Before you accept a plea bargain, understand the in-depth breakdown of the plea process and your constitutional rights.
What Really Happens When You Plead Guilty? Essential Rights, Plea Bargains, and Court Procedures Revealed
When someone pleads guilty to a crime, it’s much more than just signing a form or standing before a judge. Steve Palmer, a seasoned criminal defense attorney, breaks down everything you need to know about plea bargains, what your rights really are, and why understanding the process can make all the difference in court.
Whether you’re a client facing charges, an attorney, or simply interested in the justice system, this episode details what happens step-by-step—what a plea colloquy entails, the rights you give up, and the legal obligations of your attorney.
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Stephen E. Palmer, Esq. has been practicing criminal defense almost exclusively since 1995. He has represented people in federal, state, and local courts in Ohio and elsewhere.
Though he focuses on all areas of criminal defense, he particularly enjoys complex cases in state and federal courts.
He has unique experience handling and assembling top defense teams of attorneys and experts in cases involving allegations of child abuse (false sexual allegations, false physical abuse allegations), complex scientific cases involving allegations of DUI and vehicular homicide cases with blood alcohol tests, and any other criminal cases that demand jury trial experience.
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Speaker:I, you know, sometimes I talk about big picture stuff. I just did one on
Speaker:free speech and fighting words and time, place, and manner. We did all that.
Speaker:And sometimes I do something more specific, but you know what comes up a lot?
Speaker:And this happened to me yesterday. By the way, I am a criminal
Speaker:defense attorney. I represent folks charged with crimes, good, bad, or ugly, like it or
Speaker:not. That's what I do for a living. And
Speaker:part and parcel with that, and this came up yesterday or the day
Speaker:before, when you do this job, it all blurs together. But
Speaker:anyway, my client was pleading guilty to something.
Speaker:And that meant that we had negotiated an outcome of a case, a resolution of
Speaker:a case. There was a plea, there was a negotiated plea bargain, and my
Speaker:client was entering a guilty plea.
Speaker:And it dawned on me as I sat down with my client in advance
Speaker:the day before, and talk to him about how this was going to
Speaker:work, what it meant, and answered my client's questions.
Speaker:That has become routine for me, but I don't think it's routine for a lot
Speaker:of lawyers. And I think a lot of times I see people in court go
Speaker:through this colloquy, they call it, where they plead guilty or even no
Speaker:contest to something. And it just happens like that. It's all this procedure.
Speaker:It's getting mixed around and nobody quite understands it. So I'm going to break it
Speaker:down. Like it or not, I'm going to break it down right here. And I'm
Speaker:going to have the discussion with you that I have with a client or a
Speaker:client who's proposing to plead guilty. Okay. About what it
Speaker:means. So here's the big picture. First, before you plead
Speaker:guilty, you have to understand what the
Speaker:maximum— you have to— let me even go— let me go even broader.
Speaker:It has to be done knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily.
Speaker:Now, those are buzzwords. Those are constitutional buzzwords. That means
Speaker:that if it's going to be— if it's going to comport, if it's going to
Speaker:be consistent with due process, And you're going to— you
Speaker:have to understand what you're doing knowingly, intelligently, and voluntarily. That means
Speaker:you know what's going on. That means you have all the facts
Speaker:necessary to make the decision and that nobody is forcing you to do it.
Speaker:In other words, you're not getting arm twisted. There's no backdoor threats. There's no, hey,
Speaker:you better plead guilty or else. You have to understand it.
Speaker:It has to be knowing, intelligent, voluntary. Now, what does that mean? First, that
Speaker:means that you can't be— it can't be coerced. In other words,
Speaker:I can't be saying you better plead guilty or else this.
Speaker:Now, you might be thinking, well, isn't it always sort of
Speaker:coerced? Because if you plead guilty, there's always a reason you're pleading
Speaker:guilty. And it might be just to avoid the risk of a trial. It might
Speaker:be because you're actually guilty. It might be because you're getting a plea bargain. It
Speaker:might be because in the case I'm talking about, somebody was charged with
Speaker:a certain level of misdemeanor. And because of the plea bargain, it got dropped
Speaker:all the way down to the lowest level of misdemeanor. So isn't that,
Speaker:isn't that a reason, right? So yes, it is. But it's
Speaker:written down. So a plea agreement is like a contract. And in
Speaker:Ohio, we have criminal rules and under the criminal rules, we
Speaker:write down what the deal is. So there's a piece of paper
Speaker:and on the piece of paper it says, you're pleading guilty to X.
Speaker:And as a result of this, here's what can happen to you. So
Speaker:those are the terms of the deal. So typically what happens is the
Speaker:colloquy would go like this. You're not coerced into
Speaker:doing this, and there are no threats or other
Speaker:promises aside from what is written on the page here,
Speaker:aside from the terms of the deal itself. So nothing outside, there's no backdoor stuff.
Speaker:There's nobody saying behind the scenes, unless you plead guilty, we're
Speaker:going to do this. And I'm trying to think of scenarios where
Speaker:that has happened anyway. There probably are, but generally that's the question. So you're not
Speaker:getting arm twisted into it. There's no threat of force.
Speaker:There's no anything else. So one,
Speaker:you know what you're doing. And 2, there's no threats.
Speaker:Now let's go back to one for a second. Do you know what you're doing?
Speaker:The next phase of this is that I would spend time talking with my clients
Speaker:about, do you understand what's going on? You're pleading guilty to this offense. Yeah. Here's
Speaker:what this offense means. It means that you were
Speaker:knowingly causing or attempting to cause physical harm to somebody else. That would be an
Speaker:assault in Ohio, as opposed to say a felonious
Speaker:assault in Ohio. So now it's a misdemeanor. Then I would go through the
Speaker:elements of that offense with my client. I would say, here's what this means. And
Speaker:then I would say, here's the deal. We could go fight this in
Speaker:court. Here are the defenses that we might have. Here are why they're
Speaker:probably not going to work. Yeah. Here's what the evidence is against you. Here's what
Speaker:we have. In other words, this knowing it intelligently means that
Speaker:the client understands what the deal is, understands what the terms of the deal, and
Speaker:understands why they're doing it. And this is where it's
Speaker:important for me to sit down with my client before the plea and sort of
Speaker:explain this. And it starts at the time they call me. They call me and
Speaker:they hire me and we talk about the case.
Speaker:I go through the facts of the case. I go through the law of the
Speaker:case with them. We get discovery or information from the prosecutors about what the evidence
Speaker:is against my client. We even do our own investigative work We have
Speaker:meetings about it. We have discussions about it. We talk about it. And at the
Speaker:end of all that process, we get to the point where there's a plea bargain
Speaker:offered. Maybe it's on the, on the night before jury trial, we get an offer.
Speaker:Maybe it's weeks before, I don't know. But usually by the time that
Speaker:happens, I have had a lot of conversations with my client and they understand
Speaker:what the evidence is. I've forced them, or I've at least shared the
Speaker:discovery with them. I can't force somebody to read it, but my clients should. They
Speaker:have access to everything. that they're allowed to have access to, and I've answered
Speaker:all their questions about it. So when I get to that conversation, I can say,
Speaker:yeah, you understand what the defenses are and you know. Here's where the
Speaker:attorney-client relationship often goes awry. You have lawyers who don't
Speaker:have those conversations. Maybe they're doing all the work, maybe the lawyer understands it,
Speaker:maybe he has every good reason to
Speaker:recommend the client take the plea, but if he hasn't had those conversations with the
Speaker:client, the client doesn't understand it. And then when you get to the plea,
Speaker:sometimes it breaks down. And I'll tell you how in a second. But
Speaker:that's sort of the intelligently, the knowingly intelligently part of it.
Speaker:You understand what the deal is. Another part of that is what are the
Speaker:maximum punishments? What, like, what can happen to you if you plead guilty?
Speaker:So in the assault case I talked about, that would be 6 months in jail,
Speaker:$1,000 fine, or that's the maximum. Now here's what
Speaker:trips people up a lot too. You write on the paper and it
Speaker:says you're pleading guilty to Misdemeanor assault in
Speaker:Ohio, maximum possible punishment is 6 months in
Speaker:jail, $1,000 fine. Client looks at me and
Speaker:says, what the heck? You told me I was getting probation or I had a
Speaker:chance at probation. Yes, you still do. This is just the maximum. And
Speaker:in our forms, in our colloquy, in most, we don't talk about what the
Speaker:minimums are or what we think the judge might do. We talk about what
Speaker:the maximum is. And that means you have to understand in the worst case scenario
Speaker:what can happen to you. The other thing you have to understand is
Speaker:no matter what we are telling the judge, a lot of times there are something
Speaker:called recommendations. There are different types of recommendations. You can have
Speaker:recommendations of the parties that bind the court. Federal court has this. It's called a
Speaker:binding plea agreement. You have other type of recommendations in Ohio where
Speaker:both parties, the prosecutor and the defense, look at a judge and say,
Speaker:judge, we recommend that you give my client straight probation or
Speaker:maybe only a fine. We don't want any jail. We don't think it's appropriate.
Speaker:We've talked about the case. We know about the case. We're just
Speaker:recommending what you do. Judge says, yeah, I'll consider that recommendation.
Speaker:And I've even had it this way where the judge says, yes, I'll go along
Speaker:with that. But then we get in court and the judge hears
Speaker:something and changes his mind and says, look, I know what I told you,
Speaker:but I'm changing my mind. This guy's going to jail.
Speaker:So there was a recommendation. The judge didn't have to follow it in Ohio. There's
Speaker:other states where they do. And there's certain binding recommendations.
Speaker:But in Ohio, judges don't have to follow it and it can all fall apart,
Speaker:which is why before the plea, I had this conversation with my client. I say,
Speaker:look, we have a recommendation. It's right here in black and white, but this is
Speaker:only a recommendation. The final decision is up to the judge and the
Speaker:judge has every right to turn this down and do what he
Speaker:or she wants to do with the case. And this can
Speaker:happen even if I got input from the judge in advance. Let's talk about that
Speaker:for a second. There are a lot of times where a
Speaker:lot of courts where I can go into
Speaker:the hearing or the judge has been intimately involved with the case
Speaker:all the way through. We've had 2 or 3 pretrial conferences. Sometimes we do that
Speaker:in chambers back at his desk or in the jury room, wherever it would be,
Speaker:or even in open court. And the judge says, yeah, I hear you. That
Speaker:makes sense to me. I'll go along with that recommendation. Other judges
Speaker:will say, sorry, I don't promise or get involved in any
Speaker:of this. I reserve the right to impose whatever sentence I want. I'm not
Speaker:going to tell you what I'm going to do in advance. This is where it
Speaker:gets dicey for people. In other words, somebody says, look, I'm
Speaker:pleading guilty. I could get 6 months in jail and a $1,000 fine. What's the
Speaker:judge going to do? All right, here's where attorneys get in
Speaker:trouble, or not trouble, but Here's where, here's
Speaker:where things can get wishy-washy. Lawyer says, look, I've been in front of Judge X
Speaker:for the last 20 years. I've pled hundreds of cases in front of Judge X.
Speaker:I've practiced in this town my entire career. I've never seen Judge X
Speaker:do more than this on the type of case that you have.
Speaker:But he could do more. Now that's what we're saying as
Speaker:lawyers. But when a client is sitting there listening to that, the client is only
Speaker:hearing the judge is going to give me probation because that's what he's always done.
Speaker:And I'm not saying the clients are, I don't
Speaker:know, wrong or inattentive. I just think that a lot of times there's this deer
Speaker:in the headlights where, you know, there's fear, there's emotion, there's
Speaker:stress. They're hearing what they want to hear, the best case scenario.
Speaker:I spend a lot of time trying to have these conversations well before
Speaker:the day of the plea to say, look, I don't know what the judge is
Speaker:going to do. I can tell you what I think he's going to do. But
Speaker:I don't know. And we have to go into this. We have to go appear,
Speaker:do this plea, sign this plea agreement with the presupposition
Speaker:that he's not or that he may not. And we have to be okay with
Speaker:it when he doesn't. We just don't know. And
Speaker:now there are times where I can, where I have to stress that more than
Speaker:others based on who my client is and the history of the case, based on
Speaker:who the judge is and the history of the case. You know, it all depends.
Speaker:Sometimes I'm more confident than others what a judge will do.
Speaker:Sometimes I just flat out don't know. And I will admit, I have been
Speaker:caught twice in my career flat-footed when a
Speaker:judge in advance agreed with what we were recommending,
Speaker:told me what he was going to do in advance, and then changed it in
Speaker:real time on the record when I stood up to do the plea.
Speaker:And it happens twice in my career. It's happened. There are ways to
Speaker:handle that. There are ways to deal with it. But it definitely is
Speaker:off-putting. And that has changed how I talk to clients. I say, listen,
Speaker:I even tell clients those 2 examples and say, this has happened. And I'm not
Speaker:trying to talk my client out of it necessarily, but he has to do it
Speaker:knowingly and he has to do it intelligently and he has to do it voluntarily,
Speaker:meaning he understands what's going on. After we have
Speaker:these discussions, we talk about the
Speaker:constitutional side of it. Whenever you enter a plea of guilty,
Speaker:or no contest or whatever it is in a case,
Speaker:you have to understand what your rights are. You have to understand that you're waiving
Speaker:your rights. You have to understand those 2 components.
Speaker:What are your rights? So look, boring as it may be, this is
Speaker:interesting stuff. This is like a first— this is like a senior government class. I
Speaker:wish they taught this stuff in government. They probably don't anymore. We have this thing
Speaker:at the beginning of our Constitution called the Bill of Rights. And in the Bill
Speaker:of Rights, it sort of outlines all this stuff that has to happen or what
Speaker:your rights are in a criminal setting. And they've sort of evolved into this
Speaker:discussion that happens when people enter a guilty plea.
Speaker:You have a right to a jury trial. If the case is one that can
Speaker:put you in jail, you have a right to a jury trial. That means trial
Speaker:by jury. In Ohio, on misdemeanors, that means
Speaker:you have 8 jurors. In felonies, you have 12. And you
Speaker:have a right at that trial to be presumed innocent. This is
Speaker:called the presumption of innocence. So right to a jury, the 6th Amendment is going
Speaker:to pick up a lot of these. So your right to trial by jury is,
Speaker:you can find it, just open up your pocket, pull out your pocket Constitution, turn
Speaker:it to the first section of the Bill of Rights, and you're going to find
Speaker:under the 6th Amendment a right to trial by jury.
Speaker:At that trial, you have a right to be presumed innocent, the presumption
Speaker:of innocence. This is sort of one of these due process
Speaker:rights that applies to the states. You have a right at the trial to
Speaker:remain silent. In other words, you don't have to testify. The
Speaker:judge, the prosecutor, nobody can say, all right, Mr.
Speaker:Smith, you're charged with a crime. Climb on up on that witness stand and talk
Speaker:to us about what happened. They can't force you to do that. You can guess
Speaker:what that one is. That's your 5th Amendment right.
Speaker:And instead you can remain silent and you can say, screw you, prosecutor. You
Speaker:proved me guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. at my jury trial.
Speaker:There are other rights that happen at that jury trial, other things that will, how
Speaker:it unfolds in a constitutional way.
Speaker:You have a right at that trial to cross-examine witnesses. That's called the right of
Speaker:confrontation. Again, pull out the 6th Amendment, read it, you'll see it. You have a
Speaker:right to confront your accusers in an open and public trial. You
Speaker:have a right to an open trial and you have a right to confront
Speaker:your accusers, or we call that cross-examination. As you've heard me say here
Speaker:before, the greatest legal engine ever discovered or ever invented for the
Speaker:discovery of the truth is your right of confrontation.
Speaker:Meaning the prosecutor calls its witnesses, say
Speaker:Officer Flanagan, he comes up, it's a DUI case.
Speaker:And he tells this tale of woe about, oh yeah, I pulled,
Speaker:pulled your client over and he was wasted. He was this, he was that.
Speaker:I get to stand up and I get to ask him questions. And almost universally,
Speaker:I'm asking questions the prosecutor didn't. Almost universally, I'm asking questions that
Speaker:help my client. Almost universally, I'm bringing out
Speaker:evidence that helps establish the defense because why in
Speaker:the adversarial system that we have would we expect Officer Flanagan to say
Speaker:the good stuff for us? We don't. Our system
Speaker:incorporates that into it and it's called the right of confrontation. But it doesn't stop
Speaker:there. We also have something called the right of compulsory process.
Speaker:Fancy talk for saying we get to use a subpoena to drag a
Speaker:witness into court. Right. And testify. I get
Speaker:it. We can't force that witness to say what we want that witness to say.
Speaker:But in theory, if we've got a witness out there, your neighbor who
Speaker:saw it, your best friend who was with you, whatever, or
Speaker:even a lot of times it's a government entity that has documents that are relevant.
Speaker:I subpoena the person in charge of that, say, bring with you some
Speaker:documents that are going to be helpful to my case. It's called the right of
Speaker:compulsory process. If that person
Speaker:doesn't show up, in theory, I can use the court power
Speaker:to drag that person into court in cuffs. I can't make that person say
Speaker:what I want when they get there, but I can drag them into court. Sometimes
Speaker:they take the Fifth Amendment when they testify. Sometimes they don't
Speaker:say what we want or they change their story completely. And we can argue about
Speaker:that, but I have that right of compulsory process.
Speaker:And I go even further. when my colloquy of rights, when I talk to my
Speaker:clients about their pleas, I talk about
Speaker:what happens at trial. During trial, I would be objecting. I would say,
Speaker:objection, they can't do that. Or maybe before trial, I filed a motion to
Speaker:suppress. I said, look, Judge, they're not allowed to use this evidence because
Speaker:they entered my client's house or they stopped my client's car or they searched his
Speaker:backpack or they went through his— they rumbled through his stuff and they didn't
Speaker:have a warrant and that violated the Fourth Amendment. And the judge before trial
Speaker:denied it and said, sorry, Charlie, we're letting that evidence in. No Fourth Amendment
Speaker:problem. And then I get to trial and somebody's talking about hearsay and I'm
Speaker:screaming and yelling. I'm howling at the moon. They can't do this. They can't do
Speaker:this. Judge says, sort of like My Cousin Vinny, that is a coherent,
Speaker:well-thought-out, whatever objection, overruled. Yeah, you lose the
Speaker:objection. After trial, if you've lost the
Speaker:trial, you have a right to appeal. And this is called a direct appeal as
Speaker:of right here in Ohio. And we can appeal directly to the Court of Appeals.
Speaker:So in sum, you're giving up your right to trial by jury. You're giving up
Speaker:your right to be presumed innocent. You're giving up your right to force the prosecutor
Speaker:to prove you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt at that trial where you can't be
Speaker:forced to testify against yourself. You're giving up your right of
Speaker:confrontation during trial to actually cross-examine
Speaker:or have your lawyer cross-examine your accusers. You're giving
Speaker:up your right of compulsory process and your right to appeal. And I
Speaker:forgot a big one, but it's sort of implicit. You have a right to an
Speaker:attorney to represent you at trial. And the reason I forget about it a lot
Speaker:is because I am the lawyer talking to my client. Now, what does all this
Speaker:mean? Back to what we're talking about, this long, boring discussion. You
Speaker:have, you have, when you stand up to do a plea, there has to
Speaker:be a meaningful dialogue between you and the judge about
Speaker:these rights, about what the possible
Speaker:punishment is, what the maximum possible punishment is, what the terms of the deal are,
Speaker:and an understanding. That you're giving up all these rights, that you're not
Speaker:going to have a trial, that you're not going to do all these things that
Speaker:we talked about. And I can send you to jail and don't pass go and
Speaker:off you go. And there are other details to it. But the point of me
Speaker:telling you this is people don't understand this. And I think it's a— we do
Speaker:our clients a disservice at times when at the last minute,
Speaker:and it happens sometimes, it's just part and parcel with what's going
Speaker:on in the nature of our line of work. Sometimes at the last minute, we
Speaker:get a deal and we're just stuck going through this. Right. And often,
Speaker:I'll say this, judges and prosecutors are often,
Speaker:I don't know, they don't have any sympathy and no patience for the time it
Speaker:takes for me to have this discussion with my client. They give me a plea
Speaker:bargain on paper and I'm expected to drag my client in 2 minutes later
Speaker:and do the plea. But I always, and then I get
Speaker:knocks on the conference room door, you know, hey, are you ready? Is you guys
Speaker:ready? The judge is on the bench and blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, listen,
Speaker:My guy's given up his right to a trial. We're ready for jury trial today
Speaker:and we're going to resolve it. Give me, give me 15 freaking minutes at least,
Speaker:because this is important stuff. And, you know, I try to avoid
Speaker:that as much as I can, because when you go into a courtroom for the
Speaker:first time, you've never been there and you stand up in front of a judge
Speaker:and you start talking. We've all been there. Like anybody who's done a public speech
Speaker:knows what that's like. Your vision narrows, your heart rate
Speaker:increases, the adrenaline starts rushing. And you just start answering. And I've had
Speaker:so many clients tell me, I just pled guilty. I didn't even really understand what
Speaker:was going on. I don't, in fact, I barely
Speaker:remember it. And courts of appeal later will say, look, the guy said he
Speaker:understood. What else can we ask? So there's 2 things are true, I think.
Speaker:One, the client didn't understand, or the defendant didn't understand what was going on because
Speaker:this was all happening so fast and he sort of freaked out and had this
Speaker:panic adrenaline rush. And 2, he said that he did understand because it's
Speaker:on the record with this meaningful dialogue. I'm not saying that there's a
Speaker:better way, but I'm just— actually, I am. The better way is
Speaker:if you have the opportunity, and let's say it on both ways. If you're a
Speaker:lawyer and you're not having these discussions with your client the
Speaker:day or two before, or even the week before going in when you know
Speaker:it's going to be a plea, and you're doing your client a disservice.
Speaker:And if you're on the other side, if you're a client, your lawyer
Speaker:is saying, look, you got to plead guilty. Ask him or her, ask your attorney
Speaker:what that's going to be like, what it's going to feel like, what it's going
Speaker:to look like. And I think I can often make people feel
Speaker:better about it because I can say, look, here's what's going to happen. Remember we
Speaker:were in that courtroom for the pretrial or for this other hearing?
Speaker:We're going to be standing at that very table. We're going to go in and
Speaker:this judge likes us to stand. So we're going to be standing and we're going
Speaker:to be facing the judge. The prosecutor's going to go first and the prosecutor's going
Speaker:to say, Look, Judge, here are the terms of the deal, and spell it all
Speaker:out. Judge is going to then turn to us. Is that what the terms of
Speaker:the deal are? Yes. Mr. Client, do you understand all that? Yes. All
Speaker:right, then it's going to go back to the prosecutor. Prosecutor's going to read a
Speaker:bunch of facts into the record about the case because
Speaker:those are the facts that the judge needs to find somebody guilty. Judge is going
Speaker:to turn back to us. Counsel, have you heard those facts? Oh, I've heard them.
Speaker:Yep. Do you have any objection? Not for purposes of the plea, or maybe I
Speaker:do. Maybe I want to say, Judge, I just want to add one thing. Maybe
Speaker:We had a valid self-defense claim, we thought, but we're not going to do that.
Speaker:You know, whatever it is, we may or may not want to add facts. But
Speaker:again, Mr. Client, do you understand what your lawyer has said here, that those are
Speaker:the facts? Yes. Sometimes judges will even put
Speaker:clients under oath there and make the client tell them what the facts are.
Speaker:And if you're a lawyer and you have not prepared your client for that, I
Speaker:assure you that that gets really awkward really fast
Speaker:and very difficult for the client. And it's not fair to the client.
Speaker:Then it goes, then the judge will say, okay, well, look,
Speaker:I'm going to go through your constitutional rights and have a
Speaker:discussion with you, Mr. Client. And then the judge is going to go through all
Speaker:this stuff we just talked about. After that,
Speaker:the prosecutor, if it's, if there's going to be a sentencing hearing right away, the
Speaker:prosecutor will give his spiel. I'll give my spiel. The judge will impose sentence. Sometimes
Speaker:it gets continued for sentence. That's another discussion. Anyway. Okay.
Speaker:I get it. This probably isn't the most exciting topic, but it's important. If you're
Speaker:in that situation, it's important that you understand it. If you've got a question
Speaker:about it, if you've been through a plea colloquy and you want to talk about
Speaker:that, give us the facts in the comments. I love reading about this stuff. And
Speaker:if you're an attorney, do better if you're not doing this stuff.
Speaker:Me too, right? We all, we all do it. I try to do the best
Speaker:I can to make sure my clients know what's going on because then, then
Speaker:it's just that they know what's going on. All right. Lawyer talk off the record
Speaker:on the air till now.