The focal point of this podcast episode is the examination of the infamous "Body Bag Game," a significant matchup between the Washington Redskins and the Philadelphia Eagles that transpired in 1990. We delve into the intense rivalry and the brutal nature of the game, which was marked by a staggering number of injuries and a polarizing coaching style exemplified by Buddy Ryan. Such dynamics not only illuminate the ferocity of professional football during this era but also highlight the evolution of player safety protocols that emerged in response to the violence witnessed on the field. As we recount the events of this game, we reflect on the cultural significance it holds within the context of Philadelphia sports and its impact on the legacy of the players involved. Join us as we navigate through the complexities of this memorable encounter, exploring its repercussions and the lasting impressions it left on fans and the sport alike.

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Scott and Derek first met at Blockbuster Video in college bonding over their shared love of The Big Lebowski. But during those long minimum-wage shifts stacking copies of Armageddon, they quickly found out they had a deeper affection for sports of their childhood and the players and teams they idolized.

From Pete Rose to Nolan Ryan, Larry Bird to Hakeem Olajuwon, these two Texans have spent countless hours debating the top players and thrilling moments from their favorite decade of sports, making them the ideal hosts of The Mixtape: 90s Sports Edition.

The podcast episode delves into an intriguing discussion surrounding the infamous 'Body Bag Game' that took place in 1990, a notable confrontation between the Washington Redskins and the Philadelphia Eagles. The episode is framed against the backdrop of the evolving nature of professional football, where the line between amateurism and professionalism becomes increasingly blurred. The speakers reflect on their own experiences and observations from childhood, particularly recalling the dichotomy between professional and amateur athletes as explained by their fathers. They highlight the significance of this game, not merely as a clash of two teams, but as a pivotal moment in NFL history that would lead to changes in rules and player safety protocols. The speakers engage in a detailed analysis of the game's context, including the rivalry between the teams, the coaching styles of Buddy Ryan and Joe Gibbs, and the impact of the notorious injuries sustained during the match. This analysis is supplemented by a humorous yet earnest commentary on the challenges they faced while producing the podcast, emphasizing their commitment to professionalism amidst technical difficulties.

Takeaways:

• In this podcast episode, the hosts discuss the significance of the 1990 Body Bag Game, emphasizing its historical context and the impact of injuries on the players involved.
• The dialogue reveals the difference between professional and amateur podcasting, underscoring the technical challenges faced by the hosts during recording.
• The episode touches on the evolution of football rules, specifically how the Body Bag Game influenced new regulations regarding player safety and quarterback protection.
• They reflect on the legendary Buddy Ryan, highlighting his controversial coaching style and the legacy he left in the NFL, particularly with his defensive strategies.
• The hosts share personal anecdotes related to their experiences watching football in the 1990s, illustrating the cultural significance of the sport during that era.
• The discussion includes a mention of the upcoming episodes, where they will explore the 1990 World Series and notable baseball trades, continuing their examination of sports history.

Three, two.

You're listening to the mixtape podcast, Sports Edition.

This is Scott.

I'm joined by Derek.

Derek, this is a professional podcast.

I don't know if you know that.

Do you know the difference between amateur or amateur and professional?

Well, we spent the last, like 10 minutes trying to configure our microphones in frustration.

I don't know how very professional.

You don't know.

You don't.

You don't pull back the curtain, do you?

I already messed up.

No, no, no, that's fine.

That's fine.

But no, that's a very professional thing to do.

Amateurs probably just record this into an iPhone.

We've got microphones, we've got MacBooks.

We've got.

Did I say microphones?

We do have mic more.

We've got headsets, but we're not using them because we don't need.

We don't know how to use.

We don't need to monitor ourselves.

We're professionals, Derek.

Then we spend two hours post podcast going, why doesn't this sound good?

Yeah.

Why does it sound like there's an echo?

But we are professionals.

And I always thought of this when I was a kid, right?

When I was a kid, you'd watch the Olympics and you'd be like, dad, why is the basketball team made up of college kids?

And I just remember being told at a very young age, amateurs aren't paid, professionals are.

As soon as you are a professional athlete, you can't be in the Olympics.

That's the way my dad kind of phrased it to me.

I don't even know if that was 100 accurate for the 80s.

And obviously then that just went away with the Dream team in the 90s and whatever, I guess.

But we're professionals.

I don't know.

There's two things here, Derek.

I want to point out.

We just got an email from the father of the sports history network, Arnie.

I saw it.

And we get a little.

We get a little.

We've got a sponsor here.

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Yes, that's right.

And so we are now.

And this isn't our first time to be paid, but we were paid.

We won't get into the amount as that doesn't matter, but we've got an outstanding sponsor.

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And right now, Derek, why don't you tell them what you're.

What you're drinking over there?

I believe I've got the decaf.

Yeah.

From Sterling Roastery.

From Sterling Roastery.

And it's.

Listen, it's not your father's Folgers.

It's not your father's.

Not your father's Folgers.

It is delicious.

You're exactly right.

It's amazing.

So our friends at Sterling Roastery and Sterling Soaps had reached out through Arnie and the Sports History Network and decided, hey, you know what might help you guys push this even more is to try some of the products.

And so they sent me some decaf coffee because that's kind of what I prefer for that midday coffee especially.

I don't want to be up all night.

Sure.

And they also sent some soaps and other items kind of in the soap realm, I guess you could say a shampoo bar.

You ever used a shampoo bar?

I haven't yet, but I never knew it existed.

I got.

They gave me.

They sent me a shave kit.

I use the shampoo bar as soon.

As I go home.

I think I prefer it cleaning up regular shampoo now.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean, I just kind of like the idea of rubbing a bar around on your head to generate that.

Here's the problem, Scott.

We're no longer professional.

If we're spending more on our sponsor than they spend on us, that's okay.

We're still professionals.

Net loss.

We are still professionals.

But be sure you check out our sponsor, Sterling Soaps and Sterling Roastery.

You can find them at sterlingsoaps.com which is S-T-I R L I N G soaps dot com, so make sure you check them out.

But just as we are professional podcasters, we're here to talk about some professional football teams.

It's.

It's.

We're dipping our toe.

We felt like we were doing too many baseball podcasts.

Not.

Not that we're going to finish the year out with four in a row.

Yeah.

But we had been talking about this game for a little.

Yes.

And it is the body bag game,.

Not to be confused with the Bounty Bowl.

That was the year prior.

And as you look into this game, you'll probably find a lot of that as well.

On a chilly November night in Philadelphia, betwixt the Washington Redskins and the Philadelphia Eagles.

And the reason it was declared the body bag game was because of everyone's favorite NFL coach, Buddy Ryan, declaring before the game, they're gonna have to take them off the field in body bags.

And I believe they had three carded off.

That's right.

So I mean it kind of was kind of happened.

But had.

Had the legacy, had the body, had the Bounty bowl not happened previously and we'll get into this, but had that not happened the year before.

I feel like a lot changed from this game.

No doubt.

A lot of rules changed and.

And things of that nature, so.

Exactly.

Careers changed, I feel.

I would say.

I feel like it is not.

It definitely had.

Being a Cowboy fan growing up, I got a lot of hsos.

I got a lot of hot sports opinions about Buddy.

Yeah.

But I feel like outside of Philadelphia, this game is really kind of diminished a little bit.

But if you ask somebody from Philly about this game, like they will light up like a crazy Christmas tree.

Exactly.

I think it very much is.

It embodied the town and the fan base.

No doubt.

You said that very well.

So we got the body bag game on the 90s sports mixtape coming up.

Foreign.

The great Al Michaels led off the broadcast by saying there is an edge in the air tonight.

And it's not just the November chill.

It is a hostile environment here at the Vet.

And I think my first memories, Derek, of ever hearing about Philadelphia sports are related to the Philadelphia Eagles.

And just exactly what Al Michael said there was that hostile environment of the Vet.

And this game, as you said in the intro, embodies Philadelphia, embodies their fans so much.

And I think as you watch this game, you definitely can pick up on that hostile environment just as the tide continues to turn against the Redskins.

How the fans react.

You know, being a Cowboy fan in the 80s and I have talked about my allegiance to the 49ers during that decade, but being in the Dallas Fort Worth market and the game's not selling out and then being blacked out and us having to get up on the roof and turn the antenna to Wichita Falls to try to get the Cowboy game.

Like it's looking back.

I haven't talked to my father about this because he would get up on the roof and turn it and then he would just bag on the Cowboys the whole game.

He would just talk about how terrible they were, which they were.

But.

But getting up on the roof to watch a football game and putting yourself in danger of falling off and hurting yourself like that is something that is distinctly of the 80s, 70s and 60s.

70S and 80s.

Yeah.

Did you know the, the, the Vet Veterans Stadium?

To me, the thing that I remembered was during the playoffs they would leave the baseball stuff out, lines would be on the field and stuff like that.

And you always heard that Veteran Stadium was basically concrete with Just a small layer of carpet on top.

That's right.

That it was just brutal.

And my thing on veterans or on the baseball field.

Football players playing on baseball field.

Do you know the last time that happened in the NFL and probably the last time it will ever happen.

It's not as far back as you think.

Oh, really?

Okay.

I was gonna.

Are we asking where or.

Yeah, you can say.

You can.

Yeah.

I feel like I can picture it.

I think that's probably the easiest thing.

Is where it was at San Francisco.

Oakland.

Oakland.

Right before coven.

And why?

Because that's where the Raiders were playing.

But that was.

That was the last time that football, NFL football has been played on a field prepared for baseball.

Yes.

So like a dirt.

Like a field where.

Yeah, but remember they had like during the football season they would have.

They would leave the dirt out.

Yes.

Like you would play on the dirt.

Yeah.

Well, they.

I mean, Oakland was spending money on putting sod out there.

Never.

So anyway, little tidbit.

I heard it this week, thought I'd throw it to you.

Yeah.

Because I was watching veterans.

That's fun.

But they like.

To me it was baseball.

Like the only time I saw veterans was watching baseball in the 80s.

Yeah.

And I was agreeing with Pete.

You saw a lot of baseball.

Yeah.

Even though, I mean most of Pete's time.

And I would say like my time for being a Pete Rose fan in the moment, getting to watch Pete Rose.

He was already back with the Reds.

You know what I mean?

So I was still coming.

Philly 8.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Because that was, that was pre.

Obviously pre three.

Three divisions.

Yeah.

So there was a lot of.

So you're telling me that Pete was doing head first slides basically just on concrete?

Yeah, pretty much.

It's crazy.

Would explain a lot of Pete's behavior.

Dude.

He's a dude.

Gosh, Scott, we got the game on and I've already seen three people come off the field with help.

Exactly.

One of them, though being Philadelphia's.

Mike Golic, I believe was the one just being helped off at least, which he's going to continue to wreak havoc because we're still relatively early in the.

In the game here.

Not that we haven't already watched it a few times over, but kind of setting this up.

So this was the second time these two teams faced off this.

This year.

First game, of course, being in Washington and the Redskins won that game.

Right.

Gibbs kind of in preparation for this game with his team says they're going to be ready for us when we come to their place and we need to be ready for a pretty violent game.

And it definitely turned into that.

And I think, I think The Redskins were 5 and 3 and the Eagles were 4 and 4.

But legitimately the Eagles had the talent to be a Super bowl contender if they could get their S together.

Yeah.

Both these games, the Redskins, I believe were amongst the favorites at that time with the like, with the Niners.

Yeah.

So both, I mean this is, it's a mid season game, don't get me wrong.

But it is still an important game for both teams heading into the final half of the season.

Yeah.

Divisional game.

Two teams that hate each other and just I think throw into the mix there you've got Buddy Ryan and you know, again, I don't know if you want to jump into what you were kind of talking about earlier with your thoughts on Buddy, but just a dynamic, explosive type of character.

Yeah.

That was going to bring upon a night like this became.

And of course Buddy grew, was always a character, always a personality.

But he invented the 46 defense with the 86 Bears or mid-80s Bears.

They, they didn't just play it once and didn't just do the defense one season.

But obviously, you know, I don't even know if it's arguable anymore.

The greatest defense of all time was probably that 86 Bears team.

And I think therefore he's easily, I.

Think they allowed the least number of points in an NFL until the expansion, you know, or you know, in 16 games.

So like he obviously was known for his outlandish comments, but he was obviously a brilliant football mind.

Yeah.

And prepared to back it up generally.

And I mean you want to see a really great tribute to buddy.

It's the 30 for 30 about that bears team.

Yeah.

And at that point Buddy is already in, in, in pretty bad health.

Yeah.

And, and, and, and nearing the end, to put it frankly.

And it is kind of interesting though.

And I mean there's a, there was a lot of emotion in that in that documentary surrounding Buddy and, and just, you know, he already had a very similar style there but as the D.C. and you're kind of overshadowed by Ditka who was a giant personality of his own and then all the players on that team that were personalities.

He comes to Philadelphia as a head coach a couple years after that and really then kind of shines as a character.

I almost picture him sometimes as A cartoon character.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Because he's short stature, felt though too.

Big, and he's kind of portly, saying.

Things that wouldn't only show up in a cartoon.

You know what I mean?

Right.

He was crossing a line.

I felt like he was a cartoon villain, like.

Yeah.

You know, and then opposite him in this game, which I think makes it that much more meaningful for this game, is Joe Gibbs, the head coach of the Redskins, who's not like buddy at all.

I mean, he's kind of like this saint.

Yeah.

Stoic is a perfect word for him.

Didn't run his mouth a whole lot.

Didn't boast any of that.

Very humble dude.

If I can do a quick aside.

The Bounty bowl game broadcast, there's like multiple different ones on YouTube, and there's one that shows basically the ABC intro.

And we're probably not going to have time to get into the broadcast as much as we'd like.

But my favorite thing was just the production, because at the beginning, they got Hank Williams.

Yes.

And he goes, are you ready?

And if you remember, they used to get one individual from each team to say, I'm ready.

So at the beginning.

Did you see this?

No.

At the beginning, Hank goes, are you ready?

And the music kind of starts to kick up, and Randall Cunningham is up for the bit.

He goes, I'm ready.

And then they cut to Hank again, going, are you ready?

And they cut to Joe Gibbs, and he is sitting down, and he just kind of turns his head to the camera and he's like, I'm ready.

And I was like, that is Joe Gibbs.

Yes.

In a nutshell, that was the beginning of this game.

Yeah.

Okay.

No, beginning of the broadcast.

I think right when we hit it, it was happening.

Okay.

Muted it or whatever.

But the version I watched of this was shorter.

It was like that.

It was like.

I was thinking.

It was like he was sitting in a pew at church, and they bring the offering plate around, and he just goes, no, thank you.

That's like the tone.

That was like the tone and the demeanor he had.

It was like, hey, Joe, we need you to turn the camera.

Hank's gonna say, are you ready?

You're gonna say, I'm ready.

Yes.

And he was just like, all right, let's get this over with.

I gotta unpack.

Randall Cunningham.

Yes.

I love it.

The other thing I think about this game is it's really indicative.

And we kind of talked about this in the teaser, too, but it's a really good time capsule for this era.

Great time and the end of the era.

Yeah, like what we talked about, a lot of changes came out of this, but, you know, this is like the era where you would find the players from this game.

Guys.

I mean, again, Golic, although again, I think he's a little more polished because he became a big ESPN personality.

But I feel like guys like Jerome Brown, Reggie White, any of those guys later in their careers that would then almost make fun of this isn't real football anymore.

You know what I mean?

And this is what they're talking about, Right.

They're harkening back on these times when it was just, you know, kind of almost like this knockout or be knocked out mentality, especially for defenses like theirs that were just so solid top to bottom, you know what I mean?

And they just play with a relentless attitude.

And this kind of is a really good point in.

In time to look at as not only identifier for that era, but also the end of it.

And I think that Gangrene, as they were known.

Yeah.

Was really one of the last defenses like this that just came out with this reckless abandon.

And they weren't shy about the fact they wanted to take you out of the game.

Yeah.

And now you can't even say that.

You know, I'd say for the last 20 years, you couldn't really even say that.

Well, when I was doing research to.

To kind of tie all this in with the media, too.

When I was doing all the research and reading everything about not only this game, but Bounty bowl.

Because of the Cowboy connection.

Yeah, that was Jimmy's first year.

So the Bounty bowl, you know, they investigated.

The NFL investigated.

It was the first game that the Eagles and Cowboys had played that year, and it was at Texas Stadium.

Go helmet to helmet on the kicker.

Like they took out the Cowboys kicker, Jimmy, after the game, says, I have absolutely no respect for the way they played the game.

I would have said something to Buddy, but he wouldn't stand on the field long enough.

Yes.

And then this was.

This was the pull quote.

He put his big fat rear end into the dressing room, and that's what I remember.

Getting played over and over and over.

So that was the first game.

And then allegedly this Bounty bowl allegation comes out.

NFL investigates, doesn't find anything.

So they go to veterans.

This is in 89.

So this is a year prior to the Bounty bowl or the body bag game.

So they go to veterans.

And it snows.

And there are just iconic images in my mind of Jimmy having to be protected, running back into the locker Room, basically the tunnel.

Yeah.

And being bombarded with snowballs which they said, some of which were full of things like batteries and all that other stuff.

Batteries.

Always something like who's taking batteries to the game?

I know they're too expensive.

You gotta like, like you just buying like Costco 24 pack.

And even back then I feel I just watched something the other day.

Oh, it was one.

You and I were both watching some of the major league baseball fights from the 80s.

Yeah.

And batteries were always brought up like they're throwing batteries on.

Evidently.

I guess they just, they were just a dime a dozen.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I mean, because I always thought.

Is it because they were still bringing their walkman to the game back in the day to listen to the broadcast?

I can't imagine security.

I don't remember security being top flat or anything, but.

So before the game, the second game.

Right.

Yeah.

CBS teases and promos the game as Bounty Bowl 2.

Tagliaboo, the NFL commissioner is in the stands or in the, the state he's in.

Veterans.

Yes.

For the game.

Can you imagine the NFL letting ESPN tease a current day game with something scandalous?

Exactly.

Now granted, the NFL was not the NFL back in 19.

They weren't.

They weren't the behemoth.

They needed a little bit of this slushy scandal type stuff.

Definitely.

And they really leaned into it.

But it said basically that snowballs, ice and beer were thrown out onto the field throughout the game.

Jimmy Johnson was hit, Cowboys punter was hit.

Broadcasters Vern Lundquist and Terry Bradshaw were also struck.

And Eagles lineman Jerome Brown was also hit while asking fans not to throw.

Yeah.

Like the Eagles, he got friendly fire during the Bounty bowl game.

But anyway, that all D battery that all, all of that fed into basically the body bag game.

Yes.

And it's crazy that like to me, for us, maybe our credential, our threshold for whether we should do a game or not is if it has a Wikipedia page.

Because the bounty bowl game has a very extensive Wikipedia page and the body bag game has one.

Yeah, yeah.

The, Yeah.

I don't know the, the, the picture of this game.

Like the thing I continuously think of in this game too is Ryan like more than anything after having gone through it a couple times now, like Buddy Ryan is the thing that's most stands out.

And 100.

You know what Buddy said?

I, I saw this and, and I believe it was in response to the Jimmy Johnson stuff when they interviewed Buddy about it.

And he kind of said, why would I want to take out a kicker?

Who cares about kickers?

Right.

I mean, just.

That was Rudy.

Rudy Zendayas.

Yeah.

For all you cowboy kicking fans out there.

Oh, my gosh.

So total of nine guys injured in this game.

Yeah.

I believe, from what I understand, six of them taken out.

That is.

There is some discrepancy there.

Okay.

Some say as little as six, some say as much as nine.

Yeah, there's a little discrepancy there.

However, three guys were carded off the field, which is an abnormally large amount of.

No doubt.

And all from the Redskins.

And I think the thing that.

The reason why.

Not only because of everything surrounding it, but one of the reasons is they had to go to a third quarterback, which was their.

Basically their.

Their kick returner, Brian Mitchell, who gained fame later on with the Eagles.

But he.

He came on and actually looked really good.

He came on and looked really good in this game.

I believe he went two for four.

Yeah.

But ran it a couple times.

He was a quarterback, I think, in college.

Yeah.

But he looked really good in the play.

And that's kind of what you need, I feel like, against this defense, because before that, of course, Mark Rippon, I believe, was the starter who was out.

So they were already down.

So that means he's really the fourth quarterback.

And then they lose the two quarterbacks.

He comes in and, you know, I think they.

You.

They needed someone in the mold of Randall Cunningham, someone that was a little more athletic and able to escape these.

I mean, but, like, obviously Gibbs had a type, because each one of those white quarterbacks.

Yeah.

Is literally broad in the shoulders.

They can't move.

They're like Bernie Kozar starter kids.

Exactly.

And they all look the same.

Yes.

Every one of them.

Same.

Until Brian Mitchell gets in, which, by the way, there's a throw that Brian Mitchell makes to, like, the sideline.

That's on an out route.

Yeah.

And it's like he puts it in a perfect spot.

I was like, that's the best throw either quarter.

Like, even Cunningham.

That's the best throw that anybody made all night.

Yeah.

Was that out to the.

To the sideline?

I thought about him a lot, and I thought the other aspect there of that is, I mean, Brian Mitchell is used to getting hit hard.

Yeah.

I mean, as a kick returner, punt returner, especially back then.

And especially because, you know, it was just, you know, again, I know the.

The changes in our kickoff of the NFL are only a few years old at this point, but Magnify just the brutality of this time and.

And you can really see just how punishing it would be.

And so I do wonder if it's just a little bit of.

He wasn't that as skittish as some of these guys that did not want to be hit.

Right.

Namely the two guys.

He looks very confident back there.

Exactly.

But I don't know if you heard this on the broadcast, but the Redskins starting quarterback, his name was Jeff Rutledge, and it seemed like he was a very, like, Kurt Warner type story, where it was like, basically he was, like, at home with his family and Gibbs calls and, like, you know, he basically.

You can see him in slow motion kind of moving the shoulder around, going out and playing catch with the kids.

Yeah.

But like, he had been the journeyman and had started.

Got to start this game.

And it was a big deal because ripping had just gone out, and basically he breaks his thumb during the game.

Stan Humphries comes in.

So Stan Humphries, if you remember, goes to a Super bowl with the.

I believe he was the 95 quarterback of the Chargers.

Yeah.

And had a big season.

Yeah.

And I believe he took them to a Super Bowl.

Of course, they got absolutely obliterated, but they were really good.

He was really good.

He was the backup.

He got carted off with the knee.

I think he ended up spraining his knee.

I don't know if there was a ligament almost instantly.

Yeah.

Like, he's not.

It was.

Yeah.

But like, they.

I felt like the Redskins really struggled with pass protection.

Yeah.

At times when Buddy would throw different blitzes at him.

They did not.

They would.

There would be guys literally, as the rule says, unabated to the quarterback, and they would absolutely knock those guys in.

The next week, which I feel like, to me, I put a lot more of that on Buddy.

Oh, yeah.

Defense.

Than I do on the offensive line.

Because if there's one thing I think about with the Redskins of this era is, like, they always had tremendous offensive lines, like really good offensive linemen.

Almost always an all pro or two on the team.

I'm not sure what the status was here.

And they didn't lose any lineman.

Well, with backup quarterbacks, too, you're.

You're talking about, you know, protection.

Probably dumbing down the playbook a little bit.

Yeah.

But also shifting things right or left based upon where the.

Where they think the blitz is coming.

Exactly.

So, like, it's just you're.

You're kind of ripping, too.

I mean, ripping was a fantastic quarterback that won Super Bowls like he was.

Obviously, they were.

They were, you know, at a handicap, so to speak.

That offense was.

And you can see it throughout the night.

So the two quarterbacks who lost.

The one that stands out to me the most was Joe Howard, the receiver, just because he was knocked completely unconscious.

And every time that happens, I mean, now even then, I feel like there was a little bit of a gasp.

Now it would be almost like they would break into every other game and basically ask the world to start praying, you know, for.

For the player.

Whatever.

This one was just more like.

It did feel like that's the guy.

I feel like where it was like, okay, this is the body bag guy right here.

This is what you're showing when you call it the body bag game was the receiver, Joe Howard.

And then that also Gerald Riggs, long time, good running back for the Redskins.

Gets out.

They lost Walter Stanley, punt returner, kick returner, as well as a linebacker.

The only defensive player.

Player that's included in the six that leave the game.

Yeah.

So the.

One of the things too, that, you know.

And I. I wish, you know, this could be there.

But the guy who scores the first touchdown in the game, William Frisel, who.

Defensive back, scores off an interception.

He's also the one.

Then that kind of adds even more to Buddy Ryan's comment.

After a big hit, I believe he runs by the Redskins.

Yes.

Sideline and yells, do you need more body backs?

And again, it's.

God, it's just.

I. I know this stuff is still happening.

Don't get me wrong.

But it.

The thing that I miss is how amplified it was during this time, how much they leaned into the.

To the wrestling, you know, the wwf.

If I can use the.

Now that it's the wwe.

But back then, just the pageantry of just going out and knocking somebody.

Like, I mean, was it Ray Lewis that said, like, this is.

This is no longer a gladiator game.

Like, it is a gladiator game now.

Granted, people did pay the price.

Yeah.

Start getting into ptsd.

Not ptsd.

Cte.

Yeah.

Things of that nature.

You know, these guys obviously paid a significant price.

But there is something that sparks just in terms of being a sports fan, watching these broadcasts and watching these games and seeing things like that, where people are allowed to get into each other's face without flags being thrown.

There's not this monitoring, constant monitoring like there is now.

Yeah.

Like the ability to.

To enjoy that kind of aspect of sports.

It's something that I do miss a little bit.

No doubt.

And I think talking about Ray Lewis, because I think when you talk, you Talk about that 85 Bears defense.

To me, the.

The one that would be the closest to them, and I think it's often recognized is Ray Lewis's Ravens defense, especially during their super bowl year.

And the.

I.

It just happened to work this way.

And I know I feel like I bring up 30 for 30 so off often, but guys I live in 30 for, and I'll rewatch one a hundred times.

I just love them.

I feel.

I do feel like that's our.

But I went back and rewatched the Ravens one just by chance.

Okay.

In the last week after I'd already watched this game once.

And it was interesting just because, you know, Ray Lewis, obviously a big player.

Woodson, Sarah, Gusa, all those guys are in it and they're very much talking about kind of the gladiator mentality and the punishing the other team.

But even that, like watching highlights and, you know, they're pulling the biggest hits for a 30 for 30 when they're talking about these punishing blows.

The difference between this body bag game, the hits that are happening in this and kind of the attitude that they're happening with and that with Ray Lewis's team is still night and day like it already had been through a major change, you know, and just how this feels just, you know, relentless in the way they played the game and especially like the number of times where the tackle is almost it's done, but then someone still comes flying in and just puts a head to a head, just intentionally trying to hurt somebody, it seems like.

And so, you know, Lewis saying that.

That.

That's kind of.

It stuck with me too.

It's just like.

And.

And I. I want to say they allude to this and that or it's in a different Ray Lewis, but it is.

He's one of those guys where they say could have played in this era just fine, you know, but there's not a lot of.

For sure.

You know, there's not a ton of guys where, you know, someone from this era would say he would work in the 80s and 70s or whatever, you know, and even the early 90s.

Well, I mean, like, you probably can directly correlate that, draw a straight line to how much money these guys are making.

And, you know, the first time I ever heard, oh, he's making a business decision was with Dion.

Yes.

You know, Dion not making a tackle or not not engaging in contact.

Exactly.

And not to say that those guys are making business decisions, but some of them, some of Them are.

Some of them are making business decisions, which, if I was making that much money, probably would also be making some business decisions.

But it, you know, I really enjoyed the NFC east, east knee, you know, easiness of all of this right here.

Yeah.

Just being like.

And by that, I mean, like, they, I think, were on.

You can see it on the final day of the season.

They had a chance to go to the playoffs.

Didn't make.

I think Aikman got hurt and they didn't make it.

But, like, they're starting to be good.

Yeah.

You're seeing Aikman and Emmett and those guys kind of come about.

But, I mean, Randall Cunningham was.

To me, he.

As.

There was a.

There was a point in time where I think I enjoyed watching Cunningham as much as I enjoyed watching Ken Griffey Jr.

Play baseball.

Yeah.

I would agree.

100.

Like, you were like, this guy is different.

He's a freak.

He's got that long flow throw motion.

Yep.

That's just so smooth.

He's running for a thousand yards a year.

He's throwing for 4,000 yards a year.

We never had anybody like that.

He is.

He literally ushers in the athlete, quarterback era.

I'd have to Google this.

But I also think there was a period of time where he had the record for the longest punt.

He did.

NFL history.

He did.

And I was.

Yeah, I was gonna.

I remember watching that.

Like, did someone out punt him?

I. I don't know.

It was.

It was like 92 yards.

It was either 88 or 92.

It was like out of his own end zone.

And it was.

And it was turf.

Every.

It was like wind and turf.

Yes, it was wind and turf aided and I believe.

Did they quick punt.

Like, was it on third down?

I think the punter got hurt.

Okay.

Because in my memory, then maybe they were just bringing the house because the way I remembered it, too, there was no returner back there.

No, no, you might be right.

You might be right.

91 Yards, I think.

I think.

No, he's in punt position.

He's in the back of the end zone.

Yeah.

And he.

He kicks it 70 yards in the air.

And it.

The wind.

The wind is howling.

They're at Giant Stadium.

Yeah.

And Dave Megat, he just.

He just kicks it over Dave Megget's head.

But it goes.

I think it bounces all the way back to the five.

Yeah, you're right, though.

I mean, Cunningham was.

He was cool.

Cunningham was cool.

His Style was different from others that we were seeing.

Yeah, he was athletic, you're right.

That long motion.

He had a good arm.

Philadelphia obviously good at the time or much of the time while he's there as the starter.

And you're right, I mean there was definitely.

He was the guy.

I know the focus is obviously on Buddy Ryan in the defense, but I found myself enjoying watching him just he.

I don't ever feel like his stats were as a long time fantasy football player.

I don't feel like his stats were ever like God, gaudy or outlandish or anything, but he was 70, 80 yards rushing, 230 passing.

Yeah.

And then he would make three or four plays that would make you either getting out of a sack and wheeling around or turning a loss into a gain.

Like he would make three or four plays a game where you were just like nodding and going, this guy's special.

Well, and with the defense like this, you didn't necessarily need a quarterback that was putting up 400 a game and five touchdowns.

Sure.

You just needed someone that could get the play when you needed it and didn't make a lot of mistakes.

And I think you fit that for sure as the.

One of the, one of the things I pulled as far as like from the announcers was when Deardorf said app, this is after, I believe this is late, this is in the fourth quarter.

And he says, look at the Washington sideline.

It looks like a mash unit unit out there.

I've never seen anything like this in all of my years in the NFL.

What a nightmare.

And I kind of, I, I think I would have glossed over that except for to come from a guy who's been involved with the NFL as long as he had at that point.

For him to legitimately say I've never seen anything like this.

What a Nightmare tells you really like how shocking this was in the moment.

Even to guys that had lived through some of these 70s and 80s crazy defenses and kind of no holds barred approach in the NFL.

And that just stuck with me was, you know, wasn't out Al Michael saying it and he would have years of watching it too, but a guy that had been through it saying this is a nightmare right now.

And just you can even hear it in their tone.

Yeah.

As the game goes on, you can really start to sense concern and a little bit of worry from both Michaels and Deardor.

Yeah, I think.

And that that's telling just because we, we as we've been talking about how this era, this is indicative of it, but this is even an outlier for that.

I mean obviously to get the name body bag game and to have six guys exit the game, it.

It obviously is an outlier.

Were you about to do 6?

7 Right there start to go up.

But I.

The.

I don't know.

It's.

It is really a great time capsule.

We've talked about this on all of the podcasts, I feel like.

Especially ones where we're going back and watching the footage.

Yeah.

But man, it is such an amazing.

Like I could just watch games from the 90s and probably 80s too for that matter.

But all the time.

Like I think I could almost retire from current sports right now and only watch.

It's the ultimate rabbit hole.

And YouTube is phenomenal at this because they'll show you another dozen things and you're like, oh my God, XYZ or.

Or you can watch.

There's these aggregate clip channels that like there's a great nine minute synopsis of this.

Yeah.

And Buddy Ryan, like his career how like it's really well done.

Like if you don't want to watch two and a half hour.

I think there's a two hour version of this game out there.

There's a. I think it's KTO's the channel.

Yes.

And it's the most brutal game ever or something to that effect.

But it's basically about the, the body bag game and it really.

The synopsis.

It's a nine minutes or so and it's really, really good.

Really good.

And it gives you all the.

The highlights and beats and, and everything of the game if you just want to see that.

But little things like that, man, Keith Jackson.

We got the game on.

Keith Jackson just caught.

I thought Keith Jackson could.

Keith Jackson would absolutely rule right now if he could.

If you could put him in a time machine and go 35 years.

Yeah.

Like he was so good.

Keith about him at some point in this too with I guess he had just signed a contract.

Oh.

The year before.

Gotcha.

And it sounded like his home team or his hometown fans were even a little bit like he's been booed.

Yeah.

I believe that's what they allude to is that he was booed earlier.

I'm pretty sure he was.

The amount he was being very early draft pick.

I think he was a first rounder.

But like top half of the first round.

Sure.

He was from.

He was on the I believe the national championship Oklahoma team with Bosworth.

But Philly fans don't want their players paid much and they just want them to, like, ram their head into a wall.

It hasn't changed, Scott.

It hasn't changed.

Philly is one of the places not to get off the game here in the Eagles, but I feel like I've, you know, every once in a while I'll talk to people that are like, hey, I'm going to watch a Ranger game in Baltimore or pick a spot, doesn't matter.

Or I'm going to see the Cowboys play up in or out in Arizona or something like that.

And Philly is probably one of the only places where I would say, I would not wear your team's gear into that stadium.

And I remember that being from as a kid, even this feeling like there's just something different.

Right.

There's going to be violence now.

Since then, there's probably maybe a few others where it feels like it's actually unfolded.

The weird Dodger Giant thing where it feels like there's been violence a few times over the last few years.

Years.

But Philly still has that.

Yeah, by all means.

I mean, there's no way, you know, Ray, like, I feel like 20, 23 were.

We almost.

Could we have had a Philly Texas.

We could have.

Yeah.

D backs.

Did they make it all the way back?

D backs were down 3, 2 in the NLCS to the Phillies.

And I wonder they go back to.

To Citizens bank and they lose both those games to.

Oh, yeah.

I remember us in the.

In the driveway.

I remember sitting there having a couple beers because.

And I was like, we want the D backs.

Like, I want the Phillies.

I want it to be good.

I was like, I want to win.

I want the D back.

Yeah.

And I think again, to me it was more like.

I think in the history of this, 30 years from now, people are looking back, it's going to be cooler to say the Rangers beat the Phillies than the Rangers.

Here's the thing.

I didn't disagree with you at the time.

You were.

You were right.

It would have been a more entertaining World Series for sure.

Yeah.

But I felt like we were going to undeniably beat.

We were so hot at the time, I knew that we would beat the D backs.

Well.

And all this to say, thinking about that.

I don't know if maybe the World Series is different and there's so many of you There, hopefully.

But I don't think I am.

Can.

If I can shoehorn this in.

Because right now we're in the midst of the World Cup.

Yeah.

And I got to go to a game in Kansas City, and it was Netherlands versus Tunisia.

Yes.

And we, like, noticed.

Right.

What's that?

Do we love Netherlands?

I. I was.

Yeah, we.

We went in orange.

I got the Netherlands player.

Is that Erlang Holland?

No, he's Norway.

Okay.

They've got Virgil Van Dyke.

They've got a couple.

They've got a few Liverpool players.

Liverpool's my club.

That was anyway, touch for the entire run of this.

No, we're gonna do.

So I noticed at the.

At the park, because they played at Arrowhead, I noticed there were a ton of people in Mexico jerseys.

Like a lot.

A lot.

Like hundreds.

Yeah.

And they were all holding up these signs that said no.

And I'm going to butcher this, but it said no ERA P. Now.

So I was like, I don't know if this is like a political statement.

Like, I was.

I was in the dumb zone as far as sports fan goes.

Like, I was just there to enjoy the atmosphere and stuff.

But I went, finally went back and looked.

Oh, gosh.

And these people, these.

These Mexican fans had these signs from something that happened 12 years ago.

Like, we went to the Orange Walk parade.

Like, you know they do.

Did you see that on online, they'll do the Orange Walk parades.

No.

So, like, basically before the game, they have this orange bus and they lead basically this big Dutch parade.

Well, there were people at the game, at the parade, on the sides in Mexico jerseys holding these signs up that basically like, oh, my God, this play wasn't a penalty.

And it was 12 years later.

That's awesome.

So, like, I was thinking, though, like, in the World cup, you would see.

At a World cup event, you would see, like, people didn't care.

Like, they were just wearing jerseys from all over and like, ever.

It was such a fun, loving environment.

It was so.

It was so different from what, like an angry American.

Like, you know, this game right here, you know that there was fights between.

Not to say that doesn't happen now, because it obviously does.

We see it on Twitter every Sunday.

Every Sunday during the football season, sure.

But like, and Saturday with college.

But, like, I felt like people were just kind of like holding those no ERA penal signs and everybody was just kind of shrugging and hugging And.

Yeah.

Slapping beers and stuff.

But it was so weird.

Like, when you bring the world together, everybody's just kind of cool.

Yeah.

And it was just like, you know that these two fan bases were absolutely brawling before, during and after the game.

Exactly.

Yeah.

That is.

But I mean.

And I think.

Did one of you or Alan.

I feel like Synthetics and just kind of like the beauty of how the World Cup.

Yes.

Shows that side.

Yeah.

You know, and how everyone is still.

I guess, even though you're holding a grudge from 12 years ago, you're doing it kind of in a fun way or.

I don't know, fun.

I mean.

But one of those fans wasn't prepared to strike a.

You know, a fan of the Netherlands is what I'm saying.

Right.

It was kind of.

Hey, don't forget, people traveling from other countries into our country to watch the World cup, you're not getting, like, hooligans.

You're not getting street hooligans.

You're getting.

You're getting people that are there to enjoy the game, watch the game.

Chances are they've got enough wealth to go and watch other games and just enjoy it.

Happens once every four years.

They just go and make a vacation out of it, you know, at whatever country it's in.

But it was, like.

It genuinely was one of the most jovial like, sports events I've ever been in.

Like, people were just deliriously happy to just be there and be watching their country and.

Yeah.

You know, like, it was just.

It was just cool to kind of witness, you know, that.

And especially because that's first time we've had the World cup in, what, 30 something years.

So.

You know, I was thinking about when you talked earlier in the podcast about how your dad would send you up on the roof of your house to.

Well, I didn't get up there.

I'm not dying.

I was like, yeah, he would do it.

Okay.

I was only like, someone's getting on the roof to point the.

The antenna or satellite or whatever.

Did you ever have to, like, do that?

No.

I mean, y' all were.

Y' all were close enough to Houston.

Probably.

Yeah.

I have no memory.

But, like, you would have to open the front door.

You have to have somebody at the tv.

You'd have to put it on the channel.

So CBS in.

In Dallas Fort Worth was four.

This was on six in Wichita Falls.

You have to have somebody on the tv, somebody at the front door to relay, and then you would tilt and twist the antenna until the image got basically watchable.

Yeah, well, I can remember doing that when satellite first really became a thing.

So like Dish Net, DirecTV, and we did the route where you didn't pay for them.

They just shipped us the stuff with like a book of instruction.

And then it was install your own.

That's how we did it.

I feel like we were at.

Let's see, we were in Keller, and I want to say my buddy Charlie got on the roof.

I was in the living room, which I don't know how I got that, you know, lucky spot when it was my house.

Amy was at the door as the go between vocally because we couldn't hear each other otherwise, you know, so I would be like, you know, and I.

And I feel like it gave you a reading, like a number, a strength.

It did or something.

Or whatever.

And.

And what?

You know, whatever.

But the point I was going to get to was here you guys are climbing up on the roof to repoint the.

The antenna to watch the 4 and 12 Cowboys in the World cup.

The United States played and beat Bosnia Herzegovina.

Okay.

I wanted to watch it.

Even though I'm not really that into the World Cup, I've been paying attention just to the outcomes.

And yeah, there's been several games that have been on Peacock or YouTube TV.

If not all of them, I guess.

I think Peacock's got the Spanish.

Okay.

Which I didn't really care because I'd have been fine Telemundo or just.

Or learning Spanish by watching Telemundo.

So anyways, we were logged out of YouTube TV.

Okay.

And I couldn't remember the password.

And I didn't want to go through the reset process.

Why did we do this to ourselves?

And that's how big of a quick of a give up it was.

So now I'm sitting here thinking, would I potentially climbed on the roof for that game?

No, I wouldn't have.

I don't think I'm gonna do that for many.

I mean, it's gonna take something really special.

I just don't know why we.

It's the most infuriating experience resetting passwords, finding passwords when you need it.

Like if I want to watch a no hitter in Milwaukee, the ninth inning of a no hitter, and then I go to my MLB app and it's been like 10 days since I've watched a game through that.

Yeah, hey, we need your password.

It's like, guys, seriously, like, seriously.

Well, my thought too was last night.

I was like.

Because I guess.

Yeah, yeah.

So Peacock didn't even have it on at All.

I don't think I. I bet you they don't have access to the US Game.

Yeah, but that's a.

Because I did go there to check and we were locked in there or whatever.

But then I was just like, ah, yeah.

And then I.

And it was 1 0, so it was already.

Whatever.

Probably over halfway through, I think, when they scored.

Right.

So, yeah, I was kind of like, ah, they got this.

I'm not gonna worry about it.

And it was just going to kind of be background.

I mean, I don't really lock in on soccer.

That's when you start watching another 30 for 30 with some sterling soap decaf.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

But I don't know.

So the, the, the.

The relation of kind of what you're talking about there with the fandom.

I say the same thing.

Just even here, I was just like, not.

Yeah.

I'm not putting the effort in.

Right.

Putting the effort in for that.

Well, back to the game real quick.

So the game's not very good, I think.

The Eagles.

The Eagles score three touchdowns in the third.

It's kind of tight in the first half.

The only reason we really remember this game is because of what happens with the injuries and Buddy.

And.

Yeah, well, I mean.

Yeah, what happens with the injuries, obviously, the, the, the circus surrounding the game.

But, you know, both teams finished the year at 10 and 6.

The Eagles have the tiebreaker, and then they come back for a wild card game in veterans, and the Redskins blow them out.

It's like 20 to 6, 20 to 7.

Yeah, something like that.

And then the Redskins go to San Francisco and get beat by Montana, which would be their last Super Bowl.

Last charge, kind of.

Yeah.

And that would be that.

Who'd they play in 91?

The Redskins.

Is that the first Bills loss or 92?

Well, then I thought the Niners.

No, you're right.

It's the Giants.

It's.

It's the Norway bowl or the Norwood Bowl.

It's.

That's the kick.

Yeah, that's the 91 Super bowl this year because the Redskins will win the following year.

91.

They'll win the 92 Super Bowl.

Super Bowl.

Yeah, exactly.

I believe over the Broncos.

Yeah.

But anyway, so a couple things that came out of this since we're kind of wrapping this up, but a couple things that came out of this was the three quarterback rule.

Yeah.

That you got to keep the third quarterback on your sidelines.

And they didn't have to be part of the 50 or it's at the time it was 45 man roster.

So that came out of this game basically.

They basically allowed you to have a third emergency quarterback who was not on the roster but could come in if both quarterbacks.

I don't like it.

I love this.

I love the way this game went down again.

That's the thing too.

Now I don't even know.

Do you need this third quarterback rule with all the rules protecting the quarterbacks?

Sure.

Something could still happen,.

Though.

It's like, it's so freak and it's.

So like when it does randomly happen.

Yeah.

I don't want to see this guy.

I want to see you take your kick returner or receiver or some kid that played high school quarterback and say, this is our guy, you know, And I feel like that happened.

And who was the running back a few years ago, I believe for the Vikings, that became the quarterback late in the game because of something like this.

And it.

Was it Jerick McKinnon.

Does that ring a bell?

Like, he was a good.

Derek McKinnon definitely is a running back.

I don't know if he played for.

Did he play for the Vikings?

Was he a 49er or who was he?

I mean, he kind of was a journeyman.

Okay.

He kind of played for a few.

In my head it was the Vikings, but I may be off on that.

Yeah.

The reason I really know, I remember this is because the fantasy implications.

Okay.

Because then it was like he had quarterback eligibility.

Maybe because he played well.

That was.

All of a sudden you could start running back at quarterback.

As our commissioner, the.

Taysom Hill was when.

Yeah.

Remember Taysom Hill was a tight end.

Yes.

And basically you could play him at tight end, but he was playing at quarterback.

That was the problem.

Exactly.

For that.

But Buddy Ryan doesn't last the season.

No.

He gets fired after this.

They go 10 and 6.

They lose that opening wild card game.

Yeah, he gets fired.

Both teams do well from this point.

They both, I believe, go five and seven or five out of seven.

Five and two.

Yeah.

I should say to finish it.

Yeah, you're right.

They do good.

They do play.

Both teams are.

They're very evenly matched.

Do you think Buddy Ryan, you know, again, high expectations with the Eagles, for sure.

Feel like, you know, he was probably catching some heat.

But do you think ownership is also like a little afraid of his mouth?

I do think that at a certain point ownership just gets tired of him answering those questions.

Every week you're answering questions about Buddy's behavior and not the product on the field.

And that's just if you're not winning, that's just going to take its toll.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Winning basically cures that and allows that.

And I think we see that all the time in sports where it's like kind of, how does this person get away with this?

Well, they're winning and there's different rules when you're winning.

Right.

Also, a couple of quick things before we wrap this up because we're getting close.

The.

Did you by chance see the Kevin Gilbride fight with Buddy across.

Come across your YouTube?

No, it didn't, but I do have a vague memory of it.

The.

The thing that, the thing that I really loved though, during that fight was the Oilers colors and their jackets or starter jackets and stuff.

Like I always, unfortunately, being in Dallas, you know, it's sacrilegious to wear oiler stuff, of course, like Warren Moon and the run and shoot offense and stuff was always a lot of fun, especially when the Cowboys were bad.

You could cheer for that.

And also good fantasy.

They warn Moon was fantasy gold monster.

Yeah.

But I enjoyed the light blue.

I don't know if that was a powder blue like with the Chargers, but it's close.

Yeah.

And then the red and the white.

I love it.

I love it there.

I love it.

Like those Phillies teams, the red and the maroon.

I love the red.

Or the.

Or I'm sorry, not the red.

The powder blue and the maroon.

Yeah.

Even the old brave stuff from.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like those Dale Murphy pictures where he's wearing the blue and navy.

Because I think that that's part of their.

Either their city connect or their alternates.

It is.

I think their city connects are powder blue, I believe.

The first batch.

Right.

Yeah.

I don't know if they've changed it, but.

But Buddy Ryan.

Yeah.

Just throwing punches on the sideline.

I mean, and he's.

He's got to be like 5, 5, 5, 6, just a little tiny guy.

Yeah.

And you know that Bears documentary too.

Very much.

It's.

It's just as much about the struggle and, and between, like you said, the 2 Alpha office.

Yeah.

And how the players.

That was the interesting thing to me.

Most of those players kind of viewed it as this is Buddy's team, especially the defensive players for sure.

And then some of the offensive players had a.

Well, what get law gets lost.

Especially with the Bears.

Not to.

Not to go down this path.

But Ditka was a tight end.

Yeah.

Like Ditka was a very good tight end.

Like, in fact, I think he had some rookie records for a long time before the, the tight end kind of came along.

And because I think he caught a lot of balls as rookie year, I think he was very, very successful.

But you know, Buddy's got the two kids that have been coaches, you know, a little nepotism, little nepo babies, but they've been varying degrees of successful, but both of them are very outlandish and very outspoken.

Yeah.

And people really, you know, attract to them based upon that.

So his legacy will, you know, continue.

Yeah.

In the football world for a long time.

I think there's more positive than negative to it.

You know, just the mark he's made is, is big in a positive way.

And this stuff like this game, again, he was a little bit, you know, his outspoken nature and him calling it, you know, ahead of time that they're going to be hauled off in body bags.

It's a little wwf, but at the same time, the NFL was a little bit more WWF at that time, you know, and so I don't know that it's completely.

Again, I don't want to say this wasn't a shocking game because it was even for that time.

But nonetheless, I think Buddy was just kind of one of the more crazy characters of that time.

But he's still very much fit.

I just don't.

I. I do think this game would been remembered because of the, of the quote unquote bodies that ended up in bags.

But, but without the bounty bowl, you know, in this reputation that had continued to grow.

Like, I don't know if we're, if this game's just a small asterisk or whatever.

And obviously it's bigger because of everything that came before it.

But hey, a couple of quotes from Buddy Ryan over the years.

I wanted to hit you with this before we ended.

Love it.

Love it.

One of my favorite ones was he was asked about the injury status of a player and Buddy responded, I don't know what his status is.

I don't even know who he is.

You imagine that getting back to the locker room.

He also said Some say the 46 is just an eight man front.

That's like saying Marilyn Monroe is just a girl.

And he had one more.

Coaches didn't like it because it made them look bad.

We hit a lot of quarterbacks.

Of course he's talking about the 46 defense and that was one of the things coaches were a little tender about.

Yeah, I mean it did lead.

You kind of hinted at it earlier, but you know, defenses that would specifically go after the Quarterback to take them out of the game is the reason why we have as many protection rules as we do nowadays.

Exactly.

Great strategy.

While it lasted.

While it lasted.

Yeah.

Got him a Super Bowl.

Not really humane we're gonna say anymore.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Overall, like you like, you know, like we said, great time capsule.

Great.

You know, I think it's definitely worth re watching the whole game because yeah.

You know, the moments we didn't even talk about.

Just the Monday night aspect.

This is a Monday Night Football game.

Yeah.

You know, I mean you obviously talked about Alan and Deardorf but like I just remember fighting against sleep.

Yes.

At On Monday nights to just try to stay up and watch the end of the game.

Like just to watch because you were especially you know with.

With the Cowboys being as bad as they were.

You just didn't get quality football and you know, being 10, 11, 12, 13 and getting to watch these games on Monday night and then being good games and big games every.

To me every game felt like it was enormous.

And sometimes you get to watch some west coast games.

You get to watch Bo Jackson, you know, and those guys, the Niners and things like that.

And it just the, the, the, the.

The pageantry, the, the theatric, the you know, the theater of the, of the event.

The event was always so much fun as a kid and that watching this brought it back.

No doubt.

Of course I'm so.

I would like I could stay up for sports, you know, even the years before this.

But really the first time I remember that happening was the 88 World Series.

Okay.

And I had been grounded for the first half I'd ever gotten on my report card.

Got an F. You got an F. History.

History.

Yeah.

It was a, it was a.

It was a honest mistake in that I didn't understand that by not turning something in a zero.

Yeah.

Counted as a zero.

I thought it was just like just don't put that one in the average skip that he didn't turn it in.

So it's just an X.

How, how could you.

How could you grade my attempt when there was no attempt, sir.

Exactly.

Ms. Blouser was the name of the the team.

Any relationship Blouser FORMER BRAVES SHORTSTOP probably.

Could have been looked looks similar.

I would say so the.

But my dad in that 88 World Series and really even in the playoffs it said yeah, you can stay up and watch this with me.

You can stay up and watch this.

Which then of course leads to one of my Favorite moments ever in sports is Kirk Gibson's home run.

And that is devastating.

I always tie that, that game, that moment.

Just continuing to build this love of baseball was around that moment.

But that I tie it so closely to my dad, allowing me to have that moment and to be up, up and watching that game with him, even though I had gotten an F in Mrs. Blouser's.

Yeah, sixth grade or whatever.

That would have been history class.

So.