. And then, you know, and down in Cincinnati, we have Kings Island, which had the beast and had, the Son of Beast, which they've shut down. But it's like That was
Brett Johnson [:a nasty ride. It it was Oh, god. Son of beast was bad.
Steve Palmer [:It really beats you up.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, man. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:So do you guys do you guys ride rollercoats?
Brett Johnson [:My wife got me into it. I love Kings Island. Now, now, Cedar Point's got rides that are just too rough on me. Okay. But I do we did go 1 year. That top thrill you're talking about, we saw the action. You got on. I did not ride
Steve Palmer [:that thing. I did ride the original. Yeah. It's awesome.
Brett Johnson [:But, so I saw on there, but you're in there and you're ready to shoot out and there's this clicking that goes on. Yeah. That kind of if you hear the rhythm, you know when you're gonna get shot out. So my daughter and I are watching because I was not gonna ride this thing. I don't know if Hayden and Angie did either. But anyway, doesn't matter. But we're watching this and this older ish couple get on and they're just laughing nervously and they're not hearing the clicking and they're bending down laughing when the thing shoots out.
Norm Murdock [:Oh my god.
Brett Johnson [:And I don't think they got injured or anything like that, but I told Madeline at the time, I was like, oh, they're gonna be hurting. Because if you're down here and you're getting shot out at 70
Steve Palmer [:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're just you
Brett Johnson [:know, I I guess I'm more of a I wanna hear click I wanna know how when things when you're gonna shoot out that fast.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, yeah.
Brett Johnson [:But it's a weird look of going straight up and then up curve and back down to just because it's maybe 7 seconds.
Steve Palmer [:It's a very quick ride. It's not worth the wait. Almost. Yeah. But, you know, roller I I can't ride anymore. So somewhere along the way, if I ride a roller coaster now, I I have a terrible headache all day long. Yeah. And I don't know.
Steve Palmer [:It's like some sort of internal
Brett Johnson [:I'm I'm getting there. There are certain rides. I it with the day that I can't ride the beast will be a sad day.
Steve Palmer [:The beast doesn't do that to
Brett Johnson [:me, though. Neither.
Norm Murdock [:I could I
Brett Johnson [:could ride
Steve Palmer [:the beast all
Brett Johnson [:day long.
Steve Palmer [:That's right.
Brett Johnson [:I I love that ride.
Norm Murdock [:I I don't do roller coasters. And
Steve Palmer [:You don't race car driver.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. You'll find this guy. So I ride motorcycles and I race. Right. Yeah. But my problem is I cannot give up the control. Oh. So if I so if I was the guy in the lead car and I had a throttle and a brake, like, I would do it.
Norm Murdock [:But but so I'm a terrible backseat Yeah. Driver. I I I cannot be in a vehicle driven to accept an airplane, I guess, because that's how you That's true. But but I Yeah. I I can't be in a vehicle. But you
Steve Palmer [:you you can't see it in the airplane. You're more Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:You're there. You go right. Because the the best piece is
Norm Murdock [:Well, you order a drink and you
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. For us, at least, the beast as you ride it after the park is, quote, unquote, officially closed. After the fireworks, you're in line for the beast. And it's one of 1 of a couple
Steve Palmer [:of ride. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Get the last ride and you're oh my god. Riding the beast in the dark. That's awesome. It's amazing because you're hitting these cold pockets of air. It's all in the dark. You there's no perspective. There's no perspective of where you are because you kinda
Norm Murdock [:rush. It's just
Brett Johnson [:the rush.
Steve Palmer [:I'm going this year. We're going. We're gonna be common sense all year.
Brett Johnson [:After dark. Do the last ride. Get in line before the fireworks and ride it. Oh, my. It's a it's totally different. I don't I'm surprised they don't sell t shirts about riding the beast after after the park closes. It's great.
Steve Palmer [:Well, look. We probably gotta wrap you got one more. We gotta wrap it up.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. I mean, there there's a couple of, sad, you know, kind of stories that, and I'll tell you what. I'll pass on those and just talk about, some election stuff. So, secretary of state Ohio secretary of state Frank LaRose, has come out with a program. He's having election boards in all the counties do 4 things, to to rid inactive, people off the rolls. And there there's 4 things. One is where there's I mean, this seems so obvious. But after 4 years of consecutive inactivity due to either change of address, you know, like cards filed with the post office, past due, invoices that go, unresponded and nondeliverable is another clue that there's that person's not there anymore.
Norm Murdock [:Returned as undeliverable, mail, from the, secretary of state or an elections board where they send out a confirmation card and it comes back, we can't deliver this to missus Smith because of whatever. She we can't deliver it. And then b b m v, Bureau of Motor Vehicle, mismatches between a current address and a previous address. So that all seems like pretty reasonable stuff. But, of course, he's being accused of
Steve Palmer [:It's hard to believe that's even And
Norm Murdock [:all those had to That's controversy.
Brett Johnson [:All those all those had to be checked off?
Norm Murdock [:Or just Those are four things that he's asking the boards to check on.
Steve Palmer [:Got it. Got it. Got it.
Norm Murdock [:Because he says and they have an ongoing
Brett Johnson [:just not not just one triggers that basically all 4 happen.
Norm Murdock [:Any of those.
Brett Johnson [:Any of those on that?
Norm Murdock [:Trigger an investigation. And then what happens is is if you are taken off the roles before that is permanent, it is actually published on his website, you know, missus Smith
Brett Johnson [:Okay.
Norm Murdock [:Formerly at blah blah. This is your this is a way for organizations or or the person themselves to, you know, or a political party to to look for is she still there or not?
Brett Johnson [:If it's published that way
Norm Murdock [:And then if if if no evidence is presented
Brett Johnson [:Makes sense.
Norm Murdock [:Then they're removed from the rules. Okay. But then somehow that's considered
Steve Palmer [:Of course. You know. Right.
Norm Murdock [:It's, you're tilting the election or you're stealing the or whatever.
Brett Johnson [:As long as that's no long as that name is published somewhere to check, any party can look, anybody can look. I mean, I think that's
Norm Murdock [:legit. Yes. It's publicly public public.
Steve Palmer [:These are obvious things to me. You know, you know, you might even say isn't this incrementalism on the other side? It's like, you know, there's a difference here. These are just basic standards. So the standard is you can't buy a gun if you have a felony. So asking checking to see if somebody has a felony before you buy a gun makes perfect sense. Yeah. If you're a dealer. Now, like, you can't vote twice.
Steve Palmer [:So making sure people don't vote twice seems like it's pretty fair.
Norm Murdock [:Constitution of Ohio and in the legislation governing elections, the county boards and the secretary of state, they have a duty to make sure the voter rolls are accurate. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:This is a government function.
Norm Murdock [:This is a function.
Steve Palmer [:This is what they're supposed to do. Yeah. This this is not a huge intrusion as far as I can tell.
Norm Murdock [:Lastly, guys, the feds, did agree that Ohio's 11 counties that were hit by tornadoes and high winds are now federal disaster areas.
Steve Palmer [:Don't get me started on federal money for that stuff.
Norm Murdock [:Loans and stuff for people that don't have insurance.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. So the rest of us pay more.
Norm Murdock [:Yes. We yes. We do.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Alright. Well, with that, we're gonna wrap it up. This has been another riveting hour or so of Common Sense Ohio, where you can check us out at commonsenseohioshow.com, brought to you week in week out by Harper Plus Accounting. Lots of stuff going on. You can now we've got videos, we got reels, we got clips. I don't know whatever, shorts. We got that stuff everywhere.
Steve Palmer [:I don't know where, but it's everywhere. Ubiquitous, if you want a nice big word.
Brett Johnson [:So
Steve Palmer [:you can check us out. I know Norm's got his blog, and I see his Facebook post. And he's, if you wanna engage him, all you gotta do is dare him, and then he'll he'll pounce like a panther on the keyboard.
Norm Murdock [:Let's talk. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. So coming at you right from the middle each and every week, at least until now.
