There were some technical hiccups in Part 2 of my conversation with Irina Shklovski, making the original audio I released very choppy (a lesson in not relying on smart tools!). I’ve uploaded new audio version that is much easier to listen to and doesn't chop off words. So this is an encouragement to you to listen to this now as it is such an important raw honest conversation and Irina shares so many useful ideas about coming back from burnout and learning to be enough, do enough. I include a clip from that conversation as a teaser. 

Overview:

00:00 Intro

00:29 Addressing Technical Issues on Irina Part 2

01:52 Revisiting Irina's Conversation

02:35 Snippet from Irina's Conversation

04:13 Encouragement to Listen to Part Two

04:30 Outro

05:25 End

Episode: Irina Shklovski Part 2

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Geri: 00:00:05

Welcome to Changing Academic Life.

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I'm Geraldine Fitzpatrick, and this is

a podcast series where academics and

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others share their stories, provide

ideas, and provoke discussions about what

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we can do individually and collectively

to change academic life for the better.

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Welcome back to this

another short episode.

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And my main intention today is to

encourage you to go back to part two of

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my conversation with Irina Shklovski.

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I'm grateful to Christiana Grünloh

who pointed out to me that the

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audio that was, uh, posted.

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For Irina's part two was really choppy.

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And the reason for this is that, uh, I'm.

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Using a new tool that is really

great at removing background noise.

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And it was the reason why, you

weren't hearing music for some

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of the episodes because it

interpreted the music in the intro.

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Outro as background noise.

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I think I've worked out how

to work around that one.

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And now I'm finding out that, it also.

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can mistake, parts of audio,

speech for background noise and

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removes that hence the choppiness

of the audio that was released.

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For part two.

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So I've now removed, uh, the

processing of the audio via that tool.

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The trade off is that the audio that

is available is a little bit echo-y

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because we recorded it in person in

a room with a lot of hard surfaces,

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but at least you're not losing words.

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And I want to use this week's

episode to redirect you back

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to what Irina had to say.

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Because I think it was just

so critically important.

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She talked about her experiences coming

back from burnout and the lessons

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that she's learning in an ongoing way

about how to be enough and do enough.

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And it's just so.

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Wonderful and honest and.

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So many valuable lessons for us

all and reminders for us all.

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That I hate you to miss out on it

because of my technical errors.

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So please.

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Um, encourage you to go

back and listen to it.

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And just to give a little bit of a teaser.

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I'll end here with a snippet from

that conversation with Irina.

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Irina: The ability is at a certain

point, you actually have to learn how

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to reflect and be like, Is that okay?

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And at first it takes a long

time to figure that out.

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And then it's less.

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Because you've gained the skill.

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Reflection is also a skill.

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And we're super reflective,

but reflecting on ourselves is

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a completely different skill.

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Which is funny.

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You would never expect that.

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You would think a scholar that's done

deep qualitative work and quantitative

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work and have written things about all

kinds of stuff would know how to reflect.

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And then thinking about your own

life, you just realize that it's

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a completely different skill.

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And you still have to learn about that.

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But somehow, because it's just

you, it doesn't seem like you

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never ever have enough time for it.

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[But it's okay to prioritize you].

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It turns out if you prioritize

you, at least occasionally,

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everybody else benefits too.

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Geri: Yeah.

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I think that's a really

key point, isn't it?

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Irina: And it turns out if you

don't prioritize you, eventually

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everybody loses because you break.

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[Yeah.

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So that's more selfish in a way].

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Yeah.

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It is.

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Because for a while before you break,

you are going to be producing things that

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are never going to be your best work.

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And you're never going to be like,

that was really good, because I

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could have done better, but my head

didn't really have a brain then.

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And that's worse.

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Geri: And that's the end of the teaser.

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So please do go back

and listen to part two.

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I'm really grateful to arena for her

vulnerability and her honesty and

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sharing so much of her experiences.

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You will find a link to her conversation

in the show notes in this episode.

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