In this debut episode of Unleash Your Impact: Unlock Others, hosts Dave Morris and Rich Horton introduce their vision for inspiring leadership. They discuss the importance of emotionally intelligent leadership, creating thriving cultures, and the practical ways leaders can unlock their team's potential. Learn about the philosophy behind Zentano’s Connected Leadership model, their personal leadership journeys, and what to expect from this podcast series.
Key Topics:
· The connection between leadership, culture, and performance.
· How micro-behaviors shape workplace environments.
· The role of emotional intelligence in leadership.
· The personal leadership journeys of Dave and Rich.
· An introduction to the Connected Leadership model.
Takeaways:
Welcome to Unleash youh Impact, Unlock Others, a podcast about inspiring leadership.
Dave Morris:We hope to bring you grounded wisdom, stories from real leaders and leave you feeling inspired.
Dave Morris:Let's dive in.
Dave Morris:Welcome to episode one of Unleash youh Impact, Unlock Others, the podcast about inspiring leadership.
Dave Morris:We have a belief at Zentano you will achieve a better world through better leadership.
Dave Morris:In this podcast, we will discuss how to make that happen.
Dave Morris:I'm your host, Dave Morris, and my guest today and in future podcasts is Rich Horton.
Dave Morris:Hi, Rich.
Rich Horton:Hi, Dave.
Dave Morris:How are you?
Rich Horton:I'm good, thank you.
Rich Horton:Good.
Dave Morris:So Rich and I developed this belief that better leaders make better organisations and in turn that makes a better world.
Dave Morris:Rich, that's the reason why our business exists.
Dave Morris:That's why we get out of bed and do what we do for a living.
Rich Horton:In a business, you want people to perform at their best and environment and context has a profound impact on the way people perform.
Rich Horton:So if you think about the culture you create inside an organization, that's a huge impact or inhibitor on how people perform.
Rich Horton:And leaders have fundamental role to play in how they shape the culture of the organisation and hence how they create the environment for people to thrive.
Dave Morris:Yeah, I totally agree.
Dave Morris:And I think if you look at some of the metrics for leadership in this country at the moment, around well, being, around productivity and around employee engagement, they probably could be better reading for people, couldn't they?
Rich Horton:Yeah, yeah.
Rich Horton:And I think with leaders, I mean, sometimes you think about the obvious big behaviours that can have an impact on the way people perform.
Rich Horton:For example, if you shout at somebody, that can be a huge, huge inhibitor on somebody's confidence and their self esteem.
Rich Horton:But even just what I call micro behaviours, we talk about micro behaviours in our leadership courses, don't we?
Rich Horton:Those micro behaviors like raising of the eyebrows or just the sighing or the huffing, those also have impact on the culture and the environment in which people work.
Rich Horton:So leaders becoming more aware of that, I think is super important.
Dave Morris:Absolutely.
Dave Morris:And we've developed an approach to what it means to be a leader now in the world we live in now, but also what it will mean to be a leader in the world of the future.
Dave Morris:And I think through this podcast series, we will start to explain to people exactly what that is like, both from a theoretical standpoint, but more importantly from a practical standpoint.
Dave Morris:We want this to be a podcast of practical tips.
Rich Horton:Yeah.
Rich Horton:When we set up Sentana, we talked about, if you like, our philosophy on how we're going to work.
Rich Horton:So I think good theory is super important.
Rich Horton:But I remember my supervisor on my master, she said something like, there is nothing as practical as a good theory.
Rich Horton:And I think good theory has to be grounded by being down to earth and being practical.
Rich Horton:You know, part of the way we work is hopefully to take some of the latest research and to boil that down into very practical, accessible tips and tools.
Dave Morris:I agree, and I think that hopefully will be a great takeaway for anybody listening.
Dave Morris:So as this is an introductory or trailer episode, I think we should introduce ourselves and our background so people know we're not famous names, we're not famous faces, but we have a huge amount of expertise and experience with which we can draw on and share with people.
Dave Morris:The format of the podcast will be specific topics, whether they be sort of trending or stuff that we know is important.
Dave Morris:But we'll also interview some guests with some really interesting backgrounds on some topics as well.
Dave Morris:So that will be the format.
Rich Horton:We're going to split the podcasts into two types of formats.
Rich Horton:This format, which is Dave and I talking, I'm going to call that Leadership Unscripted.
Rich Horton:We're also going to invite, as you said, some leaders in the industry and in the field onto our podcast to talk about their experience of leadership.
Rich Horton:And we're going to call that Voices of Leadership.
Dave Morris:Yes, Rich, that is the plan.
Dave Morris:There'll be podcasts coming out weekly.
Dave Morris:The Voices of Leadership probably be at least once or twice a month.
Dave Morris:The unscripted episodes filling the gaps between those.
Dave Morris:And we want to make these, as you said, topical, practical and strong theoretical underpin.
Rich Horton:Yeah, I like a good theory and I like to dig deep.
Dave Morris:You certainly do.
Rich Horton:I do.
Rich Horton:But in my experience, what I found is I like to be grounded and down to earth when I communicate to people.
Rich Horton:Communicate in a way that doesn't leave people cold.
Rich Horton:And I think making this stuff really applicable in leadership is so important.
Rich Horton:I mean, leadership's hard enough without having to sort of wade through theoretical textbooks to think about how you're going to have your one to one with people, for example.
Dave Morris:I think that's good.
Dave Morris:I'd like to pick up on that in a bit, but I think perhaps we should introduce ourselves first of all.
Dave Morris:So would you like to give the listeners a little bit of a history of your background, who you are, where you came from in life, and particularly how you developed your leadership capability and style?
Dave Morris:Because I think that's really important to people.
Dave Morris:Understand who you are.
Rich Horton:Yeah.
Rich Horton:So you can probably tell from the accent, I'm from Gloucestershire.
Rich Horton:And you can tell you're From Bristol.
Rich Horton:I am so two west country boys, actually.
Rich Horton:I started my career in Gloucestershire County Council the age of around 17.
Rich Horton:I left school with little idea what I wanted to be, what I wanted to do, and I fell into career in it.
Rich Horton:I think I did computer studies at school and I ended up in an office in the council where they needed somebody to program one of these really old computers.
Rich Horton:I think it was a Tandy TRS 80, I think, with nine inch floppy disk drives.
Dave Morris:You've lost me already, but carry on.
Rich Horton: I left Candy Council in about: Rich Horton:In total, probably my leadership experience spanned from a couple of years before that in the County Council to I can't remember exactly how many years it was probably 15 years inside.
Rich Horton:It was a challenging environment in which to work actually politically and organisationally.
Rich Horton:At the time, there were seven sister research councils.
Rich Horton:Part of my role required me to work across silos and across boundaries.
Rich Horton:And one of the things early on in my career that particularly I think drove me in terms of what I think good leadership should look like, is the ability to collaborate, not to be driven by your own agenda and to work across boundaries and also to create relationships inside your team where people feel relaxed, they can have fun, but also they get the job done.
Rich Horton:I think I had a very people focused approach to leadership, as we'll explore in later podcasts.
Rich Horton:Some of that is foundational to the eventual leadership model that we created.
Dave Morris:Yeah, and I think you probably ought to explain from a credibility point of view that whilst you're at the research councils, you did a degree in executive coaching and leadership mentoring.
Rich Horton:Yes, essentially somebody offered me free leadership coaching, which I happily took up when I was enrolled there.
Rich Horton:And I was really struck by the power of the coaching process and how that can unlock stuff within you.
Rich Horton:I mean, for me, it unlocked my confidence hugely.
Rich Horton:So as a result, the organisation very kindly funded me doing a master's in coaching and mentoring.
Rich Horton:I did my dissertation eventually in the masters on unlocking confidence and self esteem in coaching practice.
Rich Horton:So if you like, one of my specialist subjects when I coach people is around the area of confidence in leadership, particularly because I've come on my own journey, my own learning and my own experience sort of feed the way I coach and feeds the way I work with people.
Dave Morris:Okay, great.
Dave Morris:I think that gives somebody a really good flavor of who you are and what you bring to your role as a coach and as a mentor and a facilitator.
Dave Morris:I think it also speaks to the title of the podcast because you talked about someone unleash their impact in terms of coaching you.
Dave Morris:And that unlocked you.
Dave Morris:And that's exactly what this is all.
Rich Horton:About, to unleash your impact.
Rich Horton:If you're fearful, if you don't recognize the strengths that you have inherent within you, that if you like, that locks down your potential.
Rich Horton:Yeah, true confidence.
Rich Horton:It means we have a healthy relationship with our strengths and our weaknesses.
Rich Horton:And if we recognize and value our strengths, we're going to use those with confidence and, you know, be much more impactful as a result.
Dave Morris:And that's exactly what we want to try and help people do, is, as you say, to be impactful in their leadership roles.
Dave Morris:Thanks for that, Rich.
Dave Morris:So my background quite different to yours.
Dave Morris:I would probably start my story a little bit further back into my childhood.
Dave Morris:I had a few experiences in childhood where it was a bit tough growing up.
Dave Morris:Death of a parent, divorce also as well of my birth parents and a bit of bullying at school that I was actually subjected to.
Dave Morris:So I think I had the most amazing grandparent, my grandfather, who became my sort of, if you like, coach and mentor and guide.
Dave Morris:I didn't realize till I was much older quite how profound that impact was on me, but now I realize that I think if you can have somebody who has got your back, wants the best for you and is willing to help you find that best, surely isn't that what great leadership is about?
Dave Morris:And certainly that was the role that my grandfather played for me.
Dave Morris:So when I went into the world of work, I gravitated into the world of Insurance.
Dave Morris:Broking with NatWest Insurance Services in Bristol.
Dave Morris:Great place to work.
Dave Morris:Lots of really young people, had a great time.
Dave Morris: And then in the early: Dave Morris:And at that point, the banks were expanding into financial services.
Dave Morris:So I became a financial advisor working for a bank.
Rich Horton:Oh, wow.
Dave Morris:Which effectively is money coaching.
Dave Morris:That's what it is.
Dave Morris:Yeah.
Rich Horton:Did you wear shiny pointy shoes?
Dave Morris:No, I didn't.
Rich Horton:No.
Dave Morris:No, I didn't.
Dave Morris:I may have had some font hair, though.
Rich Horton:That's not what some other people have told me.
Rich Horton:Anyway, carry on.
Dave Morris:Don't believe everything you get told.
Dave Morris:But no, I think I was quite suited to that because a bit like you explained about yourself, I believe in collaboration.
Dave Morris:I believe in the power of achieving things through people and felt that at the time it was a great use of my skills to help other people sort out their finances and their financial planning.
Dave Morris:And I learned a great deal.
Dave Morris:I have to say I learned some brilliant skills and some great knowledge and it gave me some great experience.
Dave Morris:I gravitated through into sales management, which again was about coaching and developing team.
Dave Morris:And then my latter roles were change and implementation management and head of professional development for a wealth management company.
Dave Morris:And some of those roles became more senior.
Dave Morris:I was sat on senior leadership teams and you see all sorts of stuff then that, you know, you see some good stuff, you think that's great leadership behavior.
Dave Morris:I have to be honest, I also saw some stuff, I think I'm not sure that's great leadership behavior.
Dave Morris:And I think I also.
Dave Morris:You talked about confidence.
Dave Morris:It was in that particular time where I probably experienced imposter syndrome for the first time, where I really recognized and that's really common.
Dave Morris:What I mean by that is I was sat on a senior team of leaders where I thought, why am I on this team?
Dave Morris:They've all built up businesses, sold businesses, achieved a lot more than I have in terms of their leadership.
Dave Morris:Why am I here?
Dave Morris:But very quickly I realized I had expertise.
Dave Morris:I had expertise in leadership learning and coaching and developing and that's exactly why I was there.
Dave Morris:And actually these people didn't always understand the stuff that I understood.
Dave Morris:And I think for me that was a massive learning point in terms of actually, as you said, understand what your strengths are, have the courage to use your experience, to use your skills to help a business grow and help a business flourish.
Dave Morris:So, yeah, I think it's very common.
Dave Morris:A lot of people suffer from imposter syndrome.
Rich Horton:Yeah, I think it's fair to say.
Rich Horton:Just going back to your financial services background, I think you shared with me that when you engage with clients, you used a coaching approach in terms of how you engaged them and you encouraged the people who reported to you to use a coaching approach.
Rich Horton:So, you know, we're a company that's big on coaching in leadership.
Rich Horton:Coaching can do so much to unlock people and it doesn't have to be just in the leader to team member relationship.
Rich Horton:You can use coaching in sales, you can use it in customer relations.
Rich Horton:You know, it's applicable across a whole range of things and it's a, it's a skill and a mindset that's really difficult to get right, I think.
Dave Morris:Yeah, Well, I look back on my days in sales and what we were effectively doing is what I call consultative selling.
Dave Morris:We weren't flogging products.
Dave Morris:Okay.
Dave Morris:So with a consultative selling approach, your job is to go and understand the needs of the person that you're engaging with.
Dave Morris:And that is best served by a really curious mindset.
Dave Morris:So don't go in with any preconceptions, Use curiosity.
Dave Morris:But you're dead right, you're going in and you are trying to help people.
Rich Horton:Yeah.
Dave Morris:By being curious and asking them questions.
Dave Morris:And that is what good coaching is.
Dave Morris:You can apply that in so many different scenarios.
Dave Morris:Sales is one, leadership's another.
Dave Morris:But you can be.
Dave Morris:You can apply that as a parent, you can apply as, you know, whatever.
Rich Horton:Exactly.
Dave Morris:So that's a bit about us.
Dave Morris: various guises together since: Rich Horton:Wow.
Rich Horton:Is it that long?
Rich Horton:Is it?
Dave Morris:It's that long.
Dave Morris:You're enjoying it so much you haven't realised how long it is.
Dave Morris:And we've got a lot more work to do.
Dave Morris:You know, you talked about collaboration, the importance of that.
Dave Morris:My concern is when you look at some of the leadership going on, on the world stage, it's becoming very autocratic, it's becoming very, very non collaborative and I think that's a worry.
Rich Horton:At the heart of good leadership is somebody who's emotionally intelligent.
Rich Horton:Agreed.
Rich Horton:In our leadership model, it's what we call working from the connected centre.
Rich Horton:So we're not going to talk about that so much today and we'll talk about that in a future podcast.
Rich Horton:But essentially somebody operates from a connected centre.
Rich Horton:It is not driven by ego, it's not driven by getting their own way, it's driven by understanding how their behaviours, their emotions impact others around them and they're able to be aware of those and to manage those in a really effective way.
Rich Horton:And in my view, the best leaders are those that are emotionally intelligent and there's just a huge lack, I think if you look at the world stage and politicians at the moment, of emotionally intelligent leaders, I think.
Dave Morris:Totally agree.
Dave Morris:And I think we can't run our companies like that.
Dave Morris:We have to run our companies.
Dave Morris:As you said, you know, for companies to thrive, people need to thrive and for people to thrive, we need to manage them in an emotionally intelligent way or lead them in an emotionally intelligent way.
Dave Morris:So totally agree with that.
Dave Morris:So that's it for today.
Dave Morris:We will very shortly send out our first episode.
Dave Morris:We will share lots of thoughts based around, as Rich said, our leadership model we've created, and the reason we created a leadership model was we didn't feel there was an overarching framework that, that help people understand what being a good leader is like.
Dave Morris:So we will start to share some of our thoughts around that in future episodes.
Rich Horton:Yeah, and we call that model connected leadership and the connected leadership model underpins everything we do.
Rich Horton:And actually at the moment, we're in the process of writing a field guide and a book which hopefully will hit the shelves at some point next year.
Rich Horton:Next year.
Dave Morris:So thank you all for listening.
Rich Horton:Yeah, thank you.
Dave Morris:We would love to hear from you.
Dave Morris:Please find us on LinkedIn.
Dave Morris:Please find us on our website, www.zentanogroup.com.
Dave Morris:please leave comments.
Dave Morris:If you have any questions about leadership that in future episodes you'd like Rich and I to answer, we're more than happy to take questions.
Dave Morris:So, Rich, thank you for your time today.
Dave Morris:In future episodes, we will summarize some of the key insights and key learnings and leave people with some practical tips.
Dave Morris:But I think for the day, just maybe a couple of personal reflection exercises to do.
Dave Morris:For me, I would just say this podcast is called Unleash youh Impact.
Dave Morris:Unlock Others.
Dave Morris:What does that mean for you as a leader?
Dave Morris:Reflect on that.
Dave Morris:For you, Rich, what's the takeaway reflection for you?
Rich Horton:I would just say reflect on emotional intelligence.
Rich Horton:Perhaps even ask some of your team for feedback.
Dave Morris:Great idea.
Dave Morris:Well, let's leave it on that blockbuster and we will see you again very shortly.
Dave Morris:Thank you.