What does it mean to truly live iconically? 💅✨

In this week’s tea time sesh, Amanda spills the tea with Katie, founder of Race Tips, the female-founded beauty brand bringing fast, flawless manicures to every motorsport fan. The two dive deep into confidence, resilience, and self-love, exploring what it means to be your own best friend, embrace change, and trust the journey—both in life and business.

From navigating pivots to creating ‘iconic nights’ for self-care and reflection, Katie shares how she built a brand rooted in empowerment and how you can apply these lessons to your own life. Whether you're chasing a dream, making bold moves, or just looking for an extra dose of inspiration, this episode will remind you to dare to be iconic—on your own terms.

✨ Hit play and let’s get iconic.

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Time Stamps:

00:00 Welcome To Dare to Be Iconic

00:23 Meet Katie from Race Tips

02:12 What Does It Mean to Be Iconic?

04:05 Trusting the Journey – Even When It’s Uncertain

06:02 Embracing Change & Pivoting Like a Pro

08:25 Katie’s Growth Journey – Becoming Her Most Iconic Self

18:36 The Magic of Katie Night – What It’s All About

21:35 Self-Reflection & Emotional Awareness – Knowing Yourself Deeply

23:22 Becoming Your Own Best Friend

25:33 Understanding Loneliness & Building Self-Connection

30:24 The Power of Women Supporting Women

31:56 A Letter to Our Younger Selves

35:58 Shooting Your Shot & Building Iconic Friendships

37:24 See You Next Week!

What's up, Radiant Icons and welcome back to

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Dare to Be Iconic, the podcast made

for icons daring to be themselves.

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I'm your host, Amanda Paolicelli,

and for today's Tea Time sesh, we

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are joined by a very special everyday

icon, my girl Katie from Race Tips.

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As you guys know, Katie is one of my

closest friends and a long standing

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partner of Dare to Be Iconic.

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So it has been a long overdue

to have this Tea time sesh and

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you know Katie and I can yap.

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We can spill the tea.

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So you are definitely

in for a treat today.

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But before I get into the piping

hot tea that we will be spilling

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on today's tea time sesh.

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Make sure to secure your spot

for Dare to Be Icon's second

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Masterclass, daring to be confident,

on April 19th at 1:00 PM Eastern.

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Tickets, and all the information can

be found in the show notes below.

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Now let's get to the piping hot

tea for today's tea time sesh.

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Katie and I are talking about confidence,

resiliency, self-love, pivoting, how

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you can be your own best friend, because

that honestly is the longest relationship

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you'll ever be in in your life.

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So you gotta learn how to be your own best

friend, and we spill the tea on that and

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so much more in today's tea time sesh.

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I am so excited.

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So are you ready?

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Radiant icons because your

tee time sesh is starting now.

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Katie, it's been a long time coming.

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Welcome to Dare To Be Iconic.

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Katie Hornsby: Thank you.

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So happy to be here.

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I feel like we like record a

podcast every time we talk.

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Amanda Paolicelli: No, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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We're just, we've progressed, you

know, we've now made it so people

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can hear our conversations, which

I don't know if that's gonna end

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up in our favor, but you know what?

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We will see.

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We will see.

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So Katie, we are gonna get into

all the iconicness that you do a

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little bit later on into our tea

time ses, but we're gonna start with

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some dare to be iconic essentials.

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So what does the word iconic mean

to you and how do you dare to

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be iconic in your everyday life?

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Katie Hornsby: Okay, so it's

so funny 'cause you and I say

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iconic all the time idea and like

myself idea, do I catch myself?

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Like leaving comments on Instagrams

like you do like so iconic and I'm

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like, oh my god, Amanda would be proud.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Oh my God, that's the

best compliment I could ever hear my life.

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Katie Hornsby: But when I like

really sat with myself Yeah.

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And thought about it to me, iconic.

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It's kind of a combination

of, it's timeless.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's bold, it's revolutionary.

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But it is also like classic

and Oh, I love that.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Revolutionary.

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Okay.

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Revolutionary.

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Yeah, revolutionary.

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Katie Hornsby: I love that.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And then let's think.

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Okay, so being iconic in

my everyday life and war in

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everyone's everyday life, exactly.

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I think is truly just being

exactly who you are and not giving.

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A care about what anyone else thinks

about you, and just walking with that

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confidence in life because yeah, if

you have the confidence, you're iconic.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Exactly.

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Point blank in period, Katie.

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Okay.

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Slay.

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I couldn't say it better myself.

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It's like, almost like daring to be

yourself, you know, like Exactly.

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Sounds so familiar.

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So for the radiant icons who don't know,

Katie and I are very, very close friends

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and we bonded over our love for F1.

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Katie is the founder of Race Tips.

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Um, race Tips is like literally the

most iconic brand out there, fast and

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easy manicures for the fast car fans.

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And so I think both of us being

small business owners, it's sometimes

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hard, or at least I think so in this

concept of trusting that you are

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exactly where you are meant to be.

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And so I wanted to kind of ask you

how has trusting that concept, right,

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kind , helped guide you through the

tough moments, whether it's you being

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a female entrepreneur or just being

Katie living her most iconic life.

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Katie Hornsby: Okay.

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So when it comes to trusting and like

knowing that you're exactly where you

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need to be, I'll kind of talk about it

maybe a little bit more in my personal

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life first and then kind of, yeah,

get it back to the, the entrepreneur

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in me, but point, blank and, period.

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I think it's really accepting that

everything happens for a reason and

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that there's a reason you are in

the place that you are right now.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

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Katie Hornsby: And I think that's

something I've accepted and then I've had

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to accept many times throughout my life.

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I think that's something

that you will face.

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Your whole entire life, and you never

quite know when you might be faced

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with like, oh, I gotta gotta remind

myself, like, we're here for a reason.

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It's gonna be okay.

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And I think the other part of it

too is like when maybe something

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doesn't go right or maybe you feel

lost or life is just hard right now.

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It's reminding yourself of all the

good things that are in your life.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Yeah.

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That's so important.

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Yes,

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Katie Hornsby: exactly.

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Like I have a roof over my head.

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I have loving friends.

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I have food in the refrigerator.

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I have a bed to sleep in.

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But then also like.

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I have a killer business.

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I have a passion for this.

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And so reminding yourself of all the,

all the positive things and all the

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good things you have going for yourself.

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And then I think like the other

big part of it is knowing that you

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can change direction at any time.

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Yes.

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And I think a lot of people Yes,

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Amanda Paolicelli: absolutely.

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Katie Hornsby: Absolutely.

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Yes, exactly.

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And I think a lot of people forget that.

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We are in control of our lives and we

are the universe perceiving itself.

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If you're unhappy, you can

change that is might be.

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Exactly, yeah, and then it, it

could be moving to a new place.

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It could be saying goodbye to a

certain friend, changing careers.

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Maybe it's like actually just

making more time for your hobbies,

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or it's as simple as giving

yourself time to sit with yourself.

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I know we're probably gonna

talk about Katy Nights later,

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but like having yourself,

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Amanda Paolicelli: obviously,

I stole that from you, duh.

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Katie Hornsby: Yeah.

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Having yourself a Katy night and I think

in the lens of being an entrepreneur,

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being a small business owner, um,

you know, it's okay to make mistakes.

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It's okay to, I always

say like, fail fast.

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Uh, and learn and then pivot.

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And I think the whole point of being

an entrepreneur, like how one calls

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themselves as an entrepreneur is being

able to iterate and figuring out, you

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know, taking time, analyzing what's

going right, what's going wrong, what

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can I improve on, what are my strengths,

opportunities, uh, and then what can

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I do to improve and iterate on that?

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And if it doesn't work.

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That's okay.

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That's what iterating is,

is you're trying something.

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If it doesn't work, you pivot.

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You try something new.

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And as you do that in life,

you also do that in business.

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And so Exactly.

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Having kind of that mindset of

like, we're literally just iterating

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all the time and nothing's wrong.

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Amanda Paolicelli: No, like literally,

like I had a friend tell me that her key

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word in entrepreneurship is pivoting.

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Like you have to be

comfortable with pivoting.

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You are going to fail big.

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You're going to fail

fast, like you said, like.

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But you need to know

when it's time to pivot.

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You need to be able to have that

self-reflection, and I think that goes

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back to what you had mentioned, which

is being in control of your own destiny.

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So what are some steps that you

took to make sure you were on

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the right path for yourself?

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Katie Hornsby: I think I knew

I was in control of my own

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destiny before I knew I was.

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And like, okay, slay.

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I can explain that.

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Um, okay.

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Slay.

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I love that.

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But the, but the idea of

like subconsciously, like

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I knew I was in charge.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

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But

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Katie Hornsby: I didn't necessarily

bring that into consciousness until

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I think I got older and I think that

is probably what happens with a lot

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of us is yeah, if you think back,

like in high school and before that,

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like we're living with our parents.

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There's kind of still guiding maybe

where we're going or how, you know,

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I don't know how we're behaving

or what we're allowed to do and

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maybe what we're not allowed to do.

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And then you get to college and

there's so many external Yes.

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Oh my gosh.

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Influences.

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So glad you mentioned that.

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Yes,

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Amanda Paolicelli: yes.

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Absolutely.

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Katie Hornsby: Yeah.

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Whether it's new friends, whether it's

you're living in a new place, you're

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finding new hobbies, maybe you're.

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Drinking for the first time, or Yeah,

maybe you're in relationships for the

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Amanda Paolicelli: first time,

like you weren't allowed to date.

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Like all these things, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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Katie Hornsby: And I think like it can

be scary because it's like, oh my God,

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you have all this freedom all at once.

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And you feel that then like when,

whether it's you, you're graduating from

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college or maybe you're moving away from

home, whatever your journey is like.

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Then you're like, oh my God, I now am.

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I always call it, I'm a big girl now.

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Like I have to find, no, like literally

have to find like a big girl job.

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Oh my God.

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I know.

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And a big girl apartment and, mm-hmm.

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Part of it too is like, oh my

gosh, I can be and choose and

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do whatever I wanna do now.

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Like, okay, now I'm like, really?

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It's me.

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I've got it.

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I can decide.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Like I really

am the adult in the room now.

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And that's like so

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Katie Hornsby: scary.

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Yeah, it's so scary.

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And

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also again, like, so now we're here and

we're like, I can't believe how many

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years I'm actually out of college now.

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It doesn't.

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Feel real.

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I feel like I should be

allowed to be this old.

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Amanda Paolicelli: No.

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Yeah, no.

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Retweet on that.

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Yes, retweet on that.

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Sometimes I still think I'm 19,

but you know, that's another story.

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Katie Hornsby: Yeah.

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I, I said to you earlier, this is a

tangent, but I said to you a couple weeks

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ago when George Russell posted, he's

like 27, you know, oh my God, I know.

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Happy Birthday post.

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And I was like, I was like, oh my God.

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I know I'm about to be 27.

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Like George Russell and I are the same

age and like I know it, it's like such

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Amanda Paolicelli: a mind,

like it's a mind bogle

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Katie Hornsby: yeah.

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So I, and then I don't know, I'll

give kind of back maybe to answering.

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I know you're all good.

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Um, but I think.

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Once you realize that you have control

of your life, it's really thinking about

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what you want your life to look like.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and I think in the past year or

so, a couple of my friends and I have

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had this conversation about, um, you

know, feeling lost or not knowing what

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yes they want or where they're going.

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And I feel like I am, uh,

I've always been like a little

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ahead of the curve and so like.

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I've like, oh yeah.

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Well I was there a a little bit.

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A little bit ago.

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Yeah.

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And lemme tell you how

I got out of it exactly.

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And it's something I'm still

working on now because it's not an

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easy thing to do, but listing out

all the things I want in my life.

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And I'm not talking

about like harsh goals.

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I am talking about the littlest

things to the biggest things,

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like one thing on my list.

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Yeah.

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We're like a

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Amanda Paolicelli: free flowing.

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Katie Hornsby: Exactly.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

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Katie Hornsby: Iterating.

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We're iterating on this

list, point blank and period.

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And like one of the things on my

list is like, I want a bathtub.

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I want a big bathtub in.

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Okay, wait, I love that.

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For you.

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The house that I have one day and like.

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So like it's the tiniest

little thing on that list.

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But then there's like huge things

like I wanna get married and

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have two kids with my boyfriend.

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Like I want to go on a

South Southeast Asia trip.

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Like I wanna learn how to surf better.

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I would love to climb a mountain.

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And so like it's the tiniest little things

all the way up to like the biggest things.

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And yeah, again, this reminder

of like, it can change over time.

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Like I've scratched things off the list.

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I'm like, well, I thought

I wanted to do that.

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I.

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Now I know I don't wanna do that.

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And yeah, so again, just kind of like.

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You can't just kind of keep going,

like you gotta figure out where

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you wanna go, you gotta have a

little bit of a direction, but not

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being too hard on yourself either.

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Amanda Paolicelli: And I, I think

that is rooted all in confident

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decision making, you know?

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And I think when it comes to like choosing

the right path for you, yes it is small

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actions, building up that momentum.

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But that doesn't take

away how daunting it is.

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It doesn't take away how scary it is.

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So what has helped you be

confident your decision making

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skills when it comes to that.

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And I'm taking notes for myself.

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Yes.

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So if you wanna like,

share, that'd be great.

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Katie Hornsby: I will.

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I'll lay it on thick.

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Um, period.

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I think everyone always says it,

but it's like fake it till you

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make it, but like, that is so true.

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Oh yes.

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I live by that.

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I live by that.

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You, yes, you have, you have to

fake it till you make it and like.

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Whatever you tell yourself, like

you are, like if you wanna be a

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bad bitch, like you're a bad bitch.

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If you wanna be a girl

boss, you're a girl boss.

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If you wanna be a or like

a period, yes, a mom.

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Be a mom.

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Like it's whoever you tell

yourself is who you can be.

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And so keeping like, keeping that

in mind, but I also think that

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I am confident in my decisions.

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Because I know I'm, I'm grounded

in what I mentioned earlier

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of like, I can always change.

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Yeah.

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And I think often again, like a lot of

us keep ourselves from being competent

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or like making quick decisions because

we're like, oh my God, this could change

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my life and it could never go back.

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And yes,

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Amanda Paolicelli: it's like the fear

of the unknown is really debilitating,

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Katie Hornsby: you know?

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Exactly.

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And I'm like, okay, like.

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We can just return back

to square one and mm-hmm.

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I think a lot of people think returning

to like ground zero is failure.

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Amanda Paolicelli: I was literally just

thinking that Katie, oh my God, and

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Katie Hornsby: it's not.

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Yes, yes.

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It's ab.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's absolutely not.

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It is.

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I look at it as like, okay, I

get to start fresh like this.

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Whether it's, I don't know, like you're

working on a work presentation and

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they're like, oh, this isn't going the

right way, or you move somewhere, or,

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I don't know, you dye your hair pink.

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Yeah, start from the beginning, beginning,

even go back and like that's a whole new

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opportunity to like start fresh recreate.

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Like that presentation could look

nothing like it did the first time.

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Exactly.

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And you've got that

freedom to make it now.

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Whatever you want it to be.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And it's rooted in that mindset shift of

seeing it in that positive lens, which I

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think goes back to what you mentioned like

way earlier on in our tea time session,

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which is rooting it in that gratitude,

rooting it in that positivity and allowing

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yourself to literally just embody that

and see that in every avenue and every

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door that opens for you in your life.

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Katie Hornsby: Exactly.

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And.

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I think one thing I've also had a

lot of conversations with my friends

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about in the last couple years too.

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And like I, a little over a

year ago I moved to New York.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I thought I was probably maybe

always gonna one day find myself here.

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But yeah, I wasn't sure when, um, and

you know, I think it's this idea of

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like, oh, do we move, do we not move?

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Like it was a big conversation that

I had, you know, with my, with my

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boyfriend, with my partner, and.

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I often go, I often refer to this idea

of like, you can leave your hometown,

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which Chicago was his, is his hometown.

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Okay.

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Go to a different city.

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If you don't like it,

you can always move home.

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There's nothing wrong with moving

home, but in 10 years from now, if

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you had never moved to New York,

you can't be like, oh yeah, like.

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Wow.

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I really wish I would've

just moved to New York.

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Yeah.

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Because

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Amanda Paolicelli: then you

would've never, you would've never

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known what could have happened.

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Like that could have been the step for

you to change your entire life and like

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live that life that you've always wanted.

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Right.

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Katie Hornsby: And again,

you're not stepping back.

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You're, you're actually like gain yourself

time of not wasting all that time thinking

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about what if, like just go do it.

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Confident and I.

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It's like even in the worst

scenarios, you're learning something.

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Oh yeah, no.

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Yep.

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Mm-hmm.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Retweet that.

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Re tweet the actual foundation

of Dare to Be Iconic.

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What?

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Katie Hornsby: You might not

think you're learning anything.

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You're like, yeah, I've

got this bad manager.

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You know?

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And my mom has always said like.

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It's not a bad manager.

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It's a manager that's teaching you

how you don't wanna manage people.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Okay.

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Wait, mama katie knows what's up.

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Oh, she,

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Katie Hornsby: yeah,

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Amanda Paolicelli: she an icon.

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She's been around the block.

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Katie Hornsby: She knows what's up.

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So yeah, I just think like, oh my God.

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Yeah, it's okay.

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Like to experiment, be confident, and also

be confident in saying that did not work.

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Mm-hmm.

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Let's start over and no matter

what, you've learned something

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about yourself or about the

situation or about the world that.

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You didn't know before you tried

and you were just confident.

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Amanda Paolicelli: Yes.

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Yes.

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And it's like all with trusting

that process that you are exactly

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where you are supposed to be.

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And I think this's just beautifully

segues into Katie night because

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it's you owning your power, right?

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When you are confident in your

decision making and you're confident

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in trusting the process of everything

that is going on, and it's you

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know, creating some time for you.

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And so I've stolen this

from you quite a bit, Katie.

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Um, I've, I made my Amanda nights.

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I had one yesterday actually.

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It was beautiful.

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So for the radiant icons who were

like, what the heck is a Katie night?

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What is a Katie night?

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What does your typical

Katie night look like?

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And what are your tips and tricks

on how they can make their own

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iconic night for themselves?

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Absolutely.

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Katie Hornsby: So if we're, if I'm

explaining a dream, Katie night

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to you and not every Katie night.

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Yes.

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Not every got picture.

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Yeah.

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Not every Katie night looks like this.

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Sometimes you just gotta take

one or two pieces of the dream.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Of the dream.

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Katie Knight.

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But it would be.

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I go to a yoga class,

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Amanda Paolicelli: okay?

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Katie Hornsby: I get all

the tension outta my body.

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I'm like stretching myself out.

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I'm clearing my mind it.

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I'm reminding myself, love it.

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Remind myself how powerful I am, and

then I'm coming home and I am getting

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in the bubble bath with a snack,

usually my iPad, to like watch a movie.

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Or read Fourth

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Amanda Paolicelli: Wing,

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Katie Hornsby: you know,

or read Fourth Wing.

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Yeah.

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You know me well, I know you

still laugh, you know Me too Well.

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Uh, and then a journal and a

pen, just because like you never

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know when you're not as Exactly.

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Oh, and then it's usually

like hair mask, face mask.

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We're bubble bathing.

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If I've got the energy, maybe we're

shaving our legs, maybe we're not.

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It's like that's always one that's like, I

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Amanda Paolicelli: don't know

if I wanna put that on the list.

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'cause that's actually work.

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You

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Katie Hornsby: know what I mean?

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But you know, sometimes you're

like, oh, I just need like a reset.

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Exactly.

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I need to wash my hair, shave my legs.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You need a everything shower.

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You know I love a good everything shower.

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Yeah,

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Amanda Paolicelli: yeah, yeah.

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Katie Hornsby: And I, you know, when

John first met me, my boyfriend,

468

he was like everything all at once.

469

Like, you can't just do.

470

One thing and I'm like, no, I can't.

471

No.

472

That's not

473

Amanda Paolicelli: how our brains work

as small business owners, absolutely not.

474

Have you met us?

475

And so like half right,

476

Katie Hornsby: and so half the time

I'm not even like watching the TV

477

show or the movie I put on because

I'm like sitting in my thoughts.

478

I really just need like

sound in the background.

479

Yeah.

480

Like this side of the brain has like white

481

Amanda Paolicelli: noise, you

482

Katie Hornsby: know?

483

Yeah.

484

This side of the brain has

to be distracted so this

485

side of the brain can like.

486

Do what it needs to do.

487

Do, yeah.

488

Do what it needs to do.

489

And most of that is like sitting

with myself and thinking about,

490

you know, how did this week go?

491

How did.

492

How do I want next week to go?

493

Yes.

494

It's almost like, like to relate

it to like, uh, you know, work.

495

We all have like performance meetings

or like Oh yeah, like performance

496

Amanda Paolicelli: evaluations.

497

Yeah.

498

Yeah.

499

And like,

500

Katie Hornsby: okay,

what are your strengths?

501

What are your weaknesses?

502

This is what you've been doing well, this

is what you've not maybe been doing so

503

well, but is something you can work on.

504

Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

505

Uh,

506

Katie Hornsby: and again, it's just

like a, it's a check-in and I'm sure

507

you'll probably hear me say this a few

more times in this episode, but like.

508

Just sitting, first of all,

I'll say this, allowing yourself

509

to feel the emotions you feel.

510

I feel like a lot of times

we don't let ourselves

511

Amanda Paolicelli: Yes.

512

Feel what we wanna, you

have to feel everything.

513

Yes.

514

That's everything.

515

And it's, it's hard.

516

It's horrible

517

Katie Hornsby: sometimes.

518

Amanda Paolicelli: Yeah.

519

It's not easy.

520

I rather not, but like it's literally

so vital in order for you to like

521

truly like live your most iconic life.

522

Katie Hornsby: Like you

just have to, you know?

523

Right.

524

And like.

525

Sitting in that anger that you might

have or that sadness or frustration

526

or even in the good emotions.

527

Yeah, the happiness, the inspired the joy.

528

Exactly.

529

The joy that's like part one is just

like, okay, let me just like sit in these.

530

And then the, which is again, all hard to

begin with, but then like the next hardest

531

thing is like, why do I feel this way?

532

That's

533

Amanda Paolicelli: self-awareness.

534

You know?

535

That's always a tricky part.

536

Yeah.

537

No one, no one likes that.

538

Or like holding yourself

accountable for maybe Like what?

539

Like if you are angry.

540

If you were sad, right.

541

And there's something that happened, like

is there a part of it of like that you

542

can hold responsibility for, you know?

543

Absolutely.

544

Like if it was a friendship

breakup, a romantic breakup, like.

545

What was your part in it?

546

Like no one wants to own up to it, but

like sometimes we have to, you know?

547

Right.

548

Absolutely.

549

Not even sometimes.

550

Absolutely.

551

We just

552

Katie Hornsby: have to.

553

We just have to And like giving

yourself grace, I think something, yes.

554

You and I have also chatted about a

lot, literally everything under the sun.

555

Yes.

556

Yes.

557

Is this idea of I am my own best friend.

558

And yeah, when people are like,

oh, who's your best friend?

559

And I say, oh myself.

560

Like sometimes they look at

me and they're like, yeah.

561

Amanda Paolicelli: They're like, who?

562

Thank

563

Katie Hornsby: you.

564

Why you like conceited lady?

565

Like what do you mean?

566

And I'm like, okay, well, like

let me break it down for you.

567

Exactly.

568

Exactly.

569

To spend the rest of

your life with yourself.

570

Amanda Paolicelli: Exactly.

571

That is the longest long-term

relationship you genuinely

572

will ever be in, in your life.

573

Katie Hornsby: And if you don't like her

or him or whoever, like if you don't like

574

yourself, like how can others like you?

575

and I think maybe people are

like, oh my God, I don't know

576

how to be my best friend.

577

Like you figure out Yeah.

578

Like what are the steps?

579

Yeah.

580

Okay, here we go.

581

You ready?

582

You gotta figure out I'm out.

583

What you like and what you don't like.

584

Amanda Paolicelli: Period.

585

Katie Hornsby: That's

like the first thing.

586

Period.

587

Like period.

588

If you don't like doing

something, don't do it.

589

Um.

590

Mm-hmm.

591

Exactly.

592

Take notes of it,

593

Amanda Paolicelli: you know,

594

Katie Hornsby: take notes.

595

Notes.

596

Like, I'm never doing that again.

597

Never in my life, you know,

never doing that again.

598

I think the other part is

spending time with yourself alone.

599

Yes.

600

Like literally

601

Amanda Paolicelli: just being by

yourself and having solo dates, you know?

602

Katie Hornsby: Yeah.

603

Yes, exactly.

604

Like I used to take myself

to the movies once a week.

605

Amanda Paolicelli: I.

606

I love that for you.

607

Katie Hornsby: Like find what

you love and do it and challenge

608

yourself to do it by yourself.

609

Maybe the first time you know, you

bring a friend, but then like you've

610

gotta take yourself and you've gotta

be okay and be confident being alone

611

and like I was alone for a long time,

and I'm not saying like alone, like

612

I had my friends, I had my family.

613

I had my work community,

like I had people around me.

614

Yum.

615

And not to get two therapists on

all of you, but there are four.

616

Amanda Paolicelli: Don't worry.

617

The radiant icons are used to it.

618

I cry like literally every single episode.

619

Katie, we all know this.

620

It's okay.

621

It's okay.

622

Katie Hornsby: Good.

623

Okay, good.

624

So if you don't know, there

are four kinds of loneliness.

625

There's like three, and then like

the fourth one is like the like.

626

We've now entered the lower levels

of therapy and like I'm giving you

627

one of the keys to life Really?

628

Okay.

629

So the one of 'em is friends

and family, like if you know.

630

Yeah.

631

Okay.

632

Lonely if you don't

have friends and family.

633

The second one is community, uh,

whether that's like community one,

634

community, whatever it might be.

635

Radiant

636

Amanda Paolicelli: icon, community icon.

637

Yes.

638

Katie Hornsby: Thank you.

639

The third one is romantic.

640

Okay.

641

Connection.

642

And then the fourth one, which

is like the key is yourself.

643

And so,

644

Amanda Paolicelli: oh

645

Katie Hornsby: yeah, like,

and again, that's like,

646

Amanda Paolicelli: I

had no idea about that.

647

Katie Hornsby: One of the

hidden, hidden prophecies.

648

I guess if there is,

649

Amanda Paolicelli: like, I love

650

Katie Hornsby: that you can feel

full in those first three ones, but

651

if you don't feel full in yourself.

652

You know, whether that's as your best

friend or as like, oh, we're acquaintances

653

and we're working our way to best friends.

654

Like, you've gotta be okay being

by yourself and being good with

655

you and not feeling lonely.

656

Because if, imagine if you

didn't have any of those four.

657

Oh my goodness.

658

Exactly.

659

That would be, that would be so hard.

660

And like I've been there, like, and those

four can change throughout life, like.

661

I, I was alone for a long time by myself.

662

I was learning to feel good in myself,

my community, my friends, my family.

663

And then I was like, oh my gosh.

664

Like, okay, why do I still feel lonely?

665

I'm like, oh, well it might be time

to like put yourself out there again.

666

And so I was like, okay, let's do it.

667

And then I met the love of my life and

like, I think that happened because I was

668

so good in those other three areas, like

you've gotta be so good with yourself

669

before you give yourself to anyone else.

670

Whether that's romantically, whether

that's platonically, natively.

671

Exactly.

672

Platonically.

673

Even like giving my business part of

myself, like I gotta be good here.

674

Amanda Paolicelli: Yes.

675

Katie Hornsby: There.

676

Amanda Paolicelli: I have no words other

than everything just like clicks when you

677

say that because it's so true, like you

can feel so fulfilled with being your own

678

best friend or having your family around

you or having your friendships, but like

679

in my case, right, I, I don't think it's

a surprise to anyone that I'm saying this,

680

but like currently, obviously there's no

romantic prospects and I'm not putting

681

myself out there for that 'cause just for

me like that is not not something I want

682

to do and like there is a part of me, oh

wow, I've never spoken about this before.

683

There is a part of me and that does

feel a little bit lonely in that aspect.

684

When I see everyone like with their

partner or like talking about love

685

in that way, like I think that's

so beautiful and I would love to

686

experience falling in love again.

687

I know at this point, it's not

something for me right now, but it

688

doesn't take away the loneliness

that I feel in that category of

689

my life, even though I'm fulfilled

in all the other areas, you know?

690

Katie Hornsby: Yeah.

691

And it's hard and like knowing when

you're ready, when you're not ready.

692

Like it, it's scary.

693

Uh, so yeah.

694

And there's no rush either.

695

Like there's plenty of time.

696

I know I'm still getting

697

Amanda Paolicelli: hotter by the minute.

698

Katie Hornsby: No, no, you are, as you

get older, you get hotter, like thank you.

699

You're more mature.

700

You, you know, you know

what's right from wrong.

701

Exactly, exactly.

702

One thing, one thing I missed about

being your best friend, which tell me,

703

I wanna make sure I get this in because

when I said it to John that like, whoa.

704

Um, and I mentioned it earlier, but

like, I've been giving myself a lot more

705

grace and patience and I think that's,

as you get older, you just, like, you're

706

more calm, you're chiller, maybe, for

lack of a better word, you're more

707

Amanda Paolicelli: willing

to do that for yourself.

708

Katie Hornsby: Yes.

709

Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

710

Katie Hornsby: I know a lot of women deal

with insecurity, like self insecurity,

711

and I think part of being your best friend

is really just being kind to yourself

712

and thinking about how maybe some of

the things you say to yourself, would

713

you ever say that to your best friend?

714

Amanda Paolicelli: Yeah.

715

Oh my God.

716

Period.

717

That's like one of my biggest like

confidence tips is think about like, would

718

you ever say this to your best friend?

719

If you wouldn't, do not say

that to yourself because you

720

are your best friend too.

721

Katie Hornsby: You know?

722

Absolutely.

723

Or even like, you know, your daughter,

like think about your future daughter.

724

Like would you ever say

that to, or would you ever

725

Amanda Paolicelli: want her

to think that about herself?

726

Exactly.

727

And you know.

728

Katie Hornsby: Well, there is so much.

729

We got so much stuff to do.

730

Us women, like we are busy.

731

We are holding down the

fort on a lot of areas.

732

Areas.

733

We really just run the world,

you know, like that's scary.

734

We run the world.

735

Amanda Paolicelli: We basically run,

736

Katie Hornsby: and life is too

short to stand in the mirror

737

and pick yourself apart.

738

Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

739

Katie Hornsby: Like look at yourself in

the mirror, let yourself know you are

740

beautiful because you are inside and out.

741

And then like we gotta go

because we got stuff to do.

742

Like we gotta Exactly.

743

We have

744

Amanda Paolicelli: businesses to

build, we have money to make, we have,

745

we gotta start revolution, you know?

746

Exactly.

747

Thank you.

748

I forgot my third thing in there.

749

I love threes, as you can tell.

750

Yes.

751

Katie Hornsby: Like we don't have

time to be tearing ourselves.

752

Here's my plug too, or others,

specifically women down.

753

We don't, don't have

754

Amanda Paolicelli: time.

755

We're all here to empower each other.

756

Absolutely.

757

That's how we build revolutions.

758

That's how we break barriers.

759

That's how we shift the

narrative, you know?

760

Men tear us down.

761

Like it is their job.

762

Exactly.

763

Like the world loves to hate women.

764

I'm like, honestly, so like

firm in that belief, you know?

765

Why are, why are we

gonna turn on each other?

766

Katie Hornsby: Right?

767

Yeah, exactly.

768

The last thing we have time for is

us being mean to each other, like

769

Amanda Paolicelli: mm-hmm.

770

Katie Hornsby: Let's move on.

771

Amanda Paolicelli: Exactly.

772

Let's move on 'cause that's why

female friendships are so important.

773

Katie Hornsby: Absolutely.

774

So.

775

Amanda Paolicelli: That goes into

my last question for you, Katie.

776

If you could go back in time and

tell Katie from when she first

777

started her business, rice Tips,

the best manicure brand out there.

778

Go check it out in my show notes.

779

Yeah.

780

Thank you so much.

781

Um, what would you tell her?

782

Katie Hornsby: Oh, ooh, hmm.

783

I think something.

784

I would tell myself maybe, maybe a

little earlier than starting race tips.

785

I don't know.

786

Amanda Paolicelli: Okay.

787

I'm down for you.

788

Yeah, I dunno.

789

Whatever.

790

I didn't know an exact period.

791

Yeah.

792

Because usually for me in my

life, I always go, what would

793

you tell 19-year-old Amanda?

794

'cause that's when really

like shit hit the fan for me.

795

Mm-hmm.

796

But whatever time in your life that

was like so pivotal where you saw that

797

transformation, what would you tell her?

798

Katie Hornsby: Ooh.

799

I think something that I've always been.

800

Pretty good at, I think

everyone has like a superpower.

801

Yes.

802

Whether you know what

your superpower is or not.

803

Mm-hmm.

804

Is, um, my ability to like just

be chill about things like.

805

Everything's fine.

806

Amanda Paolicelli: I'm so like that

is the most admirable trait about you.

807

I think like when we first became friends,

I was like, damn, this girl is so cool.

808

She's so chill.

809

Thank you.

810

Like, yes.

811

I love that you said

812

Katie Hornsby: that

there's no need to stress.

813

And I think as I've gotten older,

I've become even more chill.

814

And so if I could tell my younger

self, something, it would be maybe

815

to embrace that faster or earlier.

816

Mm.

817

Um, think like leaning into it more.

818

Yeah.

819

Like lean into it.

820

Because I feel like maybe when I was a

little younger, like maybe this is more

821

like college, early adult, I think, you

know, you're comparing yourself to others.

822

It was also covid and to like,

things were weird then too, but a

823

Amanda Paolicelli: weird time.

824

Like a

825

Katie Hornsby: weird time where weird.

826

Amanda Paolicelli: Mm-hmm.

827

Katie Hornsby: But it's

like, it's gonna be fine.

828

Like everything's cool.

829

It's gonna be chill.

830

Embrace that.

831

And like, I think, I wish I would've owned

that as my superpower earlier in life.

832

Mm-hmm.

833

That's a, that's a good

way to kind of phrase it.

834

Um, because yeah, it's all gonna be

fine and if it's not, I'm sure it's

835

going to be in at least some way, or

you've learned something about yourself

836

again, the universe, you figured it out.

837

Amanda Paolicelli: What is your iconic

insight for the Radiant icon community?

838

Katie Hornsby: Loving yourself more.

839

Like think about how much

you love Lando Norris.

840

Yes.

841

Or think about how much

I love Lewis Hamilton.

842

No, I'm serious for a second.

843

Okay.

844

Period.

845

I'm locked in.

846

You better love yourself

more than you love 'em.

847

I do.

848

I

849

Amanda Paolicelli: do

850

Katie Hornsby: love myself

more than I love Lando Norris.

851

But you know, think about, think

about the things you love in

852

life and like you better love

yourself more than you love 'em.

853

So,

854

Amanda Paolicelli: katie, this

was such a good tea time sash.

855

I am so happy that you

came on Dare to be iconic.

856

It was about time.

857

I'm so grateful to have you in my

life and for our friendship, and I

858

still look back at that DM I sent

you about the Spanish Grand Prix.

859

Yeah, I took a screenshot of it.

860

Oh my gosh.

861

Mm-hmm.

862

I sounded so weird, didn't I?

863

I was like, hi, you.

864

Hi Katie.

865

I would see if you would

wanna do a partnership.

866

I'm going to Spanish Grand Prix,

and these are my engagement rates.

867

I would love to chat.

868

Katie Hornsby: And I'm pretty sure, I

have no idea what I said, but I'm pretty

869

sure like you said, yes, absolutely.

870

Amanda Paolicelli: I just like look at it

and I laugh because I'm like, oh my God.

871

To see how it started

to now where we are now.

872

It's like, I know.

873

So, oh my God.

874

But I'm so grateful for

you and for our friendship.

875

Absolutely.

876

And yeah.

877

I

878

Katie Hornsby: thank you.

879

I'm so grateful for you and I

I think back to our first call

880

when we like got on the phone and

881

Amanda Paolicelli: oh my

God, I think we talked

882

Katie Hornsby: for like three hours

and we were like, oh, absolutely.

883

We definitely talked more.

884

Yeah.

885

It just feels like we knew each

other from the beginning and yeah.

886

Shoot your shot, shoot, remember, no.

887

Period.

888

You might find a best friend,

889

Amanda Paolicelli: period.

890

No, genuinely.

891

Genuinely.

892

'cause I don't, if I didn't

reach out to Katie, I don't know

893

how our paths would've crossed.

894

I feel like eventually we would've,

'cause we're both in that F1 and we're

895

in our own small businesses, you know?

896

But yeah, no, it's, it's kind of weird

to think like, it literally was just

897

me shooting a shot and I was so scared.

898

I've never told you this, so

I'm gonna say it now on air.

899

I was so scared to DM you.

900

I was so scared.

901

I was like, oh my God.

902

Like, I hope she doesn't think I'm,

I was like talking myself out of it.

903

Mm-hmm.

904

But it was the best DM I've

ever sent in my entire life.

905

So I got the best friendship of my life.

906

So thank you

907

Katie Hornsby: to you and to

whoever else is listening.

908

Like you can shoot your shot

with me anytime you want.

909

Good, he said, slide into my dm.

910

I said, slide into my dms.

911

Like, oh, you wanna share race tips?

912

Absolutely.

913

You wanna talk of one?

914

Absolutely.

915

Slowly shoot your shot.

916

And that can be, again, not just

with me, shoot your shot with anyone.

917

You never know what

you're gonna get from it.

918

Yeah.

919

What's the worst that happens?

920

They say no, they don't respond.

921

Amanda Paolicelli: And literally

my dad says that all the time.

922

They say no.

923

Okay.

924

And that's their loss period.

925

Yeah.

926

So if you ever need someone to shoot your

shot with, slide into Katie and I's dms.

927

All right, radiant icons.

928

That is your Tea Time session for today.

929

I hope you enjoyed today's episode.

930

If you did, make sure to subscribe,

to leave a comment, to leave a review,

931

to tell your friends about us, to

tell everyone and anyone, because

932

you know we love more radiant icons

in our iconic community of ours.

933

Thank you so much, Katie, for coming on

Dare To Be Iconic and being just a dare to

934

be iconic supporter, a long-term partner.

935

I am so incredibly grateful for your

friendship, Katie, and I just wanna

936

stay on top of this radiant icons.

937

You really never know what's going to

happen unless you believe in yourself

938

and shoot your shot, because Katie and I

would've never crossed paths if it wasn't

939

for me sliding into her dms and shooting

my shot for a collaboration and that one

940

dm it changed my entire life and brought

me such an iconic friendship, and I am

941

just so incredibly grateful for her, her

friendship, and the chance that I took

942

on myself to just go for what I wanted.

943

So I hope this episode was your extra

dose of inspiration to go after what you

944

want, and if it means sliding into the

dms, slide into those dms Radiant icons.

945

But anyway, I will chat with

you all next week for a very,

946

very exciting tea time sesh.

947

I literally, I can't believe I am

saying this, a dream come true,

948

but my favorite Formula one romance

author, Carly Robyn, is coming

949

on The Dare to Be Iconic podcast.

950

Wow.

951

I just got chills.

952

Oh my God.

953

You guys are in for a treat.

954

Carly and I spilled the tea about

confidence, being a woman in

955

a male dominated sports space,

and writing your own story.

956

You definitely do not wanna

miss next week's tea time sesh.

957

So make sure to subscribe.

958

I will talk to you guys next week.

959

Remember radiant icons.

960

Dare to be iconic.

961

Bye.