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132: Not Your Average Brodie
Episode 13230th March 2026 • Febrile • Sara Dong
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Drs. Veronica Santos, Sebastian Shrager, and Misti Ellsworth share a not so typical case of Brodie abscess!

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Sara Dong:

Hi everyone.

Sara Dong:

Welcome to Febrile, a cultured podcast about all things infectious disease.

Sara Dong:

We use consult questions to dive into ID clinical reasoning, diagnostics,

Sara Dong:

and antimicrobial management.

Sara Dong:

I'm Sara Dong, your host.

Sara Dong:

I'll start by introducing our guests for this episode.

Sara Dong:

First up is Dr. Veronica Santos.

Sara Dong:

She completed medical school at the University of Puerto Rico and is currently

Sara Dong:

a second year in pediatrics residency at University Texas or UT Health Houston.

Veronica Santos:

Hi, I am Veronica Santos.

Sara Dong:

We have a returning guest, Dr. Misti Ellsworth.

Sara Dong:

She's an Associate Professor of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at McGovern

Sara Dong:

Medical School and UT Health Houston.

Misti Ellsworth:

Hi, Misti Ellsworth!

Sara Dong:

And rounding out the team, we have Dr. Sebastian Shrager.

Sara Dong:

He completed his pediatric residency at Broward Health in Fort Lauderdale,

Sara Dong:

Florida before completing a fellowship in Infectious Diseases at the University of

Sara Dong:

Texas Medical Center in Houston, Texas.

Sara Dong:

He just started his job as an attending at Wolfson Children's

Sara Dong:

Hospital in Jacksonville, Florida.

Sebastian Shrager:

Hi, I am Sebastian Shrager.

Sara Dong:

As everyone's favorite cultured podcast, we like to kick

Sara Dong:

off the show by asking our guests to talk about a little piece of culture.

Sara Dong:

Really just something non-work, non-medical related

Sara Dong:

that brings you happiness.

Sara Dong:

So, Veronica, maybe I'll start with you.

Veronica Santos:

Sure.

Veronica Santos:

Um, I've been reading a book, We Are Liars, which is now a Hulu series.

Veronica Santos:

I've been really enjoying this book and plan on reading the pre sequel after this.

Sara Dong:

Very nice.

Sara Dong:

Sebastian, how about you?

Sebastian Shrager:

Yeah, so, uh, I'm, I'm really excited for the World Cup.

Sebastian Shrager:

It's coming to the United States this summer, and I have, uh, tickets to

Sebastian Shrager:

Germany-Ecuador, and France-Norway.

Sebastian Shrager:

I'm super pumped.

Sebastian Shrager:

I'm a big soccer fan and I can't wait.

Sara Dong:

It's so exciting.

Sara Dong:

Yeah.

Sara Dong:

It's gonna be, it's gonna be awesome.

Sara Dong:

Um, and Misti, how about you?

Misti Ellsworth:

So I spend most of my free time attending and

Misti Ellsworth:

embarrassing my tweens and teenagers at sporting events and performances.

Misti Ellsworth:

When I'm not embarrassing my kids, I like to read and I'm also really

Misti Ellsworth:

enjoying the, uh, Shrinking series.

Sara Dong:

All right, well, today's consult question I have heard is about

Sara Dong:

ankle pain, so I will hand it over to Veronica to tell us about this patient.

Veronica Santos:

Yes.

Veronica Santos:

So to start with, we have a 14-year-old female.

Veronica Santos:

She came in with chronic, intermittent right ankle pain for the past three

Veronica Santos:

years, and she presented with acute worsening over the last 10 days.

Veronica Santos:

Her right ankle pain was intensified during soccer practice.

Veronica Santos:

Three days later, pain worsened and she was now unable to

Veronica Santos:

bear weight on her right foot.

Veronica Santos:

She had two separate visits to urgent care where x-rays were normal and her

Veronica Santos:

pain was attributed to tendonitis.

Veronica Santos:

On day nine, after orthopedics evaluation, MRI of the right foot and labs were done.

Veronica Santos:

On initial exam, her vitals were notable for temperature of 98.2, heart rate of 84,

Veronica Santos:

blood pressure of 115/60, respiratory rate of 15 and saturating at 97% in room air.

Veronica Santos:

On focused physical exam, she had swelling diffusely about the right

Veronica Santos:

heel with tenderness to palpation and a positive squeeze test.

Veronica Santos:

There was no erythema, warmth, or induration noticed and sensation

Veronica Santos:

and active movements were intact.

Veronica Santos:

Her initial labs were significant for a marked increase in inflammatory

Veronica Santos:

markers with no leukocytosis.

Veronica Santos:

Her CRP was 115 and her ESR was 39.

Veronica Santos:

She had slight decrease of hemoglobin to 11.8 with normal platelet count.

Veronica Santos:

Further workup included right ankle MRI, which was remarkable for a

Veronica Santos:

3.8 cm proteinaceous cyst in the calcaneal tuberosity with adjacent

Veronica Santos:

patchy marrow edema and enhancement suggestive of a Brodie's abscess.

Veronica Santos:

The MRI was also notable for edema and enhancement of the quadratus plantae

Veronica Santos:

muscle with a intramuscular fluid collection suggestive of myositis

Veronica Santos:

with possible early polymyositis.

Veronica Santos:

Sebastian, based on this initial presentation, what is your

Veronica Santos:

differential diagnosis so far and would you treat empirically?

Sebastian Shrager:

Yeah, so great history.

Sebastian Shrager:

So Staph aureus is king here.

Sebastian Shrager:

That's the most common organism by far.

Sebastian Shrager:

You can also see Group A Strep and Strep pneumo, which still show up.

Sebastian Shrager:

She's a little too old for Kingella.

Sebastian Shrager:

Um, so that's lower in the differential and she's not immunocompromised or using

Sebastian Shrager:

IV drugs, so Pseudomonas is less likely.

Sebastian Shrager:

And then without sickle cell disease, Salmonella drops way down the list.

Sebastian Shrager:

That said, Brodie abscesses can be absolutely polymicrobial.

Sebastian Shrager:

Management wise, this is where people sometimes jump too fast for antibiotics.

Sebastian Shrager:

If the kid looks stable and not septic, I'd actually hold antibiotics

Sebastian Shrager:

and call our friends in orthopedics.

Sebastian Shrager:

Incision and drainage gives you the best chance of finding a bug and holding off

Sebastian Shrager:

on antibiotics will increase that yield.

Veronica Santos:

What if they say no to an I&D (incision & drainage)?

Sebastian Shrager:

Yeah.

Sebastian Shrager:

Um, well, I'll try to persuade them first, but if they still say no, then

Sebastian Shrager:

cefazolin alone is totally reasonable.

Sebastian Shrager:

It covers MSSA well and makes oral step down easy to cephalexin, or

Sebastian Shrager:

cefadroxil, which are great PO options.

Sebastian Shrager:

If you're living in a MRSA heavy area, then vancomycin makes sense.

Sebastian Shrager:

And then if you want to also cover gram-negatives and MRSA, you could

Sebastian Shrager:

do ceftriaxone and vancomycin.

Veronica Santos:

Those are all great differentials.

Veronica Santos:

Now how about I give you more history to see if we can add anything else?

Veronica Santos:

She was born term with no complications.

Veronica Santos:

Her only medical history is tendinitis of her right ankle for the past three years.

Veronica Santos:

She has no pertinent surgical history or family history.

Veronica Santos:

Her vaccines are up to date.

Veronica Santos:

She does have pertinent travel history that include a trip to Galveston

Veronica Santos:

Beach in Texas where she stabbed her right ankle on a piece of wood.

Veronica Santos:

The piece of wood was spontaneously expelled from the

Veronica Santos:

puncture site two weeks later.

Veronica Santos:

About five months prior to presentation, she also went swimming in Pensacola

Veronica Santos:

Beach, Florida, and about two and a half months prior, she went

Veronica Santos:

swimming on Canvasback Lake, Texas.

Veronica Santos:

She refers exposure to multiple animals, including ticks, fleas,

Veronica Santos:

mosquitoes, horses, cattle, chickens, possums, iguanas, and even field mice.

Veronica Santos:

And she also has two vaccinated dogs.

Veronica Santos:

How does your differential change now with this additional history, Sebastian?

Sebastian Shrager:

So be careful when you go to Galveston Beach, it looks like,

Sebastian Shrager:

'cause you can get poked with a stick.

Sebastian Shrager:

Um, now this case gets more interesting because of the water and wood exposure.

Sebastian Shrager:

Uh, you have to think about Mycobacteria marinum, which loves salt and brackish

Sebastian Shrager:

waters, and fits a slow indolent course.

Sebastian Shrager:

The Vibrio species as well, especially vulnificus and alginolyticus,

Sebastian Shrager:

even though we usually think of them as more aggressive.

Sebastian Shrager:

She also swam in lakes, so Aeromonas hydrophilia comes into play plus

Sebastian Shrager:

rapid growing mycobacteria, since they're literally everywhere,

Sebastian Shrager:

everywhere in all water and soil.

Sebastian Shrager:

The wood exposure opens the door to fungi like Sporothrix schenckii, probably

Sebastian Shrager:

lower on the list, but not zero, which really drives home the key point.

Sebastian Shrager:

Send the bone.

Sebastian Shrager:

Get aerobic, anaerobic, AFB and fungal cultures because with Brodie's abscesses,

Sebastian Shrager:

especially with environmental exposure, the diagnosis lives in the microbiology.

Sebastian Shrager:

I'd also keep a sample on the side to send the PCR testing, just

Sebastian Shrager:

in case the cultures don't grow.

Veronica Santos:

We really do have a broad differential.

Veronica Santos:

I think at this point we're all ready to get some answers.

Veronica Santos:

So our patient underwent two I&Ds by orthopedics.

Veronica Santos:

To our surprise, the pathology and cultures sent from the operating room

Veronica Santos:

revealed Vibrio vulnificus causing acute osteomyelitis, Brodies abscesses,

Veronica Santos:

myositis and bursitis of the right ankle.

Veronica Santos:

The patient was then transitioned from IV vancomycin and piperacillin-tazobactam

Veronica Santos:

to ceftriaxone and doxycycline.

Veronica Santos:

Sebastian, can you talk more on Brodie's abscess, because this

Veronica Santos:

is one of those diagnoses that feel rare and it actually is.

Sebastian Shrager:

Yeah, exactly.

Sebastian Shrager:

Yeah.

Sebastian Shrager:

So first off, pediatric osteomyelitis overall isn't that common?

Sebastian Shrager:

It's only about 2 - 20 cases per a hundred thousand kids, and Brodie abscess

Sebastian Shrager:

makes up only around 2% of those cases.

Sebastian Shrager:

So you're already dealing with something pretty unusual, and what makes it

Sebastian Shrager:

tricky is that it's, it's not your classic toxic looking osteomyelitis.

Sebastian Shrager:

A Brodie abscess is really a subacute form of hematogenous osteomyelitis.

Sebastian Shrager:

Instead of widespread infection, you get this localized intraosseous abscess,

Sebastian Shrager:

basically a smoldering infection that the immune system has partially contained.

Veronica Santos:

Which makes sense in kids, right?

Sebastian Shrager:

Yeah, totally.

Sebastian Shrager:

So most pediatric osteomyelitis comes from the bloodstream, right?

Sebastian Shrager:

And the growth plates have this unique vascular anatomy with

Sebastian Shrager:

slow flow, looping vessels.

Sebastian Shrager:

Bacteria get in.

Sebastian Shrager:

The immune system walls it off, and instead of clearing it, you

Sebastian Shrager:

end up with the Brodie's abscess.

Sebastian Shrager:

Location wise, Brodie's abscesses love long bones.

Sebastian Shrager:

Tibia is the big one, about half of the cases, and then the femur.

Sebastian Shrager:

And interestingly, uh, Brodie abscesses tend to involve the diaphysis more

Sebastian Shrager:

than the metaphysis, which is a little different from what we usually think

Sebastian Shrager:

about with acute osteomyelitis in kids.

Veronica Santos:

We were all surprised by Vibrio vulnificus

Veronica Santos:

being the causative agent.

Veronica Santos:

Dr. Ellsworth, can you share more on why this was such an unusual case?

Misti Ellsworth:

So what made this case really interesting to us is

Misti Ellsworth:

how completely un-Vibrio it was.

Misti Ellsworth:

So when we think about Vibrio vulnificus, we usually think about

Misti Ellsworth:

very dramatic, very fast infections.

Misti Ellsworth:

So someone cuts their leg in seawater and within days they're septic.

Misti Ellsworth:

They've got hemorrhagic bullae, necrotizing fasciitis.

Misti Ellsworth:

Sometimes they end up even in the ICU.

Misti Ellsworth:

Osteomyelitis just isn't what comes to mind when we think of this bug.

Misti Ellsworth:

And in fact, when you look at the literature, Vibrio

Misti Ellsworth:

osteomyelitis is incredibly rare.

Misti Ellsworth:

Most of what's out there are single case reports.

Misti Ellsworth:

There aren't any case series and there aren't guidelines talking about it,

Misti Ellsworth:

and Vibrio doesn't even show up on the usual list of osteomyelitis pathogens.

Misti Ellsworth:

One of the few detailed reports is from the Journal of Infectious

Misti Ellsworth:

Diseases in 1990, and that case really mirrors what we saw.

Misti Ellsworth:

In that report, the patient had a fairly typical exposure, brackish water and a

Misti Ellsworth:

skin injury, but instead of progressing rapidly, the infection kind of smoldered.

Misti Ellsworth:

He initially improved with the antibiotics, but over the course

Misti Ellsworth:

of weeks to months, he developed worsening pain and swelling and

Misti Ellsworth:

eventually imaging showed osteomyelitis.

Misti Ellsworth:

The total time course was about 13 weeks, which is just not how

Misti Ellsworth:

we're taught that Vibrio behaves.

Misti Ellsworth:

That's what made our patients so challenging.

Misti Ellsworth:

There was no explosive presentation, no early sepsis, no

Misti Ellsworth:

necrotizing soft tissue infection.

Misti Ellsworth:

It said it almost looked like an orthopedic or an inflammatory

Misti Ellsworth:

condition at first with this chronic pain, local tenderness, no skin

Misti Ellsworth:

findings, and that really delayed the diagnosis in this patient.

Misti Ellsworth:

What's striking is that Vibrio infections are usually the opposite of indolent.

Misti Ellsworth:

Large surveillance studies showed that they present as gastroenteritis,

Misti Ellsworth:

wound infections, or primary septicemia, not chronic bone disease.

Misti Ellsworth:

Even during outbreaks, osteomyelitis is almost unheard of, and one Israeli

Misti Ellsworth:

outbreak with over 60 invasive cases, only one patient developed

Misti Ellsworth:

osteomyelitis, and there's not a whole lot of details in that case.

Misti Ellsworth:

So the big takeaway for us was this.

Misti Ellsworth:

Marine exposure plus persistent focal symptoms should keep

Misti Ellsworth:

Vibrio on the differential, even if the timeline feels wrong.

Misti Ellsworth:

Partial treatment, early antibiotics, or lack of source control may

Misti Ellsworth:

blunt that classic fulminant course and allow a deep infection like

Misti Ellsworth:

osteomyelitis to slowly declare itself.

Misti Ellsworth:

And finally, this case is a good reminder that when symptoms don't resolve,

Misti Ellsworth:

especially pain, repeating imaging and getting deep cultures really matter.

Misti Ellsworth:

Because even organisms we think of fast and furious can occasionally surprise

Misti Ellsworth:

us by being slow, quiet, and sneaky.

Veronica Santos:

Thankfully despite the chronicity of this

Veronica Santos:

infection and it being Vibrio, our patient had really good outcomes.

Veronica Santos:

On day 15, the second OR culture was positive for Vibrio vulnificus.

Veronica Santos:

On day 16, her inflammatory markers were down trending, and the patient

Veronica Santos:

was doing better clinically.

Veronica Santos:

After completing three days of IV antibiotics, she was sent home with

Veronica Santos:

one month supply of doxycycline.

Veronica Santos:

Patient was followed up in clinic one month after.

Veronica Santos:

At this point, inflammatory markers continue to downtrend with ESR

Veronica Santos:

at 41 and CRP less than three.

Veronica Santos:

The patient completed 12 more days of doxycycline for a total of 42 days.

Veronica Santos:

On day of completion, her ESR level was at 19 and CRP

Veronica Santos:

continued to be less than three.

Veronica Santos:

The patient was later cleared by orthopedics to return to soccer play.

Veronica Santos:

The takeaway from all of this is to think that Brodie's abscess can be subacute,

Veronica Santos:

smoldering, a form of osteomylitis that often lacks systemic toxicity.

Veronica Santos:

When able, as Sebastian said, always send the bone, deep OR culture

Veronica Santos:

should include aerobic, anaerobic, AFB, and fungal cultures, especially

Veronica Santos:

with environmental exposures.

Veronica Santos:

Plus marine exposures and persistent focal pain should always keep

Veronica Santos:

Vibrio on the differential, even when the timeline feels wrong.

Misti Ellsworth:

Thanks so much to Veronica, Sebastian, and

Misti Ellsworth:

Misti for joining Febrile today.

Misti Ellsworth:

Don't forget to check out the website febrilepodcast.com, where

Misti Ellsworth:

you'll find the Consult Notes, which are our written show notes for the

Misti Ellsworth:

episodes with links to references, our library of ID infographics,

Misti Ellsworth:

and a link to our merch store.

Misti Ellsworth:

Febrile is produced with support from the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

Misti Ellsworth:

Please reach out if you have any suggestions for future shows or

Misti Ellsworth:

wanna be more involved with Febrile.

Misti Ellsworth:

Thanks for listening.

Misti Ellsworth:

Stay safe and I'll see you next time.

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