Darth Tenebrous takes center stage in this episode as Christian Ashley and TJ Blackwell dive deep into the shadowy world of the Sith. Known primarily as the master of Darth Plagueis and a precursor to Sheev Palpatine, Tenebrous is a pivotal, yet often overlooked, figure in the Star Wars lore. The duo explores Tenebrous's ambitions, including his attempts to manipulate the Force and his visionary schemes that shaped the future of the Sith. They also tackle the complexities of the Rule of Two, a principle that has governed the Sith for ages, and how Tenebrous's legacy intertwines with the galaxy's ultimate villainy. With their signature blend of wit and insight, Christian and TJ shed light on the essence of this enigmatic Sith Lord while having a few laughs at his expense.

Christian Ashley and TJ Blackwell delve into the dark and twisted lineage of the Sith in their latest podcast episode, focusing on the enigmatic Darth Tenebrous. The discussion kicks off with a light-hearted banter that sets the tone for a deep dive into the lore surrounding this lesser-known Sith Lord. As they navigate through the complexities of the Rule of Two established by Darth Bane, they unravel how Tenebrous played a pivotal role in shaping the future of the Sith, particularly his influence over Darth Plagueis and, indirectly, Darth Sidious himself. The hosts cleverly contrast Tenebrous's ambition and cunning with the more infamous figures of the Sith, providing listeners with a fresh perspective on the dark side's history.

The conversation takes a whimsical turn as they explore Tenebrous's unique characteristics as a Bith—a species often relegated to background roles in the Star Wars universe. Christian and TJ emphasize the importance of diversity in storytelling, especially when it comes to the portrayal of villains. They reflect on how Tenebrous's lesser-known exploits, such as his attempts to manipulate the Force and his involvement in starship construction, highlight the intricate web of power and deceit that defines the Sith legacy. The episode wraps up with a thought-provoking discussion on the implications of Tenebrous's existence (or non-existence) on the overarching narrative of Star Wars, leaving listeners to ponder the ripple effects one character can have on an expansive universe.

Takeaways:

• Darth Tenebrous is a lesser-known Sith Lord who played a pivotal role in the lineage of evil, influencing both Plagueis and Sidious in their dark pursuits.
• The Rule of Two, established by Darth Bane, defines the dynamic between master and apprentice, highlighting the tension and ambition characteristic of Sith relationships.
• Tenebrous's ambitions included projecting his consciousness through time to possess the Chosen One, showcasing a complex layer of Sith lore that intertwines with the broader Star Wars narrative.
• The podcast cleverly contrasts Tenebrous's strategic genius with his eventual downfall, emphasizing the irony of Sith ambition leading to their own destruction.
• Christian and TJ shed light on Tenebrous's manipulation of the Force and technological advancements, which laid groundwork for the chaos seen in the Galactic Senate during the prequels.
• The discussion dives into the unique aspects of Tenebrous as a Bith Sith Lord, breaking norms of traditional Sith characterizations and enriching the Star Wars universe with diversity.

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Who was the Sith Lord who trained Darth Plagueis? Who is Darth Tenebrous? Guys, this is Systematicology. We are the priests of the geeks.

Continuing on in our Faces Behind Us series and our Star Wars Week as it is. This, of course, being led today by Christian Ashley, your host for the day, but not your only host.

I'm joined again by the true Sith Lord, Darth Pentecostus himself, to contrast my Darth Bapticus, TJ Blackwell. How's it going, tj?

Good.

Perfect. Monosyllabic as always. Just as the world needs. All right, so, tj, what have you been geeking out on recently?

Nothing.

Peek behind the camera. We're recording this. After recording the longest episode we've ever done together, we had to split it up into two. Maybe that's happened by now.

Maybe not. Something to look forward to. If nothing else, just be nicer to our editor.

So, yeah, we haven't really done too much since then, but I did prepare this list early on and I just now noticed that I exited out of it like an idiot. Oh, there it is. So I saw the Mummy, or if you see it stylized, the Lee Cronin's Mummy, which was way better than I thought it would be.

I actually really enjoyed it a lot. A fresh take on everything. Not every decision I'm big on, but at the end of the day, like it. It served as a fine enough horror film.

Oh, I was. I was actually able to be off on one day to go see Speed Racer in theaters, which.

Oh, man, if you missed it and you never got to see it in theaters, hopefully they do it again, because what a movie.

Yeah, it is definitely a spectacle. Trying to recreate the original anime into live action form. And I think they do a good enough job at that.

They do. They do. Really? I think it's the best live action anime adaptation of all time. Easily.

All right, so moving into our discussion today, we're talking about Darth Tenebrous. Now, most of you may not be familiar with him. That's because he's a very minor figure, especially in canon.

Now, since the only reason we know about any of these Darths is because of the whole, you know, Sith Eternal, blah, blah, blah, fleet nonsense, and Rise of Skywalker in the midst of a lot of nonsense in the sequel trilogy, I'm going to stop now before I go any further.

But the legend stuff, there is still plenty around for his character based off of the Darth Plagueis novel, among many other things that were added really close to the Disney merger. So, tj, this is based around.

After the army of Darkness and Lords of Light and all that mess, I think I butchered the names in the Jedi and Sith wars of the Thousand bby.

And a little before that, we have Darth Bane, as we've covered in another episode, create the Rule of Two, which is how we get the master and apprentice we eventually see in Phantom Menace. So can you explain to the good people what the Rule of Two is? Why that matters for our character here? Tenebrous.

Right.

So the Rule of Two is kind of guiding principle of the Sith as we know them in the modern era, which was instated by Darth Bane because he saw the bloat of the Sith in his era and how it pulled them in different directions, made them weaker. You know, the discord that was sown within their ranks, he thought we would do much better without. He also wanted the power for himself.

Of course, it was this fashion, so. So he killed them all. Killed them all instead. The Rule of Two said there should always be two, no more, no less, master and apprentice.

And the apprentice should usurp the Master,.

One to wield the power, the other crave it.

Yep, yep, yep.

So that matters to Tenebris because he had the powers of Force, precognition, Precogs, which he kind of gradually lost over time because of some stuff that he did. And the thing is, with the Rule of Two, no one follows it. No one follows it. So it's really the Rule of Three, like the Rule of Two and a half.

Yeah.

You've got masters with two apprentices, apprentices with an apprentice, everything.

Tenebris wanted to utilize the Rule of Two to project his consciousness across time so that he could eventually possess the body of the Chosen One, which would have been possible for him because of the rule of two, because, you know, had a 100 chance if he just kept the chain going to eventually get to the chosen one, however long that took. So that's why it's relevant for him. Yeah.

The Rule of Two is one of those very interesting things in canon legends where it's the idea of. In the past, the Sith were, like you said, very bloated and like multiple Sith all over the place.

And this is practically every story told back then of a lot of Sith, a lot of Jedi, a lot of nonsense, a lot of people die, Rinse, repeat. Normally, the Sith start infighting, which allows the Jedi to rally and then able to kill most of them off.

Some remnants remain and Then they regain their forces, and then they strike back. Yada, yada, yada. Bane sees all this, and he's like, nah.

Like, even if it means letting the Jedi win, for right now, they're not going to win once my rule of two is done with them. Because the fewer Sith you have, the fewer opportunities to create infighting to cause, you know, breakaway factions and anything like that.

Civil wars. So, yeah, it's still a problem, because Sith, by their very nature, want to control, want to be in charge. But you're cultivating that.

You have an apprentice in the creed.

It still is in the very identity of Rule of two is that you're still gonna do a little infighting. Yeah.

And, like, yeah, ultimately, your goal as the Master is to die so that your apprentice can take over and then be stronger than you. Hopefully, they find someone that they can train to be stronger than them. Rinse, repeat. It takes a thousand years.

Palpatine is like the ultimate, like, nah, I ain't gonna follow that rule. I'm just gonna use it for my own ends. Which actually works for him.

But I would argue against Bane's wishes, because, yeah, he wins, but he doesn't win totally. Like, he could have if he had actually done what he was supposed to do.

Tenebrous we see along the line of Sith is the guy who ends up becoming the master of Darth Plagueis, first mentioned in Revenge of the Sith. We will see. And he actually appears briefly in the Acolyte, which is around the time he would have been alive.

And it's debated about who would have been his apprentice. At that point in time, it got canceled, and I couldn't care less, so. So anything you want to add about Tenebris before we move forward?

If we don't get any more in depth into him. He's pretty cool character, Bith. You don't see a lot of Bith that aren't playing instruments in Star Wars.

We'll get to that in a bit. Yeah, that's kind of important. So Tenebrous himself, I will also say, is not the Sith.

You kind of expect we'll get into his Master later on who we don't have a name for that's not given to us.

But they were researching things about the Force that actually kind of got the Jedi to realize that the Sith were still active because they sensed a wound in a Force that only could have been created by a Sith, but they don't know who they are. But Tenebrous at that same time as he's researching this, is also developing starships and weapons for multiple different systems and fleets.

That's how he kind of gets in with, like, the Banking Clan and the Trade Federation way before they become involved in anything. And he's very fascinating how he's wheeling and dealing. Is like a businessman, but also a Sith Lord.

Yeah, he is kind of the blueprint for Palpatine. Tenebris was the first one who was like, a major, like, political industry player at the same time as a Sith Lord.

And he actually was massively influential and kind of gave rise to the conditions in the universe that we see during the prequels, where the bank plan is strong, Trade Federation's burgeoning force in Tenebris time. So there actually is a lot there. It's just a shame that no one seems to care about him at all in the. Even a little bit. Yeah.

So it's kind of one of those things, too, that by their nature, no one's really speaking about the succession line and the Rule of Two because no one's writing down their history.

That kind of defeats the purpose outside of them making, like, their own holocrons and the like, you know, no one's supposed to know they exist until the big reveal happens.

And you would expect maybe that person, whoever it was, would have told about who the rest of them were, if nothing else, to be like, hey, without them, I wouldn't be here.

But we know with Palpatine being the guy, and he's not really a big sharer, so I think he knew who they were, but he didn't really, like, publicly announce anything.

Yeah, yeah.

So one of the things we do ask in our faces behind the series is that the.

The question of if this character doesn't exist, if Tenebrous is not there in the line of succession for the Rule of Two, how would the story progress?

Well, it depends on how you mean not there. Is he just replaced by another guy?

Or it would have been a different Apprentice.

Okay, different apprentice means the story still does happen, but I do think it would actually have a pretty big effect. Tenebrous is described as, like, a masterful ship builder, hugely influential.

So if nothing else, visually, the ships would be less cool, if absolutely nothing else.

I do also think he does play a pretty vital role in kind of manipulating the forces in the universe at large to kind of align with what he sees as Palpatine's era. So without Tenebrous, who knows? Maybe no Darth Vader.

Yeah, no, she take a more. More Sheev. Good old Sheev.

I'll be frank with you, your majesty, I think I take a more extremist view here in that things go completely off the rails without Tenebrous in that. Well, someone else has chosen to become the apprentice of his unnamed master.

Well, that apprentice is not going to think the exact same way that Tenebrous does.

Like, he's not going to set Plagueis parents up together, so there's no Darth Plagueis, which means that he's not going to choose Palpatine as his apprentice. So who knows what that does for everything else?

I mean, sure, I'm sure the force will still, you know, virgin birth, Anakin, at some point in time, but who's the Sith Lord that's going to try and take advantage of that? Well, we don't know because it's probably. It's not going to happen the same way. Yeah, yeah. Which.

Which is technically. Minor character. Yeah, it's probably the biggest impact on the story so far, which is a good thing.

You want characters like this to matter. Like, their absence would cause issues for how the story goes.

And I'll repeat that as much as I have to in this, it's like, you know, these characters, if they're not there, they're not going to be able to set up things that we like in our stories. And yeah, Tenebrous didn't exist until the Luceno novel, which once again is very close to the Disney merger.

So it's kind of a pseudo canon because it's kind of close enough. But like, some people don't consider it canon. Some people do. I do, because it adds a lot of really great lore to.

I'm not going to say what I was going to say to the story. And it's just a well written story too, so. Yeah, that's what I think.

Yeah. Which completely fair.

So in this situation, another thing we're asking throughout this whole series is that would we rather be the mentor or the influencer in this series, Tenebrous or Plagueis?

Well, knowing the fates of Tenebrous and Plagueis, I don't know if I want to be either of them. I'm gonna choose Plagueis.

Okay.

I'm gonna choose Plagueis. Just if for no other reason than to know that when I die, I'm gonna be dead.

Yeah. Tenebrous's ending is brutal. Brutal. That's a great way of putting it. Yeah, they both suck.

I don't want to choose one, but the very nature of the question means I have to. So I guess you Know, gun, lightsaber to my head.

I'm also going to choose Plagueis because that means I could choose not to use Palpatine as my apprentice. He could have a very unfortunate accident. Yeah, I'll kill Star Wars Hitler. I'm fine with that. Like, yeah, I mean, I'll do it right now. Just give me.

Give me the opportunity.

So that means I choose someone else, and that means I still die, because the ultimate goal is to take over the Republic in the image of the Sith with the Rule of Two. So that means my apprentice is going to usurp that position for me. But it means I've trained them well.

If they do it right, if they not pull a Palpatine and do it because he's Palpatine and he does it for. To be in power completely. Yeah, I. Assuming my morals are off, I'd be okay with that ending.

Also real. Before you get too far away from the.

From the question, Tenebrous I do like a lot because he kind of is the culmination of Bane's idea of utilizing Sith sorcery, which, yes, he has. No. Which Danvers has no talent for. He does Sith science, which is pretty cool, but.

But Bane's idea of possession, to continue to be the one in power while still utilizing the apprentice's body, which we're kind of hinted at, does. Does work at least a little bit for him, or at least almost works. Tenebris kind of runs with that, and he's like, yeah, damn, do that too.

And it is part of the kind of hypocrisy of Bane at the end is that he does want to continue being the guy, even though that's against his rule that he established. But, no, he's also a bad guy.

Is it against the rule, or does it mean she just didn't win?

I mean, from a certain point of view, you could say that. So, all right, so let's get into the influences behind Darth Tenebrous himself. We have, of course, the very notable unknown Twi' lek Sith master.

He does not have a name, and we know next to nothing about him other than he and Tenebrous were doing some wacky stuff together and at one point in time. So what do you think about unknown Twi' lek Sith master? Long may he reign.

Long may he reign. Pretty awesome. I understand the, like, an author not wanting to commit to creating too many Sith because of the Rule of Two.

They want to, like, leave it open for other authors to, you know, jump in it's like, okay, well, I can write this story about a Sith, you know, Lord, and I can name him and everything, and I just. He has to be a Twi'. Lek. And then we can bunch it right up. I would like it. I would like to have the entire lineage mapped out from Bane Devader.

Personally, I think it'd be cool. But hey, if you.

I get it. I understand.

I've written enough to know sometimes you just want to be like, I'm not writing that.

Leave it to someone else. Not riding that.

Let someone else do it. So I'm a big fan of the unknown Twilight Sith Lord. Big fan.

Yeah. What little we have of him is fascinating in that he's the explanation in universe for why they can know about the Rule of Two.

Outside of what little they did get with the Bane and Zana stuff, they kind of knew something then. But that was 800 years in between then and at that point in time, current history.

So this is 800 years after they last felt the dark side of the Force. The Jedi feel a wound in the Force because of the unknown Twilight Sith Masters machinations.

He messes with it enough to where all Jedi go, oh, no, that's a bad. That shouldn't be happening. And he must be powerful for that to happen.

Yeah. And this time we're in like high Republic era. I want to say my timeline's right.

I think this would be. Yeah, he was Republic born somewhere. It says on Wikipedia on the legend side, anywhere from 247 to 167BBY, which is a long time, don't get me wrong.

But he killed his master anywhere from 167 to 124bby. Still a long period of time, but not nearly as bad. So high Republic starts like 200 something. 232 BBY. I think someone else can correct me.

So, yeah, we're still kind of in that period.

Yeah. So, like, there's some powerful Jedi around. Yeah, he's. He's taking some risks.

Very true.

And the other cool thing that I. I find about him that you kind of learn is that he was attempting to create a virus alongside Tenebris to sever a Jedi's connection to the Force. But it was one of those things that ultimately just.

Just they couldn't figure out how to do it without also them losing their connection to the Force. So they kind of gave up on the idea. Which you think, cool plan. Polar plan, if it worked.

Yeah. Could have. Could have been awesome. Could have Been awesome. The buddy would have loved the Old Republic. It's like they figured it out.

You traumatize somebody enough, you know, at least temporarily sever their connection to the Force. Yeah.

Or you strip yourself in the case of the Exile.

Yeah. So ambitious guy. Ambitious guy. I like. I like it when the Sith get a little different. They're not just manipulating the Force.

I like Sith sorcery, Sith science. Like. Like Tenebrith calls it of a fan. And it's a fun idea. And Tenebris does take it and he uses it as a basis for his maxichlorians. Yes.

So the Influence is there.

So next up on our docket, we do have the moon, Sith M U U N. Darth Plagueis himself. So how do you feel like he is an influencer to his master, Darth Plagueis the Wise.

You get a lot. Most of our information on Tenebrous comes from this book or his Plagueis book. Well, at least a good bit of it. He. It's hard.

So Teneris is a hard character to talk about because he gets influence from the future, which is a lot of how that works for him, even as he loses the ability to do so. So he does learn more than you think from his apprentice because he also, once he invades Darth Plagueis mind, learns.

A little bit more from him.

Does that make sense? Is what I'm saying making sense?

Yes. It's hard to talk about a power like that because of how the time differences work and what knowledge do I have of the present versus the future.

But also I'm also in someone else's mind at certain points in time. Am I in their body? Am I taking control? It's a weird one to write around. And yet it's also super fun at the same time because it's creative.

And what Lucino does and multiple of the novels he did in the old canon is be very creative with how the Force was explored, the galaxy was explored.

So even if I don't pretend to understand everything, at times I do enjoy what he's doing because it's way different than, oh no, Jedi versus Sith or Rebels versus Empire. Not say, those are bad stories. But when you get a lot of that together, it kind of runs together.

Yeah, you're right. He writes good Sith stories, and I love a good Sith story.

So Plagueis himself is an interesting figure because of course, we hear about him the first time in Obvious and I was that little boy kind of story from Palpatine to Anakin of Darth Plagueis the wise until he was killed. It's like, oh, what a tragedy. Who could have done such a thing? Who would be heinous enough and evil enough to do it? Couldn't be me.

Not the obviously evil Palpatine.

No, never.

So we are covered by that extent. No, never. Good old she would never be a politician senator, like, he's a heroine.

Killed those people.

Like he did what he could to save the Naboo. The no confidence vote was called in his favor. Like, come on, he couldn't be the bad guy.

But of course Plagueis does, you know, end up learning under Tenebrous, you know, deciding he's going to do his own thing. Like, they explore some of the things that Tenebrous had done with his former master.

But like there's some retroviruses they try and create to mess with things that actually enable Plagueis to use some of his abilities to try and latch on to other people, other Sith to take over their minds. But they're just two different people.

And that's good because it creates a lot of good conflict between them and both of them are looking ahead in different ways.

Yeah. Darth Plagueis also has a cool set of powers that doesn't really explored in Sith stories.

Plagueis does have the power to heal, like they say in the quote, you know, couldn't save himself though.

There's actually.

There's a really funny song by a band called Canadian Softball Classic Midwest emotes band name, but it's called Peeve Chalpatine.

And they're just delivering the Darth Plagueis monologue in like that whiny yelling voice with dramatic like complex guitar parts going on in the background. Great song. Check it out. But Plagueis is one of the more interesting forces in the universe at the time, definitely.

And of course he's a huge influence on Palpatine and all the stuff he does. He's not the best master as far as reigning in his apprentice, but that is what it is. We also have good old Darth Venomous. That's more towards.

Let's see. Hold on one second. Venomous. Go ahead, Go ahead, tj. Yeah. Because he is also an apprentice of Tenebrous.

Yeah, yeah. Like I said earlier, they all break the rules. Tenebrous had two apprentices. I don't think they were at the same time, really.

There was some overlap, but it sucks that we can't say Darth Tenebrous was the only Bith Sith because of Venomous, but. But he did choose a Bith to succeed him. And I don't even. I don't even remember why they didn't work out. But Plagueis takes some offense to that.

And also the fact that Venomous starts calling himself Darth without having earned the title.

Yes, very presumptuous.

Very presumptuous. So Plagueis solves that issue. Talented apprentice, you know, at least in the lightsaber department, but just didn't work out at the end.

And, you know, Tenebris learns from his mistake of Venomous chooses Plagueis instead.

It's really awful. § He keeps him alive for some time after he loses a lightsaber duel to Plagueis Venomous. And yeah, he just.

He eventually kills him after killing him multiple times over. It's like, I'm done with this. You can die for real now.

Yeah, it's rough. It's rough because he just survives to be Plagueis's guinea pig.

But Tenbris gets to glean some of that information because he gets to see the future once he's in Plagueis body before he loses it completely, which is.

How he ties into Tenebrous, even though Plagueis is his alleged master.

So of course, we also have, like, even though they never meet, we have Darth Bane himself as an influence from beyond the grave, 800 years in the past on Tenebrous. What do you have to think about him?

I like Darth Bane. Tenebrous, smart guy, chooses his heroes. Well, you know, chooses here as well. But he does much in the style of Bane already talked about a little.

Bit,.

Kind of accidentally. He follows Darth Bane's true ideal of remaining in power through his ego. And I can appreciate that. Anything to be more like Darth Bane. He was bald.

Famously. Bith grow great big heads of hair. So obviously that's part of the Darth Bane influence as well. Clearly.

Of course.

All of every. Everyone, every one of his influences is bald, actually, now that we're talking about it, because I don't think any moons. Moons can't grow hair.

I don't think no Venomous is Bith. Twi' leks don't have hair.

Nope.

Pretty funny.

Yeah. More of my people, Bane. I mean, what can we say about Bane we haven't said before?

But when you actually look at the history behind everything there, it's like, oh, we're winning. Oh, no, we're Fractured, and the Jedi regained some territory. Oh, we're winning again. We're back in style.

Oh, we're gonna fight civil war and the, like. Jedi regain some territory because we are stronger than them when there are a lot of us. But the thing is, we're also stronger.

So we're gonna, like, see, kill this guy, assassinate him. I take his position now, that split between the people who were in the conspiracy and Maine's like, no, done. This is madness.

If we're gonna do the evil Sith thing, we're gonna do it right. If you're gonna do wrong, do right. And Tenebris, for the most part, outside of the venomous thing, follows in this.

In this way based on Darth Bane's teachings. So we know he still has holocrons left behind by Bane that left some of these teachings behind.

I'm sure they've been passed down from master to apprentice for hundreds of years. And why wouldn't they? You've got to start with the best. If you want to be better than him, you got to learn from the guy you want to be better than.

So also had honorable mentions here. Like, we kind of talked beforehand. I don't know if there's anyone else we'd really add outside of Plagueis.

Parents that Tenebrous has a relationship with, he kind of puts them together so they can have an ultra ubermensch baby that he can train as an apprentice. That's kind of.

That is kind of funny. He uses his Life Force precognition powers to determine that they need to have Darth Plagueis. Just because he'd be really strong in the Force.

Sets him up. So he's.

He's a manipulator for sure. If you want to be a good Sith, you have to be. If you want to be a Sith that lives long, you have to be.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

So one thing I found fascinating, this whole thing is that typically, you know, given that our audience is human based, a lot of our main characters are going to be human. And the fact that it's cheaper to do that. You don't need to put makeup on someone, latex or anything like that.

But when you're writing novels, you get to throw the weirder stuff out there, and instead of another generic human Sith, we get a Bith. We get a moon in Plagueis. Like, how interesting is it to you that unlike what we used to, we get Tenebrous as a bith?

I mean, it's fun, if not particularly interesting. Bith are very like cerebral intelligent race. That's why most of them are musicians.

I don't know if you know this, but playing instruments is kind of hard.

Yeah. At least playing a skill I don't have.

Yeah. So that's generally where we'll see them. We'll see them as scientists, musicians, rarely in positions of power. So it is cool.

I do like being able to make that, you know, make it happen because it's a book, not having to pay for it. Bits are cool, though. They have, you know, some of those fun little alien traits that show up. Like they. They breathe through their skin.

They don't have noses. So it's definitely fun to explore. But they got big dumb heads.

I really appreciate this.

Other than the fact that we get a species that isn't human as a Sith Lord in the fact that Star wars and a lot of other shows like in series like Star Trek are very guilty of the Planet of Hats trope. Like, you know, every Bothan is a spy because we have many Bothans died. You know, getting the Death Star plans for the second one.

All Wookiees are good guys for the most part. And Trandoshans are bad guys because they hunt Wookies. Therefore they can be bounty hunters and everything. To have a Biff.

All we see in episode four is them as a band and they're playing a sort of music. I'm not going to say out loud because George Lucas just had to be himself.

They changed it though, right?

I really hope so, but who knows?

I'm pretty sure they changed it. It also, but that makes it doubly if, you know, we're talking about. Makes it extra funny because Bith have evolved.

Like, they're very advanced species. They don't need to sleep. And they've also like completely atrophied their reproductive organs. They have to do like, artificial gestation.

Like they cannot naturally reproduce anymore. Hilarious.

It's wild.

Hilarious tidbit.

Yeah. In light of all that, that does make it funnier, doesn't it? But I like playing against the idea of this is what a species supposed to be.

Every Twilight is supposed to be either, you know, a really buff dude fighting or like a slave girl to the newest hut that's around a dancer.

Like, they did not change it, by the way.

Okay.

I'm glad they added a word.

Oh, okay.

Whalers. Like W A I L, D R S. Yes.

And they kept the last one. They kept.

It's hyphenated now.

Okay.

Yeah. Or at least that's what the musicians are called. The genre is still the same.

Never change Star Wars. So yeah. So I really appreciate it when a species is played against type when you allow them to be multifaceted.

We just don't have a schemer or someone like that or a bad guy. Because General Grievous is a bad guy. Therefore every. Remember the Kalish race is also a bad guy or Hook or whichever one it is.

Yeah. And that's why it's nice to have like Ayla Secura, Twilight, Jedi.

Yes.

Instead of being a dancer, we have Devin in Mall Shadow Lord. No spoilers. I haven't seen the last couple because I'm working fair, so. I like it too. It's. It's a lot of fun.

All right, so next up on our docket, what parts. We're asking this for everyone. What parts of tenebrous journey should we emulate or excise from our own lives? Some fairly obvious. Go ahead.

I think you should do your best to possess the mind of your successors.

I mean, that way you can ensure that things are run smoothly because you already did a great job, right?

Yeah, yeah.

It's no brainer. Great. It's like why would I ever let someone else's will be involved when I could be the guy?

Yeah. He also does though, even in his schemes and they are self serving, but he does still like advance his community as Rogue is known.

He still is like contributing to his community, contributing to the field at large of you know, starship construction. It's the little things.

It's always a good improve technology, do something right. Yeah. It benefits other people. That's a good one. Yeah. He makes great advances and stuff like that. He's willing to like.

He has a great thirst for knowledge. He uses it for wrong intentions. But you know, it's nice to have a good thirst.

Want to understand things and test things and figure out if they could do it this way. What if I did it this way? Would that make things easier?

But then when you go and think to things like, well, I'm going to create a virus that's going to strip the Jedi of their ability to use the Force. Wrong way to go about it. But then he's a Sith, so that's something to expect from them.

So you had a whole taking over things, thinking you're the only person who can be in charge. As someone who has to fight that instinct daily, I'd say that's a bad one.

Excise that from your life, enforcing your will upon others, trying to take over other people's lives. Yeah, we Made fun of it earlier, pretending like we liked it. We don't like Bad way of doing things. It's a bad leadership role.

Your job is to inspire the next generation. Teaching them the way you know how to do things, but letting them be their own person and trying to actually become them. Bad way to go about it.

Your life is yours. Don't try and get another one.

Yeah.

Anything else about our boy Tenebris before we move on?

No.

All right, TJ and I are also going to be asking ourselves a bonus question. So if that interests you, you can head down to the fourth wall link provided down below. Head that way.

It's with a little money away and you'll be part of the team in that regard. Get some extra content, extra gear. Right now I'm wearing the Geeks on a Roll shirt because that's what we're doing earlier. But you know what?

I'm proud to wear it a second time in another video. And the question we're going to be asking ourselves then, what part of the timeline of the Rule of Two would we like to see fleshed out more?

We've got a thousand years of history. We've got know kind of the beginning, a kind of bit of the end. We don't really know a lot of the other parts, so that's for that.

Do you have a recommendation for the.

Audience, tj Roll of Two, Drew Caperson, Darth Band.

That's easy enough answer. It's a great one. The man knew what he was doing in all three of those books. I will say for my recommendation.

The other day I happened upon the first two volumes of Cardcaptor Sakura. I love the anime and I read the first two volumes and they're pretty great. It's a fun show but also a fun manga. So like to shout out some supporters.

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