In this new episode of ‘Narratives of Purpose’, Mariatheresa Samson Kadushi and Shamala Hinrichsen join host Claire Murigande to discuss the innovative app "SheHer" designed to advance women's health by providing accessible healthcare information and fostering a supportive community.

Both Shamala and Mariatheresa emphasise the importance of centring women's dignity in healthcare, highlighting the disparities that still exist in the industry.

They share their personal journeys into the health tech space and the biases female founders encounter when seeking funding, illustrating the broader societal challenges that persist even in progressive sectors like health tech.

By collaborating and leveraging their diverse backgrounds, Mariatheresa and Shamala, together with their three co-founders, aim to revolutionise women’s health and encourage others to join in this vital work.

This episode encourages a rethinking of how healthcare solutions are developed and delivered, advocating for a model that prioritises the voices and needs of women, particularly those from marginalised communities.

Be sure to visit our podcast website for the full episode transcript. 

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CHAPTERS:

00:06 - Welcome to Narratives of Purpose

00:55 - Meet Shamala Hinrichsen and Mariatheresa Samson Kadushi

01:33 - The Mission of SheHer App

03:48 - Shamala's Journey into Health Tech

03:00 - Mariatheresa's Background in Tech

06:30 - Building a Diverse Team for Women's Health

11:18 - The Importance of Women's Stories

21:32 - Challenges Faced by Female Founders

35:48 - Calls to Action for Listeners

38:23 - Closing Remarks and Future Outlook

Welcome back to Narratives of Purpose. You are now tuned into a new episode showcasing unique stories of global change makers who are contributing to make a difference in society.

For those of you who are listening to Narratives of Purpose for the first time, my name is Claire Murigande. I am your host on this podcast which is all about amplifying social impact. If you want to be inspired to take action, then look no further.

You are in the right place. Get comfortable and listen to my conversations.

I am so done with justifying my place in the world or trying to carve out a space for me to be. I am here and I'm here to do the work. And our team is here and it's doing the work.

Regardless of whether you've thrown a million dollars at us or not, we're doing the work.

In today's episode, I do not have one, but two guests. I am joined by Shyamala Hinhaixen and Mar Teresa Samson Kadushi to talk about their app she Her.

The name of their app is a combination of the female pronouns, she and her. Shyamala is based in the United States.

She is the founder and CEO of Hanai, an organization whose mission is to empower women in rural and marginalized communities with easily accessible healthcare information and education. Maria Teresa is based in Germany. She is the co founder of the she her app. Sheher is a project by Hanai. The app provides accurate health information.

It shares women's experiences and facilitates digital access to medical care. Remember to rate and to review our show wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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All right, now let's get started with Maria Teresa and Shamala. I hope you enjoy the discussion as much as I did.

First of all, welcome Maria Teresa. Welcome Shamala. How are you doing today?

We're doing great. Fabulous.

Very excited to be here.

Just for our listeners. Where are you both based if I'm not mistaken? Mario Teresa, are you in Germany?

Yes, I'm based in Hamburg, Germany, but I'm originally from Tanzania, East Africa.

And how about you, Shamola? Where are you joining us from?

I am joining you from sunny San Francisco in California and I am originally from Malaysia, from Southeast Asia.

All right, ladies, so what I usually do on the podcast is I start by introductions and because I'd rather have you speak about yourselves and not me introducing you. So I will add ask you let's start with you, Maria Teresa, to share just a few words of backgrounds for our listeners.

What is your background and how did you become involved in the health tech space as introduced?

I'm Maria Teresa and I am the co founder and I wear multiple hats for both and I and Shihar. I am the CTO and coo. My background is in tech.

I'm a software engineer and I started out of curiosity first in Tanzania, wanting to know more research and learn about challenges that we have in accessibility of healthcare. And then that expanded to a focus on women.

And I believe that technology has a crucial role in leveraging accessibility of healthcare services, medical services for women who are pretty far left behind.

Thank you. And how about you, Shamma?

I come from the medical sciences, so working for a long time, always within like a pharmaceutical or cellular therapeutic. So everything from the very curative perspective. And I had an aha moment when I took a sabbatical and mapped the rural healthcare landscape of India.

We haven't actually set up more hospitals and put more doctors out in rural areas. But we are seeing a drastic uptick in mobile phone technology across nations. We are seeing more and more telecommunications towers coming up.

And that's where I decided to go into. So I'm not originally a techie, but fell into it, or fell upwards into it, if you want to call it that.

The disparity in healthcare and women, I truly believe, comes from a very sad place of lack of information. Information is often held and protected somewhere else and then used as power.

And I see what we do at Hanai as a space where we bring that power, that dignity, that sovereignty back into women's headrooms through their phones.

In a similar podcast like this, I got to meet Maria Teresa some years back and that was magic because we then got together and said we've done all these things. How do we now combine it and create something that's going to revolutionize women's health across the globe? And that's where we're at.

We're just about bringing female dignity back to them through their healthcare.

I love it. I love how you say bringing back dignity because this is something we don't necessarily either talk about or I hear a lot.

You know, I've interviewed Many people I've been to conferences, I mean, I follow, you know, different podcasts, etc. But we don't center back the dignity of the individuals and women particularly. So that's really important.

Thank you for sharing that and the fact that you mentioned that you met Maria Teresa on a podcast.

I have to say that when I looked at she, her app, when I went on the website, something that really caught my attention and I was super excited and absolutely wanted you to be on the podcast for that is that she, her app was designed and built by five women from five different countries. So through my podcast I also just like to show that, you know, we call it diversity, however the term you want to use.

But basically when people get together, people from different perspective, different walks of life and different experiences, that's where there is a lot of complementarity and we actually get to also solve like the most pressing issues.

So I'm really interested to understand how did you get together and decide or realize that all of you together had this power to create a product basically and really influence the course of women's health.

I think like what you said, Claire, there's just this sort of synchronicity when people meet and they've all gone through different life experiences. We all come from different places in the world and different just journeys in our individual healthcare or healthcare of the women around us.

And I think the common factor that keeps this gel together is that we just want to see healthcare changing, that it's going to be going to move a lot more into an individual's hands to do preventive work, to take that serenity back so that we're not driven just purely by curative healthcare at the other end of the spectrum that holds us together. When I met Maria Teresa, I just thought, oh my God, like how do I figure out something where I get to talk to this woman all the time?

Because I just think she's amazing and I wanted an opportunity to continue to work with her. So the team Hanai had built a couple of products. Maria Teresa can talk more about what she'd done.

She had done this phenomenal thing with mobile after I kept quoting her and her work in other talks I was giving and I was like, how amazing it would be if I got to be with this woman that I admire so very much and with the other women that already knew. So we got together in a very wintry weekend, get together in Hamburg in Germany.

And what's interesting about all of us is that we also come from all the different age groups we are all across from childbearing years to menopausal. We come from different places of privilege, different backgrounds, different everything.

So if you can imagine it, it was just like this catalytic place. We could have built a hundred different things.

I think we came up with 100 different ideas and we thought, we'll start with one, we'll start with one. And I think to sort of close it off is what she her shows, and I hope it comes true, is that that it's really built with a woman in mind.

It's really built through our personal. Every time we've had to put our legs up in stirrups, every time we've had a really painful pap smear.

And just to quickly add to that, I mean, first the aspect of the team. I also got very excited when we met because I was the youngest, I am still the youngest in the team.

It was the first time where, while still feeling a bit old in my 30s, being a part of the team, where I felt that I could learn a lot.

And then building from first from lived experiences of these women, our co founders, who all have, as Shama said, they come from different walks of life and also they have different backgrounds. I'm also professionally. So I saw an opportunity also to learn, but to come together and build something for me, that was a very powerful experience.

And now as I'm part of this team for a couple of years, I feel very lucky and really excited to accelerate healthcare for women and play my part in it.

And so what is then the advantage, if I could say of she, her app, if I were to go in my app store and why should I choose SheHerApp for me specifically, right. As a woman, in terms of my health compared to perhaps something that's out there.

And basically, you know, the question is, you know, what are you offering through your app to women?

I mean, I will speak about an aspect that is moving for me personally from Shihar is that we have built this whole application centering ethics, lived experience of a woman.

So what do women go through most women, Most of us, we go through experiences in our health or just in our well being and regular journey feeling like we're in isolation. So if I had a difficult pregnancy, there are things that maybe I will discuss with my doctors, but I would not maybe discuss within the community.

If I have issues with pleasure or I don't enjoy sex with my partner as a woman, I, I don't really openly talk about it and I don't know other women that are also going through the same. It doesn't mean that there are none that are going through the same thing.

So we are bringing together these lived experiences and real life stories of women and sharing them with our users. This is something that differentiates us with other applications.

For example, that you can find on Play Store on Google Store that we really dive deep to share these stories of women. But in addition to that, we also share reliable health information.

So we have a wide range of topics from menstruation to menopause and everything in between, where we educate but also make that information accessible to women.

Now Maria Theresa captured it widely but at the end of the day I think she her epitomizes how women are. It's an app where you can leave your ego and your need to be superior and your need to be constantly all held together.

You leave it outside the app, you come to the app and you get to be just you and share or listen how others have gone through. Because that's one of the huge benefits of the female tribe. We actually talk to one another culturally. Some of us are more adept at it than others.

So this is also a way for the cultures who are not adept at talking to one another to. Now listen.

It can be something as simplistic as talking about the fact that this woman who hit her 40s and just stopped sleeping, she thought she was losing her mind. But the reality is it was actually a menopausal symptom that drove us to start looking into that particular area. Seven years is the average.

Seven years is the average. A woman suffers through various symptoms. It could be all sorts of things.

And I always put myself, I'm able, I can read and write, I have access, a good Internet access and even I struggle. So if I struggle, what more A sister sitting in a refugee camp in Mauritania. How is she going to walk this walk and what am I?

What's Maria Theresa, Elizabeth, Patricia, Victoria. What are we doing then to help ease this walk of a fellow woman? And I think that's where Shia comes in.

We actually are just this like a comfort tool that's with you. You're going to listen and read about what else women have gone through.

And at the same time, it's not just random information that you're pulling out. Anything that we put on there is from a verified source or that we've actually.

The content was pulled together with only medically relevant information, not something that you don't sure about. I think that's the beauty of this. There's so much potential to continue to build this community.

It's a bit broad at the moment because it's not just a language thing, it's a localization thing. And I always laugh about this.

Like, please don't tell a woman sitting in the jungle of Borneo that her baby is the size of an avocado when she's never seen an avocado. Why are we talking to people this way? Like, what is wrong with us? Right. And that's where we're at. Just again, going back to it.

Give the dignity back to the woman, please.

And I like this example about the avocado and having a proper reference. Right. From your own culture or your lived experience, basically. And you wanted to add something, Maria Teresa?

Yeah, I wanted to quickly add that we also expand and go a bit over the edge from topics that are regularly discussed about women. I think a lot of solutions have focused on fertility or at the age when a woman is fertile.

But the age where a woman is fertile is not the whole time that us women live through. So what happens before that? What happens after a woman is not fertile?

Most apps focus on pregnancy or menstruation only, but we want to also discuss things like pleasure for women. Can we educate or inform women about their sexuality without only making it overly medical?

So can we discuss about things like hair loss when a woman is going through menopause? Not only maybe just how they, I mean, I don't know, feeling hot or hot flashes. I think also edging a bit towards the actual experiences of a woman.

Yes, Ramala, I want to jump in.

Because obviously now you brought us into the comfort zone there. We could go on, but I will stop after I made this comment. The additional pink. Maria Teresa pulled out the pleasure part of it.

We all work in development work across the globe, and I'm quite sure you've observed this. The realm of the pleasure of a woman sits always in an overly developed setting because you cannot imagine that someone in.

Yeah, to use the example, a jungle in Borneo or in a refugee camp house, pleasure with sex. Like, it's hard to imagine this for humans. And I find that really bizarre. I Find that just completely mind blowing.

And it goes into this incredible colonial systemic thinking that I know better and I am better because I sit in the global Northwestern privileged world and hence I get to enjoy sex. And that's something that we are now triggering and pushing and prodding at until we break it.

Maybe it's some of us are, but our way to deal with our own colonial pasts.

Absolutely. And the thing I really like about what you explained is that this app is basically a community. Right. Because you're basing also on lived experience.

As you said before, whether it's a different format, audio, video or text, you are sharing actual real stories.

You know, it's not just an app to inform because I'm looking for information, but it would almost be like my group of girlfriends or whoever I talk to. You just go there and we share our stories, you know, without judging or anything. But because this also how we learn as humans.

We learn from each other. Right. So it seems that you've also created this space, which is a sort of virtual community where people can find other stories.

But also, if I'm understanding correctly, I could, for example, go in and share my experience on whatever it is. So how were you able to gather all these different stories or different lived experience to enrich your platform?

Sure. First of all, if you're within the app, there's a space for you to say, I have something to. I want to connect. And then we will get in touch with you.

But the other thing is, Claire, you're doing us a great service because whenever we speak about it, we always then get women to call, oh, yeah, I want to talk about the fact that it hurt for one year after I hurt, I had my baby every time I had sex for a full year. Or some other person said, wants to say, I thought I was pregnant when I was 48. But the reality is it was actually menopause.

It triggers something in people's heads the moment we say whatever we say. And that's the beauty, because if it triggers something in you. And a lot of the time, women also can be shy. They go, oh, but this was so private.

It was just me. The reality is, the moment you say it, it was never just you. Never. That's where the platform comes in. We are trying to just pull you in.

Please talk about it, because I can guarantee you the next person is going to talk about it.

And also, we believe every woman has a story to share. We just need to normalize the conversations. We all live through life and we have our experiences in Our womanhood.

So whether that is in your health journey or the disease that you went through or that you live with, or it's your experience with your pregnancy, or it's just your experience with how you deal with your or how you feel pleasure or the lack of it, or things that are tabooed. I believe every individual has a story to tell or something to tell about their journey. And I think this is the power of normalizing conversations.

But also women find support. I think we've seen in other social platforms especially that we go there, we see glimpse of people's lives and we can relate.

So we stay there because we think, oh, also they do this. Oh, they go through this. They have difficult days or they have happy days.

And I think for women, it's really important to also see what others are going through and find support into seeing that I'm not alone and there's someone also in us who's going through the same thing or in Kenya is going through the same thing. And I feel a bit normal because there are other women just like me.

As founders. So a group of five women, what were your major, I would say challenges or hurdle.

So can you tell us a bit about your founding journey and how has that been for you?

I think the journey that has been among the most cruel parts of being female founders. It's cruel because we walk into rooms, we have everything solidly put together. But the questions we get are very different from a male white founder.

We have to justify ourselves. And that really irks me because I am so done with justifying my place in the world or trying to carve out a space for me to be.

I am here and I'm here to do the work, and our team is here and it's doing the work. Regardless of whether you've thrown a million dollars at us or not, we're doing the work.

It's a challenge, of course, but that's also where the fact that we are a group of co founders helps us because we have each other to lean on. So being a solo founder is probably what is really rough. And if you are a solo founder listening in and you feel alone, get in touch with us.

We can talk to you. We definitely will help support you as well. That is really the cruel part of it, I think. There was a really lovely quote that I read yesterday.

64% of men make it up Mount Everest. Can you guess how many women make it up Mount Everest? The ones who tried. How many make it up?

So from the men, the ones who tried, 64% make it up from the women, from the ones who tried. How many make it up? 100%. And that is pretty much how it is Rwanda's world. It is pretty much that in all the investors portfolios. Let's take a look.

How many male led companies fail? I don't even want to go there. How many female led companies fail? Very few. And I know you think yeah, but.

Also I mean we have data supporting this that in the U.S. where I think financing is a lot Advanced still only 2% of funding goes to women only teens.

2% and in Europe it's 1.8% goes to women only founded teens. And then it goes between 5 to 10% when it's a woman co founder with talk with a male co founder as well.

There is a huge issue and I was watching talks about biases that how are women judged when they go to present their solutions? We as women are required to have a community aspect. We have to always have products that somewhat help.

This is when investors or funders see that there is impact. This is not required for male founders. They can say they want to create a space toy somewhere for no purpose at all, but they will not be.

But how will the community benefit from this? How people going to benefit from this?

But this is almost always required and there's actually from research you have more success raising funding when you put that community aspect first or when that community aspect is communicated.

And I think this also limits women on what they can actually create or build because we cannot just say yeah, I want to accelerate AI and sell products to women because you're going to get asked but how does this actually help? And I think there's also problem with that. There's a bias issue with what women can create versus what men can create.

I want to add something to that Claire, if I may. I think to Maria Theresa's point, I want to talk about particular.

I was invited to speak at a very intimate investor event where everybody in the room had family offices or family money and they were going to throw at it. The guy who went ahead of me was the chief research officer and he spoke about their launching of a single use rocket.

And I was speaking right after because there was a special project to launch like in some islands to connect refugees who are coming into healthcare. And I was trying to figure out how do we quickly enable them because people still leave when they, when they start there journey of running.

They still could get phones with them. It's still something that they try to do because you want to try and get in touch with family quickly using all of that. Yeah.

I'm going to leave it to you.

To guess, like right after we finished talking, where did everyone congregate to to find out more? Was it with the project that was about helping refugees? No. Everybody ran after the single use rocket.

This guy was standing there and saying, we are not raising money at the moment. And people were asking him, why are you not raising money? Because I would like give you money. This is the most blatant way of telling the story. But.

But all of us and many other founders that you speak to will tell you similar experiences when we felt so diminutive in a room. Because you're like, why? Why am I trying to save the world when I should just build a rocket?

If you build a rocket, you will not get funding, Sean, because they will think, why should we give this woman money to build a rocket, to build this toy?

So from your experience, is it because there's more men who are the investors? Because I would tend to think that, you know, if you also have more women investing, then maybe they also see that perspective.

But you know, tell me if I'm wrong, what's your experience there?

You're absolutely right. It's still white. White males are the major funders still at the moment.

And that's something that would be of interest for you as well in your podcast, like to connect you to this. The women were pushing the needle because they're also coming in. It takes all of us working at this together.

I have female friends who are trying to start funds so that they can look for female led projects to push and elevate. They do really well. So there's that whole other landscape as well.

There are organizations out there called Women Moving Millions who are just essentially women who are putting it together and trying to push. But primarily it's still very male that at this juncture in our lives, it's still a male led ecosystem which disadvantages a lot of women.

And I think, yes, women fund women. We need more of women who finance women. In the past startups that I've worked in, I co founded Mobile afia.

We only received financing from women, even though we pitched to more men than women. So I think, yeah, there is a need to have more women investors and more women led funds that actually believe in women and the work that they want.

And so coming back to she, her app and you know, what you offer to users, have you been able to sort of quantify or even in a qualitative manner the impact of your application? So Far.

So the impact that we are targeting, apart from normalizing conversations, is to reduce the knowledge gap.

In the effort to broaden accessibility, we want to increase the knowledge on health and wellbeing for women, specifically gynecological health, but also other aspects of health. And we're able to measure this from the app metrics.

So from analytics, we are able to see how many women are reading or listening to which topic or which story. And also we measure the knowledge before.

So we have done this small survey where we have asked users what do they know about different topics, and we measure after a few months, the knowledge that they have after using the application. So this is something that we can provide data and statistics from, but also the provision of support.

So we are able to see how many women interact with our child, how many women are questions. And we can also measure impact from the numbers or from the data that our users produce.

I think the most crucial bit, Claire, is that we are seeing a lot of the 0 to 1 impact in almost everything we cover. And I love that space, like I would love to lead my life constantly in zero to one space.

And we get to measure that zero to one spot because it always goes from having known nothing to having known something.

In the long term, I think one of the places that we want to make sure that we get at is like, in the overarching economics of healthcare, where do we land? How does a tool like SheHerApp help the overall economics around healthcare?

Like, if you are able to get women to do a lot more preventive work, a lot more care on the outside, how do we then not burden the entire healthcare system?

That's where we want to land at with this particular product and for whatever other products we will continue building is the overarching economics of it, because that's where we can eventually influence healthcare outcomes. It's where that's a sweet spot that we as a team of founders are all wanting to get to.

And so to that point, you know, looking forward, what is your outlook in terms of not only from the she her app perspective, but if we look at health tech in general and femtech in particular, how do you see this space moving obviously through your contribution as well with she her app?

Sometimes I feel that terminology health tech can be quite deceiving. Because the tech part is not the magic, it's the enablement part that's the magic.

Because health care as a blast, and you think about it, it moves as it moves, and there's only that much that we do there to move it and everything else outside of it. There's still this huge swamp that we have. We get to swim in and play in and create and work in.

There's so much to do and there's so much space for anyone else to jump in and push this forward too. You won't be able to do it alone. I think partnerships work a lot. Being able to get together and do it works a lot.

I think that's sort of where we will continue to work in moving that, using whatever tools that's available, be it mobile technology or whatever else, we will grasp it and move it along.

And at the end of the day, I think if someone's sitting in the depth of an Alaskan village tells us that, or she helped me during my menopausal years, or, you know, someone in the outback in Australia tells us that that's probably going to be the success that we want to take and try and replicate because we've done something here.

While the work doesn't bring in the millions yet, it does bring a lot, a lot of gratification when we hear an individual saying, oh, I didn't know that.

And I think that's a reward that we take and that's the reward we will continue to work with and that's the space that we're going to continue to operate in as we move along.

Yes, I think for me, in the near future, especially with Shihar, I want to see data driving policies and data driving decision making, especially for women's health.

I think highlighting stories or excavating all these lived experiences that usually end up in the dark corners of life and bringing them up to surface and saying, we know data tells us that 70% of women live with chronic pain or some level of pain, but 80% of all financing in research towards pain go to men. We want to tell the stories of these women who go through chronic pain and live with it.

And maybe that if we have enough information, we have enough data, we have the backup of people who have actually also reviewed and seen this and we want to write towards some budget or towards the virtual policy, we are able to use this data to drive this decision making.

And I think this is where the role of fintech and applications like she ha can really contribute because we are generating this information, this data, especially in emerging technologies that does not exist. And as we are, I think, accelerating towards, for example, AI.

We just had this discussion yesterday that we don't have enough information, even with large language models that we can trust, that we can say we can provide Information without misinformation.

We want to contribute to the accessibility and the build of, for example, data models or language models to ensure that information about women health are reliable. They're also. They're reliable and they're accessible.

And I think here we have a role to play and within 10 years I think we will be able to achieve this.

So what would be your call to.

Action at this point for our listeners?

For example? Right. I can already tell you that the majority of the podcast listeners are women.

So one thing for sure is to say, you know, I'll put the link in the show notes, people can check the app, at least the website, download the app if they want, and contribute. Is there anything that you'd like to share for our listeners before we close?

First thing for me on top of my mind is finance women's work, fund women, believe in women, but also for female listeners or for women themselves, be adopters of women's work.

So when you see solutions that are built by women and even though you cannot finance, but you can use that app and increase engagement of that application, but also you can be part of the feedback group, you can just try it so that you can give us feedback to build better. So that will be my call to action for women and for all listeners.

Thank you. And you, Shamila.

I would add to that is if any one of you listening has had an inkling that you wanted to start something but you're not sure how. I think drop us a line.

We have space in our lives and in our hearts to start you off because that's the only way we're going to continue improving female healthcare across the globe is if everyone jumps into it with us. So please do get in touch with us.

Maria Therese, thank you so much for joining me today. It's been a pleasure. And as I like to say, I will continue to follow your work and maybe in a while we get a part two of this conversation.

Hopefully.

Yes. Thank you for having us, Claire. I cannot believe that the time flew by.

I could go on talking, hence the part two. I was already anticipating that.

Yeah. Thank you for having us. We're looking forward to the part two. Let's do it.

Thank you so much for tuning in today. I appreciate you taking the time.

That was episode 75, a conversation with Maria Teresa Samson Kadushi and Shamila Hinhaixson on broadening accessibility of medical services for women through digital health tools. I encourage you to reflect on Shyamala and Maria Theresa's calls to action in supporting women led initiatives.

You can find all the information about their app on the website sheher App. As always, the link is available for you in the show Notes. If you enjoyed this episode, please share.

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And if you're curious for more content about women's health from fascinating conversations on our podcast, be sure to listen to our special series released earlier this year in March in episodes 66 to 70. You can also listen to episode 38 talking about women's heart health, plus episode 42 focusing on midlife health.

Join me again in two weeks for the last episode showcasing female innovators moving the needle in the women's health space. Until then, take care of yourselves, stay well, and stay inspired. This podcast was produced by Tom at Rustic Studios.