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Yes, everyone we need to talk about the Matthew and Paul book Drama that
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is blowing up right now, but also author
Lee Rivers did something that really
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restored my faith in the book community.
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Plus, we're covering all the new
releases for this week that we think
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you should add to your reading list,
or at least just have on your radar.
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And we're gonna get into what we're
reading and watching and more.
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So get your coffee, get comfy,
and let's spill the tea.
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Because this is novel
hour or weekly live show.
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We promise we're serious people.
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We're just dressed up for
Halloween, and we gather here every
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Thursday at 12 noon Eastern time.
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So mark your calendar.
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We stream here on YouTube and also on
Facebook, but like we said, the Matthew
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and Paul drama really is blowing up now.
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We first saw this on Author Diana
Wall's, author account on Instagram.
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There's a link in the videos description,
so you can go watch her video.
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It's a part one of a part two explanation
of everything that is happening, but
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also the authors themselves, Matthew
and Paul, the content creators, they
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have posted their takes on it as well
as well linking the videos description.
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Go and check it out.
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But essentially the drama is that these
two, Matthew and Paul are engaging
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in what is known as pity marketing.
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Me personally, I've heard about the rage
baiting and all the things, but now I
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have a new word to add to the vocabulary.
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Pity marketing and people are really
saying that they post these super
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teary-eyed, emotionally driven videos.
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They're also selling things, AKA, their
children's books, products, and services.
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Here's one book, for
example, Pringle and Finn.
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But they gather millions of views.
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They have millions of followers across
social media platforms and all the things.
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And yeah, people are accusing them
of pity marketing that they're
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lying about their experiences on
Ingram, um, their whole book journey.
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Why an, uh, bookstore
canceled all their books.
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It's just, it's a lot.
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Watch the videos form your own opinions,
but Francesca, what did you think
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when you first heard about this mess?
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Francesca: So I have been hearing
about all the times throughout
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this year that people have
basically like gone after this duo.
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And it is always about the pity marketing.
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And I have heard of pity marketing
and other authors as well,
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but I think that for me, what.
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I find that there's a distinction, right?
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Because the account, the social
media account for Matthew and Paul is
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not just the author account, right?
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It's both of them as a couple and
they share their whole journey.
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They do pranks on each other,
like that kind of stuff.
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So they are basically also an
influencer and the the one.
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Uh, in the couple is an author.
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So like there's, they exist in
two, in two worlds, in my opinion.
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And I think that that is something
that can translate weird to some
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authors, like I see where some of
the authors that have made videos
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about this issue are coming from.
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But I think that there's also the space
where these are influencers that basically
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their whole thing is that they share
their journey and their daily life and all
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the things that they do and that they go
through, like as they're going through it.
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So it's very journey based, and to
me that makes sense in order to.
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Share the kind of videos that they're
sharing that may come across as
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pity marketing, but in the context
of their whole account, I think
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it's just part of the normal part
of the content that they share.
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You know, sometimes it's a prank and a
funny video, but sometimes it's just a
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raw emotional, this is what's going on,
and I'm kind of like really frustrated or.
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You know, this, this thing, I feel like
it's unfair and it's happening to me.
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So I feel in a way, uh, they're
unfairly being judged by a certain,
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like author purity standard.
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For lack of a better word.
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So, I don't know.
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I feel like it's a little
bit, it's a little bit unfair.
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Victoria: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, look, I think we are being
super controversial here because look,
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we are in the book community first
and foremost, but I didn't know who
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these two individuals were before now,
and the fact that one of them is an
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author, they write children's books.
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This is the one that, you know, people
are kind of really talking about a lot.
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It had me looking at it and I, my
take is this, what marketing out
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there isn't emotionally driven?
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You might show up here because
you just love how unhinged we are.
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Especially me.
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I'm definitely the more unhinged one.
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All right, and you like what takes.
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Or you might be nosy and you wanna find
out something and we're talking about it.
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I watch TV sometimes, and I have some
commercials that get me teary eyed.
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Hello.
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Especially the ones
during the holiday season.
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But I have to say, if there's something
we're missing, let us know Your thoughts
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and comments, if you see it differently.
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How do you feel about this
pity marketing of it all?
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Um, I would love to know, I think the
part of it that really, um, ramped
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things up was the Ingram of it all.
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So in case you're not familiar, the
long and short of it is they were
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trying to get through an Ingram program.
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I think it's like
wholesale or distribution.
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It's a larger platform
as opposed to the Ingram.
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Spark that indie authors normally use,
which is a print on demand service.
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They have a large following.
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They have a lot of people.
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They're trying to get the best
deal possible for them so they can
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make the most money, even though
the rules say they don't qualify.
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Now, come to find out there is an
employee who works at Ingram who's
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just sharing their own opinions.
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They are not representing the company,
but I know it's hard for us as humans
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sometimes to detach the fact that
this person is just sharing their
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free opinion on their off time.
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Versus, you know, um, what
they do at the day job.
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Well, the author duo found
out that this person.
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Who was saying stuff about them on
the internet was also the person
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who was working on their book,
and they are just like, listen,
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no, this just doesn't feel right.
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This feels icky, especially
because a lot of people are saying
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what they're doing is a scam.
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Now, I know in the book community,
it might not be the normal method
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of business, and I understand and
respect that, but like Francesca
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said, look, they're influencers first.
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And I think sometimes when you see
influencers getting in the book
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space, the way they approach things.
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Will be very different from people
who are just coming straight into the
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book space and, and, and that is it.
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I think all marketing
is emotionally driven.
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Mm-hmm.
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Some things make you laugh.
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How on the floor you are rolling
some things, have you crying,
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some things, have you sad?
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I think everything is marketing.
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I think content is marketing.
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Um, and the fact that they're
always selling something.
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Hello.
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I wish I could always
be selling something.
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They have the audience, they can do it.
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And that is the nature
of content creation now.
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But again, let us know your
thoughts in the comments We wanna
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shout out Brown girl Reading.
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Hey girl.
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Hey, hey Didi.
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How's it going?
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We also wanna shout
out or regular de tiff.
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Tiff is lovely to costume.
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Yes.
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Listen, this was the last minute.
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Oh, let's grab a wig.
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Let's grab a hat.
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Let's do something.
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But I'm glad you are loving the costumes.
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Happy Halloween everyone
who is celebrating.
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I know the big day's tomorrow people
will be celebrating all weekend.
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Um, yeah.
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Yeah.
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We hope you have a good time.
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But let us know your thoughts
in the comments we wanna hear.
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What do you think about the
Matthew and Paul of it all?
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Replay crew.
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If you're watching the replay,
we'd love to hear from you as well.
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But Didi has a thought.
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Didi says marketing is killing everything.
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Bookish.
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Let me think about that.
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Marketing is killing everything.
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Bookish.
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What do you think, Fred?
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Francesca: I, I agree also because like
if you think about how much marketing
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goes into even the actual writing of
the books, like for me it's more about.
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What it's doing to the actual content
of books, the quality of the writing.
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I feel like marketing is really the
driving force, why authors get picked
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up, um, versus like really, you know,
used to be that the, the publishers
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would read a really good manuscript
and they wanted to publish that.
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And now it's all about, oh,
we gotta hit these key things
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because that's what's selling.
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Or this author is really blowing
up on social media, I mean.
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Case in point, Matthew and
Paul, they're big influencers.
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They have millions of followers.
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So yeah, guess what?
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Somebody's gonna publish that book
because they have an audience.
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So I think that that for sure is
definitely killing everything bookish.
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I think Didi
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Victoria: agrees with you.
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She said Yes.
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You've got the point.
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You got the point.
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Because I was thinking, I
was like killing everything.
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It's killing writing.
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The second you said it, like writing
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Francesca: and, and like everything that
we're able to consume from, from that.
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Obviously publishers are the ones
that are, there's indie publishing
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for sure, but even indie publishing,
they have to conform to what the
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market is dictating and because of
marketing and all of that, like it's.
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All a vicious cycle and you just
get more of the same and the quality
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goes down and it's frustrating.
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Victoria: Yeah, I think
it's really frustrating.
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It's, it's making a whole episode.
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It's a, we can have a whole episode
on that, but I will say this.
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Authors who are brilliant writers.
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I get it.
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They're gonna have a really rough
time right now, because when you
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do have people with large, um,
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Francesca: original ideas, like mm-hmm.
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Forget those, like those
don't exist right now.
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Victoria: Yeah.
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I mean, uh, Didi is saying
even down to getting authors
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to write similarly in books.
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Like right now, if you're not
writing something paranormal,
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like what are you doing?
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You know, um, now
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Francesca: to the formula on the
titles, oh my god, I get so annoyed.
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A something of something and something.
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Victoria: Listen, we can
go down that rabbit hole.
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We can go down that
whole hole rabbit hole.
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But we do have a show
planned for you today.
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You're just joining us.
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Welcome.
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We just talked about the
Matthew and Paul of it all.
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Let us know your thoughts in the comments,
but we're gonna, uh, shift gears.
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To a feel good story.
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Like, listen, I was loving this story
when Francesca brought it to my attention.
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So we first saw this through
a content creator on TikTok
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entitled, uh, their username is Elm
Reads books, um, over on TikTok.
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And she was sharing that
Lee Rivers donated a hundred
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thousand pounds to Baby Ollie.
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Now, you might not be familiar,
but you know, it's like running
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all across media in the uk.
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But there's this baby who needs, um,
lifesaving treatment and they are
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running, um, a, uh, GoFundMe, um,
style fundraiser to raise this font.
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As you can see, they're still
raising font for Baby Ollie.
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There's a link in videos
description so that.
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You can donate to it, but I have to
tell you, it feels good when you see
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authors out here doing the thing,
because apparently she donated $10,000
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first that I said to Francesca.
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She had a go behind the scenes,
you know, little make some money.
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Yes.
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Move some money around.
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You know, do.
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Some little things.
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Maybe even call her bank and
say, hello, yes, it's me.
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This is not a scam.
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I do want to donate, uh, to this cause.
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But isn't it heartwarming, Fran, I've
never read a book by this author, but
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I already went to her author website
and I'm like, okay, what can I buy?
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Because the fact that, you know.
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An author is doing good and
spending their royalties in such
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a meaningful way is so sweet.
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Francesca: Yeah.
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And I think also because it, she's
not out here even publicizing it.
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'cause she didn't even like share the
thing and say like, oh, go donate.
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Like she just did her donation
quietly in this other book to
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her, uh, or book talker, sorry.
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Saw, like went to make a donation and
just saw that the name was there and saw
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the amount, and she was like, oh my God.
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And she decided to make a video about
it, which is like the only reason,
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like we would even know about this.
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So I'm like, that is.
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Amazing.
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That also tells you that
Dark Romance sells very well.
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Francesca: like
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Victoria: that money,
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Francesca: but um, but yeah, it
was such a heartwarming story.
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I mean, I went in and I'm
like, I gotta buy the books.
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I've always been like on the
fence whether I want to read them.
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'cause I know they're
very controversial books.
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But I've also heard from people that.
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Have gone through traumatic experiences
in their lives and they say that her books
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have been very healing for them to read.
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So even though they have like darkness
to them and you know, dark themes and all
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of this stuff, the people that have gone
through experiences find them in a way.
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Healing and, you know, helpful.
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So I'm excited.
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I did place my order 'cause you know, we
gotta support people that do good things.
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Victoria: Yes we do.
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And that is, um, author Lee Rivers.
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This is her page again,
um, author lee rivers.com
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if you're looking for
some dark romance books.
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But again, for me, I think
it was just the fact that she
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was willing to, um, you know.
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Spread the love.
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It, it, it just, it felt good.
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So it's definitely a heartwarming story.
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And we, for
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Francesca: comparison though, the
book, the book Talker also said
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that on the list of donations, Ryan
Reynolds was there with 10,000.
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So I'm like, if we compare the
amount of money that these.
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Victoria: To have, we need to shame
him so he can just top off the money
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and just pay the rest, you know?
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But yes, totally,
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Francesca: totally.
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Victoria: But we love seeing
all authors doing good.
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So that was definitely a feel good story.
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And again, a link to Baby Ollie's,
um, fundraiser is in the videos.
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Description.
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Alright, getting back to the show.
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If you're just joining us,
we already covered, uh, the
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Matthew and Paul of it all.
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We just covered all feel good
story, which is Author Lee Rivers.
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It was just so amazing.
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But now we are jumping into the
new book releases of the week.
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So these are just some
books that are on our radar.
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Uh, that we think, you know, are
either worth reading or putting
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on your radar so you can look
forward to or add to your TBR list.
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We're covering new books that are being
published during the week of October
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26th through to November 1st, so next
week we'll be in all things November.
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Now on my list, I do have
Rec by Katherine Newman.
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I love and read everything
Katherine Newman writes.
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This one is another brilliant book
about family and marriage and life and
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just when life doesn't go as planned.
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Absolutely brilliant.
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We have another Mais Yates out there.
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Of course, you know, cowboy romance.
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Um, this time it's Christmas,
so y'all can check that out.
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I am very excited to
add to my reading list.
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The Devil is a South
Paw by Brandon Hobson.
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Brandon Hobson is an indigenous
author and I enjoy reading anything.
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Um, Brandon Wright.
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So this one, um, again, is.
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Centering two gifted boys,
indigenous characters as well.
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Really looking forward to that as well.
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Um, we also have Agatha Christie.
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Hello fans.
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Sophie Hannah has a new poirot because as
you all might be aware, she is rewriting
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new books, um, with permission from the
Agatha Christie Estate Writing New Poot.
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Books.
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Um, this is another holiday mystery,
so I'm really excited about this.
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And it's set on a Greek island.
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So, hello.
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We are traveling as well with Perot.
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This is book six in Sophie,
Hannah's rewriting of Perot.
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And we also have another
indigenous, um, suspense thriller.
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This one is entitled The Bone
Thief by Vanessa Lily or Lil, but.
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This one also has, um,
native American characters.
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It's a Native American author
about a teenager who vanishes from
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their small town and ends up in
this elite historical society.
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Um, really excited about this one as well.
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So those are my five books,
but I also know Francesca has.
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Some new books that she's
excited to share as well.
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Francesca: The first one is actually
okay, the first three I've read
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and I do recommend, the first is
Undead and Unw by Sam Cheetah.
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And this is a basically an urban fantasy,
but like funny, it's like a funny
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Hallmark movie like Christmas movie.
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'cause it is, it is a Christmas
story and I just love the fact that
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it has a 300 year old vampire female
who is a complete and absolute mess.
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Um, she's working, I think in
LA at a, at a dead end job.
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She gets like this fake identity and
inherits a bed and breakfast in Vermont.
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So she goes into this, um, small
town, meets a small town, uh, tree,
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Christmas tree farmer, and she
thinks she's gonna get like all
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her, you know, hallmark movie vibes.
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But things.
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Descendant into chaos from there.
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So really funny.
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Really loved it.
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The second book that I also read and
really loved, it's a Dark Cowboy Romance.
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It's branded by Saffron a Kent.
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I really love this one.
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So it starts off with kind of like, um.
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Prison pen pal program.
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So our heroin writes letters to this
guy that's in prison and they're
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both faking their identities.
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So he ends up reading the letters
thinking that she is this one
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girl and he's actually in jail
for trying to kill her father.
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But she's not really that girl.
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She is the girl's, um, best friend.
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So when he gets out, he's got
some revenge planned kidnaps her.
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Things descent into mess from there.
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I really, really enjoyed it.
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Definitely dark check
your content warnings.
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The next one that I also really enjoy was
Witches of Dubious Origin by Jen McKinley.
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This is a librarian who dis, who
discovers basically like this Magical
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Family Legacy, finds a magical book.
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Um, there's some.
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Mythology involved.
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And so this one is lots of fun.
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If you like books about books,
you'll enjoy this one, kind of like
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a cozy fantasy vibe for this one.
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The other two I haven't read, but
there are definitely on my TBR First
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is our Vicious Oath by Annie Davenport.
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This is a romantic Enemies to lovers.
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Um, Faye.
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Kind of faking and Warrior
Princess, you know, usual setup.
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And then the last one that I have
is Bloodstained by Jenica Snow.
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This is a gothic romance, and it's
basically the story of Dracula.
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And his soulmate died and she's
now reincarnated, so he is.
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You know, making sure that they can
be together again, but, you know,
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things get a little dark from there.
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So that, that's the ones,
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Victoria: yes.
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Okay.
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So deedee had said rewriting accuracy,
rewriting is not the right word.
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No, she's writing new stories.
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I'm talking too fast and I'm
probably talking crazy talk.
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She's writing news stories with
authorization from the estate, so
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like she's embodying poot and just
kind of, you know, listen, nobody
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can write like Agha Christie.
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She knows it too.
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I had a chat with her.
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She's a big Christie
Stan, but she's out here.
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You know, she's, she's
doing, she's doing good.
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I mean, of the six books, I haven't read
this one, but two are absolute standouts.
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I think it was a Christmas one, which was
the last one was, which was really good.
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Um, I probably should rank
Sophie Hannah's poor robot.
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Yeah, because that'll be fun.
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I do have thoughts, but you
let us know what books you are
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adding to your reading list.
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So pick book one, book two, book 3D.
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He's like, but why?
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Listen, clearly de de will not be
adding Agatha Christie, I just wanted
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to make sure I was clearing up myself.
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De de says hard pass.
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She's not reading anything that
isn't from the queen herself.
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I get it though.
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I get it.
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Listen, I'm not fighting.
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Not fighting it.
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But you know what, Ruth?
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We, you know what?
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Aga Christie, they have this, um.
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New mysteries.
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I can't remember the book.
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I have it beautifully displayed
on my shelf, but they got all
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the modern suspense and thriller
writers who were in Influe.
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It's called Marble.
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The book is called Marble, and they
all contributed a bunch of stories.
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But yes, we got the graphic up on screen.
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Let us know in the comments and if you're
watching live, but if you're watching the
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replay, we wanna hear it from you too.
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Books one through 10.
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We just ran through all of them.
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Let us know which ones you are
adding to your reading list.
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Like I told you, I'm adding three.
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Three is top on my TBR.
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And after hearing, um, Francesca share,
I would say nine is on my TBR as well.
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Um, those are two firm tbrs.
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If I had to add a third, I would add 10.
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What are you adding, Fran?
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Francesca: Um, I, I'm gonna add four.
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Um, I'll be the controversial,
you know, I'll, I'll give.
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Sophie Hannah, try and then I
report back and bitch about it.
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Lemme read it first.
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Lemme read it first before you, you
tell me if it's worth it because
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I mean, I, I do have, uh, I do
have feelings about Christie, so
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it does need to be I know, I know.
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But, um, yeah, so definitely that,
uh, I pr, I, I am debating on two.
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I haven't been feeling the Christmas vibe
with like traditional Christmas romances.
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I've only been feeling the Christmas
vibe with Unconventional Christmas Oh my.
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Like the vampire one.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, yeah, for sure.
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And I mean, 10 is definitely
top of my TBR for this week.
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Victoria: Okay.
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Didi says number one, I think
you will love number one.
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Didi, I know your readings.
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Style.
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I think you'll love one.
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Katherine Newman, just, she is
hitting I love sandwich that she
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did last year and I forgot the
name of the other book from before.
455
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00:22:05
But yeah, definitely
hitting, definitely hitting.
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But let us know your
thoughts in the comments.
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Alright, so we are jumping
into the, what we are reading.
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Yes.
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This is what we're reading segment.
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Now I forgot to pull the, um,
book cover, but I'm gonna show
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you all anyway and I know it's.
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In reverse, but sorry.
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00:22:27
But I am reading best Wishes
from the Full Moon Coffee Shop.
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Now, unbeknownst to me.
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00:22:34
I had no idea that this book
had a previous book called
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The Full Moon Coffee Shop.
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00:22:41
So I was like, ohoh,
okay, this is interesting.
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00:22:44
But anyway, we meet women who are
at essentially turning points in
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their lives and, you know, they're
kind of going through some stuff.
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They need comfort.
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00:22:52
They need clarity, they need cosmic
wisdom, which is, you know, the, the,
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the vibes with a lot of these books.
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There's a coffee shop, there's a cat.
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00:23:01
That's all magical and just, you
know, it's like an enchanting story.
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00:23:05
I think it's one of those feel good
books, you know, those, um, I don't wanna
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00:23:09
stereotype, but, you know, um, like,
um, Japanese kind of cozy fantasy reads.
477
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00:23:15
That's kind of what this is, and
I love those stories, so it's
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just like very healing story.
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00:23:21
We have a woman who's going through
love and another one who is stuck
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between her love life and her career,
and someone's trying to reconcile
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with their estranged father.
482
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00:23:30
Then there's another person
navigating a complicated family drama.
483
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00:23:34
Um, but when they go to the full
Moon coffee shop, right, it's
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00:23:38
gonna help them figure things out.
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00:23:40
It's filled with warmth and wisdom,
and of course, transformation.
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00:23:43
So there's astrology in there,
life lessons, cozy magic, just a
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heartwarming tale that reinforces life.
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00:23:50
I guess, um, and help you
reconnect to what really matters.
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So that's what I read.
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:
00:23:54
I've been craving comfort.
491
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00:23:56
Um, if in case y'all don't follow me on
Instagram, I have been so swept up in all
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00:24:01
things Hurricane Melissa, it's in Jamaica.
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00:24:03
'cause y'all know I have family and
friends there, so I needed comfort.
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00:24:07
Okay.
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00:24:07
I can cons concentrate
on anything too heavy.
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00:24:11
Um, and I had this one queued up.
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00:24:12
I started reading it.
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00:24:13
I haven't finished.
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00:24:14
So we're, we're still into progress.
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00:24:16
It's the Amber Glow candies.
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00:24:18
Store so clearly.
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00:24:19
As you can see, I'm gravitating
to all these cozy warmth books,
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00:24:24
and in true fashion, I feel
Francesca's gonna be opposite.
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00:24:28
Francesca: I, I am worse than usual.
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00:24:31
I, I have been messy.
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00:24:34
Don't ask me why.
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00:24:36
So I, I finished two books.
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00:24:38
One is not that messy, one is fine.
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00:24:40
It's just the Halloween Muddy Novella.
510
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00:24:42
Um, it's, uh, maybe this time by Soray.
511
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00:24:46
So this one is just a
quick little novella.
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00:24:49
It's.
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00:24:50
Childhood crush, uh, best friends and
they are separated because the hero
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goes off to Paris to study, um, culinary
arts and whatever opens like a pastry.
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Shop over there and they reconnect
because he comes back to New York on
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the heroin's birthday, who happens
to be, which happens to be Halloween.
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00:25:12
And her sister had set her up to
go to this very exclusive club.
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00:25:16
And she goes there and he's there
and you know, he's, he's trying.
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00:25:21
His luck at getting together with her.
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00:25:23
So I really love stories where it's like
friends to lovers and also like childhood
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00:25:27
best friends and childhood crushes.
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00:25:29
So they were really cute.
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00:25:31
Nothing scary about this one, even
though, you know, like the, the
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00:25:34
cover might make you think that it's
dark and stuff, but it's not dark.
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:
00:25:38
Now the author does write dark stories.
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00:25:42
So I will be, um, exploring more of
her books, but didn't get there yet.
527
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00:25:47
Um, this one I'm currently reading
is Terror at the Gates by Scarlet St.
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00:25:51
Claire, and it's basically a feminist
retelling of the story of Lilith.
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00:25:56
We've got the patriarchy
and all the corruption and.
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00:26:00
You know, the kind of like the
church, powerful church and the
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00:26:03
governments and all this stuff.
532
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00:26:04
Our heroine is from like a magical family.
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00:26:07
She's in hiding.
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00:26:08
She's a thief of like magical artifacts,
and she steals this dagger and that,
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00:26:14
you know, there's, there's more.
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00:26:15
And both to this dagger
that she didn't know.
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00:26:17
She goes to try to sell it.
538
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00:26:18
The guy that she's selling it
to gets killed and so she goes.
539
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00:26:23
Get some help from at one of the
higher ups in the government.
540
:
00:26:28
Um, so it's so far really interesting.
541
:
00:26:30
I really, really have
been enjoying this one.
542
:
00:26:33
Um, I like all the, I do like to
read fantasies where they have
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00:26:38
church themes like woven throughout.
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00:26:41
So I have really been enjoying this one.
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00:26:43
And then I read a really
messy, messy book.
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:
00:26:46
Um, it's a cheating romance.
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00:26:48
It's called Hustled by Roya Carmen.
548
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00:26:52
I actually read this, it's coming out
I think in November, and I read this
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00:26:56
because I have read this author before
and it was a cheating trilogy and at
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00:27:02
the time that was called The Ground
Rules, and I really, really loved it.
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00:27:06
I mean like I loved it in a way of
like reading something that it's just.
552
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00:27:11
Fucked up and like you're just like
watching the train wreck happening.
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00:27:15
But there were reasons why that one
worked and it's because it wasn't like
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00:27:19
straight up cheating like it was, but
it wasn't like they started off like all
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00:27:24
into it and then it goes off from there.
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00:27:27
But this one, it starts off with like.
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00:27:32
It is what it is.
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00:27:33
It is cheating and I
didn't like it as much.
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00:27:36
Terms not, not, not gonna be my
thing, but I still, I still read it.
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00:27:41
It was all right, but I
definitely wouldn't be be writing.
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:
00:27:45
It's fine.
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00:27:46
But I know that there's people that
like to read their cheating romances.
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00:27:49
If you do, hey.
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00:27:51
There's one coming out in November.
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00:27:52
There
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00:27:53
Victoria: you go.
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00:27:54
I mean, people do, people do, do, I have
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00:27:56
Francesca: a friend that will
religiously look for cheating romances,
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00:28:00
and I'm like, I, I don't get it.
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00:28:02
I don't understand it.
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00:28:04
Victoria: Oh, good.
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00:28:04
But I always
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00:28:05
Francesca: say I try
everything once or twice.
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00:28:07
Victoria: That's the thing.
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00:28:08
That's the thing, you know, we're
open-minded about the things.
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00:28:11
Absolutely.
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00:28:13
But yeah, there you go.
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00:28:14
We have some more recommendations, of
course, what we're actively reading right
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00:28:17
now, but we're gonna switch gears one
last time to cover what we're watching.
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00:28:22
Let us know though what you
are reading in the comments.
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00:28:25
If you've been reading anything good,
even if it's boring you or you know,
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00:28:29
it's just not doing anything, you're
just like going through the motions.
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00:28:33
We still wanna hear from you,
so share it in the comments, but
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00:28:35
also share what you are watching.
585
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00:28:37
So as you know, I've been watching
the great British Baking show
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00:28:41
like religion, except this time
I did not watch it on Friday.
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00:28:44
Friday was chaotic.
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00:28:45
I ended up watching it Saturday
morning this time, but still, you
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00:28:50
know, within a reasonable time.
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00:28:51
I was so sad because it was,
again, I can never remember.
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00:28:56
Semifinals.
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00:28:56
Quarterfinals.
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00:28:57
How does this work?
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00:28:58
Anyway, it was the last
five and, um, Ian went home.
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00:29:03
We call him the Short King.
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00:29:05
So this is the thing I like about UK tv.
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00:29:06
Okay.
598
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00:29:07
They are messy.
599
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00:29:08
We just call people how we see them.
600
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00:29:10
It, you know, it, it's a good, fun
time, but we call him the Short King.
601
:
00:29:14
Unfortunately, he went home.
602
:
00:29:15
I don't think he should have gone home.
603
:
00:29:17
So of course I went straight
over to Twitter where people
604
:
00:29:19
love to be controversial and
they agree with me as well.
605
:
00:29:22
Okay, let me see.
606
:
00:29:23
Is Ian in this?
607
:
00:29:24
Well, Ian has to be in the picture.
608
:
00:29:26
It's just, how do I describe Ian?
609
:
00:29:27
Where do I find Ian?
610
:
00:29:28
But anyway, short, he's the, he's
the gentleman in the front, in the
611
:
00:29:32
middle, next to the lady in the red.
612
:
00:29:34
Because I was like, there's no way
they're making Ian stand again.
613
:
00:29:36
Short King.
614
:
00:29:37
Um, he was great.
615
:
00:29:39
I actually think the
other gentleman sitting.
616
:
00:29:42
In the front row near the end.
617
:
00:29:44
He's the one who stayed.
618
:
00:29:45
It was kind of gonna be
a toss up between them.
619
:
00:29:47
And I was so upset he should
have gone like, how is it the
620
:
00:29:50
great, uh, British Bacon show?
621
:
00:29:52
And he is sending home the guy
who I understand appearance
622
:
00:29:55
wise, it might not have been the
best, but the flavor was hitting.
623
:
00:29:59
I'd rather eat something that, you
know, the execution was all the way
624
:
00:30:02
there, but at least it had flavors and
we are hitting as opposed to something.
625
:
00:30:07
That is stunning, you know, um,
execution wise, but then you cut
626
:
00:30:11
into it and there's no flavor.
627
:
00:30:12
I'm like, hello, how are we
letting someone go who had flavor
628
:
00:30:17
and keeping the one with no
flavor, like make it make sense.
629
:
00:30:20
Great British Baking show.
630
:
00:30:21
I do think, um, what's her name now?
631
:
00:30:24
I forgot her name.
632
:
00:30:25
Um, she's gonna win.
633
:
00:30:27
The one girl that is
left, she's gonna win.
634
:
00:30:29
I think she is.
635
:
00:30:30
Um.
636
:
00:30:31
I think she's maybe culinary
trained or something.
637
:
00:30:34
She's too good.
638
:
00:30:35
She's won Star Baker four times and I'm
just like, you know, I, I'm not about this
639
:
00:30:39
life, so I'm still on my great British
baking show binge, but what I watched that
640
:
00:30:43
was new is this show called Wife Swap.
641
:
00:30:46
Okay, so apparently they're gonna
be four housewives, as you can
642
:
00:30:50
see in the promo poster here that
are gonna swap with Normy moms.
643
:
00:30:55
So it's like me swapping with a housewife.
644
:
00:30:57
She's coming to my house.
645
:
00:30:58
She's gonna have to follow my house
rules for the first day, um, of how
646
:
00:31:03
I do things, and then do things,
um, the way I want, want it done.
647
:
00:31:09
But then the next day
they do it, their rules.
648
:
00:31:12
Now, let me tell you, the
first episode was with Angie K.
649
:
00:31:16
This is Angie K.
650
:
00:31:17
She's the Greek goddess.
651
:
00:31:19
Okay?
652
:
00:31:19
Everywhere she goes, she's
gonna let you know she's Greek.
653
:
00:31:21
She went in the middle of nowhere
to this family and she brought her
654
:
00:31:24
Greek sunglass, lemme tell you.
655
:
00:31:26
And she brought, gave the kids Greek.
656
:
00:31:28
Listen, I love me some, Angie K.
657
:
00:31:30
If you watch Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City, you will know her.
658
:
00:31:33
But she swapped with this mom.
659
:
00:31:34
Now I forgot the name of
the town where she went to.
660
:
00:31:36
I think it's Idaho or somewhere.
661
:
00:31:39
The mom.
662
:
00:31:40
So Angie Kay is on the
left of the picture.
663
:
00:31:42
The Normie mom is on the right.
664
:
00:31:44
The Normie mom is an off the grid mom.
665
:
00:31:46
She was living a suburban life, but
she chose to, um, go off the grid.
666
:
00:31:50
You know, she had some illness and
then she was trying to eat healthy.
667
:
00:31:52
She started growing her own things, and
she just wanted to do that full time.
668
:
00:31:56
Long story short, Angie shows up to
this house in the middle of nowhere.
669
:
00:32:00
Their closest neighbor is like
five miles down the street.
670
:
00:32:02
It's like 30 miles to an actual town.
671
:
00:32:05
There's no running water,
there's no electricity.
672
:
00:32:08
Um, the toilet is a compost and
this is a bougie housewife who lives
673
:
00:32:13
in a very modern home, very clean
orga, you know, all these things.
674
:
00:32:19
The Normy mom was expecting she's
gonna go to this Housewife's house
675
:
00:32:22
and she's gonna lounge, you know,
do like pretty cutesy little thing.
676
:
00:32:25
Everybody had like preconceived notions.
677
:
00:32:28
And I don't get emotional.
678
:
00:32:29
I don't get teary, but I did.
679
:
00:32:31
When they met each other in the
end, because they both were like,
680
:
00:32:34
I thought your life was this way.
681
:
00:32:37
I was like, lady, you
have your kids out here.
682
:
00:32:40
This is crazy.
683
:
00:32:41
In the middle of nowhere.
684
:
00:32:42
But they grew to kind of have like
an appreciation for each other.
685
:
00:32:46
It went really well.
686
:
00:32:46
That's the first episode.
687
:
00:32:47
I haven't watched the other one.
688
:
00:32:49
The second episode I heard is with
Melissa Gorger, who's in the middle,
689
:
00:32:53
sitting on the suitcase next to Angie,
but she is swapping with a vegan mom.
690
:
00:33:01
And, um, this is gonna be very
interesting 'cause we've been told so
691
:
00:33:04
many times on TV that black people in
Italian people have a lot in common.
692
:
00:33:08
So it's the Italian lady switching
with the black lady who's vegan.
693
:
00:33:12
And I must see how this Italian
man is gonna, very Italian man
694
:
00:33:16
is gonna deal with a vegan.
695
:
00:33:19
Woman running this house, and
they have two teenage sons and a
696
:
00:33:23
daughter, um, who's the eldest.
697
:
00:33:25
And I'm just like, Ooh,
my God, this is crazy.
698
:
00:33:28
But um, before I switched to
Fran, um, Didi said, um, nothing
699
:
00:33:34
wrong with being a short king.
700
:
00:33:36
They could get it to.
701
:
00:33:37
Listen.
702
:
00:33:38
Yes they can.
703
:
00:33:40
Yes they can.
704
:
00:33:42
And I love when they showed
his family story, um, as well.
705
:
00:33:45
'cause they always show like
their stories in the show.
706
:
00:33:48
He's always talking about his girlfriend.
707
:
00:33:50
And let me tell you, I
feel she's a happy camper.
708
:
00:33:53
Do girlfriend And you were
saying who's Greek at gk.
709
:
00:33:59
You'll, you'll not question
Angie Kay's nationality is Greek.
710
:
00:34:04
Every single, we have a
Greek word of the day.
711
:
00:34:07
Greek flag all the time.
712
:
00:34:09
Greek sunglasses.
713
:
00:34:11
Greek salad.
714
:
00:34:12
Listen, everything Greek her, she goes to
her dad's house and he makes Greek coffee.
715
:
00:34:16
She's like, only you dad
make the best Greek coffee.
716
:
00:34:18
Like
717
:
00:34:19
Francesca: that's the something else
you're always gonna get with Greek
718
:
00:34:22
people is they're gonna tell you
that everything in whatever scenario.
719
:
00:34:26
The origins of that are
Greek, the origins of life.
720
:
00:34:30
Everything is, everything
comes from the Greek.
721
:
00:34:33
You're gonna get a history lesson
even where it doesn't make sense
722
:
00:34:36
like, but they'll find a roundabout
way to tell you why that is.
723
:
00:34:39
Also from the,
724
:
00:34:44
Victoria: listen, you should
see these off the grid kids.
725
:
00:34:46
Okay, with Greek Sun Girl.
726
:
00:34:51
I love Angie Cato.
727
:
00:34:52
I love Angie Kay.
728
:
00:34:53
Oh, that's funny.
729
:
00:34:55
Woo.
730
:
00:34:55
That was funny, but friend,
what are you watching?
731
:
00:34:58
Francesca: So I only have to report back
on interview with the vampire season one.
732
:
00:35:03
So finally got through that, um,
which I'm excited the production
733
:
00:35:08
value of this, like it's so good.
734
:
00:35:10
I really am surprised,
pleasantly surprised.
735
:
00:35:14
I really enjoyed it.
736
:
00:35:15
They did.
737
:
00:35:17
If I would even say better than
the original, you know, nineties
738
:
00:35:21
movie, like I really have enjoyed
what they've done with the show.
739
:
00:35:25
Uh, season one was, you know, again,
pretty to look at, like, the acting
740
:
00:35:30
was great, the production was great.
741
:
00:35:32
Just overall everything
was just top-notch.
742
:
00:35:35
I really loved it.
743
:
00:35:36
The chemistry between our
two main characters, Liza
744
:
00:35:38
and Louis, I mean, excellent.
745
:
00:35:40
I really, really liked it
and I do have to make one.
746
:
00:35:47
One comment here because I
started watching season two and
747
:
00:35:50
there's a third main character
in season one, which is Claudia.
748
:
00:35:55
And that's basically because these two
vampires, they kind of wanted to have,
749
:
00:35:59
not a kid, but kind of like a sister.
750
:
00:36:02
So they turned this younger girl
and the actress that was playing
751
:
00:36:09
Claudia, and I do have notes, the
actress in season one is Bailey Bass.
752
:
00:36:14
And I really, really liked her.
753
:
00:36:16
Like, because she, she's
a teenage girl basically.
754
:
00:36:19
And now she's a teenage girl, vampire.
755
:
00:36:21
So she's very sassy.
756
:
00:36:23
Like she's got the spunk and the energy
and all of the things, like she's
757
:
00:36:26
going on killing Rampages and whatever.
758
:
00:36:28
And then we get to season two and I just
started it, so my opinion might change.
759
:
00:36:32
I'll report back next week.
760
:
00:36:33
But they switched the actress for Claudia.
761
:
00:36:36
So now it's Delaney Hales.
762
:
00:36:40
And I like the energy of the, the,
the few episodes I've seen is like,
763
:
00:36:46
that character has no longer energy.
764
:
00:36:47
Now they have gone through some stuff.
765
:
00:36:50
So I can kind of see how that may
be played into that as well, because
766
:
00:36:56
she is in a different head space.
767
:
00:36:58
So I'm gonna still give her grace
and I'll report back with, you
768
:
00:37:02
know, how season two develops.
769
:
00:37:03
But I, I didn't go looking as
to why they made the change.
770
:
00:37:07
'cause I actually thought that the first
actress was really good for the role.
771
:
00:37:12
So I am curious as to why
that they did that, but.
772
:
00:37:17
Overall, definitely recommend.
773
:
00:37:18
I really enjoyed it and I think
like you can watch it, even if you
774
:
00:37:22
didn't read the book, it's fine.
775
:
00:37:23
Victoria: Huh.
776
:
00:37:24
I wonder why they did that change though.
777
:
00:37:26
Like I'm rocking my brain here.
778
:
00:37:27
Yeah,
779
:
00:37:29
Francesca: it was, you know, and now
in season two, she's like basically
780
:
00:37:33
one of the two main characters to start
and I was like, what is happening?
781
:
00:37:38
So yeah, that was interesting.
782
:
00:37:41
I am gonna have to look into it for sure.
783
:
00:37:44
Yeah.
784
:
00:37:44
So that, this is the
actress in season one.
785
:
00:37:48
Okay.
786
:
00:37:48
And then there is also the actress on the
left side here on season two, so you can
787
:
00:37:56
even see it in the facial expressions,
the one on the right with the crown.
788
:
00:37:59
Definitely more sassy.
789
:
00:38:00
More spunky, more like teenage
vampire that just wants to do.
790
:
00:38:05
What she wants to do.
791
:
00:38:06
Yeah.
792
:
00:38:08
So I am interested to
see how that develops.
793
:
00:38:10
So I'll keep you guys posted.
794
:
00:38:12
Victoria: Yeah.
795
:
00:38:12
Now I'm really curious about that change.
796
:
00:38:15
Hmm.
797
:
00:38:16
We'll see.
798
:
00:38:17
We'll see.
799
:
00:38:18
But let us know in the comments what you
are watching lately, what you are loving.
800
:
00:38:23
Um, DeeDee's asking, listen, you should
know this, how do you say hello in Greek?
801
:
00:38:27
Is, is that it?
802
:
00:38:28
It's, uh.
803
:
00:38:30
Yeah, she had that.
804
:
00:38:31
She had that.
805
:
00:38:32
Yeah.
806
:
00:38:33
Listen, I, I ain't even
gonna try that one.
807
:
00:38:37
No,
808
:
00:38:39
but yes, you meet Greek people, they're
gonna let you know you're Greek.
809
:
00:38:42
But I'm like, you know what?
810
:
00:38:43
I will listen to it.
811
:
00:38:44
Oh Lord.
812
:
00:38:45
Enjoy the food.
813
:
00:38:45
Listen, you can talk.
814
:
00:38:47
You can, you, can you,
can you say that now?
815
:
00:38:53
Just feed me when the
food is gone, then bye.
816
:
00:39:01
Francesca: The food is never gone
817
:
00:39:04
that.
818
:
00:39:07
Victoria: I will pace myself so
I can, I can make it through.
819
:
00:39:11
I'll peace myself.
820
:
00:39:11
Just take my, my time, oh
God, my time and go through.
821
:
00:39:15
But anyways, uh, that's
it for this week's show.
822
:
00:39:18
Again, share your thoughts on just
everything that we covered this week,
823
:
00:39:21
you know, from the Matthew and Paul
drama to your thoughts on the Lee Rivers
824
:
00:39:25
donation, which I thought was amazing.
825
:
00:39:27
This week's new releases, you
know, remember drop a number.
826
:
00:39:32
In the comment section, drop a
number, let us know what books you
827
:
00:39:36
are looking forward to reading.
828
:
00:39:38
We'd love to hear from you as well
and also what you're currently
829
:
00:39:40
reading and what you're watching.
830
:
00:39:42
But on till next week, we'll be back next
week, Thursday, 12 noon Eastern time.
831
:
00:39:47
So mark your calendars and join us then.
832
:
00:39:50
Alrighty everyone.
833
:
00:39:51
Bye bye.
