Throughout the conversation, Pastor Kyle Yumang shares his perspective on servant leadership. For him, leadership is not about authority or titles. It is about serving others, building genuine connections, and creating spaces where people can grow. This mindset shows up in both his ministry and his work as an artist, allowing him to reach people in meaningful and relatable ways.

We also talk about the challenge of staying grounded in purpose, especially in uncertain seasons. Kyle emphasizes the importance of knowing your intrinsic value, separate from achievements or recognition. He encourages leaders to pursue authenticity, to balance personal fulfillment with responsibility, and to remain committed to serving their communities.

Ultimately, this episode is about more than faith or creativity alone. It is about leading with empathy, living with intention, and building communities where people feel seen, valued, and inspired to grow.

Takeaways:

1. The journey of leadership is profoundly influenced by one's upbringing and community.
2. Success is not solely determined by one's location or background but rather by individual effort and creativity.
3. Understanding and integrating faith into modern contexts can significantly impact community engagement.
4. A healthy balance between personal fulfillment and professional responsibility is essential for effective leadership.

References mentioned in this episode:

1. Not Klyde
2. Rock Generation Church

Welcome back to the eh list. Today I'm pleased to be joined by my friend who's blended creativity, leadership and community impact throughout his journey.

From his work in our church, Pastor Kyle has blended his artistic identity as Not Klyde.

He's led teams, inspired people, and carved out space rooted in purpose and authenticity while keeping faith at the center of everything that he does. Please join me in welcoming Mr. Kyle Yumang.

Hey, how's it going? Thank you for having me.

So, Kyle, you grew up in, I guess, what's now my hood, Queensborough, New Westminster. So how has that community shaped you and helped create who you are today?

I feel like when you talk about Vancouver or even the, like, surrounding cities, you don't really talk about Queensborough. It's kind of this niche, you know, in between New west and Surrey, little side detour.

I'm not too sure how it shaped me, but I know the people around me definitely played a huge role in, like, who I am now. I think it's something about being in a place that no one knows about that almost gives you a little bit of an edge.

It could easily be, I'm not set up for any type of greatness, or I'm not set up for any type of success or victory. But I think if anything for me, it like fueled some kind of fire in me, which was like, yeah, I'm from Queensborough. You know, as.

As weird as it sounds like, where is that? Is that in England? Some people say. Is that in Europe? No, it's in. It's in Vancouver.

But yeah, I think just seeing parallels of in scripture, in the Bible, Jesus coming from a place that no one expected anything great to come out of.

That idea of we don't have to be given everything for success or for greatness or for any type of purpose or fulfillment, but it's everything that you are willing to step into.

I love that we're not defined by where we're from or what's being given to us, but what we can create. And I think your success and passion, not only building Rockgen as a church, but building your own brand, Not Klyde.

Building a family now with Ila and your lovely wife, Richie. If you had to look back to when you were growing up, were there any early signs that you would end up in some sort of leadership or creative role?

I don't know about leadership because growing up, the only thing I always heard was Kyle is a great kid. He is really smart, but he talks a lot. So if leadership.

If leadership is really, I guess if leadership gravitates towards people that just tend to talk a lot and then figure it out along the way as they talk, then 100% leadership kind of was, you know, present early on, but other than that, maybe not so much leadership, but definitely creativity. I think I was just always someone that thought outside the box and saw things in a different way.

I don't know if that's because I was in the type of household or family I was in, but definitely music and art was always very alluring to me and from a very early age. So. Yeah.

And, you know, you and I both know your dad fairly well, and he's obviously a big personality and a pillar of leadership in the. In our respective communities. Was that challenging to perhaps live around that sort of personality when you were younger?

And how did that shape who you are?

Yeah, I think. I think on paper it should seem. Seem really tough.

Not that there weren't any tough moments, but I think it, like, on paper it feels like it should have been tougher than it was. But I think a big thing that he really made sure to establish early on was he was never comparing me to him.

There was never this, you're my son, so you have to act this way or you gotta behave this way because you're my son. A lot of the things that he wanted me to be was never connected to because I am.

It was always connected to because it's right or because that's the way you should be, or that's what Jesus says you should be or whatever. But none of it was ever connected to him.

So I didn't really feel what I think a lot of past pastors, kids feel, which is this pressure to perform because a parent is a certain way, seen a certain way, or viewed a certain way by the community. I didn't really get that. I didn't get the. Isn't your dad a pastor? You gotta be better. You gotta be the best kid.

You gotta know all the answers in the Bible class or whatever. I didn't really get that I was. I was really allowed to be myself.

I think that was really what was able to spark this discovery and this, like, wonder in young Kyle.

Like, the freedom to just be and to pursue what I wanted to pursue and to discover the things that I liked instead of it being because my dad is a pastor and he's a very big personality. If you know him like, he. His personality can take up a lot of space and fill the room, but it never felt suffocating to me.

It always felt like if he can do that, and he can be that it. And he's not pressuring me to be any way. Well, then let's see who I can be. So.

Well, you've certainly challenged the status quo as it relates to what it means to be a leader in the faith community. In particular, the digital presence you've built, the community, the support. It's inspiring.

So to come from the old way of things, how they were done, to where things are going. It's been really cool to see how you guys have blended traditional faith with modern, modern faith.

And I don't know if you have much to say about that transition, because you're really helping trailblaze that.

Yeah, I think it's just in terms of our faith community, really seeing scripture, seeing what Jesus taught, seeing what we can find in the Bible, and not just understanding what it meant for them in that time, not just understanding what it means globally, universally, but really how it impacts us today in our culture, in our spheres, in our spaces. How does this timeless truth impact and shape how we should live today?

Because I think we can know a lot of things and we can know a lot of good truths, but if we don't know how it actually affects us daily, I think it's just an encyclopedia of knowledge that really has no real effect on your life.

And so I think this, I guess, desire to maybe blend, if you'd say, or collaborate these ideas we find in Scripture, the truth of God, with more of a modern look or sound or view, it really comes from the desire to let Scripture be real and, like, effective in our life today. Yeah, because I think it. We don't go.

Church is not a museum that we just go to to see what's right, but it's a living and breathing community that should affect how we live daily.

Beautiful. And how did you find yourself first stepping into leadership? What was the first role where you realized, oh, wow, like, these people are.

In my career,

I think probably in. In school, like in middle school and high school, the more I'd.

The more I'd really engage with the lessons and the things that were taught, I feel like I kind of took on more of a leadership role as far as assigning, delegating, maybe because I didn't want to do a lot of the work. So if I was able to delegate the work around in a way that was efficient. Oh, you're the one that's always answering the questions in class.

Teacher loves you. Okay. You can be the communications person or. Oh, you do, really? You're really quiet, silent, but you do really well in your tests and papers. Okay.

You can write the thing for us. Oh, Kyle, what are you doing? Oh, I'm. I'm helping organize our group projects. So I think in that sense, definitely seeing that.

But in more of an ownership of leadership, probably in our youth ministry, the more I really found this love for not just. Not just faith, but people, I found myself taking up more of the spaces that would help encourage and care for people.

Care for their walk, care for their, you know, their journeys. And I think that's pretty much it. I love that word care.

I love how you said that, that you are kind of in this capacity or in this role to care for people. I think those. Those would be the first.

The first moments I could think of school to get out of work, and our youth ministry to really care for people. People.

Well, it is clear that you care when. From what I've seen from your. The way you lead. But when things get tough, maybe morale or people lose focus. How do you bring the energy back?

I think just remembering why you do what you do and remembering what fueled you or gave you the passion in the first place is kind of a great soft reset for your own mental. Your own checklists. And then that extends to the people that you get to serve or the people that you get to work with.

Remembering from the beginning, from the inception, why do we do what we do? Like, what's the real heart behind it?

I think with all the different urgencies and the different things that can come up along the way, sometimes we can kind of lose sight or lose heart behind the real drive behind why we started. And so kind of resetting everything and saying, okay, let's go back to square one in the sense of remembering why do we love doing this?

Remembering why do we care about this? I think even that is.

It sounds easy, it sounds simple, but I think it makes a world of a difference of, hey, why did you care about this in the first place? And that thought, that mindset kind of resets the heart to where you're.

You're going through the daily things and the different burdens or the different struggles that, that, that pile on, morale's dipping and people aren't as excited to show up. They're not as. And when they're not excited to show up, they're not going to be excited to perform or outperform themselves and how they used to be.

And so when those things happen, when those seasons come, which it's inevitable, everyone kind of has those waves. It's this.

Let me reset Let me step back, let me breathe and remember why I cared about this to begin with, why we wanted to start this thing, why we were so adamant in seeing this vision through or pursuing this mission. Just that reminder, I think that that's really what. What holds things together.

I love it. Yeah. The mission, vision, values and kind of the root of why people are there in the first place helps bring things back and rebuild morale.

And things might be tough. Tough because everyone is going to go through challenging times. It's not a question of if, it's when.

Right.

And the core and depth of the relationship you have with those people that you're working with can help rebuild.

Yeah. If I can add real quick, me and my wife for three years, married now, coming up on four years in a couple months.

I saw this Instagram reel where this husband and wife, on their wedding day, they wrote a couple letters to each other.

They had, like, a bottle of wine from that year, I think, or the year that they were dating, and they sealed it up in this wooden box with, like, glue, and they really sealed it up. And they said if they ever got into a season where they were just going through it and there was.

There was tension in the relationship and things were just not how it was, and things were.

Their commitment to each other was they'd take the box out and they would break the box open, take some time to read the letter to one another, come together and share the glass of wine. Share the bottle of wine and see how that will remind them of, this is why we did this in the first place. This is why we cared.

And so I think that's just a testament if that works in marriage. I mean, hopefully that works in the workplace. It works in, you know, know our teams.

But, yeah, the power of remembering why we started in the first place, why

I love that is wine is generally better with age. So hopefully it takes a while before you need to have to potentially replace the box if you do.

So that's actually some good, good marriage advice there.

Yeah, that's the idea to bring it back.

Now, are there any principles or habits that you sort of center yourself around when you. When it comes to building consistency in a team?

I love that word consistency, specifically with a team. We actually just had a meeting yesterday where we talked about consistency and we, we likened it to working out specifically for our community.

It's working out. Our faith is really the priority. But we, we compared it to, like, working out our body.

And we said, fit is frequent, that I am only as fit, as frequent as I go to the gym. I can't expect to go to the gym once a month for three months and expect a body that looks like three months of working out.

No, I have the body that looks like three workout sessions. And so fit is frequent. For our space, we said we need to be frequent in three different areas.

We need to be frequent in word, reading, God's word, and worship. We need to be frequent in forgiveness, and we need to be frequent in vision. And we gotta be frequent in all those three aspects.

And if anything starts to dip, we can almost connect it to some of the tensions we find when we try to perform. We said that worship and word is our depth as a leader in the faith community.

Your depth is everything because you don't want to be a leader that has a lot of vision and has a lot of forgiveness but has no depth because you're unreliable. People can't really come to you for real problems because you lack depth.

And in the next way, you can be really affluent in your worship, in reading your word. And you are really great at vision, but you have no forgiveness, you have no selflessness.

You become a cult of personality, and no one wants to put their trust in someone that's all about themselves. And then lastly, you can be affluent in worship and word.

You can forgive a lot, but if you have no vis vision, you're just a coworker that comes in, clocks in, gets the job done, silent quits, and leaves with no real excitement, energy, or vision to cast into the future.

For us, it really all boiled down to how are we consistent in a way that burnout isn't from performing at a pace where we aren't able to rest and recover well. And that all happens when you're fit. We said that going to the gym is a chore until it becomes a lifestyle.

Being fit is a chore until it becomes a lifestyle. So pursuing consistency will feel like a chore until it becomes a lifestyle.

I love that being fit is a chore until it becomes a lifestyle.

It's so true, whether it's actual fitness, whether it's your spiritual fitness, showing up to work, showing up for your family, it's the consistency and making sure you prioritize what's important to you, your family, your community. So I love that, Kyle, and thank you for being such a leader in our community.

Now, outside of your work with the church, Kyle, you've been involved in several entrepreneurial projects. What have those experiences taught you about ownership and building something from the ground up?

It's not easy.

I Think some of the things I've learned is everyone wants to be their own boss, everyone wants to start their own business, Everyone wants to be the one that says, oh, I'm gonna do it on my own and I'm gonna build this thing. I want to get out of the nine to five is what a lot of people I've heard from, a lot of people that ask me, how did you do it?

How did you get out of that nine to five?

And now that I'm kind of in this journey where I can look back and have some hindsight, I say, until you're ready to be 24 7, you're not ready to leave your 9 to 5. People think that if you're your own boss, you get to decide your own hours and do your own thing, which is true.

But if you're your own boss, the success of whatever you're trying to create, the success or whatever you're trying to build, will only be how much you're willing to put into it. And so if you're barely able to put in a 9 to 5, how much more are you going to be able to put in a 24 7?

When it's under your career, it's under your ownership, you have authority over it. Whether it fails or it falls is on you all the more. You can't turn it off. You can't just clock out and say, okay, my nine to five is done now, boss.

It's all up to you. And you go home, you're the boss. There is no turning it off.

Unless you're intentionally healthy as an entrepreneur, healthy business owner, and say, okay, I gotta leave some things at work. Unless you're doing that. Unless you're ready to really be 24 7. Yeah, I don't think it's. It's advisable to leave the 9 to 5.

It's good feedback, right? I think people that 9 to 5 is a great place to learn, build skills and build up some financial reserves so you can take that leap.

And the best entrepreneurs I find are usually the ones who build a bit in the evenings and weekends, kind of living that 247 early.

And then when the timing is right for them to make that jump, they have the skills, the network, and the financial reserves to make it work, as opposed to thinking, oh, well, I can just work less and chill out and play video games and not do anything and somehow you're successful. That's clearly not going to work.

Yeah, it's a huge trend right now. Actually. A lot of people that I See on the rise on TikTok, on these different social media platforms, they still work nine to fives.

Some of them are still in school and they're like, why are you still in school? Why are you still working this nine to five? You're. You have a couple hundred thousand followers on TikTok. Just do your own thing.

And I don't think that they see the value in not just creating and building something new, but also being equipped where you're planted, also being inspired to do this because you're equipped from where you come from.

Yeah.

I think for as long as you can continue to soak in knowledge, as long as you can continue to be formed, equipped wherever you're planted, I think let yourself be fortified there before you can even think to go out and start your own thing with no connections, no network, no money, no money, which is huge because it's gonna be your money that is funding your business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great advice. And I think there's almost like an overvaluation to, like, followers as it relates to your own business success.

So I think I've seen some very successful business owners with a very small social media account, but they have very deep relationships with the clients and people that are engaging because behind every follower is another human being. And if you had a room full of a hundred people, you're going to be on your best behavior doing, treating them all with such respect.

But then if you think of that on a social platform, many people think, oh, that's not a big number. Well, it all depends on what your goals are.

True. That's good. That's a good way to put it.

Now you've built a name for yourself, Kyle, as an artist under the name Not Klyde. How's your journey influenced the way that you connect with people and inspire those around you?

I think for me, I almost see everything through a pastoral lens. I can't really help it. I can't turn it off as easily.

So I think for me, as being an artist, a rapper, but also being a pastor, it gives me a maybe unique kind of perspective that I can see things that might be unseen for a lot of the other people who are just artists or just musicians or just rappers. Yeah, I think I navigate it maybe differently than others would.

More of knowing that whatever I'm building is really not for me or really about me, but for the people around me and really about who I represent. And for me, I believe I represent Jesus. And so as I go out to these shows, as I, you know, write this Music.

As I release the music and do all these things, I'm doing it from a very clear starting point, which is it's not me, but it's God through me. And it's not for me, but it's for the people that get to lean in and maybe be blessed by it or encouraged or inspired by it.

So I think my faith journey, my pastoral journey, my music journey, they've all kind of held hands now in the season that I'm walking in and really all inform one another.

Is there ever a time when they don't point in the same direction or do they always seem to be aligned?

I think the times that they don't point in the same direction is usually the times where I find I've inserted too much of my own ego or my own agenda. Agenda into the mix that start to maybe shift things or get things off track.

The more I can really be grounded, the more I can not just perform my best, but the more I can see the clearest. I think it's easy to get lost in the success of things. It's easy to get lost in the number of things.

It's easy to get lost in how many people are saying, you're so good or this and that or this music or this song was so amazing. It's easy to get caught up and to be like, yeah, I am just that guy. I'm him. I'm untouchable. No one can touch me. I'm.

It's easy to get caught up in it because it's so many. It's so much sweet things being, you know, whispered. Yeah. Being whispered to you. But I think letting yourself be grounded is.

I think it is the difference between being great now and having something that has longevity. Having something that can last when the trends change.

Having something that can last when social media changes or when things like, things that we have now look different in the next couple years. Having that space where you can be grounded, know what your values are, know what your principles are, know what your morals are.

Knowing who you are, I think is. Is really important and has been really important for me.

I am happy that in our spaces, in our young adults, in our church, people aren't really fans and they're not really like, oh, my gosh, this. This new song was so good. And it's just a wave of people coming to me and I'm just like. I'm like hovering over the ground. Yes. Tell me more.

I'm glad that they don't notice my posts sometimes or they don't Notice these different things because I'm not anyone. I'm just me. I'm not this sensation. Stepping into the no. So it's very grounding, and it's very humbling. I get told off by pastor, my own dad.

I get corrected by the elders, humbled. I get told no by my fellow leaders. I get told, I don't think we should do that. A lot more than the praise.

And I think it's healthy in the sense that I'm not allowing any of the things that I can touch to affect who I am. Because if I can allow the things that I can hold in my hands to affect who I believe I am, what.

Well, then what happens when in one season, the things I used to hold, I don't hold them anymore? Yeah, what happens in one season, the success that I used to have, I don't have it anymore. Does that mean now who I am has. Oh, who I am now?

Oh, I suck. It's like the complete opposite, right? The complete. Like the mountaintop in the valley. I suck. I'm worthless.

I will never touch a computer or a mic ever again. No. It's like the things that I do are just things that I do and get to do. Who I am is completely separate. The things I do don't inform who I am.

Who I am informs the things that I do.

And when you reach those crossroads, Kyle, how do you. How do you realign? What's your sort of your process when you're unsure?

Scripture says, he who finds a wife finds a great thing. And so now in the season of being married and we have a little baby, my wife has been a huge. A huge.

Not just support, but a huge voice in my life that really gets to tell me for real how things are, how I am, how I've been, who I'm becoming. Things that maybe other people around you wouldn't say unless you've given them really a long. A long stretch to be able to speak into you like that.

But if anything else, if all else fails, I know my wife can. Can really speak to those things in me. Things get misaligned, things fall short. I can always. Hey, this is what I've been thinking about.

She can kind of just talk to me through that.

I'd agree with you for sure. We both have chosen pretty inspiring, powerful women who can lead in their own right, but help us be better versions of ourselves.

So that's a great first place to start. Now, what drives you to keep pushing forward when things feel uncertain?

I think what drives me to keep Pushing even when things are uncertain. I think it's purpose. I think purpose exists whether or not we know the next step.

I think purpose exists whether or not we feel confident about the next step.

And so I think having a strong and clear understanding of what you believe your purpose is will really help, like, will really help you navigate those moments where you're unsure about what the next quarter of your life will look like or your business will look like or the next season of your life will look like.

In those moments, you get to not trust in the stats or the numbers that you see in front of you, but you get to trust in the purpose that's kind of guiding you through the fog. And for me, that purpose is really rooted in Christ.

It's really rooted in knowing that I'm not here to have the best life here, but that this life is just transitory. This life is just an in between for me because I believe that eternal life is waiting for. For us. And so this is like the preparation.

So having everything kept in perspective. I'm never too big for myself that I lose sight of what I'm supposed to be doing.

And I'm never so small to myself that I'm just, like, whipping myself over the back and do better, do better, perform better. No, I know exactly who I am. I know exactly what my purpose is, and I know exactly where he's leading me through and where he's calling me to.

And you can really apply that in every aspect of your life, that if you have no clear idea of the purpose behind things, well, then it might be purposeless. And that's where a lot of the fog or uncertainty or maybe fears start to creep in or start to arise.

Yeah. Bringing it back to the word that we are on this journey and we're really just a vessel in some sense.

That is a very clear way to keep yourself grounded through times of uncertainty. Now, yeah. You recently became a father. We both recently became fathers. How has being a parent changed the way that you show up as a leader?

And how do you look at responsibility?

I think it might not change how others feel my leadership, but I think it changes how I view my leadership and how I approach my own leadership in the sense that I really put into order what matters. Like, what actually matters.

What really, for me in this moment right now, what matters does the extra hour here, the extra hour there, does that matter as much as spending an extra hour with my baby, that I don't know how fast she's growing and I don't realize it until I look and I'm like, you're so big or you've grown so much. And so I really get to survey these different moments, like the amount of time that I have in a day, and really prioritize what matters.

What can I delegate? What are things that only I can do, what am I best at doing?

And what are the things that I can let others handle, even at 40% capacity compared to me? Okay, what can I let them handle and let them grow into versus I got to do all these things, and I got to make sure that all these things they're on.

They're all on top of things. Okay, can I delegate that and let someone be on top of being on top of things so it really like how they feel.

My leadership might not have changed, but how I feel about my leadership I think changed a lot. I really put a lot of things into priority, and I get to see life like that.

Yeah, we want to be the best dads we can, but still continue to excel in our other commitments in life. Now, if someone years from now were going to describe your impact, what would you want them to say about the work that you've done?

For the work I've done, I'd love that they would say that my work has always felt joyful and freeing. As for the person that I am, I hope that they would say that I was always inspiring and comforting.

I think would be the two for who I am and the things that I do. And I think, well, I hope that sums up everything I get to touch.

I think that's a wonderful viewpoint to be able to inspire those and keep them motivated and feel joyful about life. The world needs more of that. So thank you. I can attest and say that's how I would describe you. So I think you've nailed it.

You know yourself really well. Now, how can you personally define fulfillment at this stage in your life?

I think fulfillment is, for lack of a better word, being full.

But specifically being full with the things that will actually fill you and not with the things that will just leave you yearning more or desiring more or craving more, but actually being fulfilled. I can kind of see a difference, or I feel like there's a difference between being satisfied and being fulfilled. I think I can be.

I can be satisfied with a meal for now versus being fulfilled. I don't know that I've ever said after a meal, oh, I'm so fulfilled after a meal. I only say I'm satisfied or I'm full. I never say I'm fulfilled.

Because in my mind, fulfillment has this sort of absolute aspect to it. Whereas after this meal, I'm satisfied, but there's another meal in a couple hours, or there's another meal in a cup, you know, in the next day.

So I think fulfillment is not chasing the things that just satisfy us, but chasing the things that really make us full and not lacking or yearning or empty in the next couple moments.

Now, that really stands out in the Filipino community because we're always looking forward

to the next meal. Yeah, after the meal, we're saying, where are we eating for dinner?

What advice would you give to someone who's just starting to find their place as well?

Leader, I would say, and I'm seeing things through a faith lens. I always see things through that.

So I'd say, as you're finding out who you want to be or who you are as a leader, I'd say know really well who you are as a servant.

Something I love about the life of Jesus in the Bible is that we see that he characterizes leadership not by demanding on a mountain, but by serving in the valley.

Not by yelling out instructions and yelling out commands on top of the buildings, but by getting down and washing the feet of the people that he's serving. He says he didn't come to be served, but he came to serve.

And he models this idea of servant leadership that I think if you are really wanting to know who you are as a leader, know who you are as a servant. Because in the practical sense, you know what kind of leaders you don't want to follow.

Like, as a servant, you know the type of personality or you know the type of leader that you don't want to follow. So you know the type of leader you don't want to become.

That's in the practical sense, in the more maybe mental, emotional, spiritual sense, you know what you're made of not when you can lead people, but when you can serve people.

And so it's in those moments where you are placed in a servant position, a position to really pour out or a position to really care for, that you can discover the type of leader you can be when you get to that space.

Because for me, I want to follow a leader that doesn't think more about themselves than the people around them, but someone that actually cares for the people that are placed in his care.

I don't want to follow a leader that, like I was saying earlier on paper, can checklist a lot of things, but doesn't really have much depth to who they are. And so there's not much reliability.

I know exactly the type of leader that I don't want to follow because as a servant, as a follower, I get to see things. So then in turn I know exactly the type of leader that I want to become and it's everything that's not those things.

So I would say to the person discovering who they want to be as a leader, discover who you are as a servant, discover who you are as a follower and know yourself in that role really well.

Love that.

So, Kyle, we've touched on a number of themes today, particular about your journey as a leader in the faith community, how you tie that into the artistic side of your life and found success in that way. If people love what they've heard today and want to get more from you, where's the best place for them to find?

Find you? Wherever you listen to music, I go by the name of not Klyde N O T space K L Y D E My socials are the same not Klyde, not Klyde.com.

everything is just not Klyde. Or you can come to church. I'll see you on a Sunday at Rock Generation Church. We're at Landmark Cinemas in New Westminster, theaters 9 to 10.

Yeah, I'd love that. I'd love to see more people coming as well. I do my best to invite and I'm trying to be more of a bringvite type person, so.

Well, Kyle, thank you so much for sharing some time today, sharing some of your journey. Any final words before we wrap?

I guess if you're listening, know that you have purpose in this life. Your purpose is not to perform. Your purpose is to become. And the things that you hold don't define you.

You are defined by something much greater than what you can create, what you can build. And so don't let the things that you hold fuel who you are as a person, but really discover who you are as a person and let that be your fuel.

You're loved. You are so loved, more than you could imagine. You are adored exactly as you are.

And that, yeah, there's more to this life than some of the tough things we can experience today.

Thanks, pk Appreciate you.

Thanks so much for having me. It.