"This podcast is a note to myself and a love letter to anyone else who has had on their to-do list 'make a bloody podcast'." Buckers

Welcome along to our first ever episode! If you’ve been willing yourself to JUST MAKE THE BLOODY PODCAST for longer than you care to admit, you’ve found the right podcast to help you *actually* do it.

Hi from me, Buckers (producer of podcasts for everyone other than myself - until now!) and my long-time school pal and avid podcast listener Katie - we're new round here and we've got a lot to say (and learn!) so prepare yourself for the ultimate* podcasting podcast.

*bold of us.

This episode is Part 1 of what we’re referring to as ‘The Pilot’ (because that makes it sound like an edgy new comedy which makes us feel cool and relevant). The first thing to say about this episode is that what should have been a tidy, concise introduction to the podcast and it's hosts inevitably turned into a hefty 2 hour recording sesh (Katie genuinely lost her voice by the end).

Luckily for us though, the entire premise of Just Make The Bloody Podcast hangs its hat on starting scrappy and figuring it out later, so we decided to split it into 2 episodes, and here we are with part 1. Bish bash bosh.

In this episode

As well as getting acquainted with us (how do you do, lovely weather we're having etc) you’ll be finding out all of this too:

• What this podcast is actually going to be about (probably)
• Why it can be tough to get a podcast off the ground (even when you REALLY want to)
• The barriers and challenges around visibility *shudder* in general
• Why we believe there is no single ‘right way’ to make a successful podcast
• The unexpected opportunities, friendships and communities that can come from podcasting
• How we're making this podcast the ultimate guinea pig - a big ol' visible (and, well, audible) experiment in learning out loud (so we can pass that learning on to you!)
• the nitty gritty of making a podcast and what we're looking forward to probing our fellow podcaster guests about.
• Tapas* (specifically patatas bravas)

*may or may not be entirely relevant to podcasting but we can do whatever we want so you may as well get on board :)

That's it. Those are the show notes. Thankyou for being here, and enjoy!

Buckers & Katie x

Tech Set Up

How this episode was recorded:

• Intro & Outro: recorded on my phone*, sitting in my car parked on the drive like a weirdo
• Main episode: recorded in Riverside (Buckers: USB dynamic mic, Katie: Laptop mic, enhanced in Riverside)

*at 10pm the night before this episode was published #lastminutelucy

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>> Katie: Do you want to like, go into like, m. The kind of

personal, not like super personal, but like your

life, your background kind of stuff? Or do you

want to keep it more like, um, current and like,

what, what you're doing now? Like, good question.

>> Buckers: Oh, it would actually help if I was actually on my

mic, wouldn't it? My mic's all the way over there

>> Katie: asking questions and if you're like m. Nah, that's

not the vibe. Then just say that. Ah. And that's

fine.

>> Buckers: I think my answer to that is I think we should

just go in. Yeah, just start talking and then see

what happens. Yeah, just start talking and see

what happens. That, um. And yeah, probably in the

name of visibility, there should be a little bit

of background, but I don't really know what my

background is. Maybe you can tell me what my

background is. Maybe, maybe I'll ask you about my

background.

>> Katie: This is your life.

>> Buckers: Uh, and then you can hand back to me for like a

little cool, like little fun quip at the end and

then we'll. We'll press stop.

>> Katie: Is this correct?

>> Buckers: Could you make me sound interesting? Like a person

with depth but not too heavy. You know, like, not

too. Like you wouldn't be nervous to spend like a

considerable amount of time with me in case I get

too deep, but also I'm not so surface level that

I'm insufferable. If you could make me sound like

that, not like that would be grand.

>> Katie: Let's record a therapy session. But like, just.

No, let's have a convo.

>> Buckers: Yeah.

>> Katie: Okay.

So do you want to start with doing like a little,

um, kind of trailery thing or do you want to wait

until the um, end.

>> Buckers: Like maybe we should do both. Maybe we should do

like a like gun to your head. If you had to tell

everyone what your podcast was about in like a

minute, what are you gonna say? And then if

there's anything, um, else

>> Katie: to add at the end.

>> Buckers: Yeah, on the proviso that that will probably be

garbage. Um, not like warmed. I'm not loosey

goosey warm yet. Or maybe I am. Maybe this is warm

as I get.

>> Katie: This is the loosing and the goosing. Yeah.

>> Buckers: Basically my. My attempts to record trailer so far

have all started with the intention of I'm just

gonna be off the cuff.

>> Katie: Mhm.

>> Buckers: And I'm not gonna have a script and I'm going to

be myself. And it all starts off fine until I

start questioning who is myself. What does being

myself look and sound like? Who am I?

>> Katie: Just really getting into the like, existential...

>> Buckers: then the trailer really gets. Yeah, it really

takes on a different tone. It stops being a

trailer and starts being like a verbal journal.

>> Katie: You just.

>> Buckers: And then I keep saying like, oh, I'm just. It's

just gonna be, you know, it's. It doesn't have to

be really defined from the outset. Like, we're

just gonna learn together. We're just gonna like,

see where it goes.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: But then I think, does that make it sound super

vague and like it has no direction? Because it is

not that, like, it. I know what direction I'm

going in. I just, I want the tone to be, you know,

come along for the ride. And it's, um, not gonna

be like three things, like the three top things or

the 10 top things that you're gonna learn about

podcasting in. In like one episode or whatever.

>> Katie: It's not that.

>> Buckers: It's not like, it's not gonna be like a. Listening

to a blog post about how to do a podcast.

>> Katie: Mhm.

>> Buckers: So that's where I've like got a

>> Katie: bit like, it's just putting all of those things

into snip snaps. Snappy.

>> Buckers: Snip snaps.

>> Katie: Snip snaps.

>> Buckers: Exactly that. Exactly, exactly. It's the snip

snaps.

>> Katie: Yeah. Okay. Well, I think once, um, I guess

through the whole thing, you'll kind of muddle

together, cobble together enough information that

is cobbled together.

>> Buckers: The best I could hope for is that cobbling

together.

>> Katie: Who doesn't love cobbling together?

>> Katie: We're just gonna cobble together the snip snaps.

>> Buckers: Welcome to the podcast. Here's some cobbled

together snip snaps. All jokes aside, I like snip

snaps.

>> Katie: We like snip snaps.

>> Buckers: Can we bring that into something? A feature, if

you will.

>> Katie: Snip snaps.

>> Buckers: Yeah, maybe that's what the trailer needs to be

the snip snaps of what? Just make the bloody,

bloody, bloody, bloody podcast blobby. Do I need

to be able to say the title of my podcast to be

able to. It's hard to say quick, isn't it? If I'm

saying that to guests.

>> Katie: Hello.

>> Buckers: Welcome to just. Welcome to Just make the real

life podcast.

>> Buckers: It's gonna be blah, blah.

>> Katie: What would be the shortened

>> Buckers: gmtbp?

>> Katie: Nope.

>> Buckers: Welcome to the bloody podcast. That is like,

that's the epitome of my, uh, like, frustration

around how long it's taken me to do this. It's

literally the title of this podcast is literally

what I have on my to do list. Just make the bloody

podcast.

>> Katie: There you go.

>> Buckers: Just make it for, uh, goodness sake.

>> Katie: For goodness sake yourself.

>> Buckers: Me. For goodness sake self. What are you playing

at?

>> Katie: Uh, okay.

>> Buckers: Uh, yeah, because basically it's taken me. I'm in

my sixth year of being a podcast producer. Uh,

that is what I do. That is what I do for a living,

and I'm only just doing my own.

>> Katie: But when you're making everybody else's podcast,

you get consumed with their podcasts.

>> Buckers: Yes. I told myself that lie for a good three years

and it was okay for probably one of them. Um, and

now it's time to slap myself in the face with

reality. The reality of visibility, the necessity

of visibility. Yeah, well, why don't you just say

why? Why don't you just ask me what's the podcast

about and see if I come up with a trailer.

>> Katie: Yeah. Also before we do that. Yes. Are we going

with Annabelle? Are we going with Buckers? Are we

going with producer Buckers? Are we going with a

mixture of all of the above when I'm referring to

you?

>> Buckers: Yeah. Buckers is who I am in the business.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: But I reckon the odd Annabelle from you will

probably slip out from time to time.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: How embarrassing for you. Keep your Annabelle

contained, woman. So, like, I will probably. We,

we can probably get into that in an intro, can't

we?

>> Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Buckers: We're. We're like long time. Do we call ourselves

long time friends? Long term friends. Yeah, old

friends.

>> Katie: Old friends.

>> Buckers: Um, but yeah, I will. In all of the podcast, like

branding and like admitts. Uh, why does it do

that? Why does it do that at the most literal,

boring moment? And how do I get it to go back? Go

back, go back, go back.

>> Katie: This is going to be my favourite.

>> Buckers: Oh, I'm going to say something, uh, really

important. Nothing.

>> Katie: Oh, this is going to be my favourite feature of

the podcast

>> Buckers: administration. No, uh,

>> Buckers: Oh, God, no subscriptions.

>> Katie: I'd love it if it just kept going, like, zoomier

and zoomier.

>> Buckers: Okay, go back. This is the thing. It's. It's

distracting but funny. Uh, just gonna have to warn

people that that happens.

>> Katie: Yeah. Last time you were doing this.

>> Buckers: No, it was having me on

>> Buckers: go back. Oh, okay.

>> Buckers: Yeah.

So in all of the podcast admin, it will be

Buckers.

>> Katie: Okay, we'll. We'll start off with Buckers then.

>> Buckers: But there are. I do. I have some clients that. I'd

say half of my clients call me Buckers and half

call me Annabelle.

>> Katie: Right.

>> Buckers: So there probably will be people that. Or, uh,

people just call me whatever they want.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: As long as it's vaguely Somewhere along the line.

Yeah.

>> Katie: Okay. Yeah, well, we can get, we can, we can jump

in then, can't we? With. Yeah, with bookers. Yeah.

>> Buckers: And it sounds nice when you say it.

>> Katie: Ah, fuckers.

>> Buckers: Bookers.

>> Katie: Bookers.

>> Buckers: Like northern twang.

>> Katie: Bookers.

>> Buckers: Get your, get your northern twang out.

M on my podcast

>> Katie: and we explain to everybody that I'm not from the

north.

>> Buckers: Uh, you are now, though, honest.

>> Katie: I've been up here for. It'll be 17 years this

year. Yeah. And I lived down south for 18 years.

>> Buckers: So you've done half and half.

>> Katie: Wow. Mad. Anyway, we'll get started.

So Buckers, what is the podcast about?

>> Buckers: Well, Katie and dear listener, thank you for

joining us. This podcast is a. It's a note to

myself and a love letter to anyone else who has

had on their to do list make a bloody podcast. So

I have been, I've been producing podcasts for

other people for almost six years and willing

myself to do my own for probably five of those

years and hiding behind the fact that I'm far too

busy making them for anybody else for me to have

time to make my own. But really it's because I

scared

>> Katie: a

>> Buckers: little bit scared of doing it. Um, which is, it's

ridiculous because that is, that is what I get

from every single. Well, not every single person,

but that's what I get from a lot of people that we

work with is the reason they've put it off is a

lack of confidence, a lack of knowledge, not

knowing where to start, it all feeling a bit kind

of like nerve wracking, especially to begin with,

like fairly soon after Covid and during COVID

times anyway, I've realised that if I'm going to

dish out advice and guidance to other people and

will people to be visible and that they have

something special to share, then I have to take

that on myself, which is dreadful. Uh, so, uh,

what should, what can we do? What can we say? What

do people want to know from these things? They

want to know what to expect from the podcast,

don't they? So this is going to be a bit loosey

goosey to begin with, but that does not mean it's

directionless, just means that we're just, we're

going on the journey in the open to define exactly

what this is going to be, but loosely what I can

tell you is it's going to involve conversations

with, with various people who have got something

we can learn from about podcasting, something we

can learn about podcasting from. Um, so I will be

chatting to podcasters at all Stages of their

journey, people who've just launched, people who

have been doing it for years. I'll be chatting to

some of our clients about how we've, um, work

together on their podcast and what they've gained

from it. And my kind of overall aim with this is

to show, is to really demonstrate, like, the

breadth of opportunity podcasting brings and just

the variety of ways in which a podcast can be done

well. And that doesn't need to look like recording

in a swanky studio with branding and, you know,

branded mugs and branded mic muffs. Although I do

have a branded mic muff and I love it, of course.

Um, but it doesn't need to look the same as

everybody else, and it doesn't have to be perfect

and polished and amazing right from the off. And I

want to kind of show people that. That kind of

everybody that, like, if you're running a business

or you are doing anything on social media, you

already have the basis of a podcast, and it's just

about finding a way to do it that feels like.

Feels. I, uh, hate. I hate the overuse of the word

authentic, but it is the only word to use in this

case that feels authentic to you. And, um, that

can be recording a podcast while you're out

walking, it can be recording a podcast in the car,

it could be at your desk, it could be with a

friend at their kitchen table. And there's ways

of. Oh, God, I'm rambling now. But I want to show

the variety of ways in which a podcast can be

done, done well and enjoyed and be the process, be

enjoyable and also kind of show people that it's

not all about, um. Oh, let me start out a bit

again. See, when I'm, like, typing it all out and

I can, like, stop and think.

>> Katie: Yeah, you've got a minute to, like.

>> Buckers: It sounds. It. It sounds really good. And then

when I. Saying it out loud, it's like, does this

sound good? Um.

>> Katie: Oh, it does.

>> Buckers: I want to talk to people and find out what we can

learn from other people who are already doing it,

as well as what I can share, because I hate this

whole kind of culture of

>> Katie: your.

>> Buckers: If you want your podcast to succeed, or if you

want your business to succeed or if you want to

achieve XYZ. Here's the top 10 things that you

need to make sure that you have. Otherwise you'll

fail or it won't be as good as other people's.

Yeah, I want to, like, obliterate, uh, that. And I

don't want that anywhere near. Yeah, the ear. The

ears of anybody who's going to listen to this

podcast. I want this to be. This is going to be a

welcoming, inclusive, fun space where if you are

completely new to podcasting and have not a Scooby

Doo, what is required or involved or how it might

look for you if you were to start a podcast. I

want this to be a place that you can come hang

out, and I also want it to be a place that you can

come hang out if you have been doing a podcast for

three years or more and you are a, uh, brilliant

interviewer or a brilliant host. And there's. Your

podcast is amazing, but you really want to listen

to how other people are doing it and see what,

like, nuggets of wisdom you can take from other

people. So it's basically kind of a living, um.

Oh, no. What am I trying to say? It's basically

going to be like, I'm imagining it like an audio

scrapbook, and everybody that we speak to will

take little nuggets of wisdom from. And then. And

then you can kind of take what you think aligns,

uh, with you and would work for you and leave the

rest. Leave and just dip in and out as much as you

want, but just, you know, come along, Come along

for the ride as we learn about. Not just not. Not

what it takes to make a good podcast, but what it

can take to make a good podcast. And it'll be.

What might work for one person would be. Would

sound really weird and unnatural, um, for another

person. But, uh, I guess it's kind of just. I just

want to make this information and make these

experiences available and accessible for other

podcasters, regardless of what stage we're at on

our journey. Come and learn together. Share

experiences, share advice. Like, what would you

have done differently? What would you have done,

you know, based on what you know now, what would

you advise somebody to do now? Um, and talk about

the kind of. I want it to be a place to talk about

the really unexpected joys of podcasting as well.

Not just, oh, I did a couple of series. It was

really good. And now I have a sponsor, and my

podcast makes me, you know, X amount of money. I

want it to be a place to talk about.

>> Katie: Oh.

>> Buckers: After I published this episode, a listener who I'd

never come into contact with before contacted me

to tell me how much this episode changed their

perspective or how, like, they'd never heard of

this thing before, and now it's completely changed

their life. And now we're best friends and we meet

up every Saturday. You Know, I want to, uh, like,

I want it to be a space to celebrate the

unexpected joys, both in our businesses and

personally, that have come from podcasting and

kind of show, I guess, really, I guess it be a

place to champion the medium of podcasting, uh,

and show how really, like, at its core, it is for

everybody. And it is a community builder as well

as just a, you know, it's not just a tick box

marketing exercise for your business. It's a space

to really create. Yeah. Connections and

communities and a, uh, legacy for not just your

brand and your business, but you as an individual

as well. Because we grow and we develop and we,

our podcasts can be like a real, kind of like

living time capsule of who, um, we are and what we

do.

>> Buckers: Is that all right?

>> Katie: I feel like in what I'm getting from what you're

saying, like, the kind of summary of that is there

isn't one big secret that successful podcasters or

successful podcast producers have got. That's

like, if you only knew this. Yeah. Then you would

have a great podcast.

And here's my top three tips, my top five tips,

whatever. There isn't a big secret. There's. This

podcast will be about finding the kind of magic

source that works for each individual person. So

instead of finding out the big secret, it's just

about discovering what, what is going to align

with a particular person. And, um, it's like a

choose your own adventure. Like, there's so many

different types of podcasts.

>> Buckers: Oh, I love that. I love that. I was just thinking

it's like a recipe book. And, um, you know, you

might read through a recipe book and think, well,

I like the sound of that. But, you know, like

apricot tagine. Oh, no, I don't like that. So I

won't be a very good cook if I don't. If I can't

make that or if I don't like that, I wouldn't be a

very good cook. You can like, it's. You don't have

to make everything from a recipe book to become a

better chef. Yeah, but your analogy is way better.

>> Katie: Choose your. I'm like, it's either choose your own

adventure or it's going out for tapas. And yes.

>> Buckers: Podcast tapas.

>> Katie: Podcast tapas. Just picking your small plates. So

it's, you know, it's, uh, not. Yes.

>> Buckers: Because if you only like patatas bravas, then get

three plates of this. Then get three of it. And

don't be judged by anyone at the table.

>> Katie: Exactly. Three different sauces and, um, yeah.

>> Buckers: And that's three different dishes.

>> Katie: 100 per cent.

>> Buckers: Yeah. Yeah, it's this.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: I hope this is. I hope this podcast is like

podcast tapas where we serve up a variety of small

plates of delicious wisdom that we take from our

own experiences as producers, from the clients

that we've worked with, and from podcasters that,

uh, that produce their own podcast and have got

really valuable guidance and, um, experiences to

share. And we can pick and choose.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: And, um, I just love the idea of somebody

listening to this who is exactly like me, has been

wanting to do it for ages. It's been on their to

do list. It's always on their, like, New Year's

resolutions. It's been on the vision board, and

people have been saying to them for ages, you

should really do a podcast. It'd be really good.

And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely do

that. And then you don't. Um, for whatever reason,

I would love for somebody who is in that position

to listen to this, to kind of pick up a few bits

and pieces from each, um, episode and for that to,

um. And for them to hear something on this podcast

that makes them go, oh, my God, do you know what?

That's the thing that's going to unlock doing this

for me. I never considered that I could do it that

way or. Or that person whose experience that I'm

listening to sounds exactly like me. And if they

can do it, then so can I. And I kind of want to

give permission to people that it is okay to take

inspiration. We're definitely not saying copy

anyone, but, like, what's that saying about.

There's, like, very few. There's no such thing as

an original idea anymore. Yeah, it's absolutely.

It's absolutely fine to take inspiration and use

that to then find your version of what that looks

like for you. Um, and that's what I want this to

be. And I suppose this podcast is like one giant

living metaphor for you can do something and be

scared about it and be worried about being judged

and be worried about not being consistent enough

and worried that it'll be a gigantic flop and

still do it.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: And it. And it probably turned out not to be. It

probably turned out to be really very fun and

good.

>> Katie: Exactly.

>> Buckers: So, I mean, that's. What was that? Maybe. Maybe 20

minutes? I reckon I can. like, extract a few bits

from that? Nuggets. Yeah.

>> Katie: Nuggets.

>> Katie: Yeah, I think so.

>> Buckers: Yeah.

>> Katie: Um, yeah.

>> Buckers: And I want to have fun features.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Buckers: I'm just saying this now. I want fun features.

>> Katie: Yeah.

One week we're having hummus on our tapas table,

and then the next week we're having some spicy

chicken on our, uh, tapas table. And sometimes

we're putting the hummus on the spicy chicken. I

don't know. What are Spanish dishes?

>> Buckers: I mean, being completely honest, I don't think

there's any time I'm not having hummus. I think

hummus is gonna be, like, the standard.

>> Katie: Oh, absolutely. The hummus is just, like,

constant.

>> Buckers: The base.

>> Katie: Yeah.

>> Katie: It's like we start off with a base layer of

hummus.

>> Katie: Uh, with every single meal, there's just a nice

spread of hummus. Farewell. I am getting a bit

hungry now.

>> Buckers: I fear this is going too far.

>> Katie: Yeah. This podcast might change its name to

welcome to Tapas.

>> Buckers: Can I take your order, please? Four platters of

patatas bravas coming up. Madame,

>> Katie: you can have.

>> Buckers: Oh, it wouldn't be Madame, would it? It'd be

Senorita.

>> Katie: Senorita. Exactly. I. I haven't had tapas in so

long. I love some tapas.

>> Buckers: Yeah.

>> Katie: Anyway, moving. Moving on. Um, I have some

questions to. To ask of you.