A ragtag crew of pop‑culture icons race to restore life across collapsing worlds by chasing Maui's hook and returning the Heart of Te Fiti — and they end up squaring off with a grief‑driven Tony Stark and a well‑meaning Celebrimbor who’ve been “forging” life in all the wrong ways. Joshua Noel, the GM, moons in and out of exposition, dropping the players on Motunui and basically saying “fix it” with minimal paperwork. TJ Blackwell and our guest, Mark Flower, pick an absurdly fun lineup to play through this story - Deborah from the book of Judges, Princess Shuri from Black Panther, Elphaba from Wicked, Appa from ATLA, and Long John Silver from Treasure Planet. The group immediately bicker, banter, and break into a musical number to distract Tamatoa. Elphaba provides chaotic magical flair while Shuri brings tech savvy, and they balance each other as the plot wrestles with a juicy ethical snag: is creating life at all costs justified, even if it means trampling other lives? The ride includes buffed Kakamora ambushes, a Going Merry jaunt to Mount Doom, a shoe‑button weak spot in Tony’s suit, a persuasive prayer that changes the course of events, and a final score that smashes the Geeks on a Roll leaderboard. They leave things both healed and messy — which, of course, means there’s ripe material for a sequel and a lot of post‑game chatter about utilitarian temptations and who really gets to make life.

Chaos meets conscience as a ragtag crew of pop-culture weirdos—Deborah, Princess Shuri, Elphaba, Appa, and Long John Silver—are plunked down on Moana's Motonui with dying trees and rotten coconuts. The GM, Joshua, tees up a straight-to-the-point quest: nab Maui's hook, snag the Heart of Te Fiti, and maybe not wreck everything in the process. They chase a glowing hook to Tamatoa, survive a buffed-up Kakamora ambush (because of course the small fry had to be extra spicy), and pull off a delightfully absurd musical moment when Elphaba serenades the giant crab. Tamatoa is neither fully villain nor punchline—he's depressed, shiny-less, and convincing enough that negotiation and song beat pure slaughter.

From there the plot pivots meta: Tony Stark shows up in an organic, life-spawning suit forged with Celebrimbor, explaining a utilitarian impulse to “fix life” by force and technology. The team wrestles with whether to stop him, steal his juice, or yank the Heart back to where it belongs. Shuri's tech savvy, Deborah's steady leadership and prayer roll, Elphaba's witchy skepticism, Appa's snack-driven practicality, and Silver's opportunistic charm all collide in a series of tense-but-hilarious interactions. Will the team be able to heal Earth 616, Arda, and the island of Motunui - or will they defeat themselves?!

Takeaways:

• We discuss “theology is play” as a way to let story sneak past our defenses and teach ethics more joyfully than dry argumentation, which made the episode surprisingly thoughtful and not preachy.
• They cobbled together a weird Guardians-style ragtag crew—Deborah, Shuri, Elphaba, Appa, and John Silver—whose clashing leadership vibes created tasty conflict and comedic gold.
• Mark and TJ wrestle with a messy utilitarian quandary when Tony uses the Heart of Te Fiti to manufacture life, prompting debate about whether good ends excuse ethically dubious means.
• Joshua ran a fast, improv-heavy campaign with musical interludes, bargain-flipping pirate antics, and cinematic set-pieces, keeping the pacing spicy and delightfully unpredictable.
• TJ and Mark solved problems by blending strengths—Shuri’s tech smarts, Elphaba’s magic, Deborah’s decisiveness, Appa’s mobility, and Silver’s cheeky opportunism—illustrating cooperative creativity over brute force.
• Joshua, TJ, and Mark all flag hubris as the real antagonist: Tony and Celebrimbor’s well-intentioned overreach shows how unchecked power and utility-minded fixes can backfire spectacularly.
• They kept the vibe loose and witty—friendly smack-talk, pop-culture nerdery, and genuine reflection—so heavy theological questions felt accessible and even kinda fun.
• Joshua rewarded the team for entertainment and creativity, declaring a new high-score on the show while planting seeds for future cross-universe shenanigans.

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Will life always find a way?

Are there times that we need to make a way for life?

We're going to be asking that and a lot more in today's episode of Geeks on a Roll, where we just play a game, acting as some of our favorite characters across pop culture in crazy different campaigns.

Kind of like D and D, but not like D and D. It's Tabletop.

That's really the only similarity.

I'm Joshua Noel.

I'm gonna be the gm.

Episode of Geeks on a Roll.

Excited for this one.

We have.

We have some interesting players here.

So I'm here with TJ Taviers, One Blackwell and Mark Flower of Grub and Grace.

TJ is one of the hosts.

This Mike Ecology also does hold Church podcast with me.

Grubbing Grace is an awesome podcast you guys need to listen to.

What's interesting is the first high score we really had was Christian Ashley and Mark Flower.

TJ and our other friend Mike Morelli recently tied that.

We gave the tiebreaker to them because they defeated Thanos.

So really, we have two record setters here for the Geeks on a Roll game.

So this is gonna be a good one.

You're not gonna miss it.

I mean, you're listening, so you didn't miss it.

Also, it's definitely not Tabletop.

We are online.

I mean, I have a Tabletop here and I will be rolling a dice on it, but I have a good account as well.

So for this, though, you guys were asked for your team this time to choose a woman from any religious text.

A princess that's not Disney or Pixar, A magic user of some sort.

I was pretty vague on that one.

An animal sidekick and a seaman or woman of sorts.

You chose for your team Deborah from the Book of Judges in the Hebrew Bible, Prince Shuri from the Black Panther comics and movies, Elphaba from Wicked, Appa of Avatar the Last Airbender, and John Silver of Treasure Planet.

So it's gonna be fun.

But before we jump into it, we got to talk about.

We've been kicking lately.

Mine's a shock to literally no one at Kingdom Hearts specifically, I finally got.

Because they've been taking their time putting into English, but we finally got volume 4 of the Kingdom Hearts 3 manga in English.

So I've been able to finish that finally.

So that's kind of cool.

But yeah.

DJ What.

What have you been geeking out on, man?

I read all of Haikyuu over the past couple of days.

The.

The Volleyball, sports, you know, series.

It's pretty Good.

Makes me miss volleyball.

Isn't that a long series?

No, it's like 404 chapters.

That's a long series.

Mark, What?

Have you been geeking out?

I mean, if we're talking about geeking out and geeky type stuff.

And of course my mangas.

Whenever I'm on your show, I always talk about mangas.

I think Bug Ego is my favorite one right now.

It's slow going, the issues come out very slowly.

But I've been really into nonfiction books as well.

So this book called Enchantments of Mammon, it's a critique on capitalism, but from religious kind of like histories.

And then a book called the Dangerous Class, which is kind of like a.

Gets in the weeds of like Marxian terminology and stuff like that.

Sweet.

Sweet.

Yeah.

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We also really appreciate our financial supporters.

Today we're shouting out Annette, Noel, my aunt Annette.

Thank you for all your support.

We appreciate you.

You're the reason for my geek.

The face is behind me.

It's Annette.

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Or you can become an official member, which is just more fun.

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If so, if you like the series, there's a link in the show notes that's just a playlist of all the episodes of Geeks on a Roll so you can hear more of us playing.

Not tabletop over there.

Yeah.

Which is, you know, I think a lot of fun.

And with that we'll go ahead and jump into this.

So jumping in.

We always like to start with just kind of discussing what it is you told you guys.

We're kind of playing the game.

We're going through a campaign.

You guys chose characters to play through.

As for those who don't know, with our podcast, we like to get the nerdy, you know, pop culture stuff.

We also like to think a little bit deeper.

That's why Will really like calling us geekologists.

Digging deeper into pop culture, because it sounds like, you know, geologist.

It makes him happy.

Much like myself, he really likes puns.

Theologist.

I think that's what he.

Yeah, I feel like it works either way.

I don't know.

But discussing a little bit more of this Mark, I know you've heard it at the same theology boot camp that I did, which I'm going to theology boot camp soon.

Shout out to those guys.

But I wanted to hear from Mark.

The first time you've heard theology is play or you've heard us kind of bounce that idea around to you, how would you explain what does that idea mean?

Theology is play.

Honestly, it kind of makes me think back to theology.

Beercamp.

Two years ago, there was a panel about D and D and is it okay for Christians and churches to play D and D?

And they were making an argument for role playing games like D and D. Of course, you have to get past the stigma that it's this demonic thing that you can't get into, that it's going to open this realm to the underworld sort of thing.

But what it really does is that it opens the door for kind of learning real life circumstances and skills and whatnot and working through scenarios in a fantasy setting or like a roleplay setting around family, friends, whatever.

You may be mentors.

And you can learn these kind of skills and tools and whatnot, get this toolbox for life.

So when you get out of offering around the table, you can get in life and kind of use these skills and whatnot to practice social skills and even just skills of critical thinking and all these type of things.

So when you say theology at play, that's kind of what I think.

And I think you can bring a lot of this kind of theology and what you learn from biblical religious texts or anything like this, or just religious communities.

And you can channel that into play, into role playing and games like what we're doing today.

So that's kind of what I think of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I always bring up CS Lewis, just my favorite thing to do in general.

But to me, what really stands out is CS Lewis has a Few different things.

One time when he's talking about how the church deals with sex, of all things, he talks about how we treat it with the wrong kind of seriousness.

And I like that term because I feel like it's true with a lot of things.

I think a lot of times with theology, we treat it with the wrong kind of seriousness.

Yeah, it's serious, but it should be something we're deriving joy out of studying God, thinking about the things of God, not stuff that's making us constantly fight and want to hurt each other.

And I think stuff like play allows us to still think about this theological ideas, but in a different setting, so that we're not taking it with the wrong kind of seriousness.

So I think it helps us in that way.

He also talks about how usually we already have our minds made up of what we want to believe and straightforward arguments a lot of times don't do anything.

But story can kind of sneak through our guard and let us see something different.

So I think doing this as play also helps us experience our ideas through story.

So I'm bringing my ideas, theological concepts, ethical, whatever.

You know, I'm always going to squeeze in, like, I don't like utilitarianism, but then you guys are bringing your own ideas in, and we're going to play through it in story.

So I'm not just going, oh, Mark, you're wrong.

And you're going, oh, Josh, you're wrong.

We're seeing it interact, and I think that helps a lot, too.

TJ, do you want to add anything?

Not really.

TJ's favorite T shirt for cismac ecology is the TJ quote on the back.

There's nothing on the back, if you're wondering.

He's just a man of few words.

Yeah.

So with that, we are going to go forward.

This campaign that we have coming up, I expect that we're going to be addressing ideas of, like, the importance and sanctity of life, the dangers of utilitarianism, selfishness, and communal living, different themes like this.

Today's campaign will be titled Life Forgery.

But before we jump into the story, I do want to talk some about the characters you guys chose and why you chose who you chose.

So help us walk through this.

First up, for your religious character, your woman.

From any religious text, you guys chose Deborah from the Book of Judges.

Tj, you want to tell us a little bit about why Deborah?

Well, for most of these characters, Mark came up with some choices, and then I kind of picked and chose which ones we were going to go With.

And Deborah was one of those.

And Deborah honestly brings a lot to a team like this.

You know, one of the.

The only female judge of Israel, military leader, one of the strongest women in the Bible.

Hard to go wrong.

Hard to go wrong.

Solid choice.

So.

All right, so next up, we have Princess Shuri from Black Panther comics movies.

Mark, you want to tell us something about Princess Shuri?

Sure.

Princess Shuri, of course, the princess of Wakanda and the world over there.

Very technologically advanced.

So what she can bring is she can bring all the technology with her.

She's very good on her feet so that she can create technology on the go with whatever tools she has around her, whatever stuff is laying around.

She's very overconfident, so she's one to kind of jump into things and just figure it out as she goes.

So she's flexible.

She's able to kind of go with the flow, and I think she'll be a pretty good asset that way.

Nice.

Nice.

All right, tj.

Elphaba.

What were we doing with Elphaba here?

Singing.

Elphaba's a lot of fun and very talented.

Surprise musical episode.

Yeah, surprise.

I mean, there's great music in all of these franchises, the Bible included.

So it seems like a natural choice for us to pick Elphaba.

One of our other choices was Ms. Frizzle, and the reason we waffled on that is because we weren't sure if we would get the magic school bus.

With Ms. Frizzle.

I wasn't sure we got to get the school bus.

You would not have.

Exactly.

You would not have given it to us.

So I went with Elphaba just because she is a strong witch with a strong leadership suite of skills that she develops over the course of her story, which I think might come into play here.

Though it will be kind of a too many chiefs situation.

I fear,.

Truly, the next one is what's really going to break the campaign for me.

I just didn't consider y' all doing something like this, so we'll see what happens.

Appa.

Appa is your animal sidekick.

Mark, tell us about that.

See, I am all about breaking stuff.

If I ever join, like, a D and D campaign, I really want to have wild magic so I can just break everything.

And so Appa, I think, is perfect for this.

And it's one of those, like, who doesn't love Appa?

If you watch or watch any of the Avatar shows or anything like that, Appa is just.

Everyone loves Appa, and every character loves Appa.

The only downside is that Appa doesn't really have good communication, so he grunts whatnot.

You can tell by his facial expressions or movements.

So there'll be a kind of a language barrier between that.

But I think a fun thing that will happen is that all the characters are going to superimpose themselves onto Appa and kind of use him as a way to express their own opinions through him, because he can't really express himself.

So I think this will be kind of fun to have a creature like this.

Plus, he's a tank.

I mean, he's strong.

He can just rush in and power through something.

And he's a good transportation, too.

He flies, they can jump on his back, all that kind of stuff.

So I think he'll be a good addition.

But like you said, we'll see how it plays out.

Yeah.

And then the very first, when I gave you the list, TJ said, have to.

This is like the one.

I think, of all the games, this is the first time I've ever seen TJ just say, this is who I want.

John Silver, Treasure playing it.

Tj, tell us.

Well, that's John Silver.

Let's launch on Silver.

Why are we not.

There are other good choices.

We could have, like, gotten a one piece character or historical pirate, but long John Silver, the cyborg.

What a.

Just.

What a character.

Nothing else really to say.

Honestly, he's John Silver.

He can do it.

He's crafty, he's strong, he's creative.

Yeah.

So the thing that I like, when you first picked him, I was like, wait a minute, that's not the C. But, yeah, I'm not gonna be that nitpicky.

It also, my brain was like, couldn't decide if this is because, like, man, TJ really likes Treasure playing it because he does, or if TJ was just being smart, going, wait a minute, we can have a cyborg on the team.

Might have been both.

Yeah.

I just really like Treasure Planet.

I was telling TJ before we started recording, this team's kind of like a Guardians of the Galaxy kind of team.

Like, it doesn't really go together very well, but at the same time, like, all their skills are very unique, and they kind of complement each other and speak of cyborgs.

I mean, you got like Rocket on Guardians of the Galaxy.

You got to have a cyborg on this team too.

So.

Well, I thought it was interesting.

You have the three strong, powerful women of color.

I didn't know how intentional that was.

I mean, I said princess, and I said, you know, woman character from Any religious text, but, you know, you still kind of set it up.

Interestingly, it kind of worked out.

Yeah.

So before we get into the game, I want to hear some from you guys of how do you think the dynamics are working out here?

Who do you think is going to try and take lead?

Who do you think's gonna maybe butt heads the most?

Give me some ideas with this team.

I think Debra would naturally try to take the lead just because that is what she is.

But also, Princess Shuri might try to take the lead, though she is more accustomed to being in the follower role.

Elphaba is kind of a wild card.

Yeah, yeah, she is kind of a wild card.

But John Silver more than willing to, you know, sit in the back and try and lead from behind the scenes, at least until it is more profitable for him to take over.

And Appa's Appa.

Yeah, yeah.

See, I feel the way I see it is kind of like.

Like, yeah, I agree with you.

Like, Deborah would try to take the lead, but then you got these other strong personalities like Elphaba and Shuri.

Shuri would.

Would be like, well, we need some measurable form of way to move forward.

Like, you know, you just saying, like, this is the wiser path is, you know, I need some measurable type of thing.

And Alphabet's gonna go off.

Instinct, she's gonna go off, you know, like, I'm not gonna go the way that smells like death.

And then you got, yeah, Long John Silver, he's gonna be like, I just have a hunch that we need to go this way.

And they're all gonna be kind of combating a little bit.

But I think Deborah's gonna be the natural lead, too.

Yeah.

Yeah, I see that.

Because it's interesting because Deborah and Elphaba both have this, like, there was something that needed to be done, so I just did it, like, mentality.

Shuri does understand, you know, chain of command.

Very much so.

Especially in Black Panther.

Also, for those who are wondering with the music stuff that DJ mentioned earlier, if you watch the old animated Black Panther show, music was so good for that.

Yeah.

And just side, like.

But in general these days, Marvel soundtracks are great.

Yeah, fair enough.

All right, we're gonna jump into today's campaign.

A life forgery.

For those who don't know the rules, for the most part, we're just going to say yes.

Ian, try and play along.

There will be up to six rolls.

I'm allowed to.

Y' all are allowed four and up to two coin flips, basically, just for me.

If I'm like, I'm not sure, I could go either way if that'll work or not.

I should use a coin flip for that.

Because we're trying to keep this relatively short.

We don't do a ton of rolls and stuff, and we're not gonna get super into the combat.

We'll just kind of.

For the most part, we know what probably work and what won't.

We'll just kind of roll with that.

So with that, I'm gonna hit pause again.

We're going to completely bypass context, how we got here, any of that stuff, because, again, time and I just don't feel like doing that part of the story.

Your characters are just on the island of Mutuni.

Is that how I say that?

Mutuni.

Motonui.

Yeah, there we go.

Yeah.

Moana's Island.

You guys are on Moana's Island.

There are no humans there.

You'll notice some coconuts fall, and when they break open, they're dead.

There's a bunch of dead fish washing up.

All the palm trees appear to be dying.

Your character here.

Your characters hear a voice in their head, spirit, whatever may be, that basically just explains, this world is dying.

You need to find the hook of Moa of Maui and return the heart of Te Fiti.

So you're just given your mission from Unknown Voice, presumably a GM of some sort, playing the strings of the universe.

And yeah, your characters are together.

You're on this island.

There's a few rafts that are all about the same.

That's where we're at.

All right.

Appa is trying to find some, like, non rotten coconuts.

He's just headbutting trees.

Yeah.

I feel like that's gonna be Appa's biggest struggle is, like, there's not gonna be a lot of food and Apple likes to eat.

Yeah.

I would think that this is kind of where they all start to kind of clash.

As far as who's gonna be taking.

I was gonna say, do we want to say they already know each other, or are they just, like, introducing themselves here?

See, that's why I don't like doing these.

We just.

Yeah, you do.

Yeah, they know each other.

Okay, cool.

I could go either way, you know?

All right.

Take it from here.

Sorry.

Oh, I was just saying I think they're all just gonna start kind of clashing a little bit.

Even if they do know each other, they're in this strange environment.

So I think everyone's gonna kind of start kind of trying to take the lead and everything like that.

Of course, Deborah's gonna try to step in, and we need to do this and very, you know, like, straightforward.

But of course, Shuri is going to be running to the rafts and be like, we need to get everything figured out here.

And she's going to be doing her technology thing and trying to construct things.

And Elphaba, I mean, she can fly.

She'll probably pull out her broomstick and kind of fly up in the air a little bit, but they're all going to be kind of clashing a little bit long.

John Silver is probably just going to be looking for things that he could possibly sell later or something.

But I think that's kind of the dynamic I probably would envision what would happen on this island first thing.

Yeah, there's some, like, remnants of the tribe, but nothing really of value.

No.

John.

John Silverwood, you know, with the voice, he would try and see if any of these rafts are particularly untrustworthy because the principles are the same.

If there's a big hole in it, it's not going to work.

So while he's doing that, then, sure, he would probably do a similar thing, I think.

Sure.

He would also be the only one that had a chance to know what Maui's hook is.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's fair.

I mean, the stars light up like they do in the movie, so you kind of like, you know where you're going.

But now what's the actual sign that they know that they need to get the hook and the heart of what it is?

Like, how do they know that this is their task?

Is there.

Are there any spinning around that we need to find?

Are there any.

What?

Are there any signs, like, scrolls or anything that say, like, oh, you need to find the hook, or, like, any.

Or is it just that everything's rotting and then we just kind of have this intuitive sense to do this.

Oh, you heard the voice in your head, slash spirit or whatever.

Okay, sorry, I missed that part.

Yeah, no, you're good.

But the voice did not explain what Maui's hook is, so.

Yeah, but the stars lit up, so you knew it's probably there.

There's a big hook in the sky.

Yeah.

Well, I think Shori might know.

Shori, big reader, one of the smartest characters in her little universe.

So I think Shuri probably knows and is able to lead them in the right direction and just has to convince the rest of them to listen to this voice.

Do you think she'd be successful in that?

I think there's a chance.

Shuri has seen moana and will tell John Silver that Tamatoa is out there somewhere and has just a massive pile of treasure.

And that'll get him on board and then he'll get everyone else on board.

He is extremely charismatic.

Yeah.

And I think since, you know, you're on an island close to the sea, of course, Long John Silver is going to be like, give me a ship and I will guide us there and everything.

So he'll probably be very, very headstrong as far as trying to take the lead on this, since we're on a shore and water and all this.

All right, cool.

So you take the ship.

Given the particular group that you have, I can't reasonably give an excuse why you would have a hard time getting to an island with this group.

You get there and you find Maui's hook.

It's, you know, glowing or something.

There is no other sign of life here, though.

Just the hook is there?

Well, John Silver will grab that with his cyborg hand at least.

Sweet.

All right.

That same voice from earlier is telling you to follow the hook.

The hook is seemingly to pull in a certain direction.

The voice is also going to tell you that the hook is taking you to Tamatoa.

All right, well, he's in.

He's totally involved.

So they get back on their raft and Appa and maybe Elphaba, overhead, they follow the hook.

The Kamakoa, Kamakura, Kakarot, Kakamura.

Yeah, I can't use words Kakamora show up to try and steal the hook from you.

Except for they are now infused with some kind of dark power.

Just because said they would have been too easy if they were just the normal Kakamoras.

So I just needed them to be stronger for.

Insert reason here.

Yeah.

So buffed up Kakamora.

Yeah, Whole horde are attacking you guys.

Trying to steal the hook.

All right.

I think the easiest and maybe answer that they would all actually pick, sure, he will fight a couple of them off, but just to buy time for Deborah and John to get on Appa and just fly away.

So we're gonna just ditch the.

Ditch the raft here.

Might be ditching the raft here, but they could also take the raft with them.

I would think that Elphaba would be very snarky and say something like, what would Batman do?

And then just be like, we should be the opposite, because he's got a lot of issues.

But, you know, specifically so.

Yeah, I think.

I mean, we've got a lot of firepower, but of course, you know, these creatures aren't really like you know, they're not super powerful.

I mean, they work really well as a team altogether, as a community.

But, yeah, I would think maybe put some sort of maybe defensive barrier up or something with Elphaba and then, I don't know.

Do you think we really need to ditch the raft, though?

Honestly, no.

But I think fighting them won't benefit us as much as it will just hurt them for no reason.

But this team absolutely could just get rid of them all.

Shuri is the Black Panther.

John Silver is a cyborg, experienced sword fighter.

Deborah is a military leader.

Appa is an airbender.

Alphabet does magic.

I really think they would have no problem just wiping the floor with Kakamora, heartless or not.

Yeah, I agree.

It's like, you know, I mean, it's not the same as, like, you know, seeing ant.

You don't want to squish it because you're a big person and small ant, what you ain't gonna do.

But they're a little bit more menacing than ants.

But it's kind of that same idea of, yeah, they're creatures and, yeah, they're doing their thing, but does it really make sense to really annihilate them just because they're showing a little aggression?

So Alva is going to use some magic to deflect their arrows or whatever, and you guys are just going to fly away?

Is Appa just going to pick up the raft and bring him with it, or are you leaving the raft?

I think Appa could fly us.

Unless we.

Unless you think we need that raft for later, tj Maybe.

So I don't really.

I don't really think we should need the raft because Alpha can fly and Alphabet can fly, and Alphabet can make everyone else fly.

You're not going to need the raft, but you can take it if you want.

Yeah.

Yeah, we don't need the raft.

Okay, cool.

So you guys do successfully escape.

You find the volcano, you're able to get in to, of course, where you're going to meet.

Man, my brain is not doing words today, Tamatoa.

The only problem is Tamatoa has no treasure.

There is no shiny.

So he greets you all.

Basically, you could tell he's just depressed and he's like, I didn't think I was gonna get any more food without anything to lure you here.

Doing Neo's little dance number.

Whatever he does before he decides to eat you, though, he stops and he hesitates.

He's like, I might not get another meal.

So he's going to reach to try to Eat you all.

Okay.

I would think Long John Silver immediately would think of a recipe he could cook with this crab.

And then the rest of the crew would be like, no, that's a bad idea.

And then he would say, like, maybe just, like, a claw or something.

But.

It's a lot of meat.

There's a lot of meat in that crap.

That would be good.

But, yeah, they're not just gonna roll over Elphaba.

You're not gonna let them eat you.

I assume.

It does magic.

I mean, you know, sure.

He's the Black Panther.

This is not just gonna.

Oh.

The last person he just got to eat was a teenage girl, and that didn't even work for him.

Yeah, he's just slowly trying to grab you all to eat.

He's not really that much into it either.

He's just like, I guess I should eat these while they're here.

Yeah, they're not gonna let that happen.

So what do they do?

I feel like they would break out in song.

This is where the musical comes in.

Elphaba would probably break out into one of her hits from the movies.

Tamatoa would probably join in, thinking, this is fun to play with this food.

These small little ants that I'm about to eat.

So they're breaking out in song.

Tamatoa is completely just enamored with this song with Elphaba, and they're just spinning around doing this thing.

It gives Anafshuri enough time to kind of sneak her on the back and use her technology to find a weakness of Tamatoa so that she can subdue Tamatoa and they can get out of here without actually murdering any creatures.

Tj, do you think that that's a good approach, or do you think we should do something different?

I think John Silver might try to bargain with Tamatoa and offer to help him get his treasure back in exchange for some of it.

I want to know what song Elphaba if you're.

If she's gonna do a song, too.

Boy, what songs are in that movie?

Or what are the movies?

What are the big ones she can do?

Defying Gravity, her and Tamatoa.

That'd be pretty funny.

That would be pretty funny.

Yeah.

Well, it's a really inspirational song.

So I feel like depending on what order you're doing things could either help or hurt.

John Silver's negotiating.

Yeah.

I think Tamatoa and Elphaba doing the two parts of Defying Gravity together would make him very amenable to John Silver's offer.

He would.

He's like I could do anything.

And he's really excited.

I want to hear John Silver's argument.

Or is Shuri going to try to subdue him?

Either way, I want to hear what happens.

I think we have options.

I think we have options as far as, like, Elphaba kind of subduing him psychologically, breaking down his narcissistic tendencies and kind of bringing out this kind of optimistic, kind of altruistic side of Tamatoa.

Or Shuri could find some weakness and.

And kind of wiggle her way in there or.

Yeah, John.

Long John Silver could.

Could, you know, just talk him out of it and convince him, like, you know, let's.

Let's work together.

You know, I give you this.

You give me that sort of thing.

Yeah.

I think Shuri will wait, and if negotiations break down, she'll bounce.

Okay, so Alphabet and him do define gravity.

It's wonderful.

It's beautiful.

We all loved it.

Appa helps Tamatoa fly so that he feels like he's more a part of the song.

Yes, of course.

And then afterward, Long John Silver begins negotiations.

So he's feeling like, oh, I could do anything, whatever.

He's excited.

Long John Silver.

What's he saying?

You know, I could help you get your treasure back.

Okay.

I feel like I can't.

I don't think I can do Tamatoa's voice at all.

So I'm just gonna talking normal for this part.

But he's like, okay, yeah, but you can do anything.

Of course.

And I need my treasure.

You know, I've actually.

I'm one of the few gods who've never given his blessing to any of you human.

I'm not quite that, but I'll accept it nonetheless.

Can I just throw a wrench in here?

Because I could totally see Long John Silver making negotiations and then behind the scenes, kind of like, kind of reaching down and grabbing some of, you know, if there's any, like, treasure or something that.

That Tamatoa kind of enjoys.

All the treasure's gone.

And.

And then, of course, Tamatoa realizes that he's doing this.

I know I'm, like, trying to solve the situation, but I'm just making it worse now.

But I could just see this happening.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, there's no treasure left.

Okay, then that won't be the issue then.

I should have left just a little bit just to cause that issue.

That sounds fun.

But, yeah, we have no treasure, so.

I do see that.

I do think God, Silver is definitely going to try and backstab him if he does get anything out of this?

Yeah, that's the goal.

Yeah.

Okay, so what's.

So he says.

Okay, so what do you have in mind?

Well, we don't know where it is.

Hopefully you do.

And the hook led us here.

So all I have to do tell you where to go when you bring me my money back.

My shiny.

Or you could come with us.

I need someone's help with the Lord.

Does Tamatoa ever leave his lair?

Is that a thing?

I don't know.

But we do need a new wrath though.

I mean, Tamatoa could be our raft.

Huh?

He doesn't leave in the movie.

But that's because in the movie that's where all his treasure is.

Does he in like mythological whatever.

Does he.

I mean, I don't know how much Polynesian folklore you think I know, but it's not that much.

Alright, I'm gonna do a persuasion roll for John Silver.

Then you're definitely gonna get Tamatoa's blessing.

He's gonna tell you where to go to get the treasure.

I'm not sure if he's gonna come with you or not.

I think that's a high ask.

Because Tamato doesn't like to leave his lair.

But John Silver's really persuasive.

He doesn't like to leave his lair because that's normally where his gold is.

When he's trying to get people to eat.

I'm gonna 12 or higher 20 sided dice and hook up.

Does that sound fair?

Okay, 10.

All right.

He's not going to come with you.

Valiant effort though, because that does.

That would be cool.

He does, however he knows who took his treasure.

It's the same man who took the heart of Te Fiti.

It was a Mr. Tony Stark who went to the land of Celebrimbor and Tamatoa.

Naturally, ships crash down here all the time.

I can fix one of these for you and send you to Mount Doom where they both are.

So we're choosing?

Yeah, so you could.

Sorry, I forgot I zoned out.

You of the ships he's offering you to fix, to send.

You can take the Black Pearl from Pirates of the Caribbean.

I forgot the name of the ship, but it's one of the Earthbender ships from Avatar.

You could take one of the longboats from Vinland Saga.

Or of course, going merry from One Piece.

So those are your options that Tamato was willing to fix up and send you into this other dimension where Mount Doom is with Celebrimbor and Tony Stark.

I think we have to take the Going Merry.

Yep.

I would assume that's the only choice, really.

I want to know why and I want to know how your characters came to the decision.

It's the only one with a cool figurehead.

Not only that, it grows its own food.

It has its own garden on board.

So Long John.

So, yeah, Appa just immediately jumped on that one, to be fair.

Yeah,.

Yeah, Valid.

All right.

Tamado is going to fix up the Going Mary.

And your team is sent off into an ocean in another land.

And of course, you're greeted by a bunch of sea monsters.

Because why wouldn't you be immediately greeted by a bunch of sea monsters?

Yeah, you know, I don't usually do enough fighting scenes, I feel like.

So we have to add some fighting.

Yeah.

The longest part of any role playing game.

Yeah, of course.

So, bunch of sea monsters.

You're on the Going Mary in a new land.

You can see Mount Doom in the distance.

Tomato kind of explain to you what it was, because that would just be easier.

So you have your heading, you're on a ship.

You have a few people comply.

Bunch of sea monsters.

Mount Doom's in the distance.

What do you do?

Deborah would probably jump in and say, like, hold your fire.

Like, we need to figure out something.

Like we did with Tamatoa.

Of course, being the leader, she would probably jump in, do that.

I feel like we need to give Deborah a little bit more.

I feel like we've been.

Wait, she's jumping out of the ship?

No, no, she probably wouldn't be jumping out of the ship, but she'd probably be like, leading the situation sort of thing.

Okay.

Yeah.

Shuri will probably, knowing what she knows about sea life, try and find a way to just repel them from the boat.

Elphaba, many options here could activate the cooped burst of the Going merry just by, you know, summoning some wind instead of soda.

Because they don't have soda.

Well, Going Mary never did.

Going Mary ever have that?

Yes.

Okay.

I thought that was only the sunny.

It wasn't.

It's not as strong as the Thousand Sunny, but Frankie definitely has it on there.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

I mean, yeah, you definitely have options.

I am curious.

Does Long John Silver still have the Maui's hook?

Why would he not?

Is he trying to do anything with it or is he just, like, holding it?

I don't think he's.

You know, he might try to integrate it into his arm, honestly.

Ooh, that's actually a good idea.

I don't know if he'll try to like, use it.

But he will definitely try to find out what it does.

Mm.

Yeah.

There's gotta be a reason it's so important.

Yeah.

I wanna say if there was ever like, more of a lull, I feel like Shuri or Elphaba could have probably told him there's magic in that.

I don't know if they would've turned to.

Yeah, I could see Appa, of course, using like air blasts, like, you know, flying up a hedge using airblast.

But as an animal to an animal, I feel like Appa would kind of try to initiate, at least try to initiate some sort of communication with the sea beast.

I mean, it depends on how aggressive the sea beasts are, but he might try to initiate some of that and other characters might.

Might be like, like just let it do his thing.

That's what I would kind of think, like, Appa might do.

No, they're way too aggressive.

They are seemingly mindlessly just attacking you.

All right.

And then if nothing else works, alphaba will just bubble the entire ship.

Well, you gave me a lot of options, but I wasn't sure if you were.

Are you just doing all of the options or like, like one?

I'm not sure.

We're playing out our options.

We're kind of seeing what we can do.

Deborah would probably make some comment like, I know a woman with a tent peg that I could probably send out in this.

But.

I think personally, I like the idea of using the burst and I think that Shuri probably examined the ship, understands the mechanisms well enough to go, hey, that wind bending animal or the magic user here could do this.

Like, I feel like y' all could figure that out and I think that would probably work.

Mm.

I still make you roll, but you didn't probably like to roll like a 5 or higher.

Yeah, magic might be the best here.

That's up to you guys.

You could also fight them.

Nope.

What do you think, tj?

I don't think we can fight them.

It'd be a little difficult.

All right, so is that what we're gonna do?

We're roll to see if.

What.

What's the going.

Mary's move called coup de burst.

Coup de burst.

All right, so Elphaba is going to try, and you have two tries because Appa could do it too.

But Alphabet is going to try to wind magic.

Coupe de verse.

Get the ship out of here.

It's an 8, which is in fact higher than a 5.

So succeed.

You're going to show up on the shores of Mount Doom to of course also Be greeted by the one and only Tony Stark.

But he's in a really special suit here.

Sure.

You'll notice that it's not his normal suit.

She knows Tony Stark.

Seemingly fueled by something.

Does she know what the Heart of Te Fiti looks like?

Enough that she'd be able to recognize it?

No.

Okay.

No, he's fueled by something that's more organic.

It's like an organic version of Tony's suit.

He is actively summoning life.

Like, he's just shooting into the water and creating the sea monsters and flying around, trying to rejuvenate this area.

It seems like everything he touches is growing new trees and etc.

In the distance, you will see next to Mount Doom, not a large tower.

But it's not the Tower of Sauron.

It's just a normal forgery forging area.

My brain's not working Forge.

Yeah, yeah, that.

That was a really hard word to come to.

Yeah, there is definitely a forge against the side near the top of Mount Doom.

Someone is doing some work in.

And you see Tony Stark in this suit just creating life, sea monsters, going around, creating trees on the island, etc.

Well, sure he knows him.

Sure he's gonna stop him, be like, hey, man, what's the deal?

Is she alone, just gonna walk up to him?

Is everybody else staying at the ship or everybody just.

Well, they're all gonna go, all right, but she's gonna be like, hey, guys, hang on.

I know him.

Okay, fair enough.

Yeah, she tried to negotiate with him and just like, yeah, understand what's going on and what she can do to kind of remedy the situation a little bit.

Yeah, okay.

So he's just continuing to create life.

She shows up, and he stops to speak to her, explaining as Shuri already may not know, actually, she left before this began to happen.

All of his universe, all life began to just die.

It's all fading away.

The trees are dying.

The world is ending.

He couldn't find a solution to it.

He, of course, knows about the multiverse, because he does.

And he found another universe that was having the same problem, this one.

And he found the great Celebrimbor, who's able to use a forge to create magical items.

And Tony's smart enough to kind of figure out.

He's like, I thought between the two of us, we could solve this issue.

So he and Celebrimbor actually found a way to a world where there is a single gem that just creates life.

So he's able to create a suit, and he's here to fix Celebrimbo's world, bring it back to life.

And then he's going to travel back to his own world to heal it.

They, of course, though, to do this, they needed a lot of equipment.

So he did take the Heart of Te Fiti.

As well as everything from Tamatoa's realm.

Partially because they needed material to make stuff out of.

And also partially because, man, that crab was just an asshole.

It would.

Yeah.

Yeah, it would.

And that would.

That's Celebrimbor saying that, not Tony.

No, that's all Tony.

No, that's exactly what Calibrimbor would say.

Calibrimore's up at the forge.

Y' all haven't met him yet.

But also when he met the crab.

Okay.

Yeah.

Truly.

Yeah.

He's like, what an asshole.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Tony doesn't seem like he's a malevolent force or like, you know, doing harm or whatnot.

Obviously, he's doing some good stuff.

Is he willing to team up with us and join our forces for briefly to.

Or is he busy with trying to recover this world?

I mean, it depends what you're telling him you're joining forces for.

It's to return the stuff that he took that he needs to create this.

Probably not because he wants to heal the world.

And letting some crap have his treasure back seems less important to him.

That is less important.

The real issue we have is that we need the Heart of Te Fiti.

Oh, he'll heal that world when he's done healing his own.

Okay, problem solved.

I could do it by myself.

Problem solved then.

Right?

I don't need.

I don't know what's he gonna do to get us?

I doubt it.

So your characters are just gonna chill here now or.

Yeah.

See what Calabrimbor is up to?

Maybe.

Yeah.

Probably venture up there.

All right.

Yeah.

He's just melding down the gold.

Creating more items to continue to enhance Tony's suit.

And he's seeing what's happening in his world.

It's actually.

We have more life than we did when we started.

Before Sauron ever took anything from this land.

This might be the perfect solution to all of our problems.

Yeah.

Sweet.

Yeah.

I don't know if any of your characters would have a problem with this other than John Silver.

Or, like, what are you doing with gold?

John Silver would definitely be looking.

Trying to find a way to steal some of the gold or steal some of the stuff in the forge for his own keepsakes or own stuff going on.

Yeah.

He might even Offer up the hook to Celebrimbor.

That's totally gonna backslide.

What is this anyway?

Probably unsheathed it from his arm.

Yeah.

You know, I'm saying Celebrimbor knows magic well enough that he's like, oh, I can infuse this better into your equipment and you can use it for its intended use.

It's a shape shifting item.

You can become any creature you want.

Oh, well, how about that?

Be just like morph.

Yes.

So is he just gonna let Calabrimbor do that?

I think I allow it.

Just for entertainment's sake.

Yeah.

Okay, that works.

He now has the Maui is just part of his equipment and he can just morph into stuff now.

Yeah.

Cool.

So y' all just want to call it then?

You want to do anything about this?

Your characters are fine with it.

I mean, I assume the universe we came from will be last.

We're going to do, you know, Middle Earth and then Earth 616 and then, you know, Mata Nui.

I will say I'm going to assume that some of your characters are slightly observant.

Every time he shoots into the water, it's sea monsters are what's being created.

You notice some of the trees that he's doing are also turning into ints, but angry evil ints that kind of seem like they're infused with darkness like the Kakamora were.

But Tony's just like, yeah, but it's life.

We could fix the other issues later.

So this is true utilitarianism that we're gonna have to kind of deal with.

See, I would think that Elphaba would be.

I mean, she's very distrustful of authority figures.

So already, I mean, I didn't mention.

None of us mentioned before, but she probably would have been really distrustful of Tony Stark or Caleb Brimbro.

And she'd probably be asking the question like, you know, like, guys, we should probably be asking, is this really good what they're doing?

And she would probably be the voice of kind of reason in this whole scenario.

Now, is there any life that is put in danger because of these Ents and these kind of aggressive creatures that he's creating?

Pretty much everything's dead.

So they're really just attacking each other, which is still life attacking life.

So we should probably do something about this.

Tj, what do you think?

Yeah.

TD issue is that our mission is not to save Middle Earth, save Mata Nui.

Yes.

And if we get the heart of Te Fiti back where it belongs, there's no reason to believe that it won't resume performing its job correctly.

So it restore order is what you're.

Saying to our mission?

Yes.

Yeah.

Now, of course, if Tony hears any of you say anything about returning the heart, he's going to get really angry.

He's not going to return it.

He could fix it himself.

Why would he give it back?

This is the most powerful suit he's ever had.

He could do so much good with it.

No, he couldn't.

Yeah, he doesn't believe that.

He believes he can do so much good with it.

We'll solve that back on Mata Nui.

So you're just gonna let this play out then?

And just go back to Mount Nui and wait on him?

Maybe.

So are we bringing any of that gold back to.

How much can.

How much can silver fit into his pockets?

I was gonna say.

I mean, he could turn into a whale and just swallow a bunch.

I suppose.

I mean, we could.

What he could do is put it.

All into bags and whatnot or containers, and then strap them onto Appa.

And Appa could lift him out.

Yeah, you just had to do it when Celebrimbor's not looking.

Yeah, which seems possible.

There's a lot going on here.

He's focused.

Yeah.

I don't have a coin on me to flip.

Do you have a coin on you?

Hey, Google, flip a coin.

Almost work.

Ah.

Mark has a coin.

I'm gonna give it a 50.

50 Chance of a celebrity notices because he is very.

Absolutely.

Do it.

Yeah.

Ready?

Heads, he notices.

Tails, he doesn't do it again.

Here, it's tails.

All right.

He doesn't notice.

Perfect.

All right.

So you're just going back to the Crab and leaving this dump?

Sure.

Yeah.

Cool.

All right.

Go right back to Tom Toa.

Now.

While we're on the way, Silver will, of course, skim a good bit of that gold off the top.

That's for him.

Yeah.

I mean, there's no way Tamatoa knows how much he was able to salvage.

Or not exactly.

I don't know Tamatoa.

I mean, from my impression that he knows exactly what he's got in his lair.

I mean, he's got an abundance of stuff, but he takes me as one of those characters that knows if something's missing.

I mean, he's definitely gonna be mad that you weren't able to return all of it.

He'll notice, but he won't know that that wasn't everything left.

Okay.

All right, so we're going back.

We're informing him he is Angry.

And he wants to send you back to kill Celebrimbor for ruining his shiny.

Not happening.

Now he's gonna be angry at you and want to attack you for not getting his gold back.

Okay, we leave.

He's not that fast.

That's true.

All right, so you're just gonna go back up into the original intended world?

Yeah, get on.

Are we.

Are we gonna go to man to not take.

Take off?

I was like, that's not right.

Taint car.

All right, are we going to take call or we just chill until we see Tony?

We have an epic battle.

Yeah, sure.

He knows what Tony is like.

And she's gonna have to come up with a plan to get Tony to give up that power.

What's her plan?

I don't know, dude.

That's why she's the Black Panther and I'm not.

I think Deborah would step in with her sword and hold it up to the heavens.

Be like, I'm gonna pray for this situation.

That's true.

Deborah would be doing a lot of praying during this whole scenario because, I.

Mean, if she prayed hard enough, God could smite, send a lightning bolt down and save the day.

Okay, all right, I'm gonna put a pin in that.

I like that.

I'm gonna come back to that in just a second.

So you guys will notice, Tony eventually comes back and of course, originally starts to fight Taka with his Heart of Te Fiti powered suit.

They're having a whole fight.

And I'm gonna do a prayer roll for Deborah.

I don't think I've ever done a prayer roll before.

So this is.

This is exciting.

You're wanting higher than 7, because again, she's a prayer warrior.

You know, I feel like God cares a lot about what she has to say.

Yeah, you know What?

Higher than 3, because the other character also is kind of that I'm thinking of got another eight, so either way, it would have worked.

Celebrimbor comes back on one of the Vinland saga.

Boats is the closest thing to something he was familiar with, and he feels convicted that that power was not mine to wield.

So he is now wanting to join your party to try to talk to Tony Stark.

And also, much like the Death Star, of course, he built in a weakness to the suit.

Yes.

We could stop him without hurting him.

Tony is good.

He doesn't know what he's doing.

We neither of us did.

We thought that we could solve this problem on our own.

But life is only God's in the end.

Or of course, you Know he's going to say illuvitar aerial luvatars.

It is not his to control.

Yeah, I mean, we're right here.

He fits in part of the.

All right, we got Celebrimbor on board.

Tony Stark is out fighting Taka.

We never established a reason why you wouldn't still have the going Mary, so I'm just going to assume you still have the going Mary, plus you have flying characters.

What are we doing from here?

Celebrant Warsh told you about a weakness to temporarily stop the suit, but he is mid flight fighting Teika, so you don't want him to suddenly stop in the middle of flight over a lava monster.

That's pretty much the same thing as killing him.

Yeah, I think, tj, I think we need to ask the question, do we want to destroy Te K or do we want to try to kind of do like what they did in the movie and just kind of like return the heart and make the mountain kind of become calm again and restore order?

So I think we need to kind of come to a conclusion as far as what we want to do with there.

Of course our characters will have arguments about this, but I think it comes down to what we want to do.

Yeah, I think all of the characters will agree with me.

And I'll say that, you know, Te Ka is Te Fiti, and she needs her heart back.

And each character, for one reason or the other will agree with that.

Even John Silver.

Yeah.

What's he gonna do against a giant lava monster?

Yeah, but he might want the heart.

Look what it can do.

Yeah, I could see.

I could see like the wind blowing all around, like hair going crazy, and Deborah saying something like, the greater good is not a license to sacrifice the innocent.

So, yeah, I think as her.

As a leader of the group, I think she would probably lead the group into that too.

I think I would probably agree with that assessment.

So, yeah, I think we'd probably have to return the heart, allow her to become Te Fiti.

All right, so how are we gonna get the heart?

Tony is in air fighting because I'm not creative enough.

The secret way to stop the suit temporarily is a tiny button on the bottom of his shoe.

Well, Appa, for what?

He doesn't get pressed when he's walking.

I don't know.

I have a bigger boat for this.

Yeah.

Oppa and Elphaba will go up there to give him a moment of respite, and Shuri will wave him down.

Mmm.

You think he'd stop mid fight for Shuri?

Yes, I would hope so.

I don't know, he's kind of.

He's a hound of a hothead kind of.

But.

But we are almost necessarily winning.

Yeah, okay.

You know, I'll give you that.

He's not winning.

He sees what he assumes still is teammates.

You guys have never confronted him in a negative way.

Yeah.

Okay, I give you that.

He comes down to speak to Shuri.

Yeah.

And before he lands, she just reaches under there and presses that button.

All right.

He is knocked out on the ground in a suit, unable to move because he's in the suit that's been incapacitated.

And you know, a little thing opens where you can just reach and get the heart if you want.

And he's yelling at you like, no, I have to stop it.

We have to heal the world, whatever, all of the worlds.

And Shuri says we are healing the worlds and grabs it and he yells bad words.

He does, he does.

But Shuri takes the heart and she throws it at Te Ka.

And of course, just imagine like, like a musical starting, like one of those celebrity things where you get like 50 celebrities celebrating singing some sort of, you know, we are the world sort of thing.

Tony is still down there screaming because he needs the heart so he could keep healing the world.

Says he's doing so much good.

Yeah, yep, yep, yeah.

Naturally, I think as the world begins to heal, after you heal the heart, Tony would start to see what he's done.

I'm gonna give Celebrimbor have a heart to heart with him.

Celebrimbor is gonna explain the world.

You thought you healed.

They're worse than ever now.

And Tony's.

Well, we need the heart back if we're gonna fix it.

We can create the suit again.

We could do a Celebrimbor gonna talk him down to.

No, I've been through this again.

I think we have to find another way.

And those two are gonna go off to the sunrise for maybe another adventure on Geeks on the Roll some other day.

Yeah, yeah.

Celebrimbor and Tony Stark who just became buddies.

It's fine.

Totally normal.

Yeah.

Alright, so the rest of you are here.

The world's beginning to heal.

Any final notes or thoughts of what your.

Your team's doing as they go on their way from here?

Hard to say what, you know.

Sure.

For her this is not really that big of a deal.

For Appa, this also is not really that big of a deal.

He just wants to get back to where someone is gonna brush his hair and feed him A bunch of food.

Yeah.

He's probably happy the coconuts are growing back.

He's probably eating those.

Yeah.

John Silver is desperate to get back into the.

Into the air, the aether, space, as it were, because the real water.

So you don't think he's gonna go back to Tamatua and try and take that treasure back?

No.

Not worth it.

No.

He knows his limits.

He doesn't have a crew, so.

True, true, true.

All right.

See, I can see Appa following Long John Silver because I feel like the entire time and Long John Silver is the chef.

He's probably going to be making food this entire journey, and he's probably going to be slipping scraps to Appa the entire time.

So I assume when they disband, Appa is probably going to want to stick with Long John Silver because Long John Silver is going to be giving him copious amounts of delicious food that he's making all the time.

So that's what I would assume with the ending of this.

Yeah.

And air bisons, you know, they for life.

So, yeah, for whatever reason, he's not with anger or anybody.

He's probably like, all right, this is my guy now.

Yeah.

John Silver loves.

Loves a little buddy.

Yeah.

Or a big buddy animal sidekick.

Heck, yeah.

All right, any thoughts for Elphaba or any of the rest of them?

They're just going back to their home worlds.

Elphaba.

I'm also not sure.

She might be tempted to try and steal that heart for herself at some point, but hopefully not now.

Yeah, it would really depend on her motive.

I think if she wanted to use it for good or something, or if she was just really pissed off at somebody, she might do that.

Otherwise, she might just go into like, like seclusion.

She might just kind of find some little mountain town and just kind of bunker down too.

I am curious, though.

Curious, though.

Maybe seeing Tony and Celebrimbor's story arc in this, if maybe she would relate enough that she's like, I need to heal my world too.

Maybe she joins them.

Yeah, she might.

She might join him.

Are we thinking of a part 2?

She might track them down.

Next time on Geeks.

On her own.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

And then.

Yeah, I don't know what Deborah does here.

She's waiting on the Lord to send her back to her own time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's all I could think of.

Her and JL just kind of find like another army just to help out with.

Yeah.

All right, Good stuff.

Then.

I think I do want to briefly kind of Just talk about like some of the themes that we did see in it because we saw the utilitarian, I think, and we saw where it was like, do we even need to stop them?

So I thought that was interesting because, like, I like, to me, I like stories like that where like there's not like a clear bad guy and you're like, dwight, do I actually have to stop them even?

I like that kind of quandary.

But I'm curious, what did you guys think of that as far as like thinking of like the sanctity of life or can we create life?

Any of that stuff?

What stood out to you?

What are your thoughts?

You know, anything really.

Just a time, a moment of reflection.

That's all.

It is interesting just because Tony Stark and Celebrimbor are both characters that kind of have gone through this problem before where they suddenly have way too much power.

Celebrimbor being the forgers of the rings.

Tony going through however many things, extremists, cosmic Iron man, he's.

He's done it all.

So having them confronted here again on geeks on a roll together.

And it's an interesting concept that could be expanded upon probably in a longer format though.

Yeah, I like, I did not consider until like the very end there, like Alphabet does fit in with those two and just in a different way because I think what it is is I'm just more sympathetic towards her and what happened to her in her mission that like, you know, I don't like utilitarianism like at all.

When she starts to have that mindset at the end of Wicked, I'm like, nah, kind of get it, you know, with that with the other two, I'm like, no, they're bad.

Don't like them.

So it's interesting to me to add it was kind of eye opening of like, wait a minute.

There are also characters that I like that still kind of think like this sometimes.

Yeah.

And I think Elphaba could have a really interesting relationship with Shuri and Deborah just because they have the potential to remind her of Glinda.

Then depending on what point of the story this Elphaba is from, that could have been really bad for the party.

That's true.

Yeah.

And I think that she's probably the most powerful of this whole group.

So kind of keeping her wraps and keeping her happy through this whole thing probably be the best for everybody.

But yeah, it's an interesting.

With everything.

Yeah, that's happened to me.

Good reference to Treasure Planet.

Yeah,.

Funny.

All right then.

Well, I'M gonna go ahead and rate the team.

So you guys know the high score is 48.

So we're gonna go.

You have five different categories.

You get rated zero to 10, and then we'll go through the bonus points and see if you guys can beat the 48.

So hypothetically, you could beat it without the bonus points, because if you get a 10 out of 10 on all five, you know, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

Mission status.

So TJ's correct.

You were only told to heal the one world, But I kind of feel like, you know, like, when I'm at work and someone's like, I did my job, and it's like, yeah, I mean, technically, but you just barely only did what you were supposed to.

It didn't really seem like you cared that much of the mish, why you're.

Doing what you're doing.

But still, definitely successful.

The voice did not say, heal the other two worlds.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm gonna give it a six and a half out of ten for mission status.

You know, I like seven.

Okay.

Teamwork.

You know, it was one of those where, like, it was really tense the whole time.

Like, at any moment, I was like, John Silver could stab them all.

They were bickering back and forth a little bit at the beginning, but I don't think anybody ever didn't work with one another.

I'm gonna give it an.

I'm give that a 7.

2.

Yeah.

Maybe not at 11.

8.

Crank it up to 11.

Okay.

Sustainability.

This team's not sticking together, but I don't think they couldn't not stick together.

Like, I feel like they could make it work.

They're totally using Galaxy.

Yeah, I'm actually.

Especially if you think about how bad some of the other teams were on sustainability in the past for these games.

Like, if for some reason these.

This team was called back together, they wouldn't hesitate.

I think if one, for some reason, Alpha was like, hey, guys, I need you guys help healing this other planet.

Or Tony found this really good place for subs.

I think everybody's gonna go.

I don't think anybody wouldn't want to hang out.

Go get some shawarma.

You know, I think the big one for me is Appa and John Silver at the end really makes the sustainability thing higher.

And I'm.

I'm gonna give it an eight, too.

Yeah, you know what?

Nine.

Because everybody else's sustainability on other teams have been so bad.

Strength.

You have Elphaba.

That really, really heightens the whole thing.

But you know, we've had teams with Mothra, Superman on it.

You got three, like, super strong women on the team.

Yeah, but, like, compared to some of the other ones where we had, like, Superman or Mothra or like, God, Godzilla,.

John Silver escaped a black hole.

I'm giving strength a seven.

Fun.

John Silver, Appa.

Just them by themselves, like Oppa, just going around, eating on the going Mary.

John Silver just, you know, working with the other people to try and, like, swindle Tomatoa.

You had a musical number involved.

That musical number really, I think sold me.

I'm gonna give fun.

I'm giving a 10.

Like, I think you could have more fun in a team, but the musical number really bumps that up.

Okay, so he always is.

So before bonuses, you're at 43.

Let me make sure I'm counting that, right?

15 And 9.

24.

Okay.

Yep.

All right, so we're at 43.

Now let's go through the bonuses and see how that affects your score.

Because you can get negative and positive points with bonuses.

Now we got a shot.

As of right now, you can get.

No, no.

Christian started it a couple games ago, and I was like, ah, I like this.

All right, so minus two points if you killed Celebrimbo or Tony Stark or take Ha.

You could have got minus two for each.

So you might.

You could have got minus six, but you didn't kill any of them.

Minus four points if you fought Tamatoa, came close, but all you did was a musical number and talk to him.

He tried to fight you and you just kind of ran away.

So, you know, you're not losing any points for that.

My set of points, if anyone tried to keep the Heart of Te Fiti, which I really thought John Silver was going to, but you persuaded me that.

He probably totally should have.

So you didn't lose any points.

Bonus points to gain.

Plus two if you all made a meal together and shared it.

Mark at the very end mentioned that John Silver's probably cooking this whole time and giving scraps to Appa.

So, like, I'm gonna give you those two because you did mention that, so I have to assume it happened.

Plus three if you explore other island.

After returning the Heart of Te Fiti, you guys kind of went your separate way, so I'm not gonna give you that one.

Plus five if you try to convince Tony and Celebrimbor to return the heart.

You didn't have to convince Celebrimbor because you prayed.

So that's not your fault.

I'm gonna give you that five, because.

I kind of feel like at some point during this.

And then plus five points if you help restore Tony and celebimbor's world.

I'm torn on that because I came up with Elphaba going with them, but technically, that was your teammate, and I feel like it does make sense that she would do that.

That's for part two.

So I'm gonna give you that plus five anyway.

I'm giving you that plus five anyway, because she did go with them.

Even though you guys were gonna just let them.

Their planets get destroyed, and you didn't see what happened.

Alphabore.

Yeah, he'll destroy, you know, either way.

So that's plus 12 to 43.

That puts you at 55.

Which super is the new high score?

I told you guys we had two high score setters, so we should have known that the record was gonna get set today.

I knew we could do a dj.

Yeah, Mark and I usually win when we're together.

All right, so all that said, do you.

You want to negotiate any of those points?

Push back any final comments on how team reacted, theological concepts, the ethical quandaries, or are we ready to wrap it up?

What was our total?

Nope.

We won.

That's it.

55.

Can we go back and kill Taka, Tony, and Kylo Brimbor?

So we're just like,.

The record's not as high as last time.

No, no, you cannot go back and kill them.

Although if you did, though, you would also lose the point for helping Tony and Kilabimbor heal their world.

So, like, you're going back now.

Oh, like, after they healed the world.

Let's do it anyway.

Yeah, yeah, we changed our mind.

We're.

We're taking y' all out.

Yeah, we thought it'd be better if we got a 49, so, yeah, that.

Way we could set this record again later.

It's not as hard.

Would it be as big of a lead, you know?

Yeah.

All right, I think it is a good time to start wrapping this up then.

As always, we do like to do a bonus question.

So at the end of this, I'm gonna ask you guys, knowing what the campaign is, what characters would you might have changed or considered differently when you were picking characters if you knew ahead of time?

So we'll talk about that.

Some other character options that we could have went with after the episodes.

If you all want that, go over to the website or follow us on Spotify and just make sure you're official member, and you'll be able to listen to that for now, though, we do have to give a recommendation to our listeners.

This is hard.

You know, I've been rewatching Monk.

I'm gonna recommend Monk.

If you haven't seen it in a while, it's like, wow, TVs come a long way.

But also, Monk is just so much more relatable as an adult.

It's much funnier.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, tj, any recommendations for those out there listening?

Well, now that I'm thinking about tv, if you still haven't seen Breaking Bad, you should.

Other day, someone was trying to tell me that True Detective is better than Breaking Bad and almost got violent.

True Detective's fine.

True Detective is fine.

It's really good.

It's not Breaking Bad, though.

Do you remember you watching that all in, like, a week or two?

Yeah, it was intense.

Yeah.

Mark, any recommendations for those listening?

It's always Sunny in Philadelphia.

It just came out with a new season, so I would highly recommend that one because that show is fantastic.

Futurama also just dropped a new season.

I started watching that Lord of the Flies on Netflix.

Been on for a little bit, but got a couple episodes in.

It's pretty good so far.

I like the style, and I feel like it actually describes the relationship of kind of the, like, showcasing, like, society and the different kind of personalities within society.

I thought a little better than the original movie that came out.

It's been a while since I read the book, so I can't remember.

I can't speak exactly for the book, but I feel like the show is doing a good job of showing all the dynamics of everything.

Cool.

I. I did think it was going to be really funny to find out that you're one of those guys that's just really into Lord of the Flies and just reads it all the time.

That's what I thought was about to happen.

I'm like, huh?

You're not too far off.

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