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Hi everyone.
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Welcome to Febrile, a cultured podcast about all things infectious disease.
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We use consult questions to dive into ID clinical reasoning, diagnostics,
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and antimicrobial management.
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I'm Sara Dong, your host.
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I'll start by introducing our guests for this episode.
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First up is Dr. Veronica Santos.
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She completed medical school at the University of Puerto Rico and is currently
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a second year in pediatrics residency at University Texas or UT Health Houston.
Veronica Santos:
Hi, I am Veronica Santos.
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We have a returning guest, Dr. Misti Ellsworth.
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She's an Associate Professor of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at McGovern
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Medical School and UT Health Houston.
Misti Ellsworth:
Hi, Misti Ellsworth!
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And rounding out the team, we have Dr. Sebastian Shrager.
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He completed his pediatric residency at Broward Health in Fort Lauderdale,
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Florida before completing a fellowship in Infectious Diseases at the University of
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Texas Medical Center in Houston, Texas.
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He just started his job as an attending at Wolfson Children's
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Hospital in Jacksonville, Florida.
Sebastian Shrager:
Hi, I am Sebastian Shrager.
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As everyone's favorite cultured podcast, we like to kick
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off the show by asking our guests to talk about a little piece of culture.
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Really just something non-work, non-medical related
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that brings you happiness.
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So, Veronica, maybe I'll start with you.
Veronica Santos:
Sure.
Veronica Santos:
Um, I've been reading a book, We Are Liars, which is now a Hulu series.
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I've been really enjoying this book and plan on reading the pre sequel after this.
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Very nice.
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Sebastian, how about you?
Sebastian Shrager:
Yeah, so, uh, I'm, I'm really excited for the World Cup.
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It's coming to the United States this summer, and I have, uh, tickets to
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Germany-Ecuador, and France-Norway.
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I'm super pumped.
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I'm a big soccer fan and I can't wait.
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It's so exciting.
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Yeah.
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It's gonna be, it's gonna be awesome.
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Um, and Misti, how about you?
Misti Ellsworth:
So I spend most of my free time attending and
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embarrassing my tweens and teenagers at sporting events and performances.
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When I'm not embarrassing my kids, I like to read and I'm also really
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enjoying the, uh, Shrinking series.
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All right, well, today's consult question I have heard is about
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ankle pain, so I will hand it over to Veronica to tell us about this patient.
Veronica Santos:
Yes.
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So to start with, we have a 14-year-old female.
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She came in with chronic, intermittent right ankle pain for the past three
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years, and she presented with acute worsening over the last 10 days.
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Her right ankle pain was intensified during soccer practice.
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Three days later, pain worsened and she was now unable to
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bear weight on her right foot.
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She had two separate visits to urgent care where x-rays were normal and her
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pain was attributed to tendonitis.
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On day nine, after orthopedics evaluation, MRI of the right foot and labs were done.
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On initial exam, her vitals were notable for temperature of 98.2, heart rate of 84,
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blood pressure of 115/60, respiratory rate of 15 and saturating at 97% in room air.
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On focused physical exam, she had swelling diffusely about the right
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heel with tenderness to palpation and a positive squeeze test.
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There was no erythema, warmth, or induration noticed and sensation
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and active movements were intact.
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Her initial labs were significant for a marked increase in inflammatory
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markers with no leukocytosis.
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Her CRP was 115 and her ESR was 39.
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She had slight decrease of hemoglobin to 11.8 with normal platelet count.
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Further workup included right ankle MRI, which was remarkable for a
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3.8 cm proteinaceous cyst in the calcaneal tuberosity with adjacent
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patchy marrow edema and enhancement suggestive of a Brodie's abscess.
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The MRI was also notable for edema and enhancement of the quadratus plantae
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muscle with a intramuscular fluid collection suggestive of myositis
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with possible early polymyositis.
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Sebastian, based on this initial presentation, what is your
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differential diagnosis so far and would you treat empirically?
Sebastian Shrager:
Yeah, so great history.
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So Staph aureus is king here.
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That's the most common organism by far.
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You can also see Group A Strep and Strep pneumo, which still show up.
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She's a little too old for Kingella.
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Um, so that's lower in the differential and she's not immunocompromised or using
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IV drugs, so Pseudomonas is less likely.
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And then without sickle cell disease, Salmonella drops way down the list.
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That said, Brodie abscesses can be absolutely polymicrobial.
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Management wise, this is where people sometimes jump too fast for antibiotics.
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If the kid looks stable and not septic, I'd actually hold antibiotics
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and call our friends in orthopedics.
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Incision and drainage gives you the best chance of finding a bug and holding off
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on antibiotics will increase that yield.
Veronica Santos:
What if they say no to an I&D (incision & drainage)?
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Yeah.
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Um, well, I'll try to persuade them first, but if they still say no, then
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cefazolin alone is totally reasonable.
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It covers MSSA well and makes oral step down easy to cephalexin, or
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cefadroxil, which are great PO options.
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If you're living in a MRSA heavy area, then vancomycin makes sense.
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And then if you want to also cover gram-negatives and MRSA, you could
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do ceftriaxone and vancomycin.
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Those are all great differentials.
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Now how about I give you more history to see if we can add anything else?
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She was born term with no complications.
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Her only medical history is tendinitis of her right ankle for the past three years.
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She has no pertinent surgical history or family history.
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Her vaccines are up to date.
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She does have pertinent travel history that include a trip to Galveston
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Beach in Texas where she stabbed her right ankle on a piece of wood.
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The piece of wood was spontaneously expelled from the
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puncture site two weeks later.
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About five months prior to presentation, she also went swimming in Pensacola
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Beach, Florida, and about two and a half months prior, she went
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swimming on Canvasback Lake, Texas.
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She refers exposure to multiple animals, including ticks, fleas,
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mosquitoes, horses, cattle, chickens, possums, iguanas, and even field mice.
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And she also has two vaccinated dogs.
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How does your differential change now with this additional history, Sebastian?
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So be careful when you go to Galveston Beach, it looks like,
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'cause you can get poked with a stick.
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Um, now this case gets more interesting because of the water and wood exposure.
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Uh, you have to think about Mycobacteria marinum, which loves salt and brackish
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waters, and fits a slow indolent course.
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The Vibrio species as well, especially vulnificus and alginolyticus,
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even though we usually think of them as more aggressive.
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She also swam in lakes, so Aeromonas hydrophilia comes into play plus
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rapid growing mycobacteria, since they're literally everywhere,
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everywhere in all water and soil.
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The wood exposure opens the door to fungi like Sporothrix schenckii, probably
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lower on the list, but not zero, which really drives home the key point.
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Send the bone.
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Get aerobic, anaerobic, AFB and fungal cultures because with Brodie's abscesses,
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especially with environmental exposure, the diagnosis lives in the microbiology.
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I'd also keep a sample on the side to send the PCR testing, just
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in case the cultures don't grow.
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We really do have a broad differential.
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I think at this point we're all ready to get some answers.
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So our patient underwent two I&Ds by orthopedics.
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To our surprise, the pathology and cultures sent from the operating room
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revealed Vibrio vulnificus causing acute osteomyelitis, Brodies abscesses,
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myositis and bursitis of the right ankle.
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The patient was then transitioned from IV vancomycin and piperacillin-tazobactam
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to ceftriaxone and doxycycline.
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Sebastian, can you talk more on Brodie's abscess, because this
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is one of those diagnoses that feel rare and it actually is.
Sebastian Shrager:
Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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So first off, pediatric osteomyelitis overall isn't that common?
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It's only about 2 - 20 cases per a hundred thousand kids, and Brodie abscess
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makes up only around 2% of those cases.
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So you're already dealing with something pretty unusual, and what makes it
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tricky is that it's, it's not your classic toxic looking osteomyelitis.
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A Brodie abscess is really a subacute form of hematogenous osteomyelitis.
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Instead of widespread infection, you get this localized intraosseous abscess,
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basically a smoldering infection that the immune system has partially contained.
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Which makes sense in kids, right?
Sebastian Shrager:
Yeah, totally.
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So most pediatric osteomyelitis comes from the bloodstream, right?
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And the growth plates have this unique vascular anatomy with
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slow flow, looping vessels.
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Bacteria get in.
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The immune system walls it off, and instead of clearing it, you
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end up with the Brodie's abscess.
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Location wise, Brodie's abscesses love long bones.
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Tibia is the big one, about half of the cases, and then the femur.
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And interestingly, uh, Brodie abscesses tend to involve the diaphysis more
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than the metaphysis, which is a little different from what we usually think
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about with acute osteomyelitis in kids.
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We were all surprised by Vibrio vulnificus
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being the causative agent.
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Dr. Ellsworth, can you share more on why this was such an unusual case?
Misti Ellsworth:
So what made this case really interesting to us is
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how completely un-Vibrio it was.
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So when we think about Vibrio vulnificus, we usually think about
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very dramatic, very fast infections.
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So someone cuts their leg in seawater and within days they're septic.
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They've got hemorrhagic bullae, necrotizing fasciitis.
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Sometimes they end up even in the ICU.
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Osteomyelitis just isn't what comes to mind when we think of this bug.
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And in fact, when you look at the literature, Vibrio
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osteomyelitis is incredibly rare.
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Most of what's out there are single case reports.
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There aren't any case series and there aren't guidelines talking about it,
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and Vibrio doesn't even show up on the usual list of osteomyelitis pathogens.
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One of the few detailed reports is from the Journal of Infectious
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Diseases in 1990, and that case really mirrors what we saw.
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In that report, the patient had a fairly typical exposure, brackish water and a
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skin injury, but instead of progressing rapidly, the infection kind of smoldered.
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He initially improved with the antibiotics, but over the course
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of weeks to months, he developed worsening pain and swelling and
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eventually imaging showed osteomyelitis.
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The total time course was about 13 weeks, which is just not how
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we're taught that Vibrio behaves.
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That's what made our patients so challenging.
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There was no explosive presentation, no early sepsis, no
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necrotizing soft tissue infection.
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It said it almost looked like an orthopedic or an inflammatory
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condition at first with this chronic pain, local tenderness, no skin
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findings, and that really delayed the diagnosis in this patient.
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What's striking is that Vibrio infections are usually the opposite of indolent.
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Large surveillance studies showed that they present as gastroenteritis,
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wound infections, or primary septicemia, not chronic bone disease.
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Even during outbreaks, osteomyelitis is almost unheard of, and one Israeli
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outbreak with over 60 invasive cases, only one patient developed
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osteomyelitis, and there's not a whole lot of details in that case.
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So the big takeaway for us was this.
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Marine exposure plus persistent focal symptoms should keep
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Vibrio on the differential, even if the timeline feels wrong.
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Partial treatment, early antibiotics, or lack of source control may
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blunt that classic fulminant course and allow a deep infection like
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osteomyelitis to slowly declare itself.
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And finally, this case is a good reminder that when symptoms don't resolve,
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especially pain, repeating imaging and getting deep cultures really matter.
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Because even organisms we think of fast and furious can occasionally surprise
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us by being slow, quiet, and sneaky.
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Thankfully despite the chronicity of this
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infection and it being Vibrio, our patient had really good outcomes.
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On day 15, the second OR culture was positive for Vibrio vulnificus.
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On day 16, her inflammatory markers were down trending, and the patient
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was doing better clinically.
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After completing three days of IV antibiotics, she was sent home with
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one month supply of doxycycline.
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Patient was followed up in clinic one month after.
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At this point, inflammatory markers continue to downtrend with ESR
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at 41 and CRP less than three.
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The patient completed 12 more days of doxycycline for a total of 42 days.
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On day of completion, her ESR level was at 19 and CRP
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continued to be less than three.
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The patient was later cleared by orthopedics to return to soccer play.
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The takeaway from all of this is to think that Brodie's abscess can be subacute,
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smoldering, a form of osteomylitis that often lacks systemic toxicity.
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When able, as Sebastian said, always send the bone, deep OR culture
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should include aerobic, anaerobic, AFB, and fungal cultures, especially
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with environmental exposures.
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Plus marine exposures and persistent focal pain should always keep
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Vibrio on the differential, even when the timeline feels wrong.
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Thanks so much to Veronica, Sebastian, and
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Misti for joining Febrile today.
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