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What do you do when God asks you to leave everything behind? For Tiffany and Francis, it meant walking away from a stable nursing career, trusting a prophetic dream, and launching an evangelism ministry when churches everywhere were shutting down.

In this powerful conversation, Francis and Tiffany share their journey from financial security to full-time ministry—including the dream that changed everything, the vaccine mandate that confirmed it, and how they went from fear to faith.

CHAPTERS

(0:00) - Highlight

(2:02) - Their Testimonies: From Catholic to Born Again

(4:15) - The Birth of Sozo Ministries During COVID

(6:22) - The Prophetic Dream & Losing Her Nursing Career

(7:53) - Walking Through Fear: Choosing Obedience Over Security

(18:30) - Working Together as a Couple in Ministry

(32:10)- Success in Ministry: It's About Obedience, Not Numbers

(37:46) - The 20-Person Meeting That Changed Everything

(39:58) - How They Knew They Were Called to Be Evangelists

(43:23) - The Evangelist Academy: Equipping Believers to Share the Gospel

(44:39) - Thank You

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Foreign.

Welcome to Victory podcast.

This is a podcast where we talk about everyday life through a faith lens.

Living in victory.

And today we have two special guests, Francis and Tiffany.

Thank you so much for joining us here today.

Excited to have you guys.

Exciting.

Yeah.

We know you guys a little bit, and we know a little bit about your ministry and all of that, and we just want to know more.

We want to hear the wise, and we want to hear the hearts, the transformative wise.

So, yeah, tell us a little bit about you guys.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Ladies first.

Ladies first.

Okay.

Well, I grew up in church, actually, all my life, but I guess you could say I was half saved.

I fell away from the Lord for a little bit growing up, as I entered, like, my late teens, into my early 20s, decided, you know, I tried the God way, I'm going to try my own way.

Shortly after that, that's when I met Francis.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

That's awesome.

That happens to all of us.

Yeah.

I feel like.

Yeah.

You know, for those that grow up in church, you're like, let me.

Let me see a little bit about what this.

What everyone's talking about.

And then it's like, oh, actually, Lord, take me back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So myself.

So Tiffany and I, we've been married for 12 years.

Yes, 12 years.

I was gonna say 13.

Time flies.

Yeah, it feels like.

But I grew up Catholic for the first 21 years of my life until I met Tiffany.

You know, one thing that was missing was that relationship piece that I didn't even know that you could have with our Lord and Savior.

And so I met Tiffany, and she shared the gospel.

And here we are today.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Now we have two kids.

Chanel, she's 11, and Isaiah, who's 6.

Okay, so Tiffany shared the gospel with you?

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

So we were actually kind of.

Kind of friends before.

Kind of.

I. I didn't know how I felt.

Yeah.

But he was like, you know, I feel like I have everything in life because he had a good job, he was making money, everything.

But he's like, there was still that void.

And I knew he was interested in me.

I was still kind of thinking about if I was interested in him.

And then I was like.

Well, I was like, I'm like, the reason why you're feeling that void is because Jesus is the only one who can fill that void.

Amen.

You know, so he's like, hey, I want to date you.

I was like, well, do you know Jesus can't date me if you don't know him.

So I brought him to church.

He got saved, and I was like, you know, do this for.

For you.

Like, don't do it because you want to date me.

Because I've had other guys where it's like, you come to church.

Yes.

Just for the girl.

Where it's like, no, it has to be genuine and real and praise the Lord.

It was good.

Yeah.

I was gonna say, I.

We would pastor youth and sometimes like, hey, I like this boy, so I'm just gonna bring him to church.

It's like, that's.

You shouldn't.

Yeah, yeah.

Make sure they have a good relationship with Jesus first before you.

Yeah.

Date them and.

And.

And have babies together.

But that's awesome.

Yeah.

So how long have you been saved for?

It's been or re.

Saved.

13 or resaved.

14 years now.

14 years.

Wow, wow, wow, wow.

That's amazing.

And you guys just launched a ministry called Sozo Ministries in the past few years, correct?

Yes, that's correct.

Okay, share, share about that.

Share the heart.

How did that get launched?

Where did that.

Where did.

Did that desire come from for you guys as a couple?

Because you're doing it together, right?

As a couple?

You know, so I. I have a real estate business, and as a couple in the worldly spectrum, it didn't work between us.

Like, she was my assistant for at one point and tried.

But when the Lord called us to start a ministry, you know, it.

Okay.

We had the desire to see souls saved.

You know, when.

When churches were shutting down, we were starting a church and.

And that burden to see souls saved, that's what birthed Good News Chapel.

Vancouver.

Okay.

And just rewinding back, actually, when I first got saved, it was prophesied over my life that we were going to pursue ministry, but I was just recently saved.

I didn't know what that meant.

Like, I. I literally just started my relationship with Jesus.

Like, what does that actually mean?

Yeah, we had different plans.

Different plans.

Yeah, different plans.

You know, my plan growing up was to always, I'm going to make millions of dollars, I'm going to start my own business, and we're going to see where the, like, where, where.

I'm going to take it.

You know, I'm going to do it on my own strength.

Yeah.

And we were going to help the church with, like, Lord, we'll Fund your kingdom.

We'll give lots, we'll tithe more.

We'll give more than our tithe and offering.

And that's like as far as we thought church wise.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So basically I used to be a psychiatric nurse for almost 10 years.

And then the whole Covid thing happened.

Then they began to mandate everyone, you know, get vaccinated or, you know, you're going to be terminated.

Right.

We didn't have peace about getting the vaccine seen and going through with that.

Right.

So I was terminated.

But actually it was exactly like a month before that notice came out.

I had a dream where, you know, I was watching myself doing nursing through like a plexiglass.

And it was, I was saying to myself, I can't believe I won't be doing this anymore.

And then I was like brought to another room where I was like doing stuff in the ministry and I just, you know.

You know when you remember a dream, it's like so vivid.

Yeah.

I woke up, I was like, oh, that's a cool, nice dream.

Didn't think anything of it.

A month later the mandate comes out and I was like, okay Lord.

Like I knew it was more than just a dream.

Right.

So we kind of just, we didn't have the peace.

We felt the Lord was leading us.

You know, my time at with nursing was over.

So yeah, we, I let that go and I mean to see like going back, obviously in that situation, it was, it was scary.

You know, like we have two kids, we had a mortgage, we had bills to pay.

You know, people were making like bets on me, like, oh, where's her God now?

She's going to have to take the vaccine otherwise her life will fall apart.

Right.

And actually it was the vest decision that we actually made.

I was able to raise our children more and focus on them.

Cuz my daughter, she basically grew up in daycare for the first like five years until I was let go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But my son, like I got to really pour into him and my daughter.

And so, yeah, that's amazing.

I just want to touch on that a little bit more.

What was, what was that like?

To, to know that there was a change that needed to happen in your life.

To have seen it in dreams, but then having to actually walk through it, was it scary?

Was there peace?

Because you saw the dreams and I know that there may be people listening right now.

And this podcast is about everyday life, right?

Through faith, through faith lens.

So this is everyday life.

You may have a job, it may be in jeopardy because of any reason, but the Lord is calling you into something.

What was that transition like for you?

I mean, the best way I can explain it, it didn't make sense.

In the car.

Carnal mind.

I was like, lord, we have bills, you know, now we're going to be out like, X amount of dollars a year.

Because, you know, I thought I made pretty good money before.

Yeah.

But here, like, in the spirit, we felt.

We felt the peace here, but in the mind, it didn't make sense.

That's good.

But it was like, you know what?

You always have to follow the peace.

Not follow.

That's.

Yeah, that's really good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How did that translate for you?

Yeah.

On your side, we put our trust in God.

And so, you know, that inspired me.

Right.

And then.

So what happened was, yes, we felt that through our carnal mind, like, okay, we're not going to make X amount per year because that salary is now gone.

Right.

But he exponentially grew our business like, no tomorrow.

And it was like, wow, it was amazing to see.

Like, you know, it was one of those, like, yes, it's.

Financially, he.

He had helped us, but it was one of those things where, hey, you take that first step, you say yes to God and he will put everything in place.

And so that's what, you know, I had the best couple years of my.

In my real estate business, and the Lord speaks to me.

I was like, okay.

It's like I'm.

I'm running on a high.

Like, okay, we're doing so well.

I have.

I have two assistants.

You know, I'm building one of them anymore.

So it's really growing.

Yeah, I'm growing my team.

I grew my team to four agents, and I was a team lead myself.

Okay.

And it got to a point where in my mind, like, okay, I made it.

But then the Lord speaks.

The Lord, but the Lord speaks.

So we actually, we.

We like to take trips to.

Down to Seattle.

If ever we want to get just a little quick getaway, we'll go down.

You know, there's this always.

There's one hotel that we always go to in Bellevue.

I'm an early riser.

I like to get up early in the morning, have my time, spend time with the Lord.

And then typically, you know, three hours later, then the kids and.

And Tiff gets up.

Yeah, I had my time with the Lord.

And it wasn't an audible voice, but I knew in my spirit.

So I'm just doing my.

I'm just doing my reading.

And, like, it just went complete Silent.

And I felt the Lord speak to me.

He's like, he said, you've been running your business for the last 10 years.

It's time to run my business.

Oh, wow, wow.

And right then and there, you know, and like I said, like, it birthed from planting.

Help planting.

Good News Chapel, Vancouver.

I see the obedience through my wife.

All the things that he's done up to our, like in our lives.

And that was like the very first time where it's just like, okay, yes, Lord, I submit.

Yeah, right.

Not that I haven't been, but it was, it was one of those.

It took me back to the time when I was first called into the ministry, when I first got saved.

And I knew exactly, exactly what he was telling, telling us to do.

Okay.

So, you know, enrolled in Bible school.

Okay.

And here we are today.

Oh, wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It takes, it, it does take faith to take that first step.

Right.

Especially when you don't know what it's going to look like externally.

Oh, yes, especially when you, you were saying it doesn't make sense in your mind externally, but it takes faith to, to trust and to know that God has the next step and has things set up for you.

Right.

And that can be, that can be a scary place if, you know, if you're, if you're relying on your external circumstances or for things to make sense.

Because when you follow Jesus, things don't always make sense.

Right.

How did people react to you not doing like, business, like in this successful way, but pursuing ministry?

Have people said anything about that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Especially like, you know, a lot of people in, in the real estate world, especially here in this local area, they know that I'm the Christian realtor.

If ever they need prayer, they know who they get to or who to come to.

And, and so it was shocking, but it wasn't quite.

It wasn't like a big surprise to everyone else.

Right, right.

That's good.

And, and they know me as a person that's always go, go, go.

It's like, well, what's, what else is Francis?

That's the outside world, but the inside, family wise, oh, you know, oh, but you went to school to be a nurse.

You know, you got a degree.

It was four years.

Like, what do you mean?

Like, why are you going to.

You're just giving it up, right?

You're giving it up.

And I want to say too, like, I didn't like, give it up.

We did try to fight it.

In the background, there was like a group of terminated nurses trying to get together to do it, because the mandate actually fell in every province.

It was only BC who actually went through with it.

Okay.

So, you know, I was like, okay, well, Lord, you really must be calling me out if this is the only province that stuck to it.

Right.

Okay.

But, yeah, just having that.

The.

The family initially, you know, when we rewind them saying that, but now they're like, we knew it.

Oh, you're anointed.

Praise the Lord.

Right?

Yeah.

But, yeah, it's funny to see now.

Yeah, we laugh about it now, but, yeah, they're like, you know, we're just trying to look you because we love you.

And of course, that's what parents do.

Yes, of course.

Their role.

And I love when God moves a mountain for you.

Yes.

Right.

Like, when he sees something that it's like, okay, you need to get out.

And.

And it's like, no, you're.

You're.

You're getting out, like, now.

Like, yeah.

And sometimes I feel like that's scary.

As a man, I feel like that would be horrifying to.

To, you know, your wife needing to leave that and whatnot, and what finances will look like in the home and all that.

And so, yeah, God prevails every time, and he has a plan every time.

Amen.

What is the heart behind Sozo Ministries?

I know it's evangelistic.

Share a little bit more on that.

What do you guys do?

What does it practically look like together?

Because I know you guys do this together.

Please set us off.

No, you start.

Well, I guess rewinding back a bit where he said, like, this was kind of birthed out of Good News Chapel.

You know, we planted Good News Chapel with two other families.

Right.

We would gather, switch houses.

So it's like if the cop showed up.

Psych.

We're not there this week or somewhere else, but we were just watching online, and we.

We were watching Pastor Jonathan Shuttlesworth church, and he was like, hey, my sister pastors in Canada.

And we're like, they're in Canada.

That's how we got connected with Good News Chapel Montreal.

And that's how we, you know, we sent them an email.

They ignored the first one.

We said, hey, guys, let's try again.

So we sent them another email.

And then we heard this story.

We heard this story.

Power and follow up, people.

Follow up.

So we followed up, and I believe it was actually Pastor Jessica who said, saw the email, and something in her said, hey, like, what is this email?

Let's look at it more.

Let's reach out to them.

And then from that it be.

We became Good News.

Yeah.

We became Good News Chapel.

Wow.

And then just being at Good News Chapel, seeing, you know, we have salvations like every week and all of that stuff, the Lord's really been putting.

Well, he put it on his heart a lot earlier.

I was like, that's great.

You're going to be an evangelist.

I'm going to support you.

I will be that supportive wife.

Yeah.

It wasn't actually until May of this year.

Yeah.

Where I was reading because he keeps, you know, he's the faith speaker and he's like, babe, we're evangelists.

I'm like, yeah, you're the evangelist and I'm your supportive wife.

But my alone time with the Lord, where he actually.

I felt the call, where I felt, okay, I am to do this alongside him.

He was actually sitting in a service.

We were trying to come up with a name and we were like throwing names there.

Right, right.

And like something that has the wholeness of it is what we were thinking.

And he was actually out with evangelist tj.

Evangelist TJ out in Edmonton.

I was helping him at one of his meetings.

T.J. t.J. Green.

No, T.J. malkandji.

Okay, okay.

With salvation.

Now during this time, we're.

We're trying to come up with names.

And he said it during his service.

I'm like, that's it.

That's it?

Yeah, that's it.

I texted Tiffany is like, hey, it's going to be Sozo.

And I was like, why didn't I think of that?

Why didn't we think of that?

Like she said zozo.

And then the.

The Greek for sozo is to save, heal and deliver.

That's right.

And so that kind of birth the name Sozo Y.

And when we look at the root of our ministry, our root is to save souls, to tell people about Jesus.

To see a nation shaken, restored, and.

Man, like, set on fire.

The Lord has been so good to us and what he's done in our lives.

Yeah.

And we wanted to be a part of that assignment that he's called us to do.

Yeah.

And so that's amazing.

That's where Sozo came from.

Tell us a little bit about, like, what you've seen, like in.

In your ministry and involved with your ministry so far.

Yeah.

So what we've seen is, you know, like Tiffany was saying is we come from a soul winning church.

Okay.

And coming from a soul Winning church.

Like, it takes you.

Like, it really gets you out of your comfort zone.

Right, right.

Just looking at church history, like, and, and, and the way that you go out to save souls, sometimes it's only left to a few that actually go outside the four walls of this church to tell people about Jesus.

Evangelists.

Yeah.

And so being a part of a soul winning church, we do outreaches every single year.

We just did a revival service out in.

At what's called Science World.

Science World in Vancouver.

Yes.

Yes, that's right.

Over 170 people came.

Wow.

Over 50 people gave their lives to Christ right then and there.

And the great part is, is not everyone there were our church members.

They all came through.

Yeah.

Instagram, Facebook ads and.

Wow.

You know, there's a hunger here in Vancouver that we want.

And like, Pastor Oscar probably said it last week, but the one word that keeps popping in his head is spark, spark, spark.

And we feel that we're part of that spark and that to ignite that revival here in this region.

Going back on outreaches, you know, what we've seen is, you know, we've seen many healings through our ministry.

Actually, just this morning, I prayed for my dad's knee, and he's.

It's been bothering him for so long.

They're actually heading out to the Philippines today, and as I went down to say, you know, hey, have a safe trip.

Let me pray for your knee before you go.

So that.

Because he's.

They just got back from Finland and just walking through the airport was killing him.

As I was praying for him, I put my hand on his knee and I felt a pop.

Oh, wow.

I was like, do something you can't do.

So he's moving his leg and, and praise the Lord, like, he was healed.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

And so just.

We've just seen so many healings through our ministry.

We did an outreach in July at a local park in Cloverdale.

Okay.

Prayed for a lady who was bound by a wheelchair for the last 12 years of her life.

Wow.

That's her primary way of, of, of, of getting around.

Yeah.

And so she, she shattered her knee 12 years ago.

I prayed for her and she felt a pop as well.

Oh, wow.

Next, you know, she's standing up, she's walking, and praise God, she's healed.

That's so good.

You have a knee anointing anybody with knee problems.

Oh, Francis.

But when we talk about the wholeness of Sozo ministry, you know, healing, saving souls, that's the heartbeat of our Ministry.

That's awesome.

That's amazing.

And you guys do it as a team.

Yes.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

Wow.

I love that.

I do.

Do the kids in any way get involved or are they part of.

Yeah.

Chanel is our media.

Our.

We're raising her up.

When we travel, she takes pictures and stuff for us.

She's better than me.

I was like, oh, I could do it.

And I was like, you know what?

You.

You do it.

Yeah.

And then Isaiah, he's practicing on the drums right now.

He wants worship.

You can sing too, so.

Yeah.

Okay.

But also he'll, like, take our phone out of nowhere.

Isaiah does.

And then, like, he'll just, like, say, hey, God loves you.

You need to follow God.

Like, we've put him on, like, at the start before one of our podcasts.

Before just showing how it's like, you know, kids are always watching.

Yes, they are.

And they learn more than just telling them.

They see what you're doing.

Exactly.

And it's like, so nice to.

To see that, you know, he's taking what he sees from us and like.

Yeah.

Putting it out there.

And he's so, like, you know, when they say childlike faith, like, he definitely has that.

He'll, like, he'll like, hurt something.

He's like, I need you to pray for me so it'll go away right now.

And we're like, yes, okay, let's pray.

Praise the Lord.

Come on.

Because we talk about it sometimes too.

Like, the biggest way the kids learn is by watching your parents and the way they live.

Right.

Rather than just telling them, you know, do this or, you know, live this way, they actually do it.

Because you're living it.

Right.

Because they saw you do it.

Yeah.

That is the biggest parenting thing I.

Well, that I've learned from being a parent is, you know, them seeing you do it rather than, you know, it's good to still tell them, but encourage them.

But just you living.

How is.

What is it like having a ministry and being a family?

Like, what?

And parenting.

And parenting at the same time?

Like, what is that like for you guys?

That's.

Yeah.

Everyday life through the faith lens.

Yeah.

Everyday life.

I think I'll speak first.

So, you know, just being in real estate, running a real estate business, like, it's non stop.

Right.

It's 24 7.

Yes.

Right.

You're trying to finish deals at 10 o' clock at night when sometimes you're not going anywhere at that time, but.

Right.

It always has been non stop.

Right.

And it's.

It's Funny when.

When we first agreed together, like, okay, hey, let's let you know, God has put it on our hearts to launch ministry.

What is that going to look like?

And she actually just said like, a couple months ago.

I'm like, wow, she.

She said, um, it's so crazy how when you were in real estate, like, God prepared me for you being away for when ministry comes.

Okay.

Yeah.

You want to explain more on that?

Yeah, I guess, like, when he was doing what he's still doing, well, praise God.

But when he was really into real estate and doing that, the kids and I were used to, you know, like, waking up, he's already at work, going to bed.

Like, I do the bed time routine.

Right.

And he, like, we let him build the business, but we had an understanding that, you know, this is just for a season.

Right, right.

And then I was saying, I was like, hey, it's like, you know, being back to that season because, like, he's getting invited to go places.

We're gonna stay, stay back here because the kids are still in school and all of that stuff.

So I was just saying, I was like, hey, this actually is like, you know, your real estate was preparation.

Yes.

For what we're gonna be doing now in ministry, so.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're a team.

Yeah, you are team.

I think that's the thing too, is like, know your role as the husband and wife and what that will be, and that would help a lot, I think.

Yes.

I mean, like, we've talked to people where, you know, their.

Their relationship is a bit strained, but it's like they both expect the other person to do the same thing.

It's like, maybe you guys need to sit down and talk like, hey, this is what I'm going to be doing.

This is what you're going to be doing.

And understand it's a.

It's a partnership.

You know, sometimes when there's disagreements, it's like, me against you, but it's like, no, it's us.

And this is the concern or issue, and how do we get to a solution together?

Right, right, right.

Yes.

And then prepping the kids because, you know, there was a time where, like, he.

He was.

It's not like he was never around, but like, you know, they just saw him less than they do, for example, now.

Right.

And it was like, you know, this is what we're doing.

This is.

And having that constant conversation so they know and understand.

Yeah.

I think that really.

That really helped.

Clear.

Clear with them.

Yeah.

Be clear.

Yeah, yeah.

And then there was A time where we started seeing him more.

And then my daughter is like, do you still have a job?

She's like, why are you still here?

Why do we always see you?

Yeah, we have a job.

We need money for shoes.

Yeah.

You know, she's like, hey, you know.

We'Re not at the mall today.

Yeah, that's awesome.

And I think like, also too, just launching into ministry as well.

Like our, know the evangelists that we know, they, with any, every, like with any opportunity that they have to be on the road with their family, they always advise us like, hey, if your family can be there, bring them.

Yes.

Right.

Yeah.

We've done a couple trips to Colona over these past couple months, helping with their youth and young adults there.

And so, you know, Chanel's been on the camera.

Yeah, that's awesome.

And the whole family's on the road.

Oh, I love that.

That's amazing.

I feel like that's really rewarding when the whole family does it together.

When you're able to do it all together.

So good.

And you guys do.

I saw on your website and your, your social media, you guys also do podcasts, you guys, you travel, you do YouTube, social media.

Do you find that even in this day and age with the demographic and you know, the, the young adults, the millennial generation.

Yeah.

That a lot of your platform is online media, right?

Yes.

So what is your perspective when you're doing evangelism, like online versus in person?

Like, you know, you use both platforms.

What is that like for you guys?

You know, doing a lot of stuff.

Online and we've been doing weekly, weekly and slash bi weekly podcasts lately.

Yeah.

Back in the day when evangelists would go out and preach.

Yeah.

You know, Billy Graham would fill a stadium.

Whereas we have an online platform now where we can reach thousands just on the Internet alone.

Yes.

I was, I was telling you guys earlier, like, you know, all the things that I've learned in real estate, I've been, we've been trying to apply with, with our ministry, you know, all the video editing, those are all things that we do in house.

We don't, we don't outsource videos.

We don't outsource.

Yeah.

So we do everything in house.

Yeah.

Even just like I said, like my daughter is now trying to get into media as well.

So God has given us all these equipment in our possession and we're going to use it to the fullest to, to be able just to reach as many people as we can.

Yeah.

I feel like God prepares us before he sends us.

Yes.

And it may be different, and it has to be different for everyone watching at home that any season you're in, you're just.

God's just preparing you for what he's going to send you into.

And like my background, before I was here setting up these cameras and all of this stuff for, for this podcast, I was on YouTube and I was a YouTuber and that's how I learned all of my video skills.

Full time youtuber.

So I learned how to be on camera, how.

Which, how to set up cables, microphones, cameras, all of that stuff.

And that prepared me for here.

Same with you.

I'm hearing that God prepared you through real estate and I'm sure you've learned many more skills than just how to do media.

Yeah.

With real estate.

That prepared you for ministry.

Yeah, that's so good.

Yeah.

And being a psych nurse too.

You know, you deal with difficult people in that field and then you go to ministry and you think it's flowers and daisies and then you're like, oh, my goodness, there's difficult people in the ministry.

What?

Yeah, everything.

Like, we talk because I teach a class.

I'm an instructor at KCBC Canada here, so I teach a class on people skills and it's like, yeah, how to deal with difficult people.

Right.

So when I was teaching it, I'm like, oh, my goodness.

I was like, this is like Psych Nursing 101.

That's amazing.

So, wow.

Yeah.

God, it just prepared you to teach this class.

That's amazing.

I love that.

Oh, on that note too, like with social media.

Yeah.

You know, I've been able to connect with a lot of pastors that I don't know.

You know, a lot of pastors are on Instagram.

They'll add you randomly.

But one thing that I've.

What I used to always do in my real estate business is that sets me apart is I always send them a video message.

Anytime a pastor adds me, I'm.

I'm sending them a video message, a personal video message, like, hey, Pastor, thanks for adding me on Facebook or Instagram.

I'm looking forward to connect with you soon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then actually just last week, we had a.

We had a pastor that reached out from California.

Okay.

And he was like, hey, man of God, can't wait to connect with you soon.

So we can do something in California.

And so, you know, it's social media in general.

You can reach anyone.

Yeah.

Reach anyone.

So good.

That's so good.

That's so good.

I love that.

So this is one question because I know you both play an evangelistic role in your ministry.

So in your view, what do you feel like is the most common lie or mindset you're up against when you're in an evangelistic setting?

So if you need.

If you need a.

If you need time to think or, you know, for example, you know, there could be, you know, fear or shame or apathy.

And how do you.

How do you approach that when you're in that setting?

Like, what would be, like, a.

A solution to that or things you've come across while you're.

Yeah, I think, for one, when it comes to healing.

Right.

You know, a lot of people don't think it's God's will to heal him and that it's God.

That's right.

Who is the one.

Yeah.

That is allowing their.

Whatever sickness or disease that they may have.

That is a really big misconception.

Right.

And one thing that we've learned through our time in ministry is, you know, what we like to do is we like to play videos to stir up people's faith.

Okay.

Right.

So whether it's past testimonials that we've had, that's good.

Right.

You know, I did a sermon, you know, a couple weeks ago when the whole Charlie Kirk situation happened.

I played what the pastor did at his memorial.

Okay.

And it was about going out there and telling people about Jesus.

Yes.

Right.

And so just using media to your advantage.

Yes.

And whatever way that will help steer people's faith, you know, that's how we help to overcome that.

Yeah.

I think.

Yeah.

Testimonies is like a big.

Is huge.

Yeah.

Because it's like, when.

When was this?

You know, like, a lot of people think, like, yeah, they did that, like, years ago, but that doesn't happen now.

Right.

But it's like.

No, actually, last week, last month, we were just here.

This happened.

I think that really helps.

And also.

I think it's like, also falls on the one who's ministering.

You know, we have to go and make sure that we're prepared.

We have to rely on the spirit.

And, you know, we always pray.

We're like, you know, come and do what only you can do.

You know, because I think sometimes you can get caught up in the ministry and doing things where it's like, becomes just routine, and then you're just doing it.

And we always say to ourselves, like, we don't ever want to fall into that.

So it's always like, making sure.

Yeah.

You know, late nights, prepping.

Yes.

Praying.

We're waking up the kids, we're like, oops, sorry, go back to sleep.

Yeah.

When we pray, you know, it's not like we're just like, pray.

We'll still pray loud even though it's like 11 o' clock at night.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

I love that.

That's so good.

So what does.

What right now do you feel like is on the horizon for Sozo?

Like, is there.

What can partners and friends pray with you guys about for anything upcoming for you guys?

Yes, you.

You take that.

So my wife actually runs our children's department at Good News Chapel, right?

Yep.

And so in terms of kind of where we see Sozo going, like, right now, like, a lot of the meetings that we've been doing have been children, youth, young adults.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think naturally, we just started.

We.

We've just naturally started to gravitate towards that.

Okay.

Because of where we're currently serving right now.

Right, right.

Just seeing children, the youth, the young adults being changed, transformed, like, they're the future of our generation.

And our mandate right now is to, you know, we will serve our generation.

No matter what age you are and no matter what age you are, if you have breath in your lungs, like, you have the ability to go out there, you have the authority and the power to go out there to tell people about Jesus and to see a region shaken.

Yeah, right.

Come on.

I think to.

To touch on that, too.

It's like something that's been on our hearts is like, you know, we always hear, like, oh, well, you learn through your mistakes where it's like, you know, there's a way you can do it where you don't have to make the mistakes that your parents made, you don't have to make.

And it's like, if these young people, if they can get a hold of that, you know, if we could help them get that out, that hold.

Right.

Like, they could walk through life golden, you know, never, never have to fall and slip and, you know, life is valleys and hills.

No, we're supposed to go from glory to glory, strength to strength, victory to victory, and just help the younger generation see that, you know, you don't have to go through the hard times to get the good times.

That's good.

That's really good.

I love that.

Wow.

Do you have any more questions for them?

No.

No.

All right.

I have a few.

Maybe a few more.

This is something I'm always.

I'm always curious to know, being in ministry.

How would you define.

How do you measure the fruit of Your ministry beyond numbers.

You know, when you're in ministry, what.

What does.

What does success look like being in ministry beyond numbers.

Beyond numbers.

Or is it the numbers?

Because I.

You could ask it another way as well, right?

Yeah, I think it's like a mix of things.

I would say definitely.

Like if you're having meetings and no one's being saved and there's no miracle signs and wonders.

You know, when you look at the role of the evangelist in Luke 4:16 to 19, you know, preach the gospel to the poor.

Yeah.

Set the captives free.

Heal the brokenhearted.

You know, if you're not seeing that, if we go out and we don't see any of that, we're gonna go, okay, Lord.

Like, were we really called to that place?

Place.

Yes.

So I think like measuring it that way, that we should see those things.

Cuz, you know, evangelists should be like, that's the.

I guess, what can you say?

The ministry of the evangelism.

Exactly.

We need to see those things happen.

People's lives.

And like, you know, when you think about an evangelist is like when they.

It's saving the loss.

So when the loss come, they don't have the spiritual eyes to see.

The evangelist role is when they preach the Word.

The word of God goes forth and it transforms them and eyes are created in that person and they begin to see things.

So like, even if they don't give their life to Jesus, but they start to have like.

So a seed was planted, like that will be measured as.

That's so, you know, fruits, like seeing people save people.

Sometimes we go and do things, we don't hear anything, but then later we'll hit.

Say, yes.

Hey, guess what?

This happened.

Yes.

That's so good.

Yeah.

I guess a better way to, to, to ask that question is what.

What does success look like?

Or what do you define success?

You know, being in.

In an, in an evangelist role.

And I really loved what you said, but also I feel like just with you guys sharing your stories, I feel like it could also be your obedience to.

Yes.

Like your obedience and following what the Lord was telling you guys to do.

Because that's huge.

Yeah.

I mean, like with us too, like, you know, we don't define success with how many people are in the church pews.

Right.

At the end of the day, when we feel that we're called to a certain place.

Yes.

God called us there.

Exactly.

Whether it's one person that hears the gospel, that one person can change a whole world.

Yeah.

That one person can shake a region like, no.

Tomorrow, that one person can be set on fire and can win many more souls down the road.

So that's so good.

If there's one person that takes something from the meeting.

Yeah.

Then that's.

That's success for us.

Enough for us.

Right.

Because we were that.

We were that one.

Yeah, you were that one.

Yeah, we were that one.

We were attending a church where it was like 20 people.

Wow.

And it was evangelist Michael and Sarah Viich.

We were their very first meeting.

Wow.

And they're like, oh, Lord, we don't know why we're going to Vancouver.

But yeah, they lived in Florida.

They didn't know.

They're like, would you ever come back to Vancouver?

They didn't even know what Vancouver was.

And then of course, they're just starting out, so they're saying yes to everything.

Wow.

And then, so they go, yeah, yeah.

And then they look, they're like, oh, my goodness, it takes three planes to get there.

We're losing money.

Like, lord, what is happening?

And then we actually saw them recently.

What was that, a few months ago or a month ago?

Few months ago.

And then sitting down with them at dinner, they're like, now we know why God called us.

Cuz we were there for like, you guys.

It was like us, my sister and her husband were touched by that meeting.

We all went into ministry.

But at the time they didn't, they didn't know.

They were just obedient to go.

Right.

And wow.

I didn't even want to attend the meeting.

Yeah.

I like to be honest.

Yeah.

I had to kind of force him.

I said, we're going and you're going to put on a smile and I'm going to put on a smile.

You know, sometimes I think too, sometimes it's like you see people in ministry and then you like, you see the pastor, you see like all of them, and then everyone is like flowers and daisies.

But you don't know what went on behind the closed doors before getting there.

Right.

But it's like making up your mind that, hey, we're here now.

This is church.

We do it for Jesus.

You know, we're.

If we're, if there's a little bit of a disagreement, it is no more.

We'll talk about it later, but we're going to go.

And you know, I think too sometimes you see pastors, like, you could tell the spouses are fighting, but we, like, we don't ever want to do that.

We're like, when we're there, we're in agreement.

We're one and this is how it is.

And then later we can talk about it.

Later, we'll break it down, talk.

About it at some point.

Yeah, I love that.

Maybe to end it off, I would love to know why evangelists, like, when did you know that you were called to be evangelists rather than prophet, pastor, teacher, apostle, when did you know that you were called to evangelize?

Even for those that might be listening, that are thinking of.

Of like, you know, like, I know this is my calling, but how.

What do I do?

Or how do I get there?

What's the first step?

Or how do I know that evangelist, like, being an evangelist is my calling.

Matthew 28 is to go out to the world and preach the gospel.

When I first read that, I brushed over it, but I kept rereading it.

You know, Bible says to meditate the word day and night.

That's what really broke my heart.

Right?

And I knew that's when I was actually called to be evangelist.

You know, when I finished.

Actually when I finished Bible school, you know, I knew I wanted to be evangelist, but I didn't know if that was just because of my desires.

But through faith preachers, they would always prophesy over my life that we will go out to the nations.

And so that's where, like, I knew in our.

In my spirit, that that's where the Lord's calling me.

And so that's the verse that really resonated with.

With me in my life.

And so that's where felt that we were called in that direction.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there was an evangelist who came recently, I think, earlier this year, and like, she didn't know him or anything, but when she laid hands on him to pray, and she's like, mighty evangelist, he was done.

He's like, praise the Lord.

I got my confirmation.

That's awesome.

Hallelujah.

That is awesome.

Yeah.

Thank God for prophets.

Yes.

For me, though, it was like I went into Bible school because, well, what I felt called after the whole thing happened within psych nursing, I was like, okay, Lord, I know you're leading me this way.

I was still the head over children's ministry.

I was like, you know, since I teach the kids and all that stuff, it would be good to know the word of God more than what.

What I was doing.

So I'll just go take Bible school and see where that leads.

I never saw anything past children's ministry because that's all I've.

I've been doing right.

And we were going that way and it's like, how can I support my husband in this role?

Am I supposed to be in this role?

Like, I felt like I was at a crossroad kind of.

I guess you could say, yeah.

And then I was like, Lord, like, I need an answer.

Like, am I like gonna be going on the road with him?

Am I gonna not?

Like, tell, like, talk to me here, tell me.

Yeah.

I was like, I don't even know where to start.

But as I opened up my Bible, it was Isaiah 49.

And then it was like the title is the Lord's servant commissioned.

I was like, lord, this looks like a good place to start.

So I'm going start right here.

So I started reading and when I got to, it's like, you're going to do more than restore the people of Israel.

I'll make you a light to all the gentiles.

Like, I started weeping cuz that's when I felt the confirmation that I'm supposed to do this with him.

Because previously it was just me supporting him.

That's amazing.

That's so good.

And now you guys go around teaching churches and groups how to preach the gospel, Is that right?

Yes.

Okay, that's amazing.

We have a, we have a thing called the Reach One Academy.

Yes, that's right.

And we're actually creating a, a school platform so you can, you can just see online with the modules.

Yeah.

So that's what we're working on right now.

Wow.

And so, you know, what we do is we teach the congregation to go out there and preach the gospel and we'll go out soul winning.

We'll do a teaching on it and we'll go out soul winning with them.

Okay.

And yeah, no, I just wanted to add to that.

Like one thing is like some people think, you know, evangelism is for the evangelists, but really, you know, Jesus said it to everyone.

It's a command.

And it's.

If you call yourself a believer, you should be going out and, and winning souls and sharing the gospel.

Yeah.

Otherwise it's like, you know, what are you even doing?

Yes.

The Great Commission was not a great suggestion.

Yeah, right.

That's a good Dr. Rodney Harry Brown would say.

Yeah, it's a good word.

Well, if you are listening, friends and partners, go look up their website, their social media, Sozo Ministries.

And they have a podcast and you guys do YouTube.

We'll have all the links down below.

Yeah, well, we'll link everything down below so you guys can check it out.

But please go and check this amazing couple out and their ministry.

And we love you guys.

We support you.

Can you guys just end this podcast by praying for our partners and our friends?

And whatever you feel led to pray, go for it.

Yes.

Well, Heavenly Father, Lord, we just want to thank you for this time that we could spend together, Father.

And we thank you, Lord, for all of our partners and friends that are watching this video now and even later.

Oh God, that people would hear this, this word, Lord, hear what was spoken on here, and that you would further ignite things in them, Lord.

People who need confirmation, people who are.

Who have questions, Lord, just as we did once, once upon a time ago.

Oh God, that you're giving them answers, Father.

And I thank you, Lord, that even by the end of this week that they would have the answer that they're needing.

Oh God, that they've been searching for, that they've been praying for.

Oh God, we come into agreement now, Lord.

We thank you, Father, that they are blessed, Lord, and they're coming and going.

And we thank you for everything that you're doing in and through this ministry, oh God.

We thank you for the opportunity to be here and partner with them, oh God.

And we just thank you for what's to come, Lord, and that we could come together as the body of Christ as you have commanded, oh God, and do the work that you have assigned each of us to do, Lord, before the great coming day of Jesus.

We love you and we praise you, oh God, in Jesus name.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Wow.

So good.

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