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And so my other question is, if
I'm constantly growing and my
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preferences are changing, if I am
manifesting my perfect person, then
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will I attract from that point?
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Meaning, I get that our preferences are
always changing and then especially with
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each relationship that we have, we become
more in tune with our actual desires,
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but where does growth and expansion for
both parties, like whoever I'm attracting
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in, how does that work with expansion?
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When you pull in the partner for you,
one of the things you could say is
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that we grow and expand together.
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If that's important to you, then call in a
partner who's willing to expand with you.
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My husband is not as
much into this as I am.
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But he has seen me manifest
all sorts of things.
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So he is like, Hey, okay,
I'll go along with it.
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You don't have to be like exactly
the same, as long as they're willing.
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He doesn't shut me down or say
it's dumb or none of that stuff.
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He is very supportive of it.
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Now that being said, for people who,
it's really important- you wanna be
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on the same page, you want 'em to feel
the same way about it, then decide that
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if you're not with the person already.
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Say you're in a relationship or
in a marriage and you decide that
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you're moving along this path, in
your mind- will your spouse or your
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partner, will they expand with you?
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Even if they don't follow the exact
same path, will they grow with you?
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If the answer's yes, then wonderful.
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I feel like you're still
with the right person.
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At least for me, the most important
thing is for someone who's willing
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to grow, and expand, and support
me, just as I will support them.
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Sometimes the Universe takes a long time
to like catch up with what you want.
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You'll be able to see
and think like, wow, A.
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It works.
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B.
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Too late Universe, I've moved on.
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It'll be a great contrast for you too.
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Because then you see like, you would've
been perfect for me when I was X or
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even last year, but now I've changed.
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That makes sense.
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If we're all growing and expanding all the
time, whether we know it or not, right,
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how can there be one clear idea and one
clear manifestation of love and a person?
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Does there have to be like a perfect
point in which we both come together
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and then again, what happens when
we grow and expand out of that?
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And so I appreciate your answer so
much about calling in somebody who
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is expanding and growing as well,
and wants to continue to do so.
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When we think of it that way, there's
a lot less pressure to be like, the
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perfect manifestation for that person.
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And have them be the perfect
manifestation for us.
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It just allows the Universe to work.
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'Cause you've surrendered
that it's not this point.
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And you'll also change each other.
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So once you meet somebody,
they're gonna change you.
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You're gonna change them.
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Because together you form
something else, right?
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So your relationship creates
something that didn't exist before
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and will awaken parts in you or
strengthen parts in you that you
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didn't know you had, and vice versa.
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And here's another thing,
when you get together, you'll
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see like, are you empowered?
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Do you feel stronger?
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Do you feel better?
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I always feel like the best
thing about my husband is that
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he makes me feel more like me.
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And I was waiting for someone
who allowed me to feel like me.
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And bolstered me up and lifted
me up just like I do for him.
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I see his best points and I try
and bolster and lift him up.
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And it's not hard.
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It's a very easy, natural thing.
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But together we form something, right?
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So we have this thing, we're apart and
together, and that creates something new.
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And you get an opportunity to see if
that something new is better or worse.
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Love and a person is so different
from a tangible manifestation,
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like a thing that is static, right?
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Because relationships are dynamic
and they are changing, whether we
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are changing or whether we know we're
changing or not, or our partner is.
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And so we're constantly co-creating
something different and new.
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Whether we're conscious of that or not.
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If manifestation is also about
becoming who we are- because with every
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manifestation, whether it's tangible or
it's dynamic and continuously changing,
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I believe that manifestations are helping
us get to a higher level of ourselves.
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The manifestation is never really fully
about like the actual manifestation,
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especially with things, right?
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It's always something deeper.
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If we are using relationships,
specifically with the person that
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we've "realed" in, and we're thinking
about becoming who we are in this
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continually evolving relationship,
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once you're married, who are you becoming?
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Because I think a lot of times,
we feel like I've met my person,
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and now my love journey is over.
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I think it so easy for us to, especially
when we're younger, especially
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when we're taught by society, like,
and they lived happily ever after.
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The end, right?
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I mean, there's never any like, real shows
or anything that really, educates people
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necessarily on everything
marriage can be or is.
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And so a lot of times people go into
marriage having thoughts that like,
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I've met my perfect person and now we're
just gonna live happily ever after.
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Just a quick caveat by the way, the
realing him in which you mentioned, so
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for those of you that didn't get that-
obviously like to reel in R-E-E-L-I-N-G
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like a fishing pole or with a fish.
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And of course the pun is
realing, R-E-A-L-I-N-G,
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like you're making that
person really real.
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And there they are.
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So you're quote " realing" him in.
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I feel like my marriage the thing
that I love about it is that we have
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grown and transformed, and it keeps
getting better and better and better.
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We have both really strong personalities
and when we argue, which we do argue
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at times, we have come to realize
it's because we are the same.
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Like we're not gonna be pushed around
by the other person, which is why
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we're a good fit for each other.
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Because he didn't want someone
who he could lord over.
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And I certainly was not gonna have
a man that made me feel small.
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At the same time, I didn't want someone
that would do anything I wanted him to do.
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I wanted someone who
was my match that way.
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And we respect and love each
other in that, in that way.
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So even when we clash, we can step
back and be like, all right, we're
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having a moment where we're the same.
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We had to learn in the first part of
our marriage how to navigate that.
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I was in this really big journey
of uncovering manifesting stuff.
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And he was not on the same page.
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He wasn't resisting, but I was growing
and changing and the big question was
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he gonna grow and expand too or not?
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That took some time.
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The answer of course was yes, he did.
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It wasn't like a big conversation we had,
it was just sort of like something that
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happened and we both grew forward from it.
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I feel like once you've "realed" them
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have the person you wanna be with.
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Mm-hmm.
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So then you can play together.
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And then you can grow and change together.
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And you can see who you become together.
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And I feel like we influence each
other, and we grow, and we change, and
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it's a whole different love journey.
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Mm-hmm.
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And you cannot control anybody else.
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You can never make anybody do anything.
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You can imagine in your mind the
kind of vibration that you want or
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the kind of feeling that you want.
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You can never control anybody.
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You can control how you feel,
how you respond, and what you'd
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like to see in your vibration.
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And if your partner does not
vibrate at the same level, they'll
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vibrate right outta your life.
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Otherwise, it'll be this wonderful
dance that just keeps growing together.
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Whether you do or do not have kids,
or pets, or whatever you choose
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your life to be, I feel like the
fun begins and the adventure begins.
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And there's a different form of
love that happens after that.
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It doesn't end.
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It should never feel like it ends
on your wedding day or like, oh,
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I found them, so now it's over.
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Mm-hmm.
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Instead, there's new adventures to be had.
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It should just be the start of
something wonderful, not the end.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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And I think you're right.
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I think people don't talk that
much about the real stuff.
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I feel thankful that my parents,
they didn't argue a lot, but they
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knew how to argue with each other.
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Like they could actually fight but then
it was over, there was no like door
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slamming or like, I'm mad at you forever.
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Like there was none of that
passive aggressive stuff.
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They'd have an argument, they'd talk
about it and then it would be done.
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And it was never harmful
or hurtful or terrible.
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I felt really grateful to learn that it's
okay to sometimes feel mad at your partner
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and that it's not the end of the world.
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And my sister and I were also
allowed to get angry at times.
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We were allowed to express
our feelings and to be mad.
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I don't get mad easily
about things at all.
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But occasionally things get under my skin.
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And usually it's my husband because
he's the one I'm with all the time.
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We had to learn how to argue together.
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Because his parents argued
differently than my parents.
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And so it's been really helpful
to figure that out together.
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And the reason I'm bringing this up is
because even the best relationships,
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you have arguments sometimes.
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We're all human and we all have times
where things are just not great.
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How can I shift this?
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How can I be different, even
if he's not being different?
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And humor is a great way also.
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If you can separate yourself from
the situation, it really helps.
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'Cause sometimes when we're mad, we don't
mean to be mad at the person we love,
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and we don't know how to get out of it.
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I think it's important to talk about the
fact that you can be angry sometimes.
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And still have a great relationship.
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You can have a bad day.
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Even when you're practicing
the best vibration ever.
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We are human.
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Things happen.
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You get happy, you get sad, and it's
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I love that.
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When I was dating and then I met
my husband, there was a real sense
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of being unattached to the outcome.
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With that being said, I certainly
didn't have a desires list either.
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I just really wanted to go out and
meet people, and hear their story,
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and see how they're living life.
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And I was just interested
in meeting people, right?
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I didn't have a real attachment.
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I didn't have the need to find somebody
and get settled and have children.
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I don't want children and so
I never felt that pressure.
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Part of manifestation is being able to be
unattached to the outcome, knowing that
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it's gonna come, but also being unattached
to the how, like you were saying earlier,
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and what exactly that's gonna look like.
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Even though I think you can have
a desires list and also surrender
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it to the point where it doesn't
have to look exactly like this.
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In fact, Universe, you
can wow me a little bit.
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I think to your point, just because you
have this list does not mean that you must
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sit there with a checklist on your date.
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Like the idea is you write it down and
then you, you tweak it every so often.
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Maybe you look at it, you
think about it makes you happy.
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And then you just go out
and you live your life.
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I don't think it should be
at the forefront, like it's
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not a business transaction.
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The idea is you have it, you
release it to the Universe.
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You use it as your guiding
post, right, as you're dating.
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Then you realize like, wait a minute, this
person has everything I had on my list.
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I can't believe it.
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At the same time, the unattachment
to how it's going to work out, I know
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it's hard to let that go sometimes.
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Especially if you really
want to find somebody.
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How do you stay both attached
and unattached at the same time?
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It's a delicate balance.
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It is a balance of knowing,
and being clear, and having
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it in the back of your head.
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And knowing, because you put that
out there, that the right people
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are, are being attracted to you.
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And then you kinda see how it plays out.
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And at the same time, because
you're clear, you're gonna
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have a lot less sorting to do.
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You're not gonna get the people that
are really wrong, or immediately
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you'll be like, no, thank you.
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Let's not even.
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Coffee's over.
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Mm-hmm.
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Makes it easier.
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Makes it faster.
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Although I felt unattached, there was
still a level of, when we got together,
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a level of worthiness that I don't
think was there that is now here.
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There's a difference between someone
completing you and complimenting you,
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right?
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And I think in that moment, when I
was in the dating pool then, I was
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still looking for somebody to complete
me as opposed to compliment me.
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With every new relationship
we feel more worthy,
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we know what our non-negotiables
are and that kind of thing.
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What role does this wholeness,
this not needing to be complete by
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somebody else, what does that play?
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What have you found?
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That's key to everything.
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So it's like when I finally realized
that it didn't matter if I had anyone
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or not, when I felt good in myself.
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'cause I noticed a pattern that when I
would finally feel good about myself in
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life, was just happy with my life, of
course, I would meet somebody, right?
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And then sometimes I would get
lost in the relationship and
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I lose myself a little bit.
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And I finally realized that the
key was to feel great in myself
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alone and in relationship.
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And I had come to the point where I was
like, I don't care if I ever get married.
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I reached the point where I was like,
fine, if I never get married, I'll travel
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the world and have interesting liaisons
around the world and just enjoy myself.
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Because I felt good about who I am.
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And so when I met my husband, I don't
feel like he took anything away.
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He just added to me.
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And again, he helps me feel
even more whole, if anything.
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Not because he's complaining
me, but because he highlights
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my, and supports my best self.
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When you feel whole and
complete, you're looking just
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for someone who compliments you.
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And you two together as whole people
work really great together, making
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each other feel good and shining and
helping each other grow in areas.
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We both have fortes things
that we're good at and enjoy
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together, so it's complimenting.
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I love that because in my own
journey at that point in life,
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I had gotten out of a long-term
relationship, and I was working, and I was
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doing everything to be miss independent.
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So I was like I've got this.
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I don't need anybody, right?
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And I think that's
different than worthiness.
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That, "miss independent, I don't need
anybody" versus worthiness is different.
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And also I loved your
response because you said, if
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I never get married, I'm just
gonna go travel the world.
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And for me, that really hit on you
knew exactly who you were and what
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you wanted to do with your life.
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You weren't, and this is what I feel like
I was doing, subconsciously almost quote
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unquote, waiting for my life to begin.
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Because in my mind, in my conditioning-
yeah, I was living a life and that was
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fine, but to be, you know, quote unquote
"successful," it would mean being married
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and then my true life would occur, right?
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So even though I was playing this miss
independent, I was actually not allowing
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myself to even know fully who I was.
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And also what I wanted and what my
soul's calling was for my life, because
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that my partner would play a big
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role in what that looked like.
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is more of the completing.
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I need somebody to complete me
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versus I know who I am and what
I'm gonna do, no matter what.
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I'm gonna give myself my big life.
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love and the strengths.
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though I had that thought, my
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husband and I have done a lot of
traveling around the world together.
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then I was like, well, forget
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it, 'cause I have these plans.
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I decided to make a change not
because I felt like, oh, now I can't
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do these things, or I don't want to.
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It wasn't like I never did
these things and now he's
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preventing me from doing them.
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husband and I were dating, he said,
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well, I was gonna go do this and that.
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want you to ever feel like I am
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preventing you from doing these
things that you had on your list.
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Like, if you need to
go do them, please do.
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to do is resent me because I didn't
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let you do these things or that you
thought you were gonna do these things.
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And then he kinda came back and he said, I
realize that I'd rather do them with you.
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I felt really secure in myself
and honestly in our relationship,
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or at least enough to know
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if that's more important to him than our
relationship, I need to let him do it.
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I need to let him go
and, and do these things.
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I think that we are changed or we
want to make adjustments for somebody.
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whole dreams and your life, like
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hopefully they wanna do these things.
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One of the things that drew us to each
other is that we both love to travel.
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we wanted to be in the place that makes
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us the happiest so that when we travel
places, we can come home and not feel sad.
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now we have to go home.
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We're like, oh, now we're going home.
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and when you meet the right
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person, your plans might adjust.
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gonna do all these things and then I
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met so and so and my life sucks now.
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my God, that's so exciting.
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I think the most important thing
is also to be open to the surprise
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of how someone might change you.
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So I guess my question comes back
to should we know who we are and
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how we want to show up in the world
first before getting into a marriage?
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I feel like you grow and change so much
in your twenties, it is really helpful
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to take the time and not be married
unless you really like, you just know.
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And you grow together
and you grow up together.
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Mm-hmm.
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I have seen that happen so
beautifully for some people.
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But a lot of times I think people
get married too young and they
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don't know who they are yet.
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they can know who they are.
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Being from a line of very strong women,
I feel like that was just ingrained that
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you have a life and then you get married.
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My mom was 25 when she got married,
which was considered an old maid at the
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time she got married, been to college
and grad school and was living a life.
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I think it's all relative 'cause
everyone's situation is different.
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can, to at least figure out
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who you are at the moment.
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Because it's going to change,
but at least feel good.
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Not not wandering around or thinking
that getting married will solve all
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your problems, or that life is gonna
be perfect as soon as you're married.
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Like, no, let it be perfect now.
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I think that's the big thing.
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I was thinking about, well,
if we're waiting to figure
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out exactly who we are, A.
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that always is changing, like you said.
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like how do we wanna show up in our world?
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Like how do we wanna give of our gifts?
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is- some people, like you
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said, will never get there.
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love and marriage because
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they don't know, sucks, right?
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I mean, that's terrible to live
without love and to be loved.
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It just also means,
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that if you don't know and you are
attracting somebody who doesn't know, then
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this might be one of those relationships
where it doesn't last forever.
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than all the other relationships.
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And I also wanna say to people that don't
wanna get married, that's also fine.
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No one's forcing you to get married.
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It's okay if you don't
wanna ever be married.
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You don't have to be
married to be happy, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So that's one thing.
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like, I think marriage is fun.
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When you're with the right
person, being married is great.
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But if you're like, I don't know,
I never thought about it before.
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Right.
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You're gonna get someone else
who doesn't know 'cause they
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haven't thought about it before.
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And then you realize later who you
are and you're like, oh, not a fit.
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So just be grateful when those
things happen and you get clarity.
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And maybe it's not forever thing
that doesn't make it bad, it
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just makes it something that,
that happened and you got better.
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Hopefully you grew from.
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Not that it doesn't suck at
the time, 'cause it might.
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Wonderful.
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This is so helpful, Becky.
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I really enjoyed your book and I'm so
grateful for your wisdom and your answers.
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I greatly appreciate it.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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It's been so much fun.
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And it's always a pleasure delving
into these things that I feel
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like are not talked about as much
as they could be or should be.
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And it's obviously an area that
I find interesting and important.
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So thanks for having me on.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Thank you.