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Today we dive into the profound theme of obedience to divine guidance, as articulated by Pastor Oscar, who shares his personal journey of faith and the pivotal moments that led him to establish Good News Chapel in Vancouver. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of remaining attuned to God's voice amidst life's complexities, underscoring that true obedience is characterized by willingness, not mere compliance. Throughout the dialogue, we explore the importance of recognizing joy as an indicator of God's presence and guidance, particularly when navigating challenging transitions. Pastor Oscar's experiences illuminate the concept that while external circumstances may appear daunting, a steadfast commitment to following God can yield transformative results. Ultimately, this episode serves as a powerful reminder that faithful obedience can lead to both personal and communal revival in the face of uncertainty.

CHAPTERS

(00:00) - Highlight

(03:14) - The Journey to Planting Good News Chapel

(10:12) - Navigating Life Changes: The Call to Move

(18:51) - Spiritual Awakening and Revival Vision

(29:41) - Balancing Family and Ministry

(33:28) - Hearing and Following the Voice of God

(38:33) - Thank you

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He's like, are you serious?

You were the one to go a year ago, but I couldn't put that on you.

You needed to hear that from God.

Yes.

It doesn't normally match up with our external circumstances.

The Lord is constantly speaking.

Are you actually still enough to listen?

Why would God call you to something to make you miserable?

I feel like there's the greatest breakthrough when you just actually are being obedient without even knowing they're willing.

But not everyone's obedient, and so therefore, they cannot partake of the blessing.

I don't ever want to be in a place where I'm comfortable in my Christianity.

Hello, and welcome to Victory Podcast.

This is a podcast where we talk about everyday life through a faith lens, living in victory.

And today we have a special guest, Pastor Oscar.

Thank you so much for joining us today.

Hey, thank you for having me here today.

We're going to have a good time.

Yeah, we are.

Yeah, we are.

For those who don't know you, tell us a little bit about you.

Sure.

Well, my name is Oscar.

I have a beautiful wife named Melanie, and we have four children, all under the age of six right now.

Oh, wow.

So our house, it is definitely not quiet.

It's definitely not quiet.

But it's been amazing.

You know, God has graced us.

We're a beautiful family.

We originally didn't plan to have four kids.

Okay.

We just thought, you know, like, three would be kind of like the max, you know?

But it's been incredible to see how God has blessed us with all the children and.

And learning a lot at the same time as to how a family, nuclear family, actually is very similar to a church family.

Oh, really?

So, well, you have, like, different characters.

You have, you know, who needs encouragement in this area, who needs a little bit more attention in another area and constantly telling them, get along.

You know, you're one family.

Similar to a church.

Similar to a church.

You know, think about the words of Paul where he says, you know, settle your differences.

And so.

But it's been wonderful.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Yeah, it's wonderful.

And you pastor as well, right?

Yes.

So obviously that's also very important.

We are pastoring.

We have the opportunity to pastor a church called Good News Chapel.

Okay.

Yeah.

We are part of a greater movement, and so we are the first church plan of this movement, actually.

So we are Good News Chapel, Vancouver in British Columbia.

And then we have the mother church, which would be Good News Chapel, Montreal.

And so that church is Ascending Church.

So we already have Vancouver.

We also Have Ottawa.

Okay.

And God willing, we'll have by next year.

Good News Chapel, Quebec.

Wow.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

And so.

So you and your wife moved here from Montreal to plant Good News Chapel, Vancouver.

So I was an associate pastor under Pastor Steve in Montreal.

I know Pastor Steve since I was the age of 16.

Okay.

He was the teaching pastor at the time.

Yeah.

And.

And then, you know, God made a way.

He became the lead pastor, and I've been with him ever since.

You know, really, we didn't have any plans to become lead pastors.

We just wanted to serve God, you know, whatever it was, you know, I don't know about you guys, which I'm sure it is the heart of serving the Lord.

Right.

Like, Lord, I would rather be in your courts than anywhere else.

I'll be a doorkeeper in your house.

Doesn't matter what.

And so we were just available.

And then during COVID there was a group of people here in British Columbia who a lot of churches obviously ended up closing down during that period.

And.

And so a group of families got together and they started watching us online.

So they were watching our live stream back in Montreal.

Yep.

With that, they ended up reaching out because they started having people at their home.

They ended up reaching out, I think six months in of doing this, we had no idea that these people were doing this.

Yeah, yeah.

And they're like, would you consider opening up a church?

So it was in the vision of the house to plant churches.

But, you know, you get an email like that during COVID you have no idea who this is.

Yeah.

Right.

So our pastor basically just pressed delete.

He didn't even read.

He's like, this is nuts.

Delete.

I move forward.

Three months later, they reached out again.

Oh, wow.

So this time we're like, okay, this must be real.

Yeah, let's read the email.

Exactly.

So we answered the email, we set up a meeting, and the first thing that we ended up doing was we set them up like, okay, this is wonderful.

We felt that this was from the Lord.

And so what we ended up doing was we, you know, we put them up in a school, an elementary school around here, actually around the area.

Okay.

And they were watching live stream.

We were still trying to figure out in Montreal, what are we doing with this group of people.

Interesting.

Right.

Like, they obviously feel connected with us.

They've been watching us now close to a year.

It's live stream even what the way we want to go with.

And so as an associate pastor in Montreal, one of my responsibility was to.

For expansion and growth.

And so I had just bought our house in Montreal.

In Montreal.

Okay.

I was working under a great pastor, Pastor Steve.

Wonderful leadership.

We have a good relationship.

Everything's going great.

So they asked me, what are we going to do with Vancouver?

So I said, well, there's a beautiful couple and they just graduated from Bible school, but they're like, they're good, you know, like, I think they could go.

They have no children.

They're going to do wonderful.

So we start the process.

Oh, wow.

I don't know what happened within it.

It was about a nine year, sorry, nine months period where they were in contact with them and.

But every time that they were supposed to come, something would happen.

You know, either paste say, no, let's wait until we go together, or then they said, well, we're pregnant.

And which.

Congratulations, by the way.

And so, like, there was things, you know, and so they kept delaying it and the circumstances really delayed it.

And.

But in that period of time, the church that was watching here started dwindling.

So it had grown about to 50 people, then it had gone to 30 and then to 20.

And it was the same concept of people love, that people got saved.

But we often got the same answer as it was, we need a real pastor, you know.

Yeah.

And so with that being said, we had to make a decision because, you know, like, yes, it's wonderful.

We have a group of people, but now it's like it's draining the resources of Montreal.

You know, it's like we keep sending.

I don't.

I don't remember at the time.

I mean, I could be off a little bit, but about $5,000 every month.

So it's like, it's.

It's substantial.

Yeah.

And so we made a.

Make a decision.

We call a board meeting and, and say, okay, what do we have to do?

Either we send someone immediately or we shut it down.

And so because I was the expansion pastor, they basically said, like, you know, yeah, what are your thoughts?

So I was like, I need to pray about this.

And I went to pray.

I'm like, lord, what are we going to do?

Like, this couple is not working out.

They're fantastic.

You know, like, why isn't.

What's the delay?

And I hear a small voice, which is, that's how the Lord often speaks, Right.

And I hear him say very clearly, not like audibly, but like, inward witness.

Right.

You're supposed to go.

And I said, lord, send somebody else.

Oh, the Lord just.

Yeah.

And once again, I hear, every time I would ask, what am I Supposed to do.

Who are we supposed to say?

Because you're supposed to go, wow.

And.

And I said, okay.

Immediately, I knew exactly, you know, because I was crying in desperation.

There was this thing that from my heart was, I can't believe there's a group of people there.

Yeah.

Without a shepherd.

And so I remember telling the Lord, Lord, would you make it easy for me, number one, to tell my wife that the house that we bought nine months ago.

Right.

We have to sell.

You guys didn't have kids back then either?

We did.

Right.

Oh, you had kids?

We had two.

So we had two.

Two kiddos lived in our home.

For us, it was our dream home.

Beautiful neighborhood, no neighbors in the back, Just everything that you can imagine.

It was incredible.

Like, the type of home that you're like, we're going to grow here forever, you know, like, we're only downsized from here.

And so we.

I said, you know, lord, make it easy.

That my wife, you know, would.

Would be, like, on board on this.

Right.

And also, second thing, that Pastor Steve would be on board with this.

Yeah.

Because we have such a good relationship.

If I'm coming, I mean, he's going to have to replace.

Not that I'm irreplaceable, but we have such a nice relationship, for sure.

And so I go home that day, tell my wife all.

I said, babe, I think we're supposed to go.

Yeah.

She immediately starts crying.

She says, I know.

She goes, the Lord spoke to me about three weeks.

She said, but I didn't, you know.

Yeah.

I didn't want it to become a reality, you know.

I said, okay, that's one.

I said, the other person is going to be Pastor Steve.

And so we end up going to.

To a trip as Stephen I.

He was being interviewed by French media, news media.

And on our way back, it's about an hour drive.

Yeah.

He asks me the question.

Yeah, what are we gonna do with Vancouver?

Yeah.

Wow.

And I said, well, I don't know.

You're the pastor.

I didn't want to say it.

Yeah.

And he stayed quiet.

And then he said, what are we gonna do with Vancouver?

And that second time he asked me, I said, well, this is your chance to say it.

So I said, I think I'm supposed to go.

This is a small highway where we were at.

Yeah.

He came to the car to a full stop, really, in the middle of the highway.

I'm looking.

We're gonna die.

We're not even gonna get a chance to go to.

He's like, are you serious?

Yeah.

And I was like, I think so.

Now I'm like second guessing myself, you know?

I think so.

And he said this to me.

He said, if you're telling me you're supposed to go, he goes, I have a green light.

He goes, I don't even have to pray about it.

And then I'm like, it's too easy.

You're trying to get rid of me.

And he said this.

He said, the Lord put it in my heart that, you know, you were the one to go a year ago, but I couldn't put that on you.

Yeah, you needed to hear that from God.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

That's good.

And that's how we ended up coming here.

And it's gonna be three years in the summer.

Yeah.

Oh, my goodness.

I just want to unpack this a little bit because I think this is.

If this does not apply to everybody.

Like, you know, when God tells you something that you're supposed to do, and there's the wrestle and there's the seeking wisdom, especially from your spouse, making sure you're on the same page when you've given your yes to God to go anywhere, to do anything, and he actually takes you up on that offer, you know, it's something that we've even wrestled with.

And it's like, you know, would we, Would we ever move?

Yeah.

You know, and then we set our own.

Like, well, then this would have to be.

You said all these.

You settle these, you know, these parameters in order for something to happen.

Yeah.

And you're trying to negotiate God if this happens.

Yeah.

It's so real.

And I feel that, you know, it's, it's.

It's so to put yourself in a place where you welcome disobedience within yourself.

If you then hear it and ask God, what am I supposed to do?

And he tells you, yeah, you're.

Now, you know, you know, now you're putting yourself in the place of.

You're going to disobey now that you've asked.

You've asked the question.

And so now it's like, okay.

I feel like there is a process and a time as well, because we're all human too, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

And we all need to.

Sometimes news needs to digest through us and we need to process certain news and.

And moves and stuff like that.

How was that for you guys?

How was that, you know, transition?

I know that sometimes it's easy when.

When you know it's God.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So how was that process?

Like needing to now downsize because you're moving to B.C.

and we all know B.C.

is the most expensive place on earth.

You're the same price.

You buy a house over there, you may be buying.

I'll tell you, I'll.

Tell you.

I'm talking about like that you something that you would spend maybe at least 1.6 million here.

Yeah.

Right.

Detach.

Yeah.

In, in Langley, let's say.

Right?

Yeah.

It cost me 600,000.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

I was living the dream.

Wow.

That's about a third.

It's like what people pay for like one bedroom condo.

Yeah.

You know, it was like insane.

Yeah.

But you know what I would tell you is to unpack it a little bit.

That word that the Lord gave me, which was like, you're supposed to go, really?

The Lord was giving us signs ahead of time.

He put a desire in my heart that was different.

I never wanted to be a lead pastor.

Then things started changing.

We were in such a comfortable space and there's nothing wrong with comfort.

I believe the Lord wants to be comfortable, but not spiritually.

Right, right.

And so we were such in a comfortable space.

The young adults that I had been given to pastor, being able to pastor alone, Pastor Steve and you know, having a full time salary, having the house of our dreams, you know, beautiful wife, two children.

I'm 15 minute drive from our church.

There's vision for more like everything.

My parents are, both, my wife's parents are, you know, a 20 minute drive.

My parents are there at 8 minute drive.

Like it's like perfect for kids.

It's everything.

It's amazing.

And I, I, there was one time in prayer where I, I remember telling the Lord before all of this ended up happening, I said, I don't ever want to be in a place where I'm comfortable in my Christianity.

It's a, it really is a, it's a dangerous prayer.

Yeah, yeah.

Because God will say, okay, yeah.

And then he will take you in the next phase of life or the next journey.

And that's really what happened to us.

Then the Lord started putting little things.

One of them was after three months of living in our home.

Yeah.

I have this urge to sell it.

Interesting.

It was the weirdest conversations I would have with my dad.

I told him, like, I don't know, I just bought this house.

I feel like I need to sell it.

Interesting.

And I was like, huh?

Are you trying to make money?

Like, you know, I spoke to my, yeah, yeah.

I told my Steve, I'm, I said like, I just bought the house.

I said, but I don't know why I Feel like I need to sell it.

He actually told me, and we have a great relationship.

He knows me.

He's like, are you, Oscar, don't be greedy.

Like, like you're gonna kill your wife.

Like, you just got this house.

I'm like, I don't know why it was.

God was putting little things right.

Yeah.

You know, it's time to sell.

I know.

You just got it.

Yeah.

But you also prayed a prayer, and now it's time to move.

And so I would always say, you know, like, the Lord is constantly speaking.

And you guys know this, right?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

The question is, are we.

We may be listening, but are we heading to that.

Yeah.

To what he's actually saying?

Because you mentioned too, this.

He most of the time talks in that still voice.

Yeah.

So are you actually still enough to listen?

Yeah.

Like, you know, like when.

When he was telling me to sell the house, I tried getting counsel for everybody.

Right, right.

Yet I knew in the back of my mind, God is saying, yeah, sell it now.

Yeah, sell it now.

And I'm like, maybe I'm gonna find someone that's gonna tell me this is ridiculous.

Yeah.

My dad, Pastor Steve, old friends, all of them were saying, no, but yet I couldn't sleep.

Yeah.

God was saying, I want you selling now.

Why?

Because, you know, just like hindsight, you realize that if I would have sold it when the Lord was prompting me, I would have made a good profit of money.

Okay.

That would have allowed me to come here with at least $200,000 in my pocket.

Wow.

Because of COVID and all the.

Where I had bought it and everything.

Right.

That nine month delay changed things for me financially.

Interesting.

But the Lord is.

Was still faithful.

Yes.

Thank God.

Yes.

It was just a different experience.

Yeah.

You know, it's so funny when he speaks in that way and it's like, you know, when we're at a place where you're mentioning, you know, being comfortable and he asks you to do something, it doesn't normally match up with our external circumstances.

That is something I've seen so much in my life where, you know, you're walking with God and it's an adventure, and it's an adventure walking with him.

Like, different seasons of life don't necessarily will look like what you expect them to look.

But I love that.

I love that side.

I think it keeps us on our toes.

It really does.

It grows our faith.

It grows our faith.

Yeah.

It grows our faith.

Absolutely.

It gets us out of our own head and our own comfortability where we're actually supposed to die to ourselves.

Right.

We pick up our cross every day, and we follow him wherever he goes.

And that's what.

That's what it's supposed to look like.

Right?

So absolutely.

Yeah.

I love that.

I love that There's.

There's this theme, biblical theme, of.

Of the wilderness.

And every person is put in there to.

To grow, to depend only on God.

That's where the core of fasting comes in.

Yeah.

It's so that you stop relying on the bread that you make yourself, but the bread from the word.

And so if you're not in the wilderness, you don't learn to depend on him.

You just get comfortable.

You get comfortable in your 9 to 5.

You get comfortable getting your own bread.

And so, yeah, we all need that.

We all need that.

Totally.

There's a friend of mine that the Lord has greatly blessed him.

He has the opportunity to do business and church life, like, ministry life.

And what I would tell you is of the things we.

We were having bunch of conversations.

You know, we're friends, and.

And he said it's.

He often has to put himself in that place.

He goes, I would rather put myself in the place of discomfort before God has to do it for me.

Yeah.

Wow.

Because when you go in that place, if you do it.

Yeah.

God's like, oh, great.

It's almost like, this is wonderful.

You put yourself in.

And so it.

How does that mean?

He goes, I'm constantly believing God for greater things that require his intervention in my life.

Right, right.

Not just like, oh, well, accumulated wealth and now I have leadership ability and now have influence.

No, it's.

Well, I may have all that, and that all comes from God.

Yeah.

But I still got to believe for more.

Because if I believe for more now, I'm fully dependent on him.

Right, right.

And, you know, I love that.

You know, I. I think that is a good way for us to be able to live.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So good.

That's amazing.

So then you guys are here.

What is the vision of Good News Chapel in Vancouver?

Absolutely.

So the vision.

The vision.

Obviously, we are, you know, we're.

We're one movement.

Right.

So Good News Chapel is different churches in different places.

Yeah.

One of the things that's in our hearts is to plant a church in every major city.

Okay.

Canadian city, of course.

Yeah.

We have a heart for Canada.

The pastors that are going to be pastoring these churches are, you know, have a heart for Canada.

That's.

That's what we look for.

The vision really is simple.

You Know, revival, reformation.

I've talked to people who have experienced revival.

We have had moves of God here, actually, in Langley.

Yeah.

You know, you look a couple years ago and you have stories from cla with Brent Cantelon and you have, you know, now even from there, how many other pastors have planted churches in Calgary, Winnipeg.

Yeah.

Some here, you know, like, that came out of this movement.

And there's beautiful stuff here and.

But there's another generation that needs to hear about the wonderful things that God can do.

Right.

And so when you look at the.

The state of our nation.

Yeah.

It's not perfect, but I do believe that the Lord still wants to use his church.

Yes.

You know, and use us.

And so that's what.

That.

What we're here for.

You know, we want to see another spiritual awakening.

We want to see a move of God.

Yeah.

And see many people come to salvation as much as possible.

Amazing.

Yeah.

That's so good.

Wow.

And you guys have been having revival nights every Friday.

We.

We hear.

And that.

That's one way you guys do that, right?

Yeah.

What do those look like?

So we are.

We have actually, our regular services are Friday and Sundays.

Okay.

We have Friday night services.

That's kind of like our family nights.

And.

And then Sunday we come together, celebrate that, you know, the devil got his butt kicked through the week.

And then what we're doing is of months, we're doing revival services.

Okay.

And so we ended up.

Our first one was in Calgary, actually.

That happened.

That was on a Friday and a Saturday.

We did two days.

We saw 137 people in attendance, and 37 people gave their life to Christ in Calgary.

Okay.

It was, you know, I'm a pastor, I'm not an evangelist.

It was our first one doing this just out of obedience to the Lord.

And I'm not going to lie to you.

Where I'm in the hotel room waiting to hear from the team how the night is going.

Yeah.

So I messaged them.

I said, you know, how's it looking?

I want to hear a number.

And they're like, it's good.

I'm like, if they're not giving me a number, it must not be good.

I wait about 15 minutes before going down and end up going down.

And as I'm texting them again, I'm like, hey.

So then we opened the doors.

How's it looking?

They're like, it's good, Pastor.

I'm like, oh, this can be good.

You know, my wife had me.

I had spoken to her right before going down and she.

I said, how you feeling?

I said, babe, I'm feeling great in the sense, like, I'm being obedient to the Lord.

But I said, I don't know who's going to be there.

Right.

Like, I'm not.

Like, people don't recognize me on the street.

People don't watch me on tv.

People.

You know, it's like we're just being obedient.

Right.

And then to see 130 people in attendance was supernatural for us.

That's amazing.

Our whole team, our whole church, they didn't say it because they were just going on the word that I was telling them, it's gonna be amazing.

But it was a beautiful testament to see that people are actually hungry.

Wow.

And that it doesn't matter where you go.

Yes.

If you are just obedient to God, people show up.

The last one we just had was here in our backyard, right.

Downtown Vancouver.

We did it at the Telus Science World.

I'm like, all right.

The team chose Tele Science World.

I'm like, you know, I let them really.

I release it.

They're doing a good job.

I'm like, I'll make sure I'm ready spiritually.

I'll come.

And then the registration started coming in.

I'm thinking, like, are these like a robot registration?

Like, what's happening?

You know?

And we saw 165 people come in attendance.

Wow.

Downtown Vancouver.

And we saw 37 plus 20.

We saw 64 salvations in just a few hours.

Wow.

In there.

Wow.

What surprised me the most was the same thing.

Like, nobody knows me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's not like people have heard of our church here.

There was a couple of friends that ended up coming in from Victoria.

Interesting.

They came, they took a ferry, come from Victoria.

Group of six friends.

Yeah.

The young girl that I speak to after the service, she says, I didn't even know why I was coming.

Wow.

She said, I. I just knew I had to be here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She goes.

And then when I come here, she goes, I get a phone call, tell me that my mom has some sort of cancer.

Now I know I'm here to stand in the gap for her.

Oh, wow.

And so we had people from all over coming.

And to me, it's just.

It's wonderful.

Yeah.

Because now it's like, obviously beats, like, boost your confidence that people are showing up, but at the same time, it's like, well, I'm a nobody.

Yeah.

So there's no stress.

Yeah.

I'm just a messenger from the Lord.

I'm preaching nothing to lose, you know, and then people, you know, get delivered and.

And then people start coming to church.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

You know.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

Tearing up here because, you know, obedience, like, back to obedience.

I don't.

I. I don't know about anyone else listening, but when you're following God and.

And the word that he tells you and something to do and.

And you mentioned it, and it's like, resonating for me right now that you just have no idea how it's going to turn out.

Like, you actually just don't know.

You just know that you're taking the step, but you don't.

It's like.

It's almost like you can't see past your next step that God told you to do.

And sometimes.

Sometimes he has the grace to tell you a little bit more.

But.

But in those moments, I feel like there's the greatest breakthrough.

Yeah.

When you just actually are being obedient without even knowing and like.

Like full trust falling like you actually can't even see.

But God told you to do it, and you.

You heard it.

You don't even hear the guy behind you that's about to catch you.

But God just said now.

Yeah, And.

And I feel like those have the biggest breakthroughs.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

You know, like, as you were saying, that I'm reminded of the passage of scripture that says, you know, those who are willing and obedient will lead the good of the land.

Yeah.

Most people are willing.

Yeah.

You'll find a lot of people be like, I'm willing to.

Yeah.

I'll do whatever you want me to do, Lord.

I'll go wherever you want me to go.

They're willing, but not everyone's obedient.

That's right.

And so therefore, they cannot partake of the blessing.

But when you're willing and obedient, you know, it also goes the other way around.

Most people are obedient to.

But they're not necessarily willing.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh, but, Pastor, I'm doing it.

Or Lord, I'm doing it, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

Yeah, but you're not willing.

Your heart is not willing.

You're doing it, but you're not willing.

But it's both.

Yeah, it's willing and obedience.

The same thing with my kids.

You know, honestly, the Lord's been teaching us a lot through our children.

And so, for example, like, I could tell the difference when I tell my son, go clean your room.

Right.

And he obeys, but he doesn't want to do it.

Yeah.

Yes.

There's a different attitude.

There is, yeah.

And I'm like, I go to my wife, I'm like, why can't he just be willing?

You know, it's like, it's not a bad thing.

I have a reward for him.

There's something good that I want.

And then sometimes, you know, it's like he's willing.

How?

What does that look like?

Yeah, dad, I'm going to do it in two minutes.

Let me just finish this game.

Yeah.

Just five minutes.

An hour later.

Yes.

It's not done.

You know, it's delayed obedience now, you know, and so willing and obedient.

And I think, like, if we don't over complicate things with the Lord, let's be willing, let's be obedient.

Have a smile on our face when God's asking us to do it sometimes.

A smile with tears because you're like, I don't know what's happening or you're.

Scared to do it.

Right.

Yeah, exactly.

But the Lord is faithful.

Yes, the Lord is completely faithful.

He is so faithful.

Where he sends you, He'll.

He'll provide.

Absolutely.

Provide every.

Every, every way, every door, financially, emotionally.

Yeah, he will.

Where there's a vision, there's provision.

Right?

Yeah, that's.

So that's better said.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

That's so good.

So what are you now being here?

How long have you been here?

So it's going to be three years, December 1st.

Okay.

So we're very close to our.

I'm telling our church people we're no longer a church plant.

Yeah.

Now we're considered established.

You know, after third year, number three, you're established.

You're no longer a church plan, you know, and so, yeah, December 1st is gonna be three years.

Yeah.

What's.

What's on the horizon?

Like, what do you see?

What is the Lord telling you now?

To be honest, we're in a season of asking the Lord what the next step is for us.

Right.

Like as a church, we.

From day one, we were believing for a building.

When we started with.

I remember my first Sunday here, we were 25 people in attendance.

And then the Lord started increasing the people.

This past Sunday was a great Sunday for us.

We were close to 200 people in attendance this past Sunday, which we've been seeing the increase.

Sometimes we want to see from one day to another, but there's something in that faithfulness.

And so the Lord's been bringing them.

Now we're at a spot where we're like, lord, now you really have to do something for us in regards to our building, because or else we're going to have to go to two services, you know, like.

And not that I'm opposed to that, you know, I'll do whatever God wants me to do.

But, you know, we are believing the Lord for a building.

The reason why we're doing that, it's not because it's the ultimate goal.

It's not like I even told our church people, once you have a building, it's not like you stop, like, oh, God did it.

We're the promised land this coast.

No, it's actually, there's more work.

And so we want a building just to be able to do more, you know, have more revival services, having the church open throughout the week.

You know, people don't just need to get saved on Friday and Sunday.

Like, what about during the week?

I come from a church where, you know, you would have somebody knock on the door on a regular Wednesday.

Yeah.

And off the street.

And the secretaries would lead them to Jesus.

Come on.

And the secretaries will lay hands on them.

And they would get filled with baptism of the Holy Spirit.

So good.

No, pastor, just a secretary.

Yes.

And so, like, why?

Because they're a believer, full of the Holy Spirit.

And so that's what we want, you know, an opportunity for, for people to say, like, you know, that church is open.

They'll go there.

They'll be ready to pray for you.

You know, even the secretaries are anointed.

And so that's, that's really what we're believing the Lord for.

That's kind of like the next step for us.

In the meantime.

Wow.

We don't stop being the church.

Yeah.

So we're not going to say Lord unless we have a building.

We're not going to do.

We're just doing.

Yeah, that's good.

That's amazing.

I love that.

I want to pick your brain a little bit for the practical side of things.

And, and I know you mentioned you and your wife are doing ministry together and you have four kids now.

How do you balance the family and leading a church?

What things do you guys have in place, practically, that help you succeed in that area?

I don't know if you're gonna like my question.

My answer.

I'm so curious to know, though.

But my wife and I, we, we don't necessarily look at the way of balancing, like, what everybody else looks at balancing.

And I like that.

I, I, I wanna know.

Yeah.

Cause sometimes people are like, how do you bal.

How do you approach it?

And how do you do it.

And so with us, really, we just look at it, think about it this way.

It's like I'm.

I have a couple of balls in my hands.

Yes.

Right.

Like, have you ever seen a clown and they're going like that.

Maybe I'm the clown, you know, but it's like, so you're, you're, you're like keeping things afloat.

Yes.

What we realize is that we just have to be.

Our eyes, have to be open, our ears, have to be sensitive to what needs attention in our life at whatever moment at that particular moment.

And so if my family needs attention.

Yeah.

I'm going to make sure my family gets attention.

Yes.

Yeah.

If my ministry gets.

Needs attention, I'm going to make sure it gets the attention.

And so it's constantly.

Everything.

I'm just trying to keep everything up in the air.

And so it's not like trying to.

Well, you know, from nine to five, I do ministry.

And then, like, because it doesn't work that way, you know, majority of my meetings are actually in the evening.

Right.

You know, when people finish work and they need some marriage counseling or sometimes celebrations, different things, you know.

And so we just make sure that there's whatever needs attention, we go and approach it the right way.

And so, yeah, there are times where it's like, no, there are slots in my life where there's no meetings.

My children need me.

I'm here with them for the next two days, three days, full attention, you know, to be honest.

And, and that's the way we approach it.

Because if we, if the church falls in three days, I mean, then I'm not doing my job, you know, like, I'm building it on myself, which is not.

It's building on the Lord.

That's right.

I like that.

That's the way that we approach.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's amazing.

A little bit simple, but.

No, I like that.

I'm all.

I'm always so curious to know that because we're, we're also in a space of learning that as well.

And I, I love to hear what people.

How people do it, because it's very.

It's an important thing.

Right.

And I loved how you said at the beginning the similar things that happen in your family.

You live kind of the same way, right?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

There's no distinction for us.

Oh, that's my work.

No, it's.

It's my life.

It's your life.

Right.

Everything is ministry.

Right.

The kids are part of it.

You know, at the beginning, like the first year Often times I was praying and my daughter was with me because she would run up to me because she's like, who are these people?

You know, like, she didn't know them.

And if my wife had, you know, one of our children with her, and so I would grab them and pray, minister, and that was it.

And that was a season for our lives.

And now we're in a different season now.

They're growing up, you know, now they go to Kiss Church.

You know, it's like, it's different.

That's awesome.

That's beautiful.

So good.

I love that.

Awesome.

Thank you so much for.

For sharing all this, all this wisdom and.

And transition and how to transition.

Well, yeah, it's.

It's all really, really spoken.

I don't know about you, but it's really spoken to.

To me as.

Yeah, even, like, anytime that we feel like we're in transition, it's like, you know, where do we go?

How do we set our eyes?

And is there for anyone that's listening that may be going through this phase of transition of.

Of, you know, hearing where they're going or wanting to hear the Lord on where to go, or even if the Lord has told them and they actually are struggling to get there and to start heading towards that direction, what would be something that you would tell them?

Yeah.

So, you know, honestly, the first thing that I would say is oftentimes I get this question.

I don't know about you guys.

If you ever do a podcast on, like, how to hear the voice of God, you will actually see a ton of people actually want to listen to that.

Right.

And I think that's the first step is understand that as a believer, it's our inheritance to hear from the voice from.

From the Lord.

And so, like, I approach when I seek the Lord, I'm like, I know he's going to speak to me.

And so I start with that, thank you, Lord, that I have the ability to hear your voice.

Thank you, Lord, that you said in your word that you know, my sheep know my voice and the voice of a stranger, they will not follow.

So, Lord, I know that if I'm consecrated, I know that if I'm doing what you've tell me to do, then I will hear your voice and I will move in that direction.

I think that's where.

Where it all begins, you know, having that assurance that you can hear from the Lord.

Yeah.

And he must speak to you differently than he does to me.

You know, I oftentimes meet friends and, you know, sometimes the voice of God in my life.

Sounds a little bit different than the way God speaks to you.

That's right.

You know, sometimes, like, I've had friends, I'm like, God speaks to you like he's a Hispanic father.

You know, like, people are like, it's different.

Right.

But you'll start learning how God speaks to you and then just move in that direction.

And I think when people do that.

So first starting with, like, God does speak to me.

Yeah.

I'm confident that he will today.

Why wouldn't God speak to me today?

If we say that there's fresh manna from heaven every single day of our lives, and so he speaks to us every single day.

And I think that's the first initial thing.

Once you have that, then be willing and obedient.

And I think that's when life becomes so exciting.

And what I would say is, like, in the whole process, look for where joy is.

The Bible says, you know, in his presence, there is fullness of joy.

I'm not talking about, like, you always have to be giggly and happiness.

I'm just saying joy.

And so, like.

But in his presence, fullness of joy.

And so, like, if you are, like, if you heard from the Lord, look where joy is taking you.

Yeah.

Because that means he's there.

Yeah.

His presence is there.

I tell our church people, I said, like, if you don't see me joyful at church, there's a problem.

There's something going on with me.

I'm disconnected.

Right.

But there has to be joy.

You know, when sometimes I meet.

Don't worry, I'm not going to name any names.

Pastors, you know, in the area and pastors, man.

Like, I feel for them at times because they're doing their best, you know, like.

But I tell them ministry is supposed to be enjoyable.

Yeah.

Why would God call you to something to make you miserable?

Right.

I'm not saying there are not difficulties.

Yes.

Right.

Like, we understand from Paul.

Paul was in prison, shipwrecked in all that.

He says, I can do all things.

Right.

And so there has to be an aspect of joy in whatever the next step that God's calling you to.

So that's what I would say.

Number one, know that God speaks to you.

Number two is understanding that Follow where joy is.

Yeah, yeah.

Willing and obedient.

Absolutely.

Both.

Both.

Not just one or the other.

That's right.

That's right.

That's awesome.

That's what makes a difference.

Thank you so much.

Would you be able to please pray for all those watching in regards to that sure.

Anything specifically in regards to hearing the voice of God and being willing and obedient?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Let's pray.

Yeah.

Father, we thank you again.

We thank you, heavenly Father, that we have the opportunity to come to you any time of day, any season of life.

Father, I thank you, Lord, that you said in your word, my sheep know my voice and the voice of a stranger that will not follow.

Thank you, Lord, that you also said in your word, out of Psalm 23, that David made this declaration.

He said, the Lord is good shepherd.

The Lord is my shepherd.

Father.

I thank you, Lord, that today, for each and every single person watching, that they would understand that God is not a good shepherd just to the world, but God is a good shepherd to them.

To them specifically, that was the revelation of David.

I thank you, Lord, that.

That it would be so for them Today.

I pray right now, those who are listening, whether it's on a podcast form, Whether it's on YouTube, I pray right now that they feel your presence, Lord, in a very real way.

We haven't done this podcast just to entertain.

We have done this podcast, Lord, for impartation.

And so, Father, I pray right now that as people are listening to today's podcast, they feel the presence of God leading them even now, oh heavenly Father, and Lord, that they get more familiar with your voice and your presence.

I pray, oh Lord, that their ears would always be attentive, that their eyes would always be open to the next thing that you have for them.

And I pray, oh heavenly Father, may they be found faithful.

Faithful, even as we know the day of the Lord is approaching.

Yes, we love you Lord, very much.

In Jesus name we pray.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Thank you so much for joining us today and sharing all your wisdom with us.

Thank you guys for.

This was awesome.

You guys are amazing.

Yeah, thank you.

Joyful.

Come on.

Praise God.

And so thank you for the opportunity.

Thank you.

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