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What Should Jurors Do When Something Feels Wrong in Court?
Episode 55126th May 2026 • Lawyer Talk: Off the Record • Stephen E. Palmer - Attorney At Law
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Examining Rebecca Hill’s Role in the Murdaugh Jury Controversy

We’re picking up the conversation about the Alex Murdaugh trial—specifically, a really interesting question from one of our listeners about jury misconduct.

What happens if you’re a juror and you notice something shady, but the person you’re supposed to report it to is the one causing the problem?

Steve chats through the real-life dilemma of blowing the whistle, who you’re supposed to trust in the courtroom, and how things are supposed to go down when there’s a problem on the jury.

Whether you’re a courtroom drama fan or just curious about how these big cases work behind the scenes, you’ll definitely want to stick around for this episode!

What should a juror do if they suspect jury misconduct, like in the Murdaugh case? If a juror suspects misconduct similar to the Murdaugh case, they should try to alert the judge directly, even publicly if necessary, as the person they would normally report to may be implicated. Speaker A explains that it’s possible to ask to speak privately with the judge or submit a note if other channels are compromised.

How are concerns about jury tampering typically reported during a trial? Concerns about jury tampering are typically reported by passing a note to the judge, raising a hand with a question, or communicating concerns through a bailiff. During trial proceedings, judges often invite such questions from jurors before starting, and both parties must be informed.

Why might jurors hesitate to report issues if the person in charge is involved? Jurors might hesitate to report issues if the person overseeing them—like the jury coordinator—is involved, because that person holds a position of trust and authority. Steve Palmer points out that this relationship can create a confidential dynamic that discourages whistleblowing, especially if jurors feel the trusted official is manipulating them.

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Recorded at Channel 511.

Stephen E. Palmer, Esq. has been practicing criminal defense almost exclusively since 1995. He has represented people in federal, state, and local courts in Ohio and elsewhere.

Though he focuses on all areas of criminal defense, he particularly enjoys complex cases in state and federal courts.

He has unique experience handling and assembling top defense teams of attorneys and experts in cases involving allegations of child abuse (false sexual allegations, false physical abuse allegations), complex scientific cases involving allegations of DUI and vehicular homicide cases with blood alcohol tests, and any other criminal cases that demand jury trial experience.

Steve has unique experience handling numerous high publicity cases that have garnered national attention.

For more information about Steve and his law firm, visit Palmer Legal Defense.

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Steve Palmer [:

All right, here we are. Lawyer talk, off the record, on the air with a Circle 270 media follow up question. For those of you who have not tagged along from the beginning, you don't know what this is, so we're going to tell you briefly. Circle 270 Media, Brett, our commander in chief over there who makes this podcast possible. By the way, if you got a podcast and you want it produced here or anywhere else, we're in Ohio, but anywhere else, he's your guy. Circle270media.com My podcast guy could be yours. Anyway, he listens to what we talked about. We just talked about the Murdaugh case and this jury misconduct issue.

Steve Palmer [:

And a lot of times, Brett, after we're turning the cameras off and buttoning up for the day, he'll say, you know, I wonder about, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's sort of like Colombo. You ever watch old Columbo episodes? No. He always had like. Or like the classic doorknob question to the doctor. Like, you're about to leave and you've got this one question you've been itching to ask the doc, but you're a little embarrassed or shy, you don't want to tell you. And then you just like, oh, by the way, Colombo would do this. Anybody watch Colombo.

Steve Palmer [:

They're phenomenal. Peter Falk would. He was a detective. No matter what, how cold or hot it was out in L. A, he always had his brown overcoat or his khaki overcoat. Raincoat, probably London fog. I don't know. Don't know any of this.

Steve Palmer [:

Yeah, he's in here in space. Anyway, anyway, he would always be like, just one more thing. What did I have last? He'd turn around and have the breakthrough question that would put the guy. It happened throughout the episodes, but early on in the episodes, it would be just enough for the dramatic music to play and the guy to sort of sit back after Columbo left and look up. And then eventually Columbo, through trickery or otherwise, Columbo would always outsmart him. All right, I'll watch the show. How about we get to the question here? I don't remember the question. Anyway.

Steve Palmer [:

Circle 270 question about the Murdoch case was, if you're on this jury and this stuff is happening and you've got Rebecca Hill. Yes, yes, woman. Yes, Rebecca Hill. And look, watch the other episode. We're not making any bad statements about women. Rebecca Hill is feeding us information. We don't think it's right. So say you're the altruistic jury.

Steve Palmer [:

You're the odd man or odd woman out and you think, this ain't right. I don't like it. This Hill lady is telling us all sorts of stuff. She's saying, don't believe Murdoch. He's a no good rotten killer and he hates dogs and kids, too. Don't believe anything he says. Don't fall victim to their trickery. You should convict him and you should do it post haste because I, Rebecca Hill, want to get home for Thanksgiving anyway, whatever was said.

Steve Palmer [:

But you hear this on the jury and you're thinking, this ain't right. But the other jurors are just sort of going along with it. What do you do? And Brett's question was, well, isn't Hill the person that you would normally tell? Or that would be. That's to whom you blow the whistle, or. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're going to go tattle to Hill, but Hill's the person you're tattling about. Typically, what would happen is, in these kind of situations, and this is the case that happened upstairs in our office, some jurors will write a note and slip it to somebody. Now, if you slip the note to Hill and Hill saw it and said, uh, oh, yeah, and shredded it, well, that you could know.

Steve Palmer [:

You can probably come up with some what ifs where no matter what, you're screwed. Yeah, but typically you would slip a note to the judge or the jury or I've, you know, a juror a lot of times what happens is not a lot. Almost all the time what happens is the jury is brought out first before or at some point before things start. And the judge will have some opening remarks, or maybe it's the morning and, hey, look, everybody ready? Get your stretch, get your bagels and coffee back there. And sometimes jurors will raise their hand, say, I have a question. Or they'll write down a question and give it to a bailiff. But if the bailiff's compromised, they give it to Hill. If Hill and the bailiffs are compromised, you would have to shout it out to the judge and just say, something isn't right here.

Steve Palmer [:

I need to talk to you privately. And that happens. And then on the judge's side, the judge would like their rights. The judge can't just do this without telling the parties, the defense and the prosecution, or the attorneys general here. The judge would include us. And if we found out about it afterwards, the judge didn't include me, I would be incensed and objecting, legally incensed. And then we would air it out that way. So presumably that did not happen here.

Steve Palmer [:

Presumably the jurors did not say anything, probably for all the reasons we talked about, which is Hill is the person that would be like Hill had this position of trust and reliability, was the person to whom they felt like there was this little confidential thing going on. And then Hill played on that. And, you know, I've got this confidential relationship with them, sort of like nudge, nudge, wink, wink, we're on the same page. But really trust me, I'll tell you what's really trust going on out there. Just don't believe any says you got to go through the motions, but just convict. So anyway, I hope that answers Brett's question. If you got a question, you got a follow up, leave it in the comments or go to LawyerTalkPodcast.com and choose the questionnaire. We'll do our best to get to it.

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