This is the podcast for alpaca people!

In this episode, we revisit episode 241 from three years ago. Craig Constantine, a good friend from the US, called in to visit and met the alpacas.

Craig has been busy travelling in Newfoundland this summer and discusses it with another friend of ours, Christi Cassidy, on her podcast Moving Along. You can also find him and his work on his website, which includes his own Movers Mindset podcast.

Hope you enjoy the revisit, or catching it for the first time.

Thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoyed it.

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Alpaca Tribe is hosted and produced by Steve Heatherington of Waterside Voices.

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Hi, Steve here. And, well, I'm hesitating. Two reasons. Um,

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this is a slightly different one. I'm doing a revisit of a

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previous episode, so I'm going to do the introduction bit that

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I normally do in the other episode. So I didn't want to

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repeat that, so welcome anyway. And the other reason for

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hesitating there was I just looked out the window. There's

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an alpaca crashed out in the grass, but it is sunny, so, and

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it's cool wind and stuff that's happening as well. It's a little

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bit more sensible, normal temperatures. It's not really

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hot at the moment. And so it's, uh, I'm pretty sure I know who

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it is and that she's sunbathing. She, she fooled me the other day.

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She was crashed out in, down by the stable, but flat out like

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this, and she looked worryingly prone. You know, I'm just

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thinking, have we got another dead alpaca on our hands? No, no,

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don't do this. But it was all right. She was only sunbathing.

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She got very offended. "What? What? I'm, I'm only, I'm

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enjoying the sun. What are you doing?" Rushing to me like that.

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So I'm not going to rush over there. But, oh, there's another

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one crashed out now as well. As a black one, as well as the

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white one. Oh dear. So I'm now much more relaxed because I do

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know that they're sunbathing. Ummm, I think.

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Oh, these animals, they don't keep you on your toes. Anyway,

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this is a revisit of an amazing, um, conversation and visit that

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we had from, from Craig. Craig, a good friend from, uh, the

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United States. Hey, Craig, if you're listening, I'll tell you

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about it so you will. So, Craig reminded me by email the other

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day that, uh, it was three years since he was here and we

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recorded the episode. So it's a quick revisit. I hope that's

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okay. And I hope you enjoy. And, uh, there'll be some links to,

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for recent activity. Um, Craig's recently done a, an amazing trip

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in Newfoundland. Newfoundland. You can tell I'm a Brit. How do

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I, how do you say this word? Newfoundland. Newfoundland, new,

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oh, you know where the place is. It's cold normally, but it

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wasn't when they were there because it's the right time of

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year for traveling. So, um, he did a podcast episode talking

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about that. And there's also some other links for his own

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podcasts as well. So I know Craig of old from when we

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learned to podcast together. So hope you enjoy the episode and

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catch you again soon. Take care. Bye for now.

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Hi,

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Hi, Steve here, and welcome to the podcast for

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alpaca people. It's great to see you again. And this week we have

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a special guest. You know, we had a visitor that came to see

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the alpacas. Well, came to see us as well. So, uh, let me

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introduce you.

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Here's my friend, Craig. Hello, I'm Craig Constantine.

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Thanks for having me. And where are you from? Cause people, I

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know, but my mom and dad met, no, I'm Uh, so I'm from Eastern

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Pennsylvania, about hour and a half west from New York City,

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all the way over from the States. And I was in London for

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something else. I was visiting friends, playing in London. And

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I thought, I wonder if Steve would like to have a crash

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visitor. Yeah.

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So we, we know each other from podcasting. Um, and that

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goes way back and we're just trying to work it out. It's

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about four years or more. Um, wow. So

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So we've, we've seen each other a lot. But, but only in

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the little squares. So it's like, oh, there's actually more to

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Steve than just the part that goes. It's got legs.

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Yeah. So it's, it's been, uh, it's been great. It's been

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great to have you here, to have you, um, meet us, meet the

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family and also meet the alpacas. Um, and this is your first time

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you haven't met alpacas before. Yeah.

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We, we kind of talked about this and I don't think I

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had ever seen, I mean, maybe as a kid in a petting zoo, but

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certainly never been on like the spitting side of the fence. Now,

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to be fair, you haven't actually been spat at. No, I, I was

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warned, but like, do not stand directly in front of them and

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stare directly into their eyes, which doesn't sound wise without

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warning.

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Yeah. Millie, Millie was standing in, I was a little bit,

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it was right near the end of the, the time down in the stable this

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afternoon. And Millie was standing kind of behind us and

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Craig turned around and was, I'm not even sure he was looking at

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Millie, but Millie was starting to, there was just a little

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bristle. And I'm just thinking, Oh, behave yourself. She, she

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did. So that was okay. But, But, um, yeah, so we, we spent some

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time, we'd done mucking, mucking out and feeding and various

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things. Uh, and today we did some other stuff. We, we didn't

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fall off the roof, but we did clamber on the roof. Do you

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remember I mentioned to you that we had a tree down and it was

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down on the roof? And so I thought, I know, let's, let's,

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let's, let's have the houseguest. Let's have the houseguest. He's

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here for a reason. So we actually went for that and, uh,

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we managed to get it all cleared off. We didn't do, I don't think

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we did any more damage to the roof.

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No, that was the miracle part. I thought for sure it was

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going to like go through the back of the building.

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Yeah. I don't think we did any serious damage to

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ourselves either. So that's gotta be a win. Um, yeah. So

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we've had an interesting few days and the weather's great

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because Craig always brings good weather with him and it is

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unseasoned. No, it's not unseasonally, but for what we've

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been having, the weather has just been amazing. So that's,

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that's been good. But I'm, I'm sorry, I'm leaving tomorrow.

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So you're going to get rained on on Friday.

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We've, we've got the, the thunderstorm. Seriously, Friday,

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we have thunderstorm warnings. So Craig's gone and the

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thunderstorm comes. I just, you know, there you go. So we've

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been, um, spending a bit of time going and feeding the alpacas.

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And I've been doing that thing that I do, which is talking

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about the alpacas all the time and telling the stories about

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the, the different animals. We spent quite a while this

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afternoon standing around and that was quite interesting, uh,

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meeting the different

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It was the longest that we stood like around them. Like

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we were probably standing in the, what do you call it? The feeding

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pen or the bar. Yeah, around the, around the stable. Standing

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around the stable for at least 45 minutes. We were just

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literally standing in the doorways. And it was interesting

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to see, I felt like the, the girl's attitudes changed. At

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first it was like, hmm, not sure what's going on And then it

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became like, okay. And then after a while it was like, um,

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are you guys going to leave soon?

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Like we've got things to do. We're alpacas. But, but they

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did actually settle down and there was a whole bunch of them

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sat down inside.

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But that was neat to see, um, I forget which one laid down,

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but we had this, I had this discussion, like, do they sleep

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standing up? How do they sleep? And he said, oh, they, he's

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explaining the posture. And then one of them did it and actually

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dozed off.

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Alice, Alice, she wrote, she did. She dozed off. We had

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regular visits. Tabitha kept coming back, but also Olwenna,

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which was interesting. So that's, uh, Ellie's daughter. And she

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regularly came back and had a little sniff and, and, and check

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out. But she didn't, didn't really want to be touched. She

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kind of was happy to be close. I was really strange. But as soon

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as we, we went over that line and I think, Craig, I think you,

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you, you actually had a hand over her head and she was okay.

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I was like, well, I had my hand directly over her head.

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And like the instant I tickled the hair, she was like, nope,

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moved away. But she just moves away.

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She didn't spit out. Thank you. Thank you. It's

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nothing worse than having guests come and see the alpacas and the

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alpacas spit at them. And, and all those things that people

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believe about alpacas is, is, is apparently proved to be true.

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But you have to work hard at making them spit. I keep saying

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it's generally true. They were were different. It was, was

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interesting. The first time we went down, they knew that Craig

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was here as a guest, as a visitor, that they hadn't seen

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before. There was a, there's no way you would ever confuse the

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two of us. No, that's before we speak. And it was, it was okay,

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but they were just a little bit, okay, we got someone we hadn't

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met before. But they, they pretty quickly adjust and get

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used to things and people, particularly when, when they

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work out that they can trust you.

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I think also the fact that the very first thing you

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did was hand me a bucket of feed. And then say, go pour this feed

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in the trough. And the girls were like, well, I don't know,

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you got two legs and you got food. You're good.

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Yeah, true. So we, we had the, the upper feeding and the

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lower feeding. So I, I fed the girls that stayed down at the

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stable and gave a bucket of, uh, a feed to, to Craig to go off

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and feed them on the, on the upper level. Mind you, was it

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today? I can't remember which day it was now, but they didn't

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go up and have the food. I think it was this morning. They didn't

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actually go up and have the food. A few of them did, but not, not

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everyone. So come the afternoon, there was still some food. And,

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and the wise ones, the crafty ones, shall we say? Remember to

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check, right? They went off and, and they had, they had extras.

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So, but they, they, the, the ability to move food around with,

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with two bags at a time, because I've got two shoulders, mine and

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Craig's, which is good. Uh, and also move the other stuff around,

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do the, the heavier stuff that you just need. There are times,

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I don't know whether you've noticed it with your, your farm,

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your herd. There are times when you need another pair of hands

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and there are some jobs that really just, they are two person

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jobs. And, uh, you can kind of, if you have to, you can kind of

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get away with But there are jobs that are, that are easier. Um,

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Um, so we, we had a little look, but we didn't do any, any active

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work with the alpacas. There are no, nothing. Famous last words.

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There was nothing today to be sorted out. But of course we

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know that we don't know what tomorrow brings, but we shall,

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we shall see. But it's, it's still sunny tomorrow because

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Craig's still here. My strategy is to not get kicked so far. So,

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yeah. You did have a threatened.

Craig: 00:09:47

Yeah. One of, I don't know them all by name, but one

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of the black ones was eating and I'm, I'm like, I need to go by

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here with this bucket of food. And as I went by, I could tell

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that she was looking at me and I just got like a, a little

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twitchy leg, like just a suggestion of, you know, this is

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a ball joint. And it, and it, and it does go that way if you

Craig: 00:10:05

don't get out of my hair. Yeah, Yeah. Well, you got off lightly.

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That's Alwyn.

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And she, she, she regularly kicks me. And it's

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just because who got closest? I don't know whether it was me

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that I got close to her or she got close to me, but we went and

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ended up too close to each other. And she just gets a bit kind of,

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oh, and, and kicks out. Just, it's a bit, it's a bit kind of,

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it's not a serious kick. It's just a token, but it's a, it's a,

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it's an expression of, I'm not quite happy. Personal space.

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Personal space. Personal space. They, they are animals that,

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that do like to social distance. Um, and, and actually you were

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very good having not met them before to, to resist the urge to,

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to keep reaching out and trying to, to touch them. And they just

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know that, that two arms length and it works really well. And

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given a little bit of space and a bit of time, they're relaxing

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to

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By the end of today, as we were standing down there,

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they were, there were many of them who were well within one

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arm's length of me. And they're just like standing there. You

Craig: 00:11:04

don't, don't keep grabbing them. Yeah. That's the thing. I don't

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think I grabbed one of them once. Like I was just like, little

Craig: 00:11:09

touch. Yeah. I don't think they're going to pet.

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Like these aren't pets. No, they are different,

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different kinds of animals. Um, so was there anything that stood

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out when you kind of were around them that you, you hadn't

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expected?

Craig: 00:11:21

Oh, well the, the most obvious thing is it's really

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different to be standing next to an animal that's basically at

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eye level. So I'm, I'm a five 11. So I'm maybe like five nine at

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the eyes. So the alpaca isn't that tall, but it like, it's

Craig: 00:11:36

basically looking right at me. Yeah. And then I get fascinated.

Craig: 00:11:39

I'm like, you know, your irises are really, and I begin to lean

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in and I'm like, no Craig, lean out, look away. But you can

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really, like, yeah. Particularly her wearing her actually.

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Cause she's the big brown one. She's pretty tall. Her eyes,

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she isn't, but, but her eyes as well. Um, she's got, she's a

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brown, uh, in terms of fleece color, but her eyes have a, have

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a detail in them. It's one of those things, you know, you're

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looking out the window and you go, no, no, I'm concentrating on

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the podcast, but there's a fox just going through the field.

Steve: 00:12:07

Don't look. It's heading for the geese. Yeah. The geese are kind

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of, I don't know what it's up to. We saw three of them yesterday.

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Um, they were just mooching around and chased each other. I

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think at the moment, two, two youngsters, but Yeah, yeah, no,

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you shouldn't be in that one. The alpacas are not there at the

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moment. So that's how they can get away with it. Hmm. They're

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lovely animals, but hey, not here, please. And stay away from

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our geese. And I can't remember, did I tell, I can't remember

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when that happened now. Did I tell you, um, that we lost one

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of the, the youngsters? That was a shame. Uh, so we've, we've,

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we've got two, two younger ones. I mean, they're quite big now

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and the colors are all coming through. So the feathers are

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growing and they've been flapping their wings. Hmm.

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That's still a few weeks away from flying off, but that'll

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come. What else we heard? We, we've heard some of the, um, the

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other birds. We saw some small kites. No, we have the kites.

Steve: 00:13:00

That's right. That'll do. We had kites and we had buzzards.

Steve: 00:13:04

That's pretty good. That was exactly the word we needed.

Steve: 00:13:07

That's right. Um, but it was also the, uh, small grebes, the

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little grebes. Little grebes. That's the word I was looking

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for.

Craig: 00:13:12

Part of the problem is I don't know any of the far or,

Craig: 00:13:15

the first thing I said was, is there anything in the weeds that

Craig: 00:13:18

I can step on that'll kill me?

Craig: 00:13:22

No. And the next thing was, oh, stinging nettles. I haven't seen

Craig: 00:13:25

these in ages, you know?

Steve: 00:13:26

Yeah. They won't kill you, but it doesn't have, no, it'd

Steve: 00:13:29

make you uncomfortable. So, yeah. No, so we, the, the birds around,

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we, things, yeah, I don't know. I, I don't know. I, I, we

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haven't seen any sign of this, this third youngster, um, but I

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think it's probable that the fox had it, um, which is sad, but

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it's also natural and part of what goes on. Um, the other

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thing I, I, I'm kind of aware of, the thing about the alpacas,

Steve: 00:13:55

well, the alpacas are here, um, and I think they think it's

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their valley and the, the geese are here and I think they think

Steve: 00:14:02

it's their valley. Um, and according to the title deeds,

Steve: 00:14:05

they, the land registry think that it belongs to us, but I'm

Steve: 00:14:09

not sure. I thought you were going to say the bank. There's,

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yeah, so, so it's, it's a bit of a challenge to, to, to kind of

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manage the land and manage the interactions with the wildlife

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particularly, um, and, and with the alpacas and and recognize

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that while notionally you might kind of feel like you own this

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thing, this, these things here, actually most of it, Uh, it's on

Steve: 00:14:34

borrowed. Uh, yeah, really just a steward, which I thought was

Steve: 00:14:38

interesting. Yeah. So there's plenty to do. That's, that's why

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one of the downsides of having Craig here, that there are not

Steve: 00:14:46

many downsides, but one downside of having Craig here was that,

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that I became much more sensitive, much more aware of

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the stuff that was around that needed to be done that hasn't

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been

Craig: 00:14:56

Sorry. Was my face that obvious when you opened the

Craig: 00:14:59

garage door?

Steve: 00:14:59

Oh, I know. Oh, really? That's an interesting garage.

Steve: 00:15:02

Yes. There's all kinds of stuff that needs to be addressed and

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sorted out and it's getting, getting time to get to

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everything and having some cash to.

Craig: 00:15:11

But I think there's also the, um, the idea of everything

Craig: 00:15:14

is, um, organic, not like, um, not chemically modified. I mean

Craig: 00:15:19

like organic, like it just grows that way. So, uh, where do we

Craig: 00:15:22

keep the feed? Well, that's in the place that happens to make

Craig: 00:15:25

sense. And I was like, why do you have metal trash cans turned

Craig: 00:15:28

over the plastic tubs that, oh, has to do with rodents? So it,

Craig: 00:15:32

it's not that things have to not be messy. It's everything has to

Craig: 00:15:35

have a place and everything is in its place. And that's, that's

Craig: 00:15:38

where, that's how it is. Yeah.

Steve: 00:15:41

I, and, and also you were very good, but there were things

Steve: 00:15:46

I'm going, I, I do this and do it this way, do it, is, why do I

Steve: 00:15:51

do that? Why is that, is that the best way to do it? So, so

Steve: 00:15:55

Craig unintentionally, completely unintentionally, he

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wasn't judging or, or criticizing at all, but I, it

Steve: 00:16:01

just made me very aware of everything I was doing and

Steve: 00:16:04

thinking, is this the best way to do it? And you know, when we,

Steve: 00:16:06

we're doing things around the farm and we're just sweeping

Steve: 00:16:09

things, just brushing, just where do you stand the shovel?

Steve: 00:16:14

And, uh, I have a fight with, with various people who the, the

Steve: 00:16:18

model is that you don't stand a shovel against a wall because

Steve: 00:16:21

you're going to stand on it and it's going to flip at you. It's

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going to jump at you because you stand as you stand on it. Um,

Steve: 00:16:26

but, but my shovel doesn't do that because I stand it in a

Steve: 00:16:28

particular way. It's not shaped that way, right? Yeah. And push

Steve: 00:16:30

it against the wall enough. Then if I stand on it, it just

Steve: 00:16:33

pressures it against the wall. It doesn't make it, the handle

Steve: 00:16:35

flip out at me. Um, like a rake or, you know, the classic rake

Steve: 00:16:39

on the grass that you stand on. Um, so there, there are things

Steve: 00:16:42

that you need to do your way and you need to work out what works

Steve: 00:16:45

for you. Um, can't help you with that. Um, I can, well, I can

Steve: 00:16:49

tell you what I do, but you can have to work it out for yourself

Steve: 00:16:52

as to, to what works for your alpacas, what works for you and

Steve: 00:16:55

your farm. And, uh, now and again, it's good to have a

Steve: 00:16:59

visitor to, to put you on your toes and make you see things in

Steve: 00:17:03

a slightly different light or a different perspective. Um, Um,

Steve: 00:17:06

so it's, it's been, been really good having you for these few

Steve: 00:17:10

days and they've been long days. No, no, no.

Craig: 00:17:13

Hey, hey, ouch. That's not nice.

Steve: 00:17:14

No, no, I didn't mean that. No, no, you misunderstood

Steve: 00:17:17

my English. Um, what I was trying to say was, uh, what was

Steve: 00:17:23

I trying to say? I don't know that I want to say that after

Steve: 00:17:25

all. No, but no, it's been really good having you. And, um,

Steve: 00:17:29

the days have been full. That's what I was trying to say. Not

Steve: 00:17:32

that they've been long. Yeah, we had, we had a great day down at,

Steve: 00:17:34

uh, Rusty. Thank you. Cause I'm like, oh no. We went down to the

Steve: 00:17:38

bay to, on the, on the Gower. Uh, look at it on the map. I'll put

Steve: 00:17:41

a link in the show notes. Wormshead. Wormshead. Absolutely.

Steve: 00:17:45

Yeah. And, and what did we have? We had all, we had a, we had a

Steve: 00:17:48

sandwich and stuff there.

Craig: 00:17:49

And then we went to mushrooms. Yeah. And then we

Craig: 00:17:52

went to, uh, I don't know. We, we, we, we, we went to mumbles.

Steve: 00:17:57

I think that's a really funny joke, but it's difficult

Steve: 00:18:00

to do it in audio without you going, what happened there? Did,

Steve: 00:18:03

why didn't I not hear that word? Mumbles is the name of a place

Steve: 00:18:07

and mumbles is just what Craig did. So I just explained the

Steve: 00:18:10

joke and I've just killed it. I'm sorry. But we went and we

Steve: 00:18:12

found Joe's ice cream. Everything else is just ice

Steve: 00:18:15

cream. And it really was tasty. We sat on the wall, uh, of

Steve: 00:18:19

Swansea Bay looking at the sea, which was nowhere near us.

Craig: 00:18:22

Looking at the dry, muddy bed where the sea would normally

Craig: 00:18:25

be.

Steve: 00:18:25

But, but, but Craig, well, I couldn't, couldn't oblige. He

Steve: 00:18:29

wanted to see the ocean. Uh, but I saw the ocean from, uh,

Steve: 00:18:33

Wormshead from the. Is that the ocean over there?

Craig: 00:18:35

Yeah. Well, in that direction would be like. I

Craig: 00:18:38

suppose. Yeah. I don't know either Africa, North America, or

Craig: 00:18:41

Antarctica. That's the Atlantic.

Steve: 00:18:42

Okay. So we'll call that the ocean. That's fine. Cause,

Steve: 00:18:44

cause I was trying to explain that we only have sea. Cause we

Steve: 00:18:48

have seas around the UK, but the ocean is the big stuff that is

Steve: 00:18:53

over there. Anyway, but it was good to get there and, and, uh,

Steve: 00:18:56

see it. And of course the weather was gorgeous. Right. I

Steve: 00:18:59

know. Just come to that again. We're going to miss you. We're

Steve: 00:19:02

really going to miss you.

Craig: 00:19:03

Otherwise the grass dies. I need to leave at some point.

Steve: 00:19:05

Oh, this is true. It's green because it rains. So, yeah.

Steve: 00:19:11

So next week. Hmm. Don't know. We've got something else to come.

Steve: 00:19:17

The weather's going to change again cause Craig's going and,

Steve: 00:19:21

uh, we'll carry on. I've got some bits and pieces to do with

Steve: 00:19:23

the girls. Uh, there's a few little, um, fringes need a bit

Steve: 00:19:28

of trimming. So we'll get the, the thing. I'm going to, I think

Steve: 00:19:31

that's going to be a two person job as well. So I'll get Sue to

Steve: 00:19:33

come down and help me. And Sue's been doing a lot of work.

Steve: 00:19:35

There's a lot of mounds. I'll tell you. These are serious

Steve: 00:19:38

mounds. Mounds of fiber that's been washed and dried and it's

Steve: 00:19:43

fluffed up. And she's been doing all the sorting and opening it

Steve: 00:19:45

up and then processing it, doing the, the felting, uh, various

Steve: 00:19:51

different things. So we've got some bubble wrap that isn't

Steve: 00:19:53

bubble wrap it's international, uh, packaging something. I don't

Steve: 00:19:59

know what you'd call it, but it's kind of bubble wrap, but

Steve: 00:20:01

it's, it hasn't, the bubbles aren't very big. Um, so that's

Steve: 00:20:04

an interesting one. We tried some other bits and pieces and

Steve: 00:20:06

it's all good learning and when it doesn't work, it's so

Steve: 00:20:10

frustrating cause you spent a lot of time proving that this

Steve: 00:20:13

thing wasn't the right way to do it. So we shall, we shall see

Steve: 00:20:17

where we go with with all that. So, so soon come down and help

Steve: 00:20:21

me do this in fringes and we'll do some other bits and pieces.

Steve: 00:20:23

Cool.

Craig: 00:20:23

So I have to, I have to catch a train tomorrow. I'm not

Craig: 00:20:25

sure what time, but I don't know how I'm going to get one of the

Craig: 00:20:27

alpaca in my suitcase, but I'll pack in my bags. Oh, I was not

Craig: 00:20:33

going there. I was not going there.

Steve: 00:20:34

I promise I was not going there. Yeah. No, when we have

Steve: 00:20:39

people come and visit with cars, we always have to check the

Steve: 00:20:41

boots before the trunks, uh, before they leave.

Craig: 00:20:44

I'm wondering like, is the immigration service going to

Craig: 00:20:47

ask me, have you been on a farm? Cause I'm, I'm, I'm going to

Craig: 00:20:50

straight up totally lie. No, cause I'm leaving from London.

Craig: 00:20:54

They'll never figure it out. That's true.

Steve: 00:20:56

Yeah. Yeah. So thanks for being here. If you can, if you

Steve: 00:21:00

can go spend some time with your alpacas And and, uh, don't get

Steve: 00:21:04

sunburnt. If Craig's around and the weather's good, um, I'm not

Steve: 00:21:09

sure it's going to last very much. It is, it is going to

Steve: 00:21:11

change. I just can't believe that he's going in the, the

Steve: 00:21:13

weather's going to change. So if you can, go spend some time with

Steve: 00:21:15

your outpackers and take care. See you again soon.

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This is the Alpaca Tribe, and I'm Steve Hetherington.

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Have a great day.